The Holocaust Just Got Worse

Sunday, March 03, 2013

Thirteen years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe. What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust. he researchers have cataloged a staggering number of Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe: 42,500.

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When the research began in 2000, Geoffrey Megargee said he expected to find perhaps 7,000 Nazi camps and ghettos, based on postwar estimates. But the numbers kept climbing -- first to 11,500, then 20,000, then 30,000, and now 42,500.

The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions, "Germanizing" prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.

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"You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

#1 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-02 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Great fresh hell.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-02 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kind of like how some U.S. citizens are looking away from the craziness going on this country and rationalizing it----not surprising.

#3 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3, what the hell are you talking about? Don't tell me you buy into the FEMA concentration camp BS.

How on Earth is America like Nazi Germany?

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-02 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#4 |How on Earth is America like Nazi Germany?

It's not,we are only in the sheeple stage right now.

Next comes the total subjugation of the population.

Then come the camps.

rwd

#5 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-03-02 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

How on Earth is America like Nazi Germany?

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-02 07:26 PM | Reply |

Obama: I'm not a dictator.

www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

We are not at that stage right now. People who say we are either have no concept how truly horrible that stage was, or live in tinfoil hats.

What is troubling is how swiftly one wrong person elected to office could put us there. Between FEMA and PATRIOT act government overreach, there are no real checks or balances on what executive orders could make happen without any reliance or effective obstruction from congress. We are not a full fledged police state - but between everything from government tracking license plates and the movement of innocent civilians charged with nothing, to government laws that make it so you can be spied on and indefinitely detained through weakly worded definitions of "terrorist" that could soon be applied to anyone, all the tools are there for a silver-tongued Stalin or Hitler type to slide in an take over in an unnopposable way. Orwell never imagined the true extent our government could control its citizens now. There would be no way to organize a resistance. Every movement, physical, financial, or virtual, is traceable.

#7 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-02 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Next comes the total subjugation of the population."

Know you nothing about the people elected to the federal government in America these days?

We've got more than one of pretty much ever ethnic and racial group on earth in office now and the same goes for every major religion.

Unless you're talking about something like a war by the rich waged against the poor you're just being silly and the idea of that war is even more silly since to maim the poor you just have to take away their food stamps and other social.......

I really hope you're not onto something.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-02 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am puzzled by this.
Now there were death camps, concentration camps AND ghettos?
I thought all Jews were rounded up and sent to camps, and the ghettos were cleaned out. Has the story changed?
The revisionist/Holocaust deniers have made too much hay from such blurry statements and it is well past the time to have a definitive Holocaust history written rather than thousands of "apple over the fence" books.
And it is way overdue to have some scholarship about Stalin's Holocaust of Jews and Christians which happened for a much longer period and killed far more people than Hitler could imagine.

#9 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I thought all Jews were rounded up and sent to camps, and the ghettos were cleaned out. Has the story changed?

Well see here's the thing Diablo. Let's say there's a blighted ghetto you want to eliminate. But it's got 100,000 subhumans in it. You can't round them all up at once. Because you lack both the manpower and the rail car capacity to get them to their preferred destination.

Hope this helps. [...]

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-03-03 12:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

@ Diablo.

en.wikipedia.org

I can vouch for part of my own family having survived a POW camp were they were more afraid of starving to death than being gassed.

hooray?

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 12:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

[...] The standard Holocaust stories have been pasteurized into a literary form, and the Holocaust deniers have used that to create a cottage industry to attack the accuracy of that view. They hop on such inconsistent histories and make much hay about it, and money and supporters, too.
All I said was the old story had all Jews rounded up from ghettos and sent to camps. Now this thread comes along insinuating ghettos remained and Jews survived.
That does not make Snoof think a bit?
Which is why I say it is long overdue for a definitive Holocaust history. Why would you object?
As for what Stalin did, I have despaired of getting the politically correct to even consider looking at that Holocaust. Solzhenitsyn tried.....

