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Wow imagine the teachers college says online education doesn't work. What next chickens saying Colonel Sanders sucks?

#1 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-07 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lots of educational institutions love internet delivery. In my experience, it's problematic - at best.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

#1

I have no problem believing the study. Though the conclusions drawn from it I might object to. People I know who have taken online classes have done so for a variety of reasons. Usually because they can't be bothered to get to school when the class is offered or because the class is just one of the core classes that they for which they have little interest. Neither take their education seriously at baseline, it's just a means to an end, the end being that piece of paper. My point is that those that are truly dedicated and have legitimate scheduling conflicts represent only a small number of those who want to take online classes.

#3 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-07 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

IMHO, there is no learning being done when you can have your class open in one window, and Google in the other.

#4 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-07 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you've never taken an class via the interwebs then you are talking out your arse. Through an online platform, I am forced to read and UNDERSTAND the material. I then must post an assignment indicating my ability to synthesize into the information into a written product. This product is available for the entire class to see, so you can't copy and paste. You can't just pull some crap out. The learning is very interactive involving both instructor and student.

IMHO, this is a far more effective approach to learning than sitting in a classroom while someone drones on for 50 minutes and then tells you to read chapter 6.

#5 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-07 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

#4 | POSTED BY KANREI

I'm not sure that that is as big a problem as your class open in one window, and World of Giant Juggs in the other.

#6 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-07 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You can't just pull some crap out. The learning is very interactive involving both instructor and student."

IF the online teacher constructs good assignments and offers good material, yes. But the teaching doesn't stop at putting up the website.

"IMHO, this is a far more effective approach to learning than sitting in a classroom while someone drones on for 50 minutes and then tells you to read chapter 6."

You are describing bad teaching. I have seldom taken a class, in HS or college, that meets this description. I have almost never taught a class that meets this description. You seem to be assuming this is common. I doubt it. I'm sure it's less rare than I'd like, but common? Yes, given the descriptions you wrote, online learning is better. Given the descriptions you wrote. But those are not the only possibilities for either context. I would still argue that most people are going to do better with a good F2F teacher than with a good online teacher. Online education requires a whole different way of thinking. I'm glad it works well for you.

And for the record, I have no problem with online learning as an adjunct even to public school work (probably best at higher levels, though).

#7 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-07 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have almost never taught a class that meets this description. You seem to be assuming this is common. I doubt it.
#7 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST

Fair enough. I was describing my experience. I mostly found classroom learning to be boring. And before I got into a "low residency" program, I figured online learning was for dolts. I could not have been more wrong. My program is incredibly challenging and rewarding. It has exceeded my expectations in every regard.

#8 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-07 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"My program is incredibly challenging and rewarding. It has exceeded my expectations in every regard."

Excellent. There is a program/company called Ombudsman. Reports are that it is very good and students who do it actually learn. Btw, this is used by kids of all levels--kids who don't "do school" well, kids who are bored because the work in school isn't challenging, kids whose learning styles aren't well-met by the school...

#9 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-07 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

The reasons people take online classes vary. Some people take the online route because their work schedule does not coincide with classes at colleges. Single moms can earn a higher education without leaving their children. Some people may not have a college in their area.

It's rather unfair to say that online classes aren't teaching individuals. I think that a lot depends on the individual attending online classes. Dedication, discipline, and consistency are vitally important for academic success in online classes. The classes are accelerated with as much information to learn in 8 weeks, as someone who physically attends class for 16 weeks; so one must be diligent in their studies in order to keep up.

Learning styles also make a difference.

I've been taking online classes for over two years. The education I am receiving is outstanding and my GPA is 3.73. Not bad for an old bag!

#10 | Posted by Lisa at 2013-03-07 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

"It's rather unfair to say that online classes aren't teaching individuals."

Yes, it is. Did someone say that?

"I think that a lot depends on the individual attending online classes."

And that's equally true of taking classes in a brick-and-mortar setting. The difference is that it's really hard for the teacher to adjust in an online context. I still prefer face-to-face, as a learner and as a teacher. I can do online (as a learner and as a teacher), but like Bartleby, I prefer not to. YMMV, of course. (And good online teaching can be invaluable, as Lisa points out. But some of it is garbage, and some schools have created huge cash cows with little value. Yes, that's true of physical learning as well, but I think F2F learning is still a more proven model.)

#11 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-07 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

My daughter earned one of her Bachelors degrees online and she is currently working on a Masters degree. She teaches middle school in a place that is a great distance from any physical college. At present, online courses are the only method she has to further her college education.

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-07 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I find I cant do complex math or statistic classes without face to face. The filosifizer classes I could do at home. My graduate college for my Master's offered a few of the classes online. I opted to do them at FT. Bragg in person, which was just better for me. Plus, the online classes cost more.

I would be wary of any school that offers totally all online degrees. There's something to be said for the brick and mortar model. The online method is ok for classes with alot of reading and subjegating and "fuzzy" subjects, but for harder maths and such, it wasnt good for me..

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-07 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting, columbia university doing the study post about washington state online schooling.

Well, this can be flawed from the get go cause washington state allows Jr. and high schoolers to do their schooling at home online. I have witnessed many of these students who lack the attention span and will to complete and stay in their online daily classes. The students take this as a free pass to do what they want until the parents get involved and force them into daily class work.

The online schools don't interact with the parents unless the parents proactively do so through the kid taking the classes password. It is a flawed free for all for all involved and just there to take in money without any real verified responsibility of the schools progress and the students progress.

#14 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-03-07 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The high schoolers taking online should have a higher evaluation of performance than just letting the student go with no oversite.

#15 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-03-07 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The online method is ok for classes with alot of reading and subjegating and "fuzzy" subjects, but for harder maths and such, it wasnt good for me.."

And for a lot of people, it wouldn't be good for them in any subject. I think I'd find math easier online, not that I've tried it. If I'm going to have a discussion-based class, I want F2F.

But I completely agree with this: "I would be wary of any school that offers totally all online degrees. "

"The high schoolers taking online should have a higher evaluation of performance than just letting the student go with no oversite."

This is why Ombudsman is good (by the reports I've read): there are teachers on-site. The kid goes to a location, works and engages, has the support of and is monitored by physically present teachers.

#16 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-07 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

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