Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, March 02, 2013

Eighty four percent of fish have unsafe levels of mercury, a new study from the Biodiversity Research Institute in Maine finds. This poses a health risk for humans, exceeding the guidelines for eating certain kinds of fish more than once a month. Reducing mercury pollution is on the agenda of the United Nations conference this week in Geneva. "Seventy-five percent of the fish we eat in the United States is imported," said Linda Greer of the National Resources Defense Council. "Many of the tuna fish we eat, for example, swim in the South China Sea, and that's mercury pollution that comes into cans and into our pantries every day."

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Physics Update
Mercury levels in the South China Sea

A ship-based measurement campaign reveals that mercury diffuses in and out of the South China Sea at rates that are high, seasonal, and troubling.

January 14, 2013
Mercury is a potent neurotoxin. It enters the atmosphere when coal is burned and precious metals are mined. Carried by winds, Hg dissolves into seawater, where it emerges, much concentrated and to much alarm, in the flesh of large edible fish.

www.physicstoday.org

Homo sapiens is a misnomer.

#1 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-02 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Homo sapiens is a misnomer."

There's nothing "wise" about homo sapiens, that's for sure.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Total and complete garbage. You know you post mostly reasonable stuff, yes slanted towards what you are thinking, but reasonable.

This is total trash! Want proof???

#3 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

I challenge you to watch this and refute their conclusions. The consumer mentioned in your link ate fish twice a day. Yes I would say that might be excessive! Be very careful of 'non profits' doing studies. Most are funded by Pew, and are not unbiased.

www.undeerc.org

#5 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

I encourage EVERYONE to watch the 33 minute video contained in my link. It blows doors thru the biased garbage masquerading as truth in fish consumption.

Actually this is documented studies refuting the EPA. It says that selenium in fish cancels out the mercury. So just testing for mercury is pointless and worthless.

The bottom line is EAT YOUR FISH, its good for you.

#6 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds fishy to me.

#8 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2013-03-02 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can see you refuse to watch the link. I could care less if you just want to hug ignorance. But, I encourage anyone else who wants to hear what's going on to watch.

It's very, very good.

#9 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's conducted by NOAA and NMFS.

#10 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

And PBS

#11 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And PBS"

Why do I care what those stinkin' libs say?

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds fishy to me.

#8 | Posted by Harry_Powell

Then why not watch? It will change your opinion.

#15 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are we back to the mercury thing now? I remeber seeing Flip Wilson doing some kind of skit on this many, many years ago. It was right around the same time as the "global cooling" crisis I believe. This report is from ten years ago....I guess some "scientists" are looking for more money to study the "mercury crisis" since many younger people don't remember the last one.

"The journal Science has a report from Dr. George Graham at University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada, showing that mercury in fish may not be as dangerous as some scientists have been telling us.

There are two major recorded studies on mercury poisoning from food: one from highly contaminated fish in Japan in the 1960's, and the other from highly contaminated grain in Iraq in the 1970's. In Minimata, Japan, 111 people died or became very ill from eating fish daily over extended periods from waters that were severely polluted with mercury from local industrial discharge. The Iraq study was massive mercury poisoning from insecticides. No studies have ever shown damage in humans who consume moderate amounts of fish from a variety sources.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recommends that pregnant women and young children avoid large predatory fish because they may accumulate large amounts of mercury that could possibly cause brain damage in young children. However, there are no reports of North American children actually being harmed by mercury in fish."

www.drmirkin.com

#16 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-02 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 11:58 AM | Reply

Finally, the answer for the left's absence of rational thought--hydargyria. And I thought they disliked Catholics. If they would filet their fish and quit cannibalizing the viscera, they might have a fighting chance.

#17 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

... mercury in fish may not be as dangerous as some scientists have been telling us.

"May not be as dangerous" does not equal "not dangerous."

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-02 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually there is direct correlation of such affect; the less fish consumed in prenatal and infancy, the lower the verbal IQ. They cite a study of 14,000 children in England.

Watch the link, go 20 minutes in if you have short attention span

#19 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Watch the link rcade. It's comments like yours based on fear that are the problem. The National Institute of Health and Sr EPA scientists concur.

#20 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.undeerc.org

#21 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Watch the link rcade. It's comments like yours based on fear that are the problem.

#20 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 01:19 PM | Reply |

The left/demonrats thrive on fear----we should know that by now. By the way, anybody have trouble getting on a flight today?

