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The number of anti-government "patriot" groups, including paramilitary hate organizations, reached an all-time high in 2012, fanned by President Barack Obama's reelection and talk of gun control following the Newtown, Conn., elementary school massacre, according to a report issued Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Patriot groups -- those dedicated to federal government overthrow in the belief it will confiscate weapons and impose socialism -- expanded in number and size for the fourth consecutive year, the law center said. The groups' recruiting was fueled by the sluggish economy, anxieties about the country's shifting demographics and their ability to push their ideas and conspiracy theories into the mainstream, the report said. The growth intensified at the end of 2012 with the election and the school massacre.

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"As in the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, we now are seeing ominous threats from those who believe that the government is poised to take their guns," wrote Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center and a member of the Department of Homeland Security working group on violent extremism.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a Montgomery, Ala.-based nonprofit that monitors hate groups and crimes, said in a letter to U.S. Attorney Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano that patriot groups now hold the potential for a wave of domestic terrorism. The groups overshadow the danger posed by more traditional hate groups -- neo-Nazis and others dedicated against blacks, Latinos, Catholics and Muslims, for example, the report found. The group's letter urged federal officials to create a new task force to assess federal resources devoted to the threat.

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This one is for PANEOCON:

Patriot groups -- those dedicated to federal government overthrow in the belief it will confiscate weapons and impose socialism -- expanded in number and size for the fourth consecutive year, the law center said. The groups' recruiting was fueled by the sluggish economy, anxieties about the country's shifting demographics and their ability to push their ideas and conspiracy theories into the mainstream, the report said. The growth intensified at the end of 2012 with the election and the school massacre.

#1 | Posted by DRJIMMIES at 2013-03-05 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...according to a report issued Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center."

Yawn.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't wake Diable, he's dreaming of a white conclave.

#3 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2013-03-05 11:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you have a government filled with criminals and system that induces very little change no matter who is elected, but we're supposed to not be against that?

#4 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2013-03-06 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Looks like drjimmies beat me to the punch with his thread.
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FTA:

--The study said California has the most patriot extremist groups, with 81.

-- The state with the most neo-Nazi groups: California, with 9.

-- The state with the most Ku Klux Klan groups: Texas, with 26.

-- The report breaks out a group it calls "Christian Identity," which the SLPC defines as "a religion that is fundamentally racist and anti-Semitic." Texas has the most, with five.

-- Another category in the report, called "General Hate," is defined as groups that are anti-gay, Holocaust deniers, racist musicians or radical traditionalist Catholics. California has the most such groups, with 37.

#5 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-03-06 04:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can the Southern Poverty Law Center be considered a hate group since they hate on so many groups that disagree with certain political agendas?

#6 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-06 06:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

SPLC is rightly viewed by informed folks as performing a valuable public setvice.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-06 06:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

This one is for PANEOCON:
anxieties about the country's shifting demographics
#1 | POSTED BY DRJIMMIES

Thanks for thinking of me. It's so nice to get up and be called a racist before I get my first cup of coffee down.

Me I'm with DIABLO on this one.
"...according to a report issued Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center."

Yawn.

These clowns couldn't find boobs in a strip joint.

#8 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-06 06:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Figures, speaking of things you can find in a strip joint.

#9 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-06 06:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

What's the fuss about the SPLC?

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is an American nonprofit civil rights organization noted for its legal victories against white supremacist groups; its legal representation for victims of hate groups; its monitoring of alleged hate groups, militias and extremist organizations; and its educational programs that promote tolerance. The SPLC classifies as hate groups organizations that it considers to denigrate or assault entire groups of people, typically for attributes that are beyond their control.
en.wikipedia.org

Well, right there...
The SPLC's litigating strategy involved filing civil suits for damages on behalf of the victims of hate group harassment, threats, and violence with the goal of financially depleting the responsible groups and individuals. While it originally focused on damages done by the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups, throughout the years the SPLC has become involved in other civil rights causes, among them, cases concerned with institutional racial segregation and discrimination, the mistreatment of aliens, and the separation of church and state. Along with civil rights organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League, the SPLC provides information about hate groups to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

Oh, well, that'll do it.

