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Any baptized Roman Catholic male can be elected pope, but the last time a non-cardinal became pontiff was 1378, when archbishop Bartolomeo Prignano was elevated to the papal throne as Urban VI. The names of papabili that have come up most often in speculation are Canadian cardinal Marc Ouellet, 68; Italians Angelo Scola, 71, and Angelo Bagnasco, 70; Ghana's Peter Turkson, 64; Argentina's Leonardo Sandri, 69; Hungarian Peter Erdo, 65; and American Cardinal Timothy Dolan, 63. CNN reports on the betting favorites.

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I don't know much about them but I'm still hoping the guy from Brazil wins.

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I hope he is a South American. The majority of Catholics are from there and it is time.
But this conclave is very, very different from those of recent history. No clear successor has been groomed. The college will have to do some serious thinking about the future and I bet youth will be a factor.
In any case, the St. Malachy "prophecy" says it will be "Peter the Roman."

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I bet youth will be a factor."

Someone under 80 would be a start.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-05 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Under 80 with the wisdom of 100 would be best, Redial.

#3 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

It will be Obama.

- The left

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-05 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I think it will be Bo.

#5 | Posted by Federalist at 2013-03-05 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever formula they used to select John Paul the Great needs to be used again.

If there was no formula....maybe they could go with whoever speaks the most languages assuming there's no chance of scandal?

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-05 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Under 80 with the wisdom of 100 would be best..."

I never considered wisdom to be a selection factor. That said, I have no idea what sort of criteria they look at when picking a pope.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-05 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, Redial, they picked a Pope from behind the Iron Curtain and it caused perhaps the biggest bloodless revolution in human history. It's the closest thing to a miracle I've seen. More people found relative freedom under John Paul II than anyone else ever achieved.
Maybe from the Far East this time?

#8 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who doesn't have ties to rapists should be put to the top of the list. If there is none available, then take the ones who don't prefer kids.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2013-03-05 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Maybe from the Far East this time?"

Like China?

You've got a big pair suggesting that Diablo.

And I think it's a stellar idea.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-05 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...they picked a Pope from behind the Iron Curtain and it caused perhaps the biggest bloodless revolution in human history."

Who was that?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-05 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

My vote is for Billy Corgan.

#12 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-03-05 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

John Paul II, Redial. He was so effective the KGB tried to kill him.
He visited his native Poland and after saying Mass in front of millions everywhere he visited, the Polish Communist government just dissolved. It started a domino reaction that ended up with the Berlin Wall torn down and the USSR becoming Russia again.
Sure, Reagan and Thatcher had an influence, but when the communists could not stop peaceful protests in the form of religion....it emasculated them.

#13 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sure, Reagan and Thatcher had an influence..."

Not as much as Lech Walesa.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-05 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Not as much as Lech Walesa."

I think I may have to simply reference Walesa's own words on this:

en.wikipedia.org

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-05 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

To quote what Tor cites:

Lech Wałęsa, the founder of ‘Solidarity', credited John Paul II with giving Poles the courage to demand change.[40] According to Wałęsa, "Before his pontificate, the world was divided into blocs. Nobody knew how to get rid of communism. In Warsaw, in 1979, he simply said: 'Do not be afraid', and later prayed: 'Let your Spirit descend and change the image of the land... this land'."[101] It has also been widely alleged that the Vatican Bank covertly funded Solidarity.[102][103]

Do a web search on what that brave Walesa faced before all this: almost certain imprisonment and maybe death.

#16 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said Walesa had more influence than Thatcher or Reagan.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-05 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

But in the end, it was Lech Walesa who faced imprisonment or death not the Pope. I take nothing away from John Paul II but I think that even he would acknowedge that his world view was changed significantly by John XXIII. He was the most significant Pope in my lifetime, probably in many life times. He recreated Catholic belief, those who succeeded him were pale in comparison. Benedict was pathetic, the least inspirational Pope in my life time, well except for Pius XII.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-05 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But in the end, it was Lech Walesa who faced imprisonment or death not the Pope."

One could be thought of as God's Knight the other God's general.

It's strange but I still miss John Paul II.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-05 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's strange but I still miss John Paul II."

Too bad you don't remember John XXIII. He was the most revolutionary and evangelical Pope in my lifetime.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-05 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But in the end, it was Lech Walesa who faced imprisonment or death not the Pope."

In the beginning, it was John Paul II, who went to an underground seminary when the Nazis ruled Poland and then was elevated to cardinal when the commies ruled, after he defied them openly for years. He knew, Danni, and he put his backside on the line long before Walesa woke up.