#22 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Watch the link rcade. It's comments like yours based on fear that are the problem."

Nobody is going to waste 30 minutes watching your stupid link to hear 5 minutes worth of actual content. Just post an article.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The media must be running out of fresh print----seems we recycle the mercury scare every so many years. Next it'll be lead and then global warming. There's a new one and it's bullying. Let's all agree that bullying is a bad thing. But watch; out of that will be spawned all kinds of the usual sensitivity industries and then what will come last is all the nutjobs accusing the innocents of bullying----kind of like race baiting and accusations of racism that doesn't exist----only in America.

#24 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Watch the link rcade. It's comments like yours based on fear that are the problem."

They just love crises, that's all. It gives them cause to increase taxes and all. Also, their "progressive" academics can get huge grants to study each crisis, and like in this case, go back to revisit each one that has been studied before. They had to change the "global warming/global cooling" crises to "climate change" in order to keep from looking foolish, but it's all the same scam. Remember ol' Rahm, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." Only huge "progressive" government can solve them, you know.

#25 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-02 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's comments like yours based on fear that are the problem.

Fear of consuming mercury is sensible. Look at what happened to the people in Minimata, Japan:

en.wikipedia.org

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-02 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-02 01:45 PM | Reply

True, but most of these type of events involve large concentrations of HG due to unusual events----not what the thread is talking about.

#27 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually rcade they address that incident, obvious you refuse to watch and learn.

In fact I would say those who refuse to learn, and are closed minded, show indications of not eating enough fish. What's the matter rcade, afraid to have to admit you are wrong?

#29 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

... obvious you refuse to watch and learn.

I don't have time to watch a 30-minute documentary just to see if it informs this debate. I prefer text because it's much faster to evaluate.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-02 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

After all who knows better, a internet troll pulling one story from 1956 and 1965 off of wiki or NOAA NMFS and the National Institute of Health?

#31 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just post a transcript of this video, Wave. Give us the Reader's Digest version. Thanks.

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

When it comes to baby's developing eyes and brain, ocean
fish are ideal. Ocean fish are the No. 1 source of the nerve
cell-building omega-3 fatty acid DHA. DHA and the other
nutrients in ocean fish are also critical for development of
baby's nervous and immune systems.
For moms, the omega-3s and critical nutrients in ocean
fish reduce the risk of many pregnancy-related disorders
as well as heart disease. In fact, studies indicate low
levels of omega-3s may increase the risk of postpartum
depression.
The American Mental Health Association recommends
at least 1000 mg of DHA a week for pregnant and nursing
women. That's the equivalent of 16 oz of canned tuna fish
or 4 oz of albacore tuna a week.
Experts say . . .
Scientists studying the effects of fish consumption by
pregnant women have learned that consuming more
ocean fish is better than avoiding or limiting intake.
Studies demonstrated that pregnant women who ate
more than 12 oz of fish a week gave birth to children who
performed better in school, had better social behavior, and
had better fine motor skills than those who ate less than

#34 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Turning the tables: mercury tackles selenium
It is well established that selenium can counteract
mercury toxicity. This antidotal effect has been
known since the 1960s and has been noted in all
investigated species of mammals, birds, and fish.
Until the importance of selenium was understood,
this phenomenon was speculated to be the result of
selenium binding to Hg, rendering it ineffectual at
creating mayhem. It is now understood that selenium's
antidotal effect for counteracting methylmercury occurs
by ensuring that normal selenoprotein synthesis is
maintained. Therefore, this can be viewed as a matter
of molar ratio: the number of selenium atoms versus
mercury atoms present or consume

#35 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here it is in a nut shell.

Selenium in fish cancels out the mercury. So just testing for mercury is pointless and worthless. The benefits of eating fish vastly outweighs the worries of mercury toxicity.

Counting just the mercury, is almost like false advertising. You have to know the fishes level of selenium vs mercury to make wise choices. Ocean going fish have more selenium the fresh, and it you are to avoid anything, merely stay clear of whale, shark, sword, and king mackerel. Tuna in all forms is good for you.

Now should you eat it twice a day every day like the guy this retort is based on? No of course not, but a few meals a week is good for everyone, especially pregnant women, and children.

#36 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36

Thanks, Wave. That was better, or at least shorter, than a video. So what it boils down to, everybody should eat fish, right?