I mean, any group that's worked against the White Patriot Party, United Klans of America, White Aryan Resistance, Christian Knights of the KKK, Aryan Nations, Imperial Klans of America, Ranch Rescue vigilantes, and on behalf of Billy Ray Johnson, separation of church and state - while exposing KKK, neo-Nazi, White nationalist, White power skinhead, neo-Confederate, and black separatist groups - as well as tangling with anti-gay, anti-immigrant, Holocaust denying folk - can't be good. Right? Riiiiiiight.

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-06 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

My only problem with this report is the reference to "Patriot groups." These people are anything but patriots.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-06 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why do you call it "Right-Wing Terrorism Threat"?

Why not Republican Terrorism Threat or Christian Terrorism Threat? That's how they treat the Muslims. Oh that's right I forgot republicans and Christians are special.

#13 | Posted by Species8472 at 2013-03-06 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

My only problem with this report is the reference to "Patriot groups." These people are anything but patriots.
#11 | Posted by danni

Agreed.

Probably because it's the term these thugs use. (Like "white supremacist," I suppose - there's nothing that makes whites [whatever that might be] supreme, but that's what those loons call themselves.)

Wikipedia (often a decent place to start but with caution), describes the "patriot movement" as

a collection of various conservative, independent, largely rural, small-government,[1] social movements in the United States that include organized militia members, tax protesters, sovereign or state citizens, quasi-Christian apocalypticists, or combinations thereof. Adherents describe the movement as centered on a belief that individual liberties are in jeopardy due to unconstitutional actions taken by elected government officials, appointed bureaucrats, and some special interest groups outside of government, to illegally accumulate power.[3] Journalists and researchers have associated the patriot movement with the right-wing militia movement and some in the movement with illegal acts of violence.

Major events in America which alarm or inspire the Patriot Movement include the 1993 Waco siege and 1992 Ruby Ridge siege. After declining from 1996 to 1998, the number of patriot groups has increased dramatically following the election of Barack Obama to the presidency. The movement's iconography centers on themes relating to the American Revolution, such as the colonial Minuteman, the 13-star "Old Glory" flag, Uncle Sam, and the painting titled "The Spirit of '76".
en.wikipedia.org


In other words, loons and thugs masquerading as self-styled patriots.

#14 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-06 08:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

The stupid is strong on this one.

#15 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-06 08:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

The stupid is strong on this one.
#14 | Posted by paneocon

I agree: your criticism of the SPLC - a feigned, childish yawn - unsupported by any reasoning, information or even - as is often the case with your posts - some risible, ridiculously false and easily exposed factoid that supports that attitude is, indeed, stupid. But strong? About as strong as an uncooked, limp, noodly baby calamari tentacle.

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-06 08:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The stupid is strong on this one."

Timothy Mcveigh would be a member of one of these groups if alive today. There are probably many "Mcveighs" among the membership today.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-06 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:


Timothy Mcveigh would be a member of one of these groups if alive today. There are probably many "Mcveighs" among the membership today.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-06 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

What patriot group was he a member of again? Also what crimes did they site that many of these groups committed?

#18 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2013-03-06 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Southern Poverty Law Center

" For example a North Carolina-based group calling itself "Granny Warriors" appears on the SPLC list of active "patriots."

It's well known that the SPLC employs a pretty broad definition for what constitutes a hate group or domestic threat. Objectionable as the Family Research Council can be, especially now that they've brought on frothing Islamophobic hawk Jerry Boykin as a VP, few would consider them worthy of DHS's attention. Even the Washington Post‘s Dana Milbank condemned the FRC's "hate group" designation after it nearly led to a mass shooting.