#12 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

TY, Tor. Those distinctions are very important. Lots of Auschwitz survivors can be heard but few escaped Treblinka, the assembly line of death. That silence is awful.
And Auschwitz started as a camp for Polish resistance prisoners who were made to labor in the manufacture of supplies for the Germans. The Holocaust deniers try to make that sound like a mere labor camp. It was for a time. Then it became a 'work till you die' camp, the kind Stalin specialized in.
I'd rather die quickly than endure that stuff.

#15 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 12:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Schindler's List was just on TV, watch it or better yet read the book.

Besides the camps and ghettos I think what this study is opening up is the amount of slave camps there were,ancillary to the main camps.

rwd

#17 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-03-03 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

All I said was the old story had all Jews rounded up from ghettos and sent to camps. Now this thread comes along insinuating ghettos remained and Jews survived.
That does not make Snoof think a bit?

Not really. I'm content to chalk it up to the "old version" of the story being a more of a Reader's Digest version.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-03-03 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

DIABLO unless you are dealing with a matter of family or academia I advise you not to further research the Holocaust.

There are some good stories of heroism and morality in there sure.

But they exist among an ocean of agony.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Or as you put it, Pasteurized.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-03-03 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Germans are a sociopathic people, they do everything with a cold detachment."

Eisenhower was clearly German.

en.wikipedia.org

Take it easy on us poor souls who made the mistake of having family born in that country.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 01:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Germans are a sociopathic people, they do everything with a cold detachment."

Unlike EPA bureaucrats, of course.

#23 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 02:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"DIABLO unless you are dealing with a matter of family or academia I advise you not to further research the Holocaust."

I do not pretend to, Tor. But I have spent a bit of time tracing the Holocaust deniers and their sources, which are almost always supposedly legitimate sources. How can such odious propaganda be wrought using the accepted sources in most cases?
It made me start questioning the legitimate sources not for their sincerity, but for their inability to stray from the Nuremburg Trial version of the Holocaust, which even the Jewish historians raise their eyebrows about these days.
I only say it is time for a dedicated and rigorous history of the Holocaust to be written. Any history produced right after a ghastly war is apt to be rendered. The enemies of the Jewish people, moreover, are using this vacuum to make doubters and haters.
Really nasty haters, to boot.

#26 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 02:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

I only say it is time for a dedicated and rigorous history of the Holocaust to be written.

I think these things do a pretty good job.

Stolperstein

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-03-03 03:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

My grandfather died on Normandy beach*, and it really pisses me off when Republicans compare America to Nazi Germany, like the first few posters did. They know nothing of what it means to be a conservative. I'm a conservative, dammit, and I don't see anything like what happened in Germany to be happening in America. In fact, I think they have been reading the Turner Diaries or something.

I'm pro-life, pro-gun, pro-freedom of everything (including gay rights, and even marijuana legalization), pro-defence, pro-privacy, pro-border, and unlike Dick Cheney, I'm anti-deficit.

And if you honestly believe that American is going the way of the Turner Diaries, then you are a cultist, and should have your cult-compound set on fire by the ATF (because I'm anti-pedophile as well).

To me, it's the Republicans that are the real Nazi's, not Obamma. After all, Nazism was the merger of enterprise and state, exactly what the Republicans want.

*His wife found him there with a French woman after the war.

#30 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-03 03:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The Holocaust Just Got Worse"

wait, don't tell me...the pope systematically ran cover for known-kiddie-diddlers?

AND he was a Nazi?

#31 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-03-03 03:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

americandigest.org

news.discovery.com

maybe that's an image of a righteous, pantheistic "god" smiting the unholy, corrupted heart of catholicism; maybe it isnt.

#32 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-03-03 04:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

I realize that perhaps even some here might still think that the holocaust was not real.Perhaps like some of you think we never went to the moon or the REALLY FAR OUT AND silly notion that 9/11 was an inside job...

well here are even more facts of even more killings and torture..REAL Torture not 21st century liberal WUSSY water boarding...

maybe some of HIS FANS here can forward this to the little guy in iran with the bad suits.