And that industrial capitalism should dump massive quantities of selenium into the ocean to mitigate the damage done by dumping massive quantities of mercury into the ocean, right?

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And that industrial capitalism should dump massive quantities of selenium into the ocean..."

Oddly enough our workplace just converted to bottled water because the selenium levels in the well water are too high.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-03-02 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

From MSDS

Se: The substance is toxic to blood, kidneys, lungs, liver,
mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.

Hg: The substance may be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, brain, peripheral
nervous system, central nervous system (CNS). Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated or prolonged contact with spray mist may produce chronic eye irritation and severe skin irritation.

#39 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-02 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Studies demonstrated that pregnant women who ate
more than 12 oz of fish a week gave birth to children who
performed better in school, had better social behavior, and
had better fine motor skills than those who ate less than

#34 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 03:04 PM | Reply

Null, how far from the ocean did your mother live?

#40 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course Zat won't watch, and sites from a web link. Guess they know better then the National Institute of Health?

Remind me to NEVER listen to you in regards to anything scientific, you obviously are biased and operating with poor information.

#41 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#42 | Posted by DavetheWave

We get it. You like fish. BFD. What are you, the president of StarKist or something?

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Further, the Pew Foundation is behind much of this 'research'.

They hide behind grants, backing studies which slant public opinion. The RFA alliance has outed Pew many times, backing outright an agenda 100% against all types of fishing.

If you care to read how it's done.....

In late 2006, "
Fisheries Face Collapse by 2048!"was the headline read and heard aroundthe world – at least in the world of Washington, DC. It justso happens that Congress was
debating the reauthorization of the Magnuson-St
evens Fishery Conservation and Management
Act at that precise moment. The press stor
ies sighted a study led by Dr. Boris Worm of
Dalhousie University. While obj
ective observers might question elements of the study, it was
the media hype that the Pew Charitabl
e Trusts ("Pew" or "the Trust"
) wanted out there as part of
a carefully orchestrated campaign to influence th
e Congressional debate on the Nation's primary
fisheries law.

www.joinrfa.org

#44 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#43 haha No but I am an avid fisherman

#45 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how when presented with facts the left closes their eyes and repeats same biased info.

You are way too partisan for a scientific discussion. If you play it off as an "educated v. ignorant" premise, you have a effective argument. Framing this as a right v. left issue undermines your credibility, IMO.

If it's the thread's article you find biased, fine. Point out so and explain why. Buy playing this off as a "liberal fear mongering conspiracy" is whacko in and of itself.

I watched your video and it is a convincing argument. Nobody here has refuted its substance. Let's leave it at that and not drive this discussion into a "libtards are such and such...." discussion. There are enough right wing (and left for that matter) circle jerks on the DR. Why add another? Are you that big of a partisan hack? Christ almighty.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-03-02 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you think the Recreational Fishing Alliance is not a biased source?

How about some f[...]ing consistency? Christ ALMIGHTY!

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-03-02 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

his error

Making stuff up again?

lol

#49 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-02 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mercury levels in the South China Sea
March 2013, page 20
www.physicstoday.org

#50 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-02 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only an idiot would say there wasn't mercury in the oceans, or that pollution isn't a problem. It is!!

Why do you have refuse to watch my video and respond. Your post is directly talking about mercury in fish.

So why not refer to what the National Inst of Helath, NOAA and NMFS have said on record?

#51 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

haha No but I am an avid fisherman

#45 | Posted by DavetheWave

Not for long.

Big-Fish Stocks Fall 90 Percent Since 1950, Study Says
National Geographic News
May 15, 2003

Only 10 percent of all large fish -- both open ocean species including tuna, swordfish, marlin and the large groundfish such as cod, halibut, skates and flounder -- are left in the sea, according to research published in today's issue of the scientific journal Nature.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-02 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Damn, 2003 even? It must be a 100% by now.

#53 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2013-03-02 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Caught a 278lb BFT last year. Hopefully there will be more....

At least American Recreational fisherman participate in season limits, size limits, and bag limits. Its NMFS that has done a horrible job, don't even get me started.

And they look like choir boys compared to what ICCAT has been doing (they can't stop themselves)

#54 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Aaah! The mercury in fish environmental scare again. It's like listening to golden oldies...

#55 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 02:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

We bought and played with mercury as kids - used it to shine dimes and quarters and watch it roll around on the palms of our hands -- With no problems. I have all my hair and teeth too.