The SPLC's listing of "patriot groups" is even more broad and pointless: if you look at the 2011 list, every state chapter of the Constitution Party and the John Birch Society is counted separately. The Tenth Amendment Center is listed along with Nullify NOW!, even though the latter is a campaign put on by the former. The numbers are inflated to the point of meaninglessness, and though I can't find a link to the organizations included on this year's list, one wonders if the number of patriot groups really has had "explosive growth" or whether the dragnet has just gotten wider."

www.theamericanconservative.co
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The BIG question is - did the Southern Poverty Law Center find 'Patriot Groups' that were 'Anti-Bush' at all? If so maybe they are on to something. If not they are nothing but a political hack organization hell-bent on attacking conservatives...much like NBC/MSNBC et al.

#19 | Posted by KBM at 2013-03-06 09:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

The SPLC is a hate group itself.

#20 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-06 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

The SPLC has spewed nothing but racist, bigoted garbage for decades.

#21 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-06 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Their whole purpose is the hate groups that they consider hate groups? They have a hypocritical and self defeating purpose?

#22 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-06 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Their whole purpose is the hate groups that they consider hate groups? They have a hypocritical and self defeating purpose?

#20 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-06 10:57 AM

I support the SPLC, but also feel there should always be someone to watch the watchers. The SPLC needs funding and that funding can, and does come under the influence of those with money. Are they always right? Hardly. Do they perform a service? Certainly.

#23 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-06 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

#17 | Posted by daniel_3

First, read the report; there's a slight chance you might learn something.

#24 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-06 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I did not think it seriously possible two years ago. But as I sit here today, I just would not be that shocked if there is a serious terrorist attack on some part of the US carried out be the American far rightwing militia types. The level of anger and hatred is boiling. I also would not be surprised if our government SUCCESSFULLY prevented such an attack. All that intrusive Patriot Act behavior can be effective in the rare circumstances that something really is afoot.

#25 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-03-06 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm thinking of the 11,000+ National Security Letters (NSL's) signed by the FBI last year, most where for Patriot groups, not Muslims. That would explain a lot.

There is probably going to be another McVeigh before too long. Unless they catch him first, but what are the odds of that?

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-06 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

.....
....patriotic anti-government....
...
....oxymoron ....

#27 | Posted by skizziks at 2013-03-06 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anti-government groups are on the raise because the authoritarian liberal obama and company are deminishing civil rights and being lazy in performing for Americans.

#28 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-03-06 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the authoritarian liberal obama"

Whatevers.

I see him more as a center-right corporatist, from banks to illegal immigration. And just look at his support for insurance companies, making health care mandatory by forcing you buy insurance instead of just giving everybody free medicaid for $100 billion a year.

Also, no real military reductions, no hopey-changey work on the school-to-prison pipeline for blacks, no pot legalization, etc....

He hardly strikes me as liberal.

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-06 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

... unless you count gun control - his one liberal policy.

#30 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-06 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, if Wiki is the accepted source, this is from its article on the Family Research Council, labeled a 'hate group' by SPLC just because it stated, as I know to be true from reading such pronouncements over the years from gay rights radicals (not the moderate groups, the radicals), a vocal support for normalizing sex with underage children has been the gay movement:

The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the FRC as a hate group in the Winter 2010 issue of its magazine, Intelligence Report. Aside from statements made earlier in the year by Sprigg and Perkins (see Statements on homosexuality), the SPLC described the FRC as a "font of anti-gay propaganda throughout its history"

en.wikipedia.org

SPLC is a left wing hate group dedicated to making more money for Morris Dees.

#31 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-06 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, from the same Wiki article:

"On August 15, 2012, a gunman attempting to enter FRC's Washington, D.C. headquarters shot a security guard, 46-year-old Leonardo Johnson, in the left arm.[53] While injured, Johnson assisted others who wrestled the gunman to the ground until police arrived and placed the gunman under arrest.[54][55] Johnson was taken to a hospital to treat his wound."

Do you think this guy was influenced more by SPLC or the map on Palin's website?