"Benedict was pathetic, the least inspirational Pope in my life time, well except for Pius XII."

Read his books on the Apostles and the life of Jesus. You will be inspired. He is one of the most cheerful and intelligent masters of exegesis I have ever read.

#21 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for the tip Danni, I've learned John XXIII did much good in his 5 years.

Still John Paul II seems to have been to Catholicism (if not all religion) what Einstein was to science.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-05 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I look at John XXIII as tragic. He began the council and died (slowly and painfully, the poor man) before it was finished. He certainly did not favor hootenanny Mass or the oft invoked "spirit of Vatican II" abuses, which have only recently been addressed and corrected.
He was far more of a traditionalist than his admirers admit.
Still, he had an enormous impact on how outsiders view Catholics and therein lies his achievement. He was an enigma at exactly the right time.

#23 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-05 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

A dope.

#24 | Posted by reitze at 2013-03-05 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

A dope.

Soon to be a dope in a funny hat.

#25 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-05 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

In a scarlet clown suit.

#26 | Posted by reitze at 2013-03-05 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope there is a Cardinal Sicola and he gets elected. It would great to refer to Pope Sicola.

#27 | Posted by Grendel at 2013-03-06 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another civil and thoughtful discussion polluted by Reitz and Zat with their childish prejudices and mitigated appreciation of what is important.

#28 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-06 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

The South American's are:

Odilo Scherer, Leonardo Sandri Joao, and Braz de Aviz.

All under 70.

Peter Turkson could be elected too.

Of course I'd love to see another Pope Sylvester but I doubt that's going to happen.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-07 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

en.wikipedia.org

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-07 12:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...and mitigated appreciation of what is important."

That what the thread is about, isn't it? The story in the headline link is a comparision of betting on the next pope against running bingo games in churches.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-07 01:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

I vote for Fr. Guido Sarducci

#32 | Posted by kamakiri at 2013-03-07 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

John Paul II visited here in S. Florida and the local Catholics usually had bumper stickers on their cars proclaiming I heart John Paul. That was fine but then a local radio personality, Neal Rogers, started mailing out bumper stickers to anyone who asked that said I heart John Paul George and Ringo. It was pretty funny to see them.
BTW, John Paul II also visited Cuba so how come Castro is still in power?

#33 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-07 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"He was far more of a traditionalist than his admirers admit."

His biggest change to the Church, I believe, was to allow the Mass to be said in the language spoken by the congregation so they could actually understand it.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-07 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I vote for Fr. Guido Sarducci"

Remember his commercials selling Pope Kits, you got the hat and other things so that anyone could be Pope.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-07 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Next Pope? How about the Dalai Lama?

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-07 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who the hell cares.

#37 | Posted by drewinnj at 2013-03-07 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe from the Far East this time?

#8 | Posted by Diablo

Has there ever been a Pope that wasn't European?

#38 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-07 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh please, not another old man running after more alter boys. Come on pick another woman pope. Time to end the hate!

#39 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-03-07 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes...I like it..a woman pope...Kim Kardashian?

#40 | Posted by drewinnj at 2013-03-07 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Isn't this next Pope supposed to be teh Anti-Christ?

#41 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-07 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too bad Father Ted Crilly's unavailable.

How about Fr. Dougal McGuire? Or, better yet, Fr. Jack "Drink! Feck! Arse! Girls!" Hackett?

#42 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-07 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Has there ever been a Pope that wasn't European?"

There have been Pope's from African and (I think) West Asia.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-07 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course Saint Peter was clearly from West Asia so he kind of counts.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-07 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

there was something about Pope John Paul that made him likable, even though I thought his treatment of the more liberal Catholics in Latin America was atrocious, I still found him likable, I truly think he was doing what he thought was best for all not just for a few.
in the end Pope John Paul was a good and decent person.
as Diablo said Pope Benedict was pathetic.

I am guessing the next Pope will be Italian, but who in the heck knows,
it will be some one who can speak Italian, English and Spanish.

#45 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-07 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

John Paul the Great seems to have gone through four stages: anti-Fascist, anti-Communist, The Great Uniter, and everyone's Great Grandpa.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-07 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pope Guido Sarducci I

www.urantiansojourn.com

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-07 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now Pope John VIII was a great pope She was a she who dressed up like a He. As we call today a She/He .... When they found out she was a she they got rid of her and her child. Guess this church knows no end to their hatred of Women.

So will they pick another Woman Pope? Or does it have to be another
She/He

#48 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-03-08 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Teller, Pope Joan was almost certainly a myth.

en.wikipedia.org

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-08 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

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