#56 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-03-03 06:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I watched it. It was informing and thought provoking.

That's likely why libs avoid it, the logistics of awaiting HuffPo to tell them what they should think are a hassle

#57 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

"That's likely why libs avoid it, "

No, it's because libs aren't stupid enough to watch a 30 minute propaganda video from the fishing industry when the actual content can be summarized in one paragraph.

#58 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Conservatives like RoadRunner and Wave are afraid to watch this video.

www.youtube.com

#59 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

#46. See? I call Zat out for BS web link, based on hype not science. His response is garbage, completely ignoring scientific fact and research. No one is saying pollution doesn't exist. It does it's a huge problem. But this retort is about Mercury in fish

Zat Remind me to NEVER listen to you in regards to anything scientific, you obviously are biased and operating with poor information.

#60 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Mad as a hatter" is a colloquial phrase used in conversation to refer to a crazy person. In 18th and 19th century England mercury was used in the production of felt, which was used in the manufacturing of hats common of the time. People who worked in these hat factories were exposed daily to trace amounts of the metal, which accumulated within their bodies over time, causing some workers to develop dementia caused by mercury poisoning. Thus the phrase "Mad as a Hatter" became popular as a way to refer to someone who was perceived as insane.
en.wikipedia.org

lol

Explains a lot.

#61 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 08:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Absorption of mercury through the skin can cause Korsakoff's syndrome.[1]
Korsakoff's syndrome (also called Korsakoff's dementia, Korsakoff's psychosis, or amnesic-confabulatory syndrome) is a neurological disorder caused by a lack of thiamine (vitamin B1) in the brain. Its onset is linked to chronic alcohol abuse and/or severe malnutrition. The syndrome is named after Sergei Korsakoff, a Russian neuropsychiatrist who described it during the late 19th century.
There are six major symptoms of Korsakoff's syndrome:

anterograde amnesia
retrograde amnesia, severe memory loss
confabulation, that is, invented memories which are then taken as true due to gaps in memory sometimes associated with blackouts
meager content in conversation
lack of insight
apathy - the patients lose interest in things quickly and generally appear indifferent to change.

en.wikipedia.org

Explains a lot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#64 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 08:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Watch my link in #59, Dave. If you don't it proves you're afraid of the truth.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 09:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

retrograde amnesia, severe memory loss
confabulation, that is, invented memories which are then taken as true due to gaps in memory sometimes associated with blackouts
meager content in conversation
lack of insight
apathy - the patients lose interest in things quickly and generally appear indifferent to change.

All these are attributed to old age and drinking.
I've seen the "confab" thing and "memory gap" here a lot so maybe young dummies can get it too.

#67 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-03-03 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

The consumption of fish is by far the most significant source of ingestion-related mercury exposure in humans and animals, although plants and livestock also contain mercury due to bioaccumulation of mercury from soil, water and atmosphere, and due to biomagnification by ingesting other mercury-containing organisms.[5] Exposure to mercury can occur from breathing contaminated air,[6] from eating foods that have acquired mercury residues during processing,[7] from exposure to mercury vapor in mercury amalgam dental restorations,[8] and from improper use or disposal of mercury and mercury-containing objects, for example, after spills of elemental mercury or improper disposal of fluorescent lamps.[9]

Consumption of whale and dolphin meat, as is the practice in Japan, is a source of high levels of mercury poisoning. Tetsuya Endo, a professor at the Health Sciences University of Hokkaido, has tested whale meat purchased in the whaling town of Taiji and found mercury levels more than 20 times the acceptable Japanese standard.[10]

Human-generated sources, such as coal plants, emit about half of atmospheric mercury, with natural sources such as volcanoes responsible for the remainder. An estimated two-thirds of human-generated mercury comes from stationary combustion, mostly of coal. Other important human-generated sources include gold production, nonferrous metal production, cement production, waste disposal, human crematoria, caustic soda production, pig iron and steel production, mercury production (mostly for batteries), and biomass burning.[11]

en.wikipedia.org

#68 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Quicksilver (liquid metallic mercury) is poorly absorbed by ingestion and skin contact. It is hazardous due to its potential to release mercury vapor. Animal data indicate less than 0.01% of ingested mercury is absorbed through the intact gastrointestinal tract, though it may not be true for individuals suffering from ileus. Cases of systemic toxicity from accidental swallowing are rare, and attempted suicide via intravenous injection does not appear to result in systemic toxicity.[18] Though not studied quantitatively, the physical properties of liquid elemental mercury limit its absorption through intact skin and in light of its very low absorption rate from the gastrointestinal tract, skin absorption would not be high.[19] Some mercury vapor is absorbed dermally, but uptake by this route is only about 1% of that by inhalation.[20]

en.wikipedia.org

Phester must have eaten a lot of tuna.