#33 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 06:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's not the least bit surprising that Dumya's grandpa Prescott was so eager to help the Nazis.

#34 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2013-03-03 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Helium,

So you are a libertarian? But I jest.

My Grandfather was the only survivor of some river crossing (I am sorry I don't remember which one) all I know of WW2 and conditions on the Continent is that a tough as nails SOB (my grandfather) was so horrified he would never, ever, ever talk about it.

He had a huge collection of medals ribbons etc. he brought home. He put them in a drawer and didn't bring them out. If you asked him about them he would tell you which drawer they were in then leave the house so he didn't see them or get asked about them when you got them out.

Either way your point about a fascistic america is true but so is zero's about how the wrong guy elected could easily go there. All the necessary pieces are just waiting to be picked up.

#36 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2013-03-03 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Heliumrat,

Would you mind as some point writing more about your take on religion and God? What are your beliefs?

Hell...what are your beliefs on everything? Just write more.

I will be looking for your posts.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2013-03-03 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dr. Megargee said he expected to find perhaps 7,000 Nazi camps and ghettos, based on postwar estimates. But the numbers kept climbing -- first to 11,500, then 20,000, then 30,000, and now 42,500.

Which one of these Nazi camps did mush-brained liar Ronnie Raygun claim to have liberated?

#38 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2013-03-03 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

But they exist among an ocean of agony.

#19 | Posted by Tor a

sit down because Im about to agree..

the section of 'rise and fall of the third reich" called 'the final solution' was so graphically and dreadfully sickening that about half way through I closed the book and about an hour later came back to read again beginning at the next section........

#39 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

rien

way to weigh on in such a sophisticated way on a really hideous subject

#40 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which one of these Nazi camps did mush-brained liar Ronnie Raygun claim to have liberated?

#38 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

the context of your comment history could be viewed by a rational person as pro-nazi

reinheitsgebot? ... is that Swiss? Hispanic?

#41 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then it became a 'work till you die' camp, the kind Stalin specialized in.
I'd rather die quickly than endure that stuff.

Hitler ran both. Most of the worker/ furnace food sorting took place as soon as the victims got off the trains.

Lest we forget, America never would have gotten to the moon, without the hard work of those jews von Braun got to work to death.

#42 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-03-03 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Humanity would have gone to the moon sooner if not for Hitler and Stalin.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

No one lost more than the Russians, our allies during WWII.

#44 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-03 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

A holocaust doesn't get worst. You can't take evil, which is infinitely bad, and add on worst then claim it got worst. It was always evil. You can't take evil and make it more evil. Evil is evil. You can't quantify evil. If you do you lesson the quality of evil.

#45 | Posted by pragmatous at 2013-03-03 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

The first thing Russia lost was it's chance to do the right thing and drive the Nazi's out of Poland.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

let's not forget one little FACTUAL detail.

in this country LIBERALS were howling AGAINST war with Germany because of their love affair with "UNCLE JOE" as they called him...

when hitler went after Russia..that all changed.

#47 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

eeeeeeeeeehh

yeah I know...its not exactly on target but who can resist reminding liberals where they messed up.. :)

#48 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

on TOPIC..

#49 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

AFKABL2 you forget what things were like at home for us Americans.

en.wikipedia.org

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

A fresh rigorous objective academic investigative history of all crimes of ethnic cleansing that have occurred throughout the world needs done without regard to religion or politics. The investigators need balance and not tied to the outcome.

All facts need disclosed and corroborated. Many have been covered up or unduly biased and some swept under the rug.

#51 | Posted by Robson at 2013-03-03 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

ROBSON rather than looking backwards maybe it's time to look forwards.

#52 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#52 tor. I know you did not mean it that way but ....... The classic statement that a crooked politician uses when he/she wishes to cover up past misdeeds is "let us look forward and not backward".