#32 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-06 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jesse Walker, of the Reason Foundation and author of an upcoming book, "The United States of Paranoia: A Conspiracy Theory," said counting groups isn't a good way to measure the threat. "I'm dubious to assume growth in numbers is related to violence."

Also, the center's definition of hate groups has changed in the past year, kicking up a controversy. Critics accused the group of unfairly bundling together organizations with vastly different points of view -- and painting them all as potentially violent.

For example a North Carolina-based group calling itself "Granny Warriors" appears on the SPLC list of active "patriots."

It's well known that the SPLC employs a pretty broad definition for what constitutes a hate group or domestic threat. Objectionable as the Family Research Council can be, especially now that they've brought on frothing Islamophobic hawk Jerry Boykin as a VP, few would consider them worthy of DHS's attention. Even the Washington Post‘s Dana Milbank condemned the FRC's "hate group" designation after it nearly led to a mass shooting.

The SPLC's listing of "patriot groups" is even more broad and pointless: if you look at the 2011 list, every state chapter of the Constitution Party and the John Birch Society is counted separately. The Tenth Amendment Center is listed along with Nullify NOW!, even though the latter is a campaign put on by the former. The numbers are inflated to the point of meaninglessness, and though I can't find a link to the organizations included on this year's list, one wonders if the number of patriot groups really has had "explosive growth" or whether the dragnet has just gotten wider.

#33 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-07 07:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ken Silverstein's 2000 profile of the organization is worth a re-read:

who could object to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Montgomery, Alabama-based group that recently sent out this heartwarming yet mildly terrifying appeal to raise money for its "Teaching Tolerance" program, which prepares educational kits for schoolteachers? Cofounded in 1971 by civil rights lawyer cum direct-marketing millionaire Morris Dees, a leading critic of "hate groups" and a man so beatific that he was the subject of a made-for-TV movie, the SPLC spent much of its early years defending prisoners who faced the death penalty and suing to desegregate all-white institutions like Alabama's highway patrol. That was then.

Today, the SPLC spends most of its time -- and money -- on a relentless fund-raising campaign, peddling memberships in the church of tolerance with all the zeal of a circuit rider passing the collection plate. "He's the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker of the civil rights movement," renowned anti- death-penalty lawyer Millard Farmer says of Dees, his former associate, "though I don!t mean to malign Jim and Tammy Faye." The Center earned $44 million last year alone -- $27 million from fund-raising and $17 million from stocks and other investments -- but spent only $13 million on civil rights program, making it one of the most profitable charities in the country.

#34 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-07 07:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Southern Poverty Law Center has nothing to do with the Law or poverty. It's director,Morris Dees,who I believe was convicted of child molestation several years ago, is a shakedown artist who makes Jesse Jackson look tame. He scares little old ladies all over America by seeing a Nazi behind every bush,then asking for a donation. His Leftist political views are wrapped up with his views on terrorism thus smearing patriotic Americans, like Ron Paul and others, who believe in a strict construction of the Constitution,hard money and are critical of the Federal Reserve and the IRS. He does this by making anyone who disagrees with his Leftist views into some kind of racist,antisemitic,homophobic,
sexist radical. Why anyone takes the SPLC seriously is a mystery.

#35 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-07 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Seeing the posters who hate the SPLC I get the distinct impression that it is an effective and truthful watchdog of the right wing crazies.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-07 08:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's director,Morris Dees,who I believe was convicted of child molestation several years ago....
Why anyone takes the SPLC seriously is a mystery.
#35 | Posted by zack991

"[C]onvicted of child molestation..."

Really?

Got a credible source for that?

Don't bother; I can answer that without wasting time watching you bob and weave: no, you don't.

Why anyone takes you seriously is a mystery.

No, wait a sec: scratch that; nobody takes you seriously.

#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 08:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Where oh where does the kind of nonsense Zack's spouting above come from?