#69 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tuna noodle casseroles were on the table a lot, noone gave us free stuff back then..Work was the norm. So we had to eat what was affordable.

#70 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-03-03 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

A short clip about industrial mercury poisoning at Minamata Bay, Japan.
www.youtube.com

How Mercury Poisoning Affects the Brain
Uploaded on Feb 24, 2011
Presentation for my anatomy class.
www.youtube.com

#71 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here you go Nulli perhaps you can join this group!
www.nbcmiami.com

#72 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2013-03-03 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now should you eat it twice a day every day like the guy this retort is based on? No of course not, but a few meals a week is good for everyone, especially pregnant women, and children.

If fish is OK despite the mercury, why isn't it OK twice a day?

You can continue bashing people who challenge your premise and get bashed in return, which is a waste of time, but I'd rather talk about the idea that fish is healthy *but* you shouldn't eat it too often.

A lot of unhealthy stuff is touted that way. Eat red meat, but not too often! Drink wine, but only a glass a night! Fish is a health food. It should be edible every day for one or two meals. If we weren't polluting our planet with mercury, wouldn't it be safe to eat that often?

#73 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-03 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can continue bashing people who challenge your premise and get bashed in return, which is a waste of time, but I'd rather talk about the idea that fish is healthy *but* you shouldn't eat it too often.

A lot of unhealthy stuff is touted that way. Eat red meat, but not too often! Drink wine, but only a glass a night! Fish is a health food. It should be edible every day for one or two meals. If we weren't polluting our planet with mercury, wouldn't it be safe to eat that often?

#73 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-03 12:00 PM | Reply |

You're correct rcade (for once) that it's completely silly for all these sinners/reprobates/heathens wasting their time on this thread when if they only read the good book they would realize that the answer lies in "everything in moderation".

#74 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#73 Would you eat red meat twice a day for the rest of your life, and not expect complications? Everything should be done in moderation, and a variety in one's diet is best.

#76 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#73 Additionally if you watched the link, you'd learn that mercury is naturally occurring in the oceans. The Smithsonian analyzed some swordfish the had kept frozen since the 1800's and found it full of mercury

#77 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Would you eat red meat twice a day for the rest of your life, and not expect complications?

Based on what we know about red meat today, no. But why is fish now in the same category as red meat? Fish has been perceived (rightly) as health food. Now thanks to mercury contamination, we're hearing some talk about fish as if it was red meat. Doesn't that suggest to you something has gone wrong in our fish ecosystem?

People can't eat everything in moderation. Some things have to be staples of a healthy diet, and for many people fish have been one of those staples.

#78 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-03 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

One popular myth is that the amount of mercury in our environment (and in the fish we eat) is dangerously increasing. However, the truth is that there is considerable evidence that the amount of mercury in fish has remained the same (or even decreased) during the past 100 years.

One team of researchers from Duke University and the Los Angeles County Natural History Museum compared 21 specimens of Atlantic Ocean blue hake preserved during the 1880s with 66 similar fish caught in the 1970s. They found no change at all in the concentration of mercury.

In another study, Princeton scientists compared samples of yellowfin tuna from 1971 with samples caught in 1998. They expected to find a mercury increase of between 9 and 26 percent, but they found a small decline instead.

And in a unique experiment, curators of the Smithsonian Institution tested tuna samples that were archived between 1878 and 1909, and compared them with similar fish tissue from 1971 and 1993. They found significantly less mercury in the more recently caught fish. In some cases, the difference was more than 50 percent.

There's even some evidence that human beings are exposed to less mercury today than in the past. Alaska's Public Health Department, for example, reports that when the hair of eight 550-year-old Alaskan mummies was tested for mercury, the results showed levels averaging twice the blood-mercury concentration of today's Alaskans.

