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Sunday, March 10, 2013

The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, according to the General Social Survey. The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey. In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent. "There are all these claims that gun ownership is going through the roof," said Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "But I suspect the increase in gun sales has been limited mostly to current gun owners."

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If I get a survey in the mail asking how many guns I have, do you think I'm going to tell given these threats on my gun rights?

#1 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-10 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Phone rings. A stranger asks "Do you have any guns in your home?"
A steady decline in positive responses to that question, notably less in rural areas is considered a surprising statistic?
Really?

#2 | Posted by libertarian_gi at 2013-03-10 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades

Posted by rcade

RCade, in light of your above discovery, please call your Congressman & Lobbyist buddies and advise them to skip the gun stuff, and move on to next item on their list of citizens' "rights infringements"

thx in advance
working class America

#3 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-10 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

My rate of gun ownership would be increasing, if I could find anything locally.

I did hear that Izhmash is going to start manufacturing AR clones. Hopefully they can flood the market and replace the severly depleted inventories. It would be even better if they chambered them for a 7.62 round. So you could by the ammo very cheaply from eastern europe.

#4 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-10 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

If I get a survey in the mail asking how many guns I have, do you think I'm going to tell given these threats on my gun rights?

If you were going to lie on a survey, what would be the smart answer?

Telling them you don't own guns would help foster the idea that Americans don't think owning them is necessary.

As this link states, young people and Hispanics are the biggest groups whose gun ownership is low. So that's where the declining ownership trend is likely coming from, not people deciding to lie about owning guns.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-10 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The center's 2012 survey, conducted mostly in person but also by phone,"

LOL. Random person shows up to your door. "Excuse me sir, but perchance do you have an guns in there?"

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2013-03-10 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

The classes for concealed carry CCW are packed every week. Who are they trying to kid. I want to two gun shows yesterday the places were packed. People stood in line over a hour just to get in at a cost of $8.00 per person. At 9-AM there were thousands of people waiting.

#7 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-03-10 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Telling them you don't own guns would help foster the idea that Americans don't think owning them is necessary."

Why would it matter whether americans thought it were necessary or not? It's a constitutional right.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-10 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Telling them you don't own guns would help foster the idea that Americans don't think owning them is necessary.

#5 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2013-03-10 12:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG

And telling them I DO have guns allows yellow journalists to post scary spin about how gun ownership is at "epidemic" levels.

#9 | Posted by soheifox at 2013-03-10 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

These politicians keep trying to out talk each other .. Why were the tea party were for freedom,return to the days of the Constitution. Sounds good
doesn't it? Back in those days Thomas Jefferson owned sex slaves,we lost that right. Women were seen as property and had no rights and couldn't vote. So they want to return to that!

Then we hear people talk about Muslims, when they have more freedom then we do. They can have 7,8,10 wives we can't. But why not,why can't Americans have freedom of choice?

But it get worse,there are some politicians who want to ban our porn.

Don't let these politicians take away our freedom!

#10 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-03-10 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you were going to lie on a survey, what would be the smart answer?

Telling them you don't own guns would help foster the idea that Americans don't think owning them is necessary.

As this link states, young people and Hispanics are the biggest groups whose gun ownership is low. So that's where the declining ownership trend is likely coming from, not people deciding to lie about owning guns.

#5 | Posted by rcade

This is the worst survey ever. You don't actualy think gun owners are going to tell all, do you?

#11 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-10 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Truth, you need to ease up on your obsession with porn. You'll go blind.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2013-03-10 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states,

Is this all that surprising given the exodus of people from the anti-gun norther east and rust belt states? I'd be interested to see if the states with the most influx of people correlated with the largest decrease in homes with guns.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-10 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

young people and Hispanics are the biggest groups whose gun ownership is low. So that's where the declining ownership trend is likely coming from, not people deciding to lie about owning guns.

#5 | Posted by rcade

lol, is this the "journolista" topic of the month for manipulation of the masses?

ya may want to "front page" this unrelated (?) news clip... after editing, of course to fit the "narrative of the month"


Mile Long Line at 3/9 San Diego Gun Show - thousands give up after hours long wait and go home

domestic terrorists (?), every damn one of them!

there IS a drone base nearby too!

#14 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-10 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Seems to be a a bit of denial here based on nothing but anecdote.

Why does it matter if this is true? Last I checked the 2nd amendment doesn't apply only if a certain % of households own guns.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-10 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Last I checked the 2nd amendment doesn't apply only if a certain % of households own guns.