His [Morris Dees] victories against these fringe hate groups have come at a cost, however. There are regular death threats made against him and bomb threats made against the Center, and several members of a white-supremacist organization were arrested after authorities were tipped that they had formulated and were putting into motion a plan to assassinate Dees. Supporters of the groups that he and the SPLC have been fighting against have circulated bogus "court documents" purporting to show that he is a convicted child molester and has been arrested for committing homosexual acts in public, and have started websites trying to gather derogatory information about both Dees and the SPLC. Nevertheless, they have continued to track domestic hate groups and terrorist organizations and to make the public aware of the dangers of such extremist groups.
www.imdb.com

#38 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Seeing the posters who hate the SPLC I get the distinct impression that it is an effective and truthful watchdog of the right wing crazies.
#36 | Posted by danni

It exerts an effect on them not unlike that of light on cockroaches - except I never heard a cockroach snarl.

#39 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 08:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've never understood the type of person that identifies with and even defends the angry, hateful, evil right wing haters who actually have the nerve to refer to themselves as patriots. How do they get so twisted?

#40 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-07 08:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

37.
I never said he was, there have been past news stories about it that i have not kept up with, hence why I said I believe he was. I never said it was a fact. No one for sure take your for seriously on here, no mattet what your party does its alwasy those evil conservatives fault. Yet what is 100% fact is they are a left leaning group that has been called out time and time again on their BS reports.

#41 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-07 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

"In 1986 the entire SPLC legal staff resigned in protest of Dees refusal to address issues such as poverty,homelessness, voter registration and other issues they considered more pertinent to poor minorities rather than to get rich fighting a Klan chimera. [Harpers Magazine. Silverstein, Ken.
The Church of Morris Dees.
November 2000."

#42 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-07 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's director,Morris Dees,who I believe was convicted of child molestation several years ago....
#35 | Posted by zack991

Really?
Got a credible source for that?
#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I never said he was, there have been past news stories about it that i have not kept up with, hence why I said I believe he was. I never said it was a fact.
#41 | Posted by zack991

No, you didn't. You said you "believe" he was "convicted of child molestation several years ago." But, as is the McCarthyist wont, you didn't actually say he was.

They weren't "news stories" you referred to, by the way, but rightwing lies spread by rightwing liars in whom you, for some reason, appear to place great faith.

You also didn't know what you were talking about, which - natch - did not deter you from spreading a lie.

You should strive to be a better person than that.

#43 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which brings us back to the topic of the thread: what about the SPLC report is inaccurate?

#44 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I never said it was a fact."

Hilarious!

#45 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-07 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

44. Fair enough

Despite real world changes that have made inter-ethnic gang violence and the threat of radical Islamic terrorism a far greater threat to the stability of American life, the SPLC sticks with this always-reliable cash cow that brought them this far: scattered remnants of the KKK, misfit "neo-Nazi's" and other bizarre and fringe outfits that the SPLC unilaterally concludes are "hate groups."

When the SPLC names a "hate group," no specific information is disclosed. No footnotes are given, no facts are checked and no procedure exists to validate the claims. Let's turn to its crimson red "hate map." What do we see? Not much. In California, we see a group in Sunset Beach, California called "Volksfront" which the SPLC has classified as "Racist Skinhead." No specific information is given about this group: specific location, how many members, website, etc. We're just told there's a hate group somewhere around Sunset Beach. A quick look at the website reveals it is just part of Stormfront's chat room and appears to consist of one or two scattered misfits. Stormfront.org seems to be by far the biggest "White Nationalist" website in the country (around 75,000 unique users a month) and it seems to function solely as a chat room and message board. The SPLC, it seems, has an institutional need to multiply "hate groups" notwithstanding evidence to the contrary. We also read about the Jewish Defense League, the Nation of Islam and the Voz de Atzlan ( the SPLC completely ignores anti-Semitism within certain radical Chicano communities), but most of the "hate group" entries nationwide are what we would normally associate with Caucasian-dominated bigot networks. Apparently the pleas for money don't work unless the SPLC engages in ethnic profiling. The FBI Crimes Stats shows none of their claims at all and they demean one the best factually true data on crimes statics the SPLC claims. At least the FBI can cite real evidence to back up their claims unlike SPLC that make up excuses for how they came up with their claims I hate.