Until we understand all of the ramifications of history as it actually happened and not as devious politicians and despots portrayed it, we are doomed to be gullible, misled and fail to understand the threats to humankind.

#53 | Posted by Robson at 2013-03-03 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#53

Uh-oh. Now the the Turks will have face up to the Armenian genocide.

But I'm sure they'll just blame it on the left.

#54 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-03 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#45 | Posted by pragmatous at 2013-03-03 07:21 PM | Reply

Are you a twin brother of Prag? Anyway, you're correct about evil. A lot of Americans correctly no longer seem to understand that evil exists---it has in the past; it's present today and will be in the future. Evil is spawned out of self-interest and culture relativism and the lack of any absolute values. Man can advance in all kinds of areas except in morals which history has revealed poignantly many times. The reason laws and absolutes have existed throughout mankind's history is the fact that time and again humans have shown how perverse they are and incapable of considering their fellow man's interests as well as their own.

#55 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Either way your point about a fascistic america is true but so is zero's about how the wrong guy elected could easily go there. All the necessary pieces are just waiting to be picked up."

The plebiscite in the 1930s that gave Hitler absolute power was supported by something like 80% of voters. He was immensely popular, and had little legitimate competition. When those conditions occur in any country, there really is no limit to what can happen. In the US, for instance, with that level of support, you could literllay overturn the entire Bill of Rights, right a new one, do whatever.

That being said, we're probably safe here in the US, because you would never get 80% of the population to agree on something as sweeping as undoing the BoR.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-03 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

That being said, we're probably safe here in the US, because you would never get 80% of the population to agree on something as sweeping as undoing the BoR.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-03 10:16 PM | Reply

I don't know mad; if the conditions are right, like any other country we could see a despot. Little things like a constitution/bill of rights wouldn't be a deterrent since people like that think they know what's best and wouldn't let a little thing like 80% of the population deter them.

#57 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#56 Madbomber you are completely wrong. Hitler never got over 30% of the vote.

He rose to power though parliamentary tricks and the Reich-stag fire, which the Nazi's either set or used perfectly.

I wish there was a German on this board that could set you straight. I suggest you read "Hitler", a big black book about 1000 pages long or so, which includes interviews with his childhood friends and school-teachers, then then goes though his history year-by-year.

#58 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-03 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for your understanding ROBSON.

I am a fan of history but worry when it is used as an excuse for creating suffering.

#59 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hitler belonged to the NSDAP and originally he got 2% of the vote in about 1928 and in about 1932 when the people were fed up with the Weimar Republic he got about 20% of the vote---after WWI they didn't get rid of the money owed to the banks and other sovereigns---they kept printing money (sound familiar) and that's when hyperinflation took hold.

#60 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

For MATSOP.

en.wikipedia.org

#61 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#58 "He rose to power though parliamentary tricks and the Reich-stag fire, which the Nazi's either set or used perfectly."

In other words Hitler rose to power via political skullduggery and the use of false flags to capture public anger, attention and provide justification of waging war and taking rights.

Many Americans believe we have already been made a victim of such tactics since 2000-2001. Maintenance of a constitutional democracy is fragile and a very fine line that cannot be permitted to waiver based upon politicians who claim our enumerated rights should change with the times because of technology or terrorism. That then becomes a ticket that a tyrant will use to make our rights null and void.

The political power that resides in an armed citizenry rises above Party politics, and the need and influence of such political power can not be understated so as to maintain the fine balance of power that favors the people and not the politicians.

#62 | Posted by Robson at 2013-03-03 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another thing I always found interesting about Hitler was his early career as an "artsy/crafty" guy. With that and his association with socialists you can kind of draw a picture of the guy. Interestingly, he didn't do a lot of paintings of people but of buildings---of course he thought like most narcissists that he was a great painter---

#63 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#63

I doubt Hitler had any exposure to paintings of people as a child at home. Hitler was an abused child, and child abusers never have family photos on display.

