Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, March 09, 2013

For nearly 100 years, daylight saving time has been a pox on American sanity. It's time for its long, dumb history to end. Enough with changing our clocks (car, watch, bedside, kitchen); enough with the cutesy mnemonic devices ("spring forward -- or backward?"); and enough with remembering things period ("is it this Saturday?"). Daylight saving time has been tried and tested all over the world for different reasons by many generations, and the only solid, incontrovertible fact to glean from this grand temporal experiment is that it's a pain in the ass.

Advertisement

Menu

Advertisement

Subscriptions

Author Info

nullifidian

 

Advertisement

MORE STORIES

 

Advertisement

More

If the science behind DST's supposed energy-saving powers is so inconclusive, why does this irritating pastime persist? Good question ...

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Personal attacks, profanity, abusive conduct and expressions of prejudice are not allowed. If you have comments about site moderation, contact the site publisher in email.

"Despite the annoyance of changing clocks and losing sleep (which always seems to coincide with the onset of a cold or a hangover, doesn't it?), DST persists, presumably because of the strong economic or scientific arguments in its favor. Except there aren't any."

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wouldn't it be easier for hours of business to change rather than changing the clocks? If everybody went to work an hour earlier than in the fall and winter?

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-09 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Daylight savings time should be year round. Who does not like daylight after work?

#3 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2013-03-09 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Most normal people don't have a problem with DST.

The only people that I generally see whining about it are crackpot libertarians.

.

#4 | Posted by Dave at 2013-03-09 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Daylight savings time should be year round. Who does not like daylight after work?"

Hell, why not set the clock 5 hours ahead of time so you can have sunshine at midnight? If you want to screw up your natural body rhythms you might as well go all in.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Daylight savings time should be year round."

Jimmy Carter tried that...some school kids waiting in the dark for the bus got hit by a car. That put a stop to it.

.

#6 | Posted by Dave at 2013-03-09 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

One of the reasons I loved Arizona. No DST. DST is stupid.

#7 | Posted by rearendhat at 2013-03-09 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...some school kids waiting in the dark for the bus got hit by a car. That put a stop to it."

I hope that's not true, because it's a stupid reason.

Not that I'm a fan of DST.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-09 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Personally, I like the additional hour of daylight. I hate the springing forward bit, but after about two or three days, my body clock adjusts accordingly.

#9 | Posted by Republican4ever at 2013-03-09 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

One of the reasons I loved Arizona. No DST. DST is stupid.

#7 | Posted by rearendhat

We still have to deal with it when we interact with the rest of the states.

Old Indian say; White man stupid. He think he xcan cut a foot off the bottom of his blanket and sew it on the other end and have longer blanket.

#10 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-09 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wouldn't it be easier for hours of business to change rather than changing the clocks? If everybody went to work an hour earlier than in the fall and winter?

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celin

yes except that it would go the route of staying open on christmas day....the guy down the block opens, then you better too...unless its something run by union crooks..

#11 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-09 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

the example of the kid at the bus stop getting hurt is correct..

#12 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-09 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

and blame ben franklin....

its for rural places to have more time for harvest...the rest of us just need to deal with it....it's not like it's the worst thing

#13 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-09 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Somewhere in the world there is a jar that contains all of the daylight that was saved.

#14 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-09 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Old Indian say; White man stupid. He think he xcan cut a foot off the bottom of his blanket and sew it on the other end and have longer blanket.

Posted by Sniper

Great post, Sniper. That's exactly what DST is.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hell, why not set the clock 5 hours ahead of time

Time is arbitrary anyways. My neighbor a block away lives 1 hour later than me yet the sun rises a second later for him.

I personally loathe the idea of having the sun rise at 4 am in summer. Bring on daylight savings time.... I LOVE IT!

You don't like it? Move to Arizona. They are backwards in oh so many ways including this.

#16 | Posted by 726 at 2013-03-09 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Personally, I like the additional hour of daylight. I hate the springing forward bit, but after about two or three days, my body clock adjusts accordingly.

#9 | POSTED BY REPUBLICAN4EVER AT 2013-03-09 12:54 PM | FLAG:

For the week before the time change, I adjust my alarm 10 minutes every day either forward or backward. Today I got up at 5:45 and got to work at 6:30. By Monday it will be old hat.