The SPLC's is quite candid about its intent: its stated purpose in this case is to try to chill speech, to marginalize opposing ideas and to attempt to control the media's programming decisions and thereby determine what ideas people will hear

#46 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-03-07 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

"No footnotes are given, no facts are checked and no procedure exists to validate the claims."

This, from a guy who heard, somewhere, somehow - but he's not sure where or how - something - but he's not sure what - about Morris Dees being convicted of child molestation? (A bulls**t lie, by the way.)

Too funny.

But back to basics: What about the SPLC report is inaccurate?

#47 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

MAKE NO MISTAKE....

before you good people start slobbering all over your chin....this is the Southern Poverty Law center...

they are biased and bigots and have an agenda for radical leftists policies...so FAIR AND BALANCED or even the TRUTH is not always the goal

#48 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-07 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

when you look at this list all you need to know is any group believing that homosexuality is wrong are terrorists, then you KNOW that the people making the list are biased themselves and the list is baloney

en.wikipedia.org

#49 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-07 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

let me amend that...the list is not completely honest

#50 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-07 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting list there AFK. I bet they all oppose liars, thieves and murderers too. Backward hicks all of them. They need to get in line with the majority of the country.

#51 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-07 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I keep hearing the same yammering and the same unsubstantiated charges about the SPLC emanating from the chorus of bleats along the outer perimeter, but no credible evidence wheeled out in support.

The bleats just aren't enough, kids. Not anymore. You have zero credibility in the political/societal storeroom. Time to refill the larder. Good luck!

#52 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't SPLC categorize Voz de Atzlan as a hate group? I used to read their hate site, and it was downright hilarious.

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-07 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.splcenter.org

#54 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

'A study' by the so. Poverty law center. In other words a report by a completely biased organization....interpreted by huff post, another even more biased.org....means absolutely nothing.

A bunch of crap by org.s with agenda. Biased studies not worth any time reviewing, except by other low information biased hacks with agendas!

#55 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-07 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The bleats just aren't enough, kids. Not anymore. You have zero credibility in the political/societal storeroom."

The only "bleats" that have any credibility in YOUR storeroom are the ones coming from HuffPO, Media Matters and Klutzman anyway, Doc. Are you still a champion of tax, borrow and spend our way to prosperity, Doc? Is your favorite American patriot still Bill Ayers...or maybe the Unibomber?

#56 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-07 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anti-government extremist groups reach record levels, say experts

www.cnn.com

#57 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-03-07 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

SPLC draws conservative ire (CNN, Aug 17, 2012)

www.cnn.com

#58 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-03-07 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The bleats just aren't enough, kids. Not anymore. You have zero credibility in the political/societal storeroom. Time to refill the larder. Good luck!

#52 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis a

read the list I provided and you will see groups of religious God fearing people who help others everyday and have not a shread of hate in their heart no matter the people at this biased and hatefilled themselves CENTER...........they cheapen ANY real threat to just another radical leftwing bunch of bigots crying wolf ( race card)

#59 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-07 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

How do patriot groups pose a threat? What, are they going to take over a Walmart? The gubbermint is the real threat. Anyone who doesn't believe that should make plans to be a victim.

#60 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-08 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess the SPLC's list will double as a Government approved Drone Kill list. A terror threat is a terror threat afterall.

#61 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-08 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Drones flying in air, eroded personal privacy, the thought-police-dictators in modern schools (i.e. teachers).

Homeland security has orders for 1.6 BILLION BULLETS, enough to wage a full-scale war for decades. These bullets aren't for training, folks.

Maybe some of these so-called "right-wing paramilitary groups" are onto something.

Too many people in this country thinks the federal government is a good entity, that protects them, helps them, loves them, instead of realizing it is a necessary evil that should be kept to a minimal size. Bloody fools on the left (along with those on the right) will kill us all.