Just a curious side note.

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-03 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Evil is spawned out of self-interest and culture relativism and the lack of any absolute values.
#55 | POSTED BY MATSOP AT 2013-03-03 10:04 PM | FLAG:

I'll agree with you evil exists, and far too many of my fellow liberals forget that. I absolutely disagree with that statement though. This isn't more Bush hating in terms of blaming him for things Obama should have fixed - but Bush was evil. Bush, and his administration, his war of choice, brought to premature death over 100,000 lives. And it was done over nationalism and moral absolutism. Lack of absolute values means you have to actually think about where to place things. Absolutism lets you reach absurdities quickly. Like crazed nationalism, similar to that held by the third reich.

Cultural relativism is something I have mixed feelings about. You call it bad - but the Germans in WWII had no such thing - they believed all cultures inferior to their own, a belief that led to the belief it was morally ok to subjugate other cultures. So there is an example of no moral relativism leading to truly immoral decisions. I however, believe western culture is a good thing. That values like freedom, secularism, and equality are better, inherently BETTER than other values - and this places me in opposition to both Islamic theocracies - and conservative wishful theocracies. Explain that.

#65 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-03 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Heh. That's called western ethnocentrism, if you buy into BS theories by the relativists.

#66 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-03 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#63

I doubt Hitler had any exposure to paintings of people as a child at home. Hitler was an abused child, and child abusers never have family photos on display.

Just a curious side note.

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-03-03 11:21 PM | Reply

That is interesting.

#67 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hitler's family history is creepy.

"child abusers never have family photos on display."

I'd love to know where that info comes from.

#68 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-03 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

You call it bad - but the Germans in WWII had no such thing - they believed all cultures inferior to their own, a belief that led to the belief it was morally ok to subjugate other cultures.

#65 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-03 11:35 PM | Reply

I would say you just pointed out a pretty good example of cultural relativism.

#69 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

YEAH THOR

I had read before but just this part of that stuff

www.huppi.com

#70 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-04 12:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

BUT fdr showed his true colors when he went after the guy who it could be argued was one of the most important businessmen in our history

archive.mises.org

#71 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-04 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ludwig von Mises Institute?

Bah.

FTR FDR showed his true colors when he didn't have the plotters executed or even imprisoned.

#72 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-04 12:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

The problem with the Komandos, (the small work camps) is that they were just about every where, at plants and factories inside Germany proper. Inmates were routinely marched from one facility to another through the streets of many German towns. Many had as few as 50 inmates with perhaps three home guard soldiers or reserve police for security who answered to the SS. The problem comes when any citizen of Occupied Europe claims that they had no idea what was happening are full of it. Hitler had willing accomplices who ether consented to these crimes by their silence or were actively participating. At some points between 1.5 million to 2 million people in Europe were in bondage by the Nazis during the war. Slaves were every where, starved, publicly mistreated and their dead bodies left in plane view- (the SS verified the dead for their records). The most honest testimony I ever had was when I did volunteered at an old folks home while I was was stationed in Germany. Many of the soldiers who survived WWII did so because they had lost one or more limbs. It was an interesting way to learn conversational German.

#73 | Posted by docnjo at 2013-03-04 01:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kind of like how some U.S. citizens are looking away from the craziness going on this country and rationalizing it----not surprising.
#3 | POSTED BY MATSOP AT 2013-03-02 06:36 PM | FLAG:

kinda like how some US citizens are trying to create a country within a country, doomed to do it all over again, busy convincing themsleves they'll "get it right, this time."
LOSERS.

#74 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-04 01:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

evil is spawned from ignorance.

#75 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-04 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

that's called human ethnocentrism!

#76 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-04 02:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

...the species.

#77 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-04 02:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

The "Obama is Hitler" butthurt is hysterical. If he weren't such a bad president, I'd be a real fan of his just because he makes vapid GOP sheeples so crazy.