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2013-03-09 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Somewhere in the world there is a jar that contains all of the daylight that was saved.

#14 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-09

nice.

#18 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-09 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

726...

really?? that seems a little excessive, obsessive and anal..lol

the hardest part is remembering how to reset the DAMN CLOCK in the truck...

#19 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-09 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

When I run for office, my campaign will be based on the idea of setting our clocks back 23 hours each spring. So 2AM Sunday becomes 3AM Saturday, giving all of us a three day weekend. To make up for the lost time, we simply reduce March to 30 days, since it's a stupid month anyway.

#20 | Posted by clearthinker at 2013-03-09 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

We spend over half the year on Daylight Time.

Meaning we spend less than half the year on Standard Time.

That means Daylight Time is more "standard" than Standard Time.

We should abolish this nonsense. Let's just "spring forward" and never fall back again.

Businesses can adjust their hours of operations if necessary. There's like what, seven farmers left in America, we don't need to alter our schedules on their behalf.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-03-09 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Let's just "spring forward" and never fall back again."

Let's not. Let's abolish the whole stupid thing. Clocks should reflect natural cycles, not try to impose artificial ones.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

10 Reasons to Dump Daylight Saving Time

trueslant.com

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

No daylight savings time in Arizona. Twice a year we have to adjust to the rest of you retards.

#22 | Posted by justanoversight at

we're retards?

Hey we have to remember to set it back or we're late OR EARLY the next morning to my 5k workout after weight training....or is it an hour more to get over my hangover...I cant remember..

#25 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-09 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Daylight Saving Time Disrupts Humans' Natural Circadian Rhythm

Oct. 25, 2007 -- When people living in many parts of the world move their clocks forward one hour in the spring in observance of daylight saving time (DST), their bodies' internal, daily rhythms don't adjust with them, reports a new study.* The finding suggests that this regular time change--practiced by a quarter of the human population--represents a significant seasonal disruption, raising the possibility that DST may have unintended effects on other aspects of human physiology, according to the researchers.

In other words, DST sucks, and is just another pathology of Western civilization, armed with the religion of science, which seeks total control of nature.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't really care where the sun is at exactly 12 noon. I don't think it matters a whole lot. Just pick one way and leave it!

#27 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2013-03-09 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

" since it's a stupid month anyway."

Best post of the thread! (Okay, the blanket crack was pretty good, so maybe Clear is standing on the shoulders of a giant.)

#28 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-09 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Check please!
Oh, and can I get a round of Thorazine and a Straight Jacket to go for this guy...

Posted by nullifidian
In other words, DST sucks, and is just another pathology of Western civilization, armed with the religion of science, which seeks total control of nature.

#29 | Posted by BGMacaw at 2013-03-09 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29 | Posted by BGMacaw

The future will not be kind to your descendents. Mother nature always has the last word.

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

its for rural places to have more time for harvest...

#13 | Posted by afkabl2

I will call BS on that one. In centeral MT they are out combining way after dark. They go until the moisture content gets too high. I have seen them start at 10 in the morning and go until midnight.

Farmers have lights on their equipment and they light up the night.

#31 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-09 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

In other words, DST sucks, and is just another pathology of Western civilization, armed with the religion of science, which seeks total control of nature.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do you have to say about flying? A hell of a lot more people per year are affected by jet lag.
It seems to me you are a chronic crybaby,a pessimist that looks for the downside of every possible issue.
Go live on Walden Pond if civilization is so troubling for you. Just make sure you can either support yourself or have someone else do it for you.

rwd

#32 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-03-09 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Personally, switch to DST and stay on it...

#33 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2013-03-09 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only people who benefit from these time changes are clock repair people....in the fall, when we try to turn back our clocks and break them. The highest incidence of auto accidents is on the Monday morning after springing forward.....people are functioning on less sleep, and the natural morning light pattern has changed due to the time shift.

#34 | Posted by SweetBippy at 2013-03-09 08:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clocks are one of the nastiest technologies ever invented, a device of mass enslavement. Capitalists loved them.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-09 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do you have to say about flying? A hell of a lot more people per year are affected by jet lag.
#32 | Posted by rightwingdon

Jet lag causes actual physical damage to the brain.