#62 | Posted by danv at 2013-03-08 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't understand why this thread received so much attention except for the fact the SPLC is a hate group against anyone that doesn't agree with their positions----they're a very dangerous group.

#63 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-08 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't understand why this thread received so much attention except for the fact the SPLC is a hate group against anyone that doesn't agree with their positions----they're a very dangerous group.

#63 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-08 08:18 PM


Agree with you on that one, Matsop. SPLC can be both racist and bigoted towards anyone who doesn't belong to one of their chosen favorite minority groups.

#64 | Posted by CalifChris at 2013-03-08 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

...mean ol' SPLC...pickin' on innocent neo nazi the way they do...

...LOL....

#65 | Posted by 1EyedMan at 2013-03-08 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even the folks at West Point have come realize how grave a threat domestic rightwing scum present.

thinkprogress.org

#66 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2013-03-08 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Agree with you on that one, Matsop. SPLC can be both racist and bigoted towards anyone who doesn't belong to one of their chosen favorite minority groups.

#64 | Posted by CalifChris at 2013-03-08 08:28 PM | Reply |

Of course, that's how some of these groups raise money----create straw men.

#67 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-08 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Maybe some of these so-called "right-wing paramilitary groups" are onto something."

I had never spent much time questioning the integrity of the SPLC. Until today. Many of my friends are concerned that the government would like to restrict freedom-ban firearms, implement socialism, etc. When I'm hanging out with my friends (all military officers), does that make us a "Patriot group?"

And if it does, there is a simple mitigation plan. Don't implement socialism. Don't ban guns. There is no good reason to do either anyway.

At this point the SPLC has to be considered politically suspect. Unless there is something else going on, these Patriot groups are less of a threat than the OWS fleabaggers. And you'll have to point out where SPLC has listed left-wing extremists. The animal liberation front, environmental liberation front, the black bloc, and so on. And these are groups that truly are violent.

It seems clear that the SPLC is not particularly interested in exposing leftist extremists groups. Even those that do employ violence as a means to an ends.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-08 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Any group advocating social violence for whatever reason is dangerous, Madbomber. What I do not like about SPLC is they define the threats politically. They call the Family Research Council a hate group but try to find the environmental terror advocates being highlighted with any gusto by SPLC.
I would like to know if a dangerous nut like Tim McVey lived around me. I also would like to know if Earth First kooks, Ted Kacynski and a host of other violent radicals lived around me because they are potentially violent.
SPLC does not get the point: violent people USE the political views as an angle and a cover. They really have no beliefs, left or right.

#69 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-08 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would submit that the SPLC knows exactly what they are doing. Morris Dees is heavily involved in the environmentalist movement. Criticizing environmentalist groups would very likely alienate their support base, as would criticism of anti-capitalists groups such as the black bloc. After all, how much money is Dees going to make if he equates the Weather Underground with the White Aryan resistance?

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-09 12:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

USA patriots and vets are listed as potential threats but the SPLC says nothing about Kitat Kohenut in the list of militias? That says a lot about their biased agenda. Unquestioned power corrupts.

www.youtube.com

Google: Kitat Kohenut

#71 | Posted by Robson at 2013-03-09 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The number of anti-government "patriot" groups, including paramilitary hate organizations, reached an all-time high in 2012"

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"Since its count of hate groups has dropped since last year -- the number went down from 1,018 to 1,007 -- the center is hyping a 7 percent increase in another category: what it calls "conspiracy-minded antigovernment 'Patriot' groups."

"For SPLC Senior Fellow Mark Potok, that 7 percent surge is a sign that a growing terrorist threat demands the Department of Homeland Security's attention"

Much more debunking at: reason.com

#72 | Posted by KBM at 2013-03-09 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just think it's time someone started an honest organization like SPLC, but that ignores the political/social bent of radicals and just informs us of when they start talking/doing violence.
I don't blame the hippies for Charles Manson but he sure convinced America he was a hippy. They always hide behind a social or political mask as if the blame for their evil lay elsewhere.

#73 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-09 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

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