#80 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sources of Mercury Exposure for U.S. Seafood Consumers
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

#81 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Trace amounts

Another popular myth is that mercury in fish presents a serious health risk to Americans. Actually, the truth is that the best science suggests that the tiny amounts of mercury in fish aren't harmful at all.

A recent twelve-year study conducted in the Seychelles Islands (in the Indian Ocean) found no negative health effects from dietary exposure to mercury through heavy fish consumption. On average, people in the Seychelles Islands eat between 12 and 14 fish meals every week, and the mercury levels measured from the island natives are approximately ten times higher than those measured in the United States. Yet none of the studied Seychelles natives suffered any ill effects from mercury in fish, and they received the significant health benefits of fish consumption.

In November 2005, The American Journal of Preventive Medicine published new research from Harvard University that put the risk from fish-borne mercury in its proper context. Dr. Joshua Cohen, the study's lead author, summed up the issue for MedScape Medical News: "[W]e're talking about a very subtle effect of mercury … changes that would be too small to measure in individuals."
Benefits outweigh the risk

Finally, consumers are falsely led to believe that the health risk from mercury outweighs the health benefits of eating fish. On the contrary, the opposite is true.

Omega-3 fatty acids found in fish can decrease the risk of heart attacks, strokes, kidney disorders, Alzheimer's disease, breast cancer, prostate cancer, uterine cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, type-2 diabetes, low birth-weight, post-partum depression, and pre-term delivery. Partially because of the health scares surrounding mercury, Americans' intake of Omega-3 acids is 3 to 6 times lower than the levels recommended by the National Institutes of Health and the American Heart Association.

Harvard's Dr. Eric Rimm told The New York Times in 2004: "The message of fish being good has been lost, and people are learning more about the hypothetical scare of a contaminant than they are of the well-documented benefits."

A 2005 study published in Archives of Neurology showed that elderly people who eat fish at least once a week can slow their rate of mental decline by between 10 and 13 percent. Research published in the same journal in 2003 found that adults who consume fish once or more each week have a 60 percent lower risk of developing Alzheimer's disease. A 2004 study of children in Bristol, England showed that the children of pregnant women who consumed high amounts of fish scored higher on mental development tests. That same study found "no adverse developmental effects associated with mercury."

And studies published in the November 2005 American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that even eating small amounts of fish each week can result in a 17 percent lower risk of heart disease, a 12 percent lower risk of stroke, and (when eaten by pregnant women) a modest 1 to 8-point increase in children's IQ.

#82 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Omega-3 fatty acids found in fish can decrease the risk of heart attacks, strokes, kidney disorders, Alzheimer's disease, breast cancer, prostate cancer, uterine cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, type-2 diabetes, low birth-weight, post-partum depression, and pre-term delivery."

Horoscope for today: Mercury is in Uranus, which is good news for your health.

#83 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see the tables my links refer to are supported by...

U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Department of Health
and Human Services Dietary Guidelines

#84 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#82 | Posted by DavetheWave

You're trying to mess up their attempt to create a crisis that nobody should "let go to waste." Studies have found mercury present in fossils of fish that lived before man appeared on the scene. Certainly, we should curtail mercury pollution to the extent possible, but we'll NEVER get rid of all of it. The moral of the story is that we should reduce man's introduction of mercury into the waters as much as possible and we shouldn't pig out on fish regardless. Now, can we get back to the "cimate change" crisis and discuss how the Earth heats up and cools off like it has done for millinea and will continue to do so for more millinea regardless of what man does? (Not saying we can't reduce air pollution, just that man's effect on "climate change" is not as great as Algore and his cohorts say.)

"Mercury occurs naturally in the environment, and we all are exposed to very low levels of it. Typically, our bodies naturally eliminate this trace amount of natural mercury.

Most human intake of mercury occurs from eating fish or seafood containing a form of mercury called methylmercury. When mercury gets into waterbodies, it can be converted into methylmercury and enter the aquatic food chain, where it bioaccumulates in fish tissue. The magnitude of human exposure to methylmercury depends on the level of mercury in the fish consumed and the amount of fish consumed."

#85 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-03 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Davethewave,

Methyl mercury is volatile. Taking your post at face value, of course they found less mercury in fish samples that are over 100 years old. Evaporation, even in a freezer.

#86 | Posted by dibblda at 2013-03-03 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Play the video, the scare of mercury fare exceeds the risks, especially true for children and expecting mothers. Selenium in fish neutralizes the mercury. The benefits exceed the risks.