DST stinks it takes a few days for your body to adjust until then you are more prone to accidents, I wonder how many people have died in car wrecks and accidents at work and other such things, because there body have not quite adjusted to DST.
it is a stupid masochistic and dangerous BS we pull on are selves.
It is just plain stupid for no real reason

#36 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-09 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-09 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know where to start so I'll just say b/s to all that.

DST is like setting your alarm clock to get up an hour earlier everyday for a week to be at meetings.

You just go to bed an hour earlier.

If someone doesn't know how to overcome jetlag they are just plain weak.

rwd

#37 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-03-09 11:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

From Science Daily

The Monday and Tuesday after moving the clocks ahead one hour in March is associated with a 10 percent increase in the risk of having a heart attack," says UAB Associate Professor Martin Young, Ph.D., in the Division of Cardiovascular Disease. "The opposite is true when falling back in October. This risk decreases by about 10 percent."

Exactly why this happens is not known but there are several theories," Young says. "Sleep deprivation, the body's circadian clock and immune responses all can come into play when considering reasons that changing the time by an hour can be detrimental to someone's health."

"Every cell in the body has its own clock that allows it to anticipate when something is going to happen and prepare for it. When there is a shift in one's environment, such as springing forward, it takes a while for the cells to readjust. It's comparable to knowing that you have a meeting at 2 p.m. and having time to prepare your presentation instead of being told at the last minute and not being able to prepare. The internal clocks in each cell can prepare it for stress or a stimulus. When time moves forward, cell clocks are anticipating another hour to sleep that they won't get, and the negative impact of the stress worsens; it has a much more detrimental effect on the body."

Immune function

"Immune cells have a clock, and the immune response depends greatly on the time of day. In animal studies, when a mouse is given a sub-lethal dose of LPS, an endotoxin that elicits strong immune responses in animals, the mouse's survival depends upon the time of day they were given this endotoxin. Mice that were put through a phased advance much like Daylight Savings Time, and then had a challenge to their immune system, died, whereas the control animals that were not subjected to a phased advance survive when given the same dose of LPS, showing how an acute time change can be detrimental to the immune system response."

Luckily, the body's clock eventually synchs with the environment,

www.sciencedaily.com

#38 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-10 06:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

From The New England Journal Of Medicine

On car accidents

" the spring shift to daylight savings time, and the concomitant loss of one hour of sleep, resulted in an average increase in traffic accidents of approximately 8 percent.

www.nejm.org

#39 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-10 06:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

From BBC

Jetlag 'shrinks the brain'

Frequent flyers who repeatedly suffer jetlag could be permanently affecting their brain power, claim researchers.

The study, published in the journal Nature Neuroscience, examined the brains of aircrew, but suggests that any worker who swaps from night to day shifts over a short period may be at risk.
et lag happens when a traveller passes over a number of time zones and disrupts the normal "circadian" rhythms which help humans wake up in the morning and go to sleep at night.
Dr Kwangwook Cho of the University of Bristol conducted a small study of 20 women, aged between 22 and 28, who had worked for at least five years for an airline, and regularly flew across at least seven time zones.

Half of the women, however, had on average least a fortnight to recover from their jetlag - the rest had only a week.

Women were chosen for the test because, in general, they suffer far worse jetlag than their male counterparts.

Memory tests

Dr Cho not only scanned their brains to look at their physical characteristics, but also measured their performance in memory and understanding tests.

He found that the aircrew given the shorter period to "turn around" after a jet-lagging flight had an area of the brain called the temporal lobe which was noticeably smaller than the others.
Dr Cho said: "I found there was no deficit of language, but certain short-term objective memory and very simple abstract cognition was quite bad."

news.bbc.co.uk

#40 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-10 06:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Good stuff, Punchy. I wonder why these so-called "limited government" types want Big Government to change our clocks for not a single good reason they can articulate.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Agriculture is King, even though our largest dollar export is Boeing Airplanes. Daylight Savings times helps farmers get their work done, mostly by changing the hours of their suppliers. That's why we have it. Another benefit is night skiing becomes more pleasant when it stays lighter longer.

#42 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-10 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Another benefit is night skiing becomes more pleasant when it stays lighter longer."

Yeah, well skiers can just use a flashlight if it's not bright enough.