#78 | Posted by sully at 2013-03-04 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

FTR FDR showed his true colors when he didn't have the plotters executed or even imprisoned.

#72 | Posted by Tor at

or PERHAPS when his policies kept the country in economic hardship until the war..

one thing you have to give him or whoever though..the wpa....I taught in a small school in east texas in a building built by the wpa and that was in 1990 !!!! and it was still solid..

HOWEVER...any discussion on fdr has to begin and end with two things..the internment camps and trying to stack the supreme court.

#79 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-04 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

I love this. They can only find body counts when it suits them.

What is 4 minus 2.5?

hint: it's not 6.

#80 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2013-03-04 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

This story is about far more than just Jews regardless of how this thread is shaping up. For example, Jews were not in the POW camps. SS policy was to kill even Jews in uniform if captured. The Army and the SS had many fights over issues such as that as the Army feared their prisoners would be executed on sight if word got out. Also, Commando squads regardless of uniform or religion were shot on sight, not captured.

Nazism was an affront to all people of all races, creeds, beliefs, or any other division you can imagine.

#81 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-04 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nazism was an affront

Still is.
Arbeit Macht Frei!!

#82 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-04 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

There was a Nazi concept I actually just learned about yesterday basically known as "Bad Blood." It was used to justify wipin gout entire families. Basically, if you did bad against the Third Reich, then it was believed it was in your blood to do bad, and therefore anyone who shared your blood was likely to do the same, so the Nazi's would just kill everyone.

#83 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-04 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | Posted by ichiro/ Absolutely untrue! No one was ignorant, they simply chose to believe what they knew was false. Imagine every black citizen in this country taken into police custody brutally and moved somewhere... You see them in slave camps being murdered by fiat power. There were about the same percentage of Jews in Germany before the Nazi rule as there are black people here now. Do you seriously believe evil is based in ignorance? Evil prevails when good men do nothing. Would you believe your government when they tell you your neighbors were being resettled out somewhere?

#84 | Posted by docnjo at 2013-03-04 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sometimes I'm impressed by the quality of debate on the DR. This is one. Interesting stuff from many of you.

Nazism never ceases to amaze. For me personally, it's always seemed too horrible to believe that humans could have the capacity to be so cruel, so my fascination stems from trying to understand the mindset that allowed it to flourish.

#85 | Posted by cbob at 2013-03-04 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

CBOB

Famously, the Milgram experiment studied that question.

www.simplypsychology.org

We duplicated it in psych class in college using ice water rather than electric shock.

The prof went on to a talk on how to create a catatonic person.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-04 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

22 times in history has laws been passed by nations to wxterminate the Jews.

China Rome europe Arabian lands, Japan china and european nations over the centurires all passed laws marking Jews and then a few years later killing them.

America will be the next to pass the law killing everyone who does not keep sunday (anti Jew day)

#88 | Posted by RRichy at 2013-03-04 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Germans kept sunday and the Jews kept the true Sabbath
so they went and killed them

#89 | Posted by RRichy at 2013-03-04 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

RRICHY did you stop taking medication?

#90 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-04 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In other words Hitler rose to power via political skullduggery and the use of false flags to capture public anger, attention and provide justification of waging war and taking rights."

Yep, and Republicans and Democrats learned that technique very well:

"I am not into nation building." George W. Bush

"I want to make abortion safe, legal and rare." Bill Clinton

"Read my lips, no new taxes." George H. W. Bush

"Hope and change." Obama

#91 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-04 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

if Hitler was alive today, he would be the CEO of Monsanto.

#92 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2013-03-04 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yep, and Republicans and Democrats learned that technique very well:"

Your sentence for stupidity should be to actually read about the rise of the Third Reich and how they actually came to power. It was nothing like anything either of our largest parties have ever done or, as far as I know, ever even discussed. Saying something like that was incredibly ignorant. Monumentally ignorant. It could be a new record of ignorance.

#93 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-04 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag: