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Saturday, March 09, 2013

Peter Van Buren, a former State Department foreign service officer in Iraq: I stood at Ground Zero of what was intended to be the new centerpiece for a Pax Americana in the Greater Middle East. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the invasion of Iraq turned out to be a joke. Not for the Iraqis, of course, and not for American soldiers, and not the ha-ha sort of joke either. And here's the saddest truth of all: on March 20th as we mark the 10th anniversary of the invasion from hell, we still don't get it. ... [B]y invading Iraq, the U.S. did more to destabilize the Middle East than we could possibly have imagined at the time. And we -- and so many others -- will pay the price for it for a long, long time.

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Worst Foreign Policy Decision in American History-Thanks W

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Here's a song, whose simple lyrics help portray some of the deep hurt, pain, and loss the Bush Administration's trumped-up war in Iraq caused so many Americans who lost a family member or friend in the military.

I Drive Your Truck
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#1 | Posted by CalifChris at 2013-03-08 08:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

The worst foreign policy decision in US history has to be the Fourteen Points of Woodrow Wilson. It both righted the wrongs of the 30 Years War (as far as that bigoted boob saw history) it also made the world safe for Hitler.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-08 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Okay, Rcade. Is it time to enforce your "expressions of prejudice" ban or are you just blowing air like most liberals?

#4 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-08 11:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Worst foreign policy decision. Worst economy. Worst terrorist attack. I'll say this for Dumya, he was the perfect representative for the dullards that voted for him.

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2013-03-08 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll say this for Dumya, he was the perfect representative for the dullards that voted for him.

sadly even they were a minority...oh well. lots of disabled vets and iraqi refugees will be here to tell the story...not that anyone will listen

#6 | Posted by badgerwest at 2013-03-08 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by badgerwest a

Wilson was a fan of the KKK they hated Catholics to, I wonder do you also agree with them?

#7 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-09 02:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see someone needs a wahburger.

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2013-03-09 06:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

he was the perfect representative for the dullards that voted for him.

Although of the 59,000,000 people who voted for him in 2004, you will be lucky to find a dozen that will take ownership of that.

He was the perfect patsy for the 1% to push their narrow and destructive view.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2013-03-09 06:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

YOU DECIDE.

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#10 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2013-03-09 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Woodrow Wilson has nothing to do with this topic.

Aply & DW are delusional and making facts up in order to quell internal dissonance. Its the kind of dissonance that has resulted in the highest suicide rates ever for returning veterans. We lost the war under Shrub. The terms of peace were negotiated under the Bush administration which the Obama administration honored. Rebuilding something you just blew up may be better than just leaving it blown up, as is done to the Palestinians, but its not as good as not blowing it up in the first place. The invasion was sold as a humanitarian crusade, but was actually induced by panic when Hussein announced he would sell oil in Euros. There is nothing humanitarian about war, even though individuals are always free to act that way. Grotesque birth defects continue to plague the Iraqi population, which has lost all the important people that could afford to run away or were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Saddam Hussein was a monster of our own creation. Our Government doesn't care how monstrous a leader is, as long as they do things our way. Our military forces are a scourge on the planet and have a greater effect on our deficits than welfare, though less than a third of the bailout.

But all this is now Iraq's problems. The greatest damage to US and Israeli interests, caused by that foolish war, is the alliance which has emerged between Iran and Iraq. The new Iraq leadership loves Iran and hates the US. Its a religious thing and easily predicted blowback from that lost war.

#11 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-09 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Woodrow Wilson has nothing to do with this topic."

Topics are just excuses to troll, change the subject, rant about being "persecuted", or just post drivel.

#12 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2013-03-09 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

[B]y invading Iraq, the U.S. did more to destabilize the Middle East than we could possibly have imagined at the time.

Bullship. Even Cheney knew (at least he did as SoD) what would unfold if Saddam was overthrown. As did Bush the Smarter. What happened in Iraq was as predictable as a KBM post.

www.representativepress.org

"Why We Didn't Remove Saddam" by George Bush [Sr.] and Brent Scowcroft, Time (2 March 1998):

While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.

#13 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-03-09 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Incidentally, Herbie helped Saddam put down that "popular revolt" once he realized the Iranian loving shia would take over. If only he had explained the difference between sunni and shia to Junior....

#14 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-03-09 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Woodrow Wilson has nothing to do with this topic'

The original thread title was about 'the worst foreign policy decision ever,' NC, which is why I offered Woodrow Wilson as worse.

#15 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-09 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

At the infamous School of the Americas, thousands of Latin American "special forces" were explicitly trained in torture techniques by US handlers. Many of those SOA graduates took their new training home to El Salvador, where they waged a war that killed an estimated 80,000 Salvadoran civilians. In Guatemala US-supported death squads murdered over 50,000 civilians suspected of holding sympathies with leftist rebels. The creation and patronage of locally trained militias to wreak havoc among subject populations in pursuit of American military objectives is a tactic that seems to have been adapted to the present day with great effect, most notably in Iraq.

A veteran of the US "dirty war" in El Salvador was reported to have been brought in to personally oversee Iraqi interrogation facilities. This program was condoned at the highest levels of the US military and utilized "all means of torture to make the detainee confess … using electricity, hanging him upside down, pulling out their nails". The alleged involvement of a senior participant of the American intervention in El Salvador is, indeed, particularly odious given the legacy of institutionalized torture and murder which characterized US military involvement in that country.

On a summer night 2008, armed paramilitaries broke into Hassan Mahsan's home in Baghdad's Sadr City district and put a gun to his young daughter's head. Demanding he reveal the location of a suspected insurgent, the men threatened to kill his daughter in front of the family before dragging Mahsan off for interrogation and telling his wife "he is finished". The paramilitaries were members of the Iraqi Special Operations Forces (ISOF), an elite counterterrorism force referred to as "the dirty brigade". Believed to be trained and guided by US military advisers at every level of its organizational hierarchy, the ISOF has been structured so as to place it outside the confines of normal oversight for such organizations. Operating today essentially as a private paramilitary force for Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the ISOF has also been described as a "local ally" of the US in the country, a euphemism for an asset utilized for covert special operations.

The same discredited US policies of that era are now being repeated within the Middle East and the wider Muslim world. The use of torture, the patronage of sectarian proxy forces, and the facilitation of widespread human rights abuses all characterize US policy in the "war on terror". Indeed, many of the same actors complicit in past crimes have returned to help develop and implement present US policy.

Today, Latin America and the Middle East are bound in blood by the experiences of American military intervention and covert warfare. The "dirty wars" of the recent past are playing out once again; time will tell what type of political alignment they will give rise to in response.

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-09 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Worst foreign policy decision, huh? I guess if you really, really hate Bush.

Anybody with a little sense knows the War on Drugs takes the cake.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2013-03-10 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

I keep asking, the dr left keeps ignoring...

WHY did Obama give Halliburton the largest NO BID contract ever awarded??

#18 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-10 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

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