Stop Big Government from changing our clocks to benefit skiers!

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ruers of a change to an arbitrarily assigned point on a clock when certain celestial conditions are met need to get a life.

It's just a number. Deal with it. You still have the same amount of daylight whether it's called 6:00, 7:00, 51:00 or oyster:00.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

When I have so little on my mind that I can take time out to worry about DST I fear I will probably be dead.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-10 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You still have the same amount of daylight whether it's called 6:00, 7:00, 51:00 or oyster:00. "

That's dumb. The amount of daylight is not the issue.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

#45 NW flag

#46 The amount of daylight is not the issue.

For those who are slaves of the clock, this appears to be true.

My life is commanded by its natural diurnal rhythms, not the arbitrary positions of Mickey's hands as yours seems to be. If you can't deal with watching your LaVerne and Shirley reruns at 5:30 instead of 4:30, so be it.

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"My life is commanded by its natural diurnal rhythms,"

Tell it to your employer. I'm sure he'll accommodate your own personal clock.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

When I have so little on my mind that I can take time out to worry about DST I fear I will probably be dead.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-10 10:18 AM | Reply

#45 NW flag

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 10:50 AM | Reply

The phrase "when I have so little on my mind" and the word "dead" have a certain sense of "poetic justice".

#49 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-10 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tell it to your employer. I'm sure he'll accommodate your own personal clock.

Doubtful. Through a mutually agreeable contract, he rewards me handsomely to go by his. If he wants to give me 6 figures a year and other lucrative bennies to say it's 1900 and not 1800, (the 24 hour convention is another change I deal with for my employer that I'm sure you'd see as objectionable and a form of enslavement since certain arbitrary nomenclatures seem to distress you) I'm game.

During the slices of time that I have not sold to someone else, I am slave to no one nor anything -- certainly not a time measuring device.

#50 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

During the slices of time that I have not sold to someone else, I am slave to no one nor anything -- certainly not a time measuring device

To clarify: I am not "enslaved" as you cynically put it, nullifidian. Enslavement, by definition, implies no reciprocation or rewards. I am rewarded handsomely for the time I sell to my employer. To assume otherwise is (using one of your favorite words) dumb.

#51 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

According to the feds, it is now 4:30 pm on the Best Coast. But yesterday at this relation to the sun, it was 3:30 pm. Amazing. Now you know why it's called Big Government. They can operate the sun.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now you know why it's called Big Government. They can operate the sun.

???

You think the government changed the position of the sun and not the device that arbitrarily tracks its movement?

Wow, you're dumb. With people who think like that, no wonder California's in the crapper.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You think the government changed the position of the sun and not the device that arbitrarily tracks its movement?"

Yes.

#54 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nulli -- you DO realize, don't you, that there are only 24 lines of longitude where the time is exactly in agreement with the heavens: The Prime Meridian and the east and west lines of longitude that are exact multiples of 15. (15 degrees E & W, 30 degrees E & W, etc.) IOW, chances are you and > 99.99% of humanity are not at a point where the clock reads the exact time according to the sun, DST or not. Yet somehow mankind has perservered this atrocity. [...]

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-10 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goat, Does that mean Nulli orbits around us, not us around him ....thank the heavens.

#56 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2013-03-10 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goat, Does that mean Nulli orbits around us, not us around him ....thank the heavens.

#56 | Posted by MENSAKOOK

Getting the Mensakook endorsement ought to be a real coup for Goatman.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

According to the feds, it is now 4:30 pm on the Best Coast. But yesterday at this relation to the sun, it was 3:30 pm. Amazing. Now you know why it's called Big Government. They can operate the sun.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-10 07:35 PM

When you say 4:30 it should really be 3:30 but RCADE makes your post 7:30. So the government controls the sun,but RCADE sent you to the future.

#58 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-10 10:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

don't blame ben franklin; it was kind of a joke

#59 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-03-10 11:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apart from saving energy, DST allows me to play outside with my kids after work. Lack of daylight, especially in winter, is one of the DISADVANTAGES I am facing with my move from Europe.

Crisis

#60 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2013-03-11 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Advertisement

Post a comment

Comments are closed for this entry.

Drudge Retort

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Nooner | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2013 World Readable

 

Advertisement