#15 | Posted by jpw

naturally you are correct, however that "transformation of America" for which the Libs yearn = MOB RULE

they just have cute little synonyms for it that sound "progressive" to the weak minded

#16 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-10 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

One more extreme leftist on the USSC and we're there, Moder8.

#18 | Posted by willowby at 2013-03-10 05:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research

Wow, I bet there's some non biased "research" there..

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-10 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Registered gun ownership down. I'm so surprised. No one in Chicago has a gun. Oh don't forget Detroit!

#20 | Posted by Federalist at 2013-03-10 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Local gun shops here have almost entirely bare glass cases and no bullets in stock...none. The Obama administration buying up all the bullets is working well.

#21 | Posted by KBM at 2013-03-10 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought the current NRA rational was that gun ownership prevented crime?
Which only makes any sense if people know you have a gun.

With that said ----- wouldn't you then want to tell everyone you have.a gun?

Something doesn't add up. The same people are saying two entirely different things about the same subject.

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2013-03-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES
Everyone has the right have a gun if they want. What part of that do you not understand?

#23 | Posted by Federalist at 2013-03-10 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

With that said ----- wouldn't you then want to tell everyone you have.a gun?

Something doesn't add up. The same people are saying two entirely different things about the same subject.

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2013-03-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

If some stranger shows up on your door step inquiring about your firearms why would you tell them anything at all?

If you really want an education on the subject and aren't just trolling, go to a CHL class and ask why it's Concealed instead of Open Carry. You will find the answer to your question there.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2013-03-10 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

The same folks that already own guns are buying more and more.
No surprise and totally expected.
Also bears what I see around me with people I know building up their inventories.
Lots of crazy talk.

Here's a hint: the NRA doesn't represent you, it represents the gun manufacturers and you're being played. Brilliantly.

A growing proportion of America is quietly say no to guns.

As to how people would respond when asked and that being some sort of "evidence" (in absence) of anything, one would probably be safe in assuming the same percentage that chose to lie would be consistent. In other words, within the qualified variables of the polling over decades.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2013-03-10 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Here's a hint: the NRA doesn't represent you, it represents the gun manufacturers and you're being played. Brilliantly."

The NRA does represent me, because we both have a common goal. Being able to walk into a store and be able to buy firearms and ammunition. You'll have to explain to me how me getting what I want is me getting played.

"A growing proportion of America is quietly say no to guns."

Not really. In fact it's prety much the opposite of that. Diane Frankenstien's weapons ban legislation knocked those who were on the fence about getting a gun off, resulting in a huge uptick of gun sales to first time gun buyers, which led to record gun sales.

And let's face it, Obama has done more for gun manufacturers than the NRA ever could. I'd love to be able to get into fireamrs sales right now. Buy used surplus armament from overseas and sell it in the US. One could make a lot of money.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-10 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

So it really is not the guns that's the problem, its the people.

More people, with less guns , but more violence.

You got to admit the left is way out.......in front on this.

#27 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2013-03-10 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes gun ownership is down as much as mankind causes global warming. There is always someone who will 'print' what you want to hear/believe.

The articles give the libs what they want to hear and they scream - hallelujah!

#28 | Posted by MSgt at 2013-03-11 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

**** FUNNY Isn't It...that just when the "Rate of Gun Ownership is Down" ..the Rate of "Gun Control" PROPAGANDA is breaking all bounds!

#29 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2013-03-11 02:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Phone rings. A stranger asks "Do you have any guns in your home?"
A steady decline in positive responses to that question, notably less in rural areas is considered a surprising statistic?
Really?"
"If I get a survey in the mail asking how many guns I have, do you think I'm going to tell given these threats on my gun rights?"

This doesn't make sense. How can gun ownership be a deterrent to crime if no one knows you have a gun?
In order for it to "deter" anything, there has to be a retaliatory threat (aka I have a gun).
To claim it deters something when the deterrent is kept a secret is completely asinine and nonsensical

#30 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2013-03-11 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

To claim it deters something when the deterrent is kept a secret is completely asinine and nonsensical

{Rolling eyes} My gun will not be a secret when I'm threatened and it will deter them.

A survey is a different thing. Why do I even try?

#31 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-11 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"My gun will not be a secret when I'm threatened and it will deter them"

That makes about as much sense as a country developing a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to invasion ---- but then keeps it all a secret until they are invaded.

You should stop fondling your gun and pick up a dictionary

#32 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2013-03-11 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33

Hey, when my wife is feeling a little frisky, she dabs a little gun oil behind each ear. Drives me wild. ;)

#34 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-11 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

For those that believe there is "no threat" to gun ownership, you are fools. Wake up and read the news and what is going on these days. Gwad.

www.caintv.com

#35 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-11 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sames, they are just projecting their own psychosis to others.
They fear what life would be like if they had a gun and therefore, they think everyone else would react the same as them. Of course, this is just my personal opinion.

#36 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-11 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"For those that believe there is "no threat" to gun ownership"

Simple question.

If a government official or other imaginary horde asks for your firearms ----- are you going to hand them over without question?

#37 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2013-03-11 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

If a government official or other imaginary horde asks for your firearms ----- are you going to hand them over without question?


Guns? What guns? Those nasty evil things are dangerous. Why would I have a gun? I've heard stories.

#38 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-11 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

"www.caintv.com"

YAY! Herman "999" Cain is BACK! Now I don't have to wait for his appearances on Comedy Central!

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2013-03-11 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gallup an others show the evidence is the other way around. Also anyone who can clearly see the background check Is the highest it has ever been and has gone up every month. Also waiting time or guns to be built is over a year, clear evidence points to this being a BS report.

www.gallup.com

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

The new result comes from Gallup's Oct. 6-9 Crime poll, which also finds public support for personal gun rights at a high-water mark. Given this, the latest increase in self-reported gun ownership could reflect a change in Americans' comfort with publicly stating that they have a gun as much as it reflects a real uptick in gun ownership.

Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) are more likely than Democrats (including Democratic leaners) to say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%. While sizable, this partisan gap is narrower than that seen in recent years, as Democrats' self-reported gun ownership spiked to 40% this year.

Bottom Line

A clear societal change took place regarding gun ownership in the early 1990s, when the percentage of Americans saying there was a gun in their home or on their property dropped from the low to mid-50s into the low to mid-40s and remained at that level for the next 15 years. Whether this reflected a true decline in gun ownership or a cultural shift in Americans' willingness to say they had guns is unclear. However, the new data suggest that attitudes may again be changing. At 47%, reported gun ownership is the highest it has been in nearly two decades -- a finding that may be related to Americans' dampened support for gun-control laws. However, to ensure that this year's increase reflects a meaningful rebound in reported gun ownership, it will be important to see whether the uptick continues in future polling.

#40 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-11 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Washington (CNN) - The FBI performed nearly 2.8 million background checks on people wanting to buy guns in December, a record month that capped a record year.

The numbers from the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System on Wednesday did not show how many firearms buyers actually took home from federally licensed gun stores. Some purchasers may have bought more than one weapon.

Data also showed the FBI generally is asked to run more checks in November and December, the holiday shopping months.

The FBI performed more than 2.78 million checks in the final month of the year. That followed a record November. For 2012, the agency ran more than 19.5 million background checks, another record that represented a year-over-year increase of more than three million.

Under federal law, sales staff at stores licensed by the government to sell firearms are required to call the FBI or another approved agency to make sure the buyer does not have a criminal record or a history of serious mental illness, which would legally prohibit the sale.

www.cnn.com

#41 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-11 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.cnn.com

Washington (CNN) - As President Obama continues to push for new gun control measures, new FBI data shows that January was the second-highest month on record for gun background checks.

FBI figures posted Tuesday show there were 2,495,400 background checks done through the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, known as NICS. The number was more than 1 million higher than any previous January.

The data does not indicate exactly how many weapons might have been purchased, as some customers buy more than one gun at a time.

December was the top record-setting month, with 2,783,765 background checks.

The FBI makes the data available on its website without comment. The figures typically show high numbers of background checks during the holiday shopping months of November and December, and the background check numbers usually decline in January. There also is often a spike in checks after a dramatic incident of gun violence.

The NICS system was launched in November 1998 after being mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993.

#42 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-11 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.yourhoustonnews.com

#43 | Posted by aescal at 2013-03-11 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought the current NRA rational was that gun ownership prevented crime?
Which only makes any sense if people know you have a gun.

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

Are you for real?

#44 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-11 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you for real?

It's never too late to begin studying philosophy, Sniper. I suggest reading an abridged version of Plato's Republic. Or drop by a used bookstore and buy a used copy of an Introductory Philosophy course. I found the complete works of Nietzsche in one volume for a buck that way.

#45 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-03-11 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

If a government official or other imaginary horde asks for your firearms ----- are you going to hand them over without question?

What guns?

#46 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-12 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

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