The LSM campaign against fish, pushing the fear factor, in reports like zat, does a great disservice to nutritional information.

Many would say "Why risk it". That's EXACTLY why should watch the video. And is exactly why I am on such a campaign against fear mongers like zat.

And I am backed up by the top Nat Inst of Health, NMFS, NOAA, and U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Department of Health
and Human Services Dietary Guidelines

#87 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-03 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

In 18th and 19th century England mercury was used in the production of felt, which was used in the manufacturing of hats common of the time. People who worked in these hat factories were exposed daily to trace amounts of the metal...
en.wikipedia.org

Posted by Zatoichi

sigh, yet another wiki-expert
those "trace amounts" you reference, were actually "massive amounts"

#88 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Play the video, "

Play my video, #57, Dave, or shut up about your stupid video.

#89 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mercury Toxicity
Author: David A Olson, MD; Chief Editor: Tarakad S Ramachandran, MBBS, FRCP(C), FACP
Organic mercury compounds, specifically methylmercury, are concentrated in the food chain. Fish from contaminated waters are the most common culprits. Industrial mercury pollution is often in the inorganic form, but aquatic organisms and vegetation in waterways such as rivers, lakes, and bays convert it to deadly methylmercury. Fish eat contaminated vegetation, and the mercury becomes biomagnified in the fish. Fish protein binds more than 90% of the consumed methylmercury so tightly that even the most vigorous cooking methods (eg, deep-frying, boiling, baking, pan-frying) cannot remove it. (See Etiology.)

For centuries, mercury was an essential part of many different medicines, such as diuretics, antibacterial agents, antiseptics, and laxatives. In the late 18th century, antisyphilitic agents contained mercury. It was during the 1800s that the phrase "mad as a hatter" was coined, owing to the effects of chronic mercury exposure in the hat-making industry, where the metal was used in the manufacturing process.
emedicine.medscape.com

Looks like a bad case of mercury poisoning.

#91 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-03 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Looks like a bad case of mercury poisoning."

Zat reminds me of a Flip Wilson episode decades ago when the first mercury scare was rampant. Flip was with another guy ordering in a restaurant and ordered fish. As he started eating it the other guy asked him if he was gonna eat it and went into a big spiel like Zat did above, ending up with, "In a few years there won't be anyone left alive." Flip told him "There'd be two people left alive...you and Ralph Nader."
I don't know what's gonna get all of us first, "climate change" or mercury in the fish. In either case, Zat and Algore will probably be the only two left alive.

#92 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-03 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Conservatives like RoadRunner and Wave are afraid to watch this video.

www.youtube.com
#59 | Posted by nullifidian

I did view portions of the gloom & doom vid you posted
their rant about peak oil seems odd as it was debunked some time ago, but I guess it is the narrative of gloom & doomers

btw, are you a gloom & doomer?

#93 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I did view portions of the gloom & doom vid you posted"

Sorry, unless you watch the entire video your opinions are null and void.

#94 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, unless you watch the entire video your opinions are null and void.

#94 | Posted by nullifidian

lol, is there a "cliffs notes" version?
btw, ya forgot to respond to the doomer-gloomer query

#95 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"btw, ya forgot to respond to the doomer-gloomer query"

Why would I respond to a content-free query?

#96 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would I respond to a content-free query?

#96 | Posted by nullifidian

if you are a gloomer-doomer you should WELCOME so-called fossil fuel production & use.
the quicker we use it up, the sooner we would be FORCED to find a sustainable replacement

those who starve or freeze would simply be victims of mother nature's "natural selection"

those to be conquered by China are simply results of mother nature's "survival of the strongest"

etc, etc, etc... all scenarios are good for gloomer-doomers

#97 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"all scenarios are good for gloomer-doomers"

What is a "gloomer doomer"? Is that some dumb rightwinger that thinks a trivial budget cut for the Pentagon will leave the U.S. empire defenseless against an invasion by Venezuela?

#98 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is a "gloomer doomer"? Is that some dumb rightwinger that thinks a trivial budget cut for the Pentagon will leave the U.S. empire defenseless against an invasion by Venezuela?

#98 | Posted by nullifidian

well the experts in your vid claimed petrol production peaked in 1976 - all downhill from there
oops, claimed again in 1984
oops, claimed again in 1993
oops, claimed again in 2000
oops, claimed again on ya 2007 gloomer-doomer movie

NOW in 2013, we find ourselves w LARGER reserves than total of ALL oil that was ever extracted...
old abandoned & capped wells, full and producing again

- what would a "critical thinker" think of this?
an honest mistake?
a fool's narrative?
a scam?
all of the above?

#99 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"what would a "critical thinker" think of this?"

Well I certainly wouldn't ask you.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Peak oil was surpassed long ago in the U.S., and probably globally as well. Abundant supplies of vastly inferior replacements like shale oil and tar sands with horrible EROI values mixed with massive environmental destruction doesn't change the equation.

#100 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is Roadrunner's vision for America...

blog.amnestyusa.org

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Before and after...what DavetheWave wants for humanity's homeland...

ecooptimism.com

#102 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-03 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only thing that matters is that the richest people get richer. If you or your children have to die prematurely for that, its just tough.

#104 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-04 07:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

[...] Since when have I ever been for pollution, destruction, anti environment?

Most arm chair QB have no idea how much hunters and fisherman support game preserves, catch limits, bag limits, size limits...all geared towards sustainability of the species/wild. [...]

#105 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-04 07:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

#105 | Posted by DavetheWave

Thanks for your comments, Dave, but I cannot respond until you watch the link I provided. Are you afraid of the truth, Dave?

www.youtube.com

#106 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-04 08:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

[...] I watched some of your video. You have to be kidding me.

[...] Do you watch alex jones a lot? It's the same POV as Zat only much worse. You grasp on one idea, and refuse any and all evidence to the contrary. Once finally proven wrong, you tap dance away to another irrelevant idea....never acknowldeging you were wrong and how that affects your overall conclusions.

In other words, raving lunatics.

And that's too bad, cause you sometimes post some interesting links re financial crisis.

#107 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-04 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

" I watched some of your video."

Sorry, Dave, but you need to watch every second of the video, including the credits, before I can respond.

#108 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-04 08:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh that's powerful! "Let's build a boat".

You are certifiable......as I said do you also go by jeffindenmark?

#109 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-04 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Air blogging.

#110 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-04 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

From the NIH Web site

NIEHS, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have studied the physiological effects of methylmercury, a common form of organic mercury (mercury combined with carbon), on humans via fish consumption. Although fish and shellfish have many nutritional benefits, consuming large quantities of fish increases a person's exposure to mercury. Pregnant women who eat fish high in mercury on a regular basis run the risk of permanently damaging their developing fetuses. Children born to these mothers may exhibit motor difficulties, sensory problems and cognitive deficits.

To educate the public on mercury's toxic affects, the FDA and EPA released a consumer advisory in 2004 that recommends that young children, women who are pregnant or who may become pregnant and nursing mothers should avoid fish that contain high levels of methylmercury, such as Shark, Swordfish, King Mackerel and Tilefish. Instead, they should eat up to 12 ounces (two average meals) a week of a variety of fish and shellfish that contain lower concentrations of methylmercury. Five of the most common "low-mercury" fish are shrimp, canned light tuna, salmon, pollock and catfish.

www.niehs.nih.gov

#111 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-04 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I feel like charging you for the time you wasted for me

#112 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-04 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said that like 70 posts ago. BUT what is lost in that food advisory, is the health benefits of eating fish. Mother,s out of precaution, avoid fish after hearing the warning.

The benefits far outweigh the risks, but yeah shark sword tile king mackerel should be avoided.

#113 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-04 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't like fish.

I only eat lobster and Crab. Sometimes I have the wife make Salmon Patties but that's about the extent of it.

Every now and then I will pull out the deep fryer and we will coat some flounder and fry them.

#114 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sometimes I have the wife make Salmon Patties

You just think that's salmon.

Pig Rectum poses as calamari
chowhound.chow.com

Maybe pork is lower in Hg?

#115 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-04 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I trust Chicken of the sea!

#116 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I only eat lobster and Crab."

That's what you think.

I have eaten langosta I caught myself;
Boiled in sea water on the beach;
It was 43 years ago next Summer.
Little Lameshur Bay, St Johns.

#117 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-04 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

recetasdelujo.com

#118 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-03-04 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eh, I wouldnt know what to eat and what to throw away. I remember visiting my uncle as a child. He would go an buy batches of crabs. We would boil them whole. He would open the shell and throw away this and that (mustard) is all I remember not to eat.

#119 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-05 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

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