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Charlie Cook, National Journal: A recent poll by the Pew Research Center attracted a great deal of attention because it found that 62 percent of respondents agreed with the statement that the Republican Party was "out of touch with the American people"; only 33 percent disagreed. Even 36 percent of Republicans thought their party was out of touch. Sixty-five percent of independents also held that view, and, unsurprisingly, 77 percent of Democrats. By 52 percent to 42 percent, Americans said the Republican Party was "too extreme." Conversely, only 39 percent saw the Democratic Party as too extreme, while 56 percent did not. As Republicans enter this month of budget battles, their leaders seem keenly aware of these numbers. Among rank-and-file GOP members of Congress, itÂÂÂÂ's a different story.

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People's political preferences start off in a fluid, almost liquid state. Over time, attitudes start to jell and, eventually, if the process is uninterrupted, gradually turn solid and very difficult to change. This holds true to a certain extent among all voters, but it particularly applies to young people. Americans tend to develop their political philosophy and partisan leanings in their teens and 20s; once they get into their 30s, they are less likely to change, and into their 40s and beyond, even less likely. That's why we have generational voting patterns. Americans who grew up during the Great Depression vote differently from baby boomers. Those voters who came of age politically during the Carter-Reagan presidencies have tended to vote pretty strongly Republican. Will those growing up in the next cohort swing strongly in the other direction?

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The GOP isrn

(A) out of touch, 0 votes (0%)
(B) extreme, 0 votes (0%)
(C) out of touch and extreme, 6 votes (46.15%)
(D) fookin nuts, 3 votes (23.08%)
(E) doing very well, thank you very miuch, 2 votes (15.38%)
(F)perfectly poised to latch onto edgier positions to attract more marginal personality types, 2 votes (15.38%)

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"Of course, one poll isn't a trend," Cook points out. "Heck, two or three don't really make a trend, but given today's pulsating political dynamics, this measurement is worth watching."

The "lean" metric allows us to see the bottom-line impact on the public's perception of the parties, a more significant finding than polling results that can be influenced by a question's wording -- when, for example, various pollsters ask which party should be "blamed" or held "more responsible" for layoffs or government shutdowns. The media tend to give such charged questions a great deal of prominence, drawing grand conclusions that may or may not be backed up by more durable data.

Democrats had an 8 percentage point advantage in pure party identification for all of Pew's 2012 polling: 33 percent called themselves Democrats, and 25 percent said they were Republicans. The current 14-point gap in leaned party identification, 51 percent leaned identification for Democrats, 37 percent for Republicans, is sobering. This is wider than what we are used to, and if the trend continues, it means the bone damage is burrowing toward the marrow.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-02 07:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Cook is understandably curious about the possibility of longterm impact.

People's political preferences start off in a fluid, almost liquid state. Over time, attitudes start to jell and, eventually, if the process is uninterrupted, gradually turn solid and very difficult to change. This holds true to a certain extent among all voters, but it particularly applies to young people. Americans tend to develop their political philosophy and partisan leanings in their teens and 20s; once they get into their 30s, they are less likely to change, and into their 40s and beyond, even less likely. That's why we have generational voting patterns. Americans who grew up during the Great Depression vote differently from baby boomers. Those voters who came of age politically during the Carter-Reagan presidencies have tended to vote pretty strongly Republican. Will those growing up in the next cohort swing strongly in the other direction?

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-02 07:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Cook: GOP Faces Possible Existential Threat"

'Kook: GOP Faces Possible Existential Threat'

FTFY

#3 | Posted by KBM at 2013-03-02 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by KBM

Translation into relevance:

"No, I really can't answer what it is Charlie Cook's saying here. And anyway, what does the term 'existential threat" mean? Albert Camus is dead, y'know."

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-02 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is good news----politics move in cycles like assets and many other areas. The rethug party should just stay on message and ultimately give demonrats all control. They'll eventually shoot themselves in their foot---good example is obamacare which with time is and will implode. Keep the articles coming, doc; it's encouraging.

#5 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

I fully understand your position, Matsop: narrow partisanship over broader and more important societal, national, and cultural concerns.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-02 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | Posted by matsop

Patience, everybody just observe patience.

"Many argue the coalition that elected and re-elected Barack Obama represents a long-term shift in the electorate that will determine elections and public policies for generations. Some of commentators think conservatives have lost their relevance, and the Republicans are about to go the way of the Whigs.

It's an interesting theory, but of course it's wrong. Politics, like much in life, tends to move like a pendulum, shifting back and forth around equilibrium. While the liberal Democratic coalition is ascendant now, a few decades ago people were speaking about the decline of the Democrats. More recently, leftists took to calling themselves "progressives" to avoid what was seen as the pejorative term "liberal." And just over two years ago, the Democrats took a drubbing in the midterm elections. Today, with the real-time flow of unfiltered information via blogs, YouTube, Facebook, FB +1.94% Twitter, etc., and more Americans self-identifying as independents and able to shift their support rapidly to either party, lasting coalitions will be difficult to maintain.

But the primary reason today's liberal Democratic coalition will fade is because the very policies it pushes sow the seeds of its own destruction. The coalition can survive over time only by allocating slices of our nation's economic pie in a way that favors and placates its constituent members. But people, being human, will continually want larger slices of our economic resources, so continued success in placating those members, while at the same time adding the necessary new members, requires a continuing and ever-growing economy. A flat or shrinking economy will never generate the resources needed to feed the coalition.

Yet the White House and congressional Democrats are working to stifle economic growth. From their views on taxes and redistribution, to their policies on energy and regulation, liberal Democrats are standing in the way of the strong economy their coalition needs."

#7 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-02 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Two of the passages from the article I found most interesting...

"More recently, leftists took to calling themselves "progressives" to avoid what was seen as the pejorative term "liberal."

"But people, being human, will continually want larger slices of our economic resources, so continued success in placating those members, while at the same time adding the necessary new members, requires a continuing and ever-growing economy."

online.wsj.com

We can see the truth in the second statement by reviewing the the State of the Union address and the growth of existing programs that are abject failures. Head Start is just one of them and now they want another called "Early Start." Soon they'll propose one called "Start at Conception." These allow for full endoctrination so we can have a nation of "progressive" zombies in a generation or two. They have persued this objective for many decades and here is the PROOF!

www.youtube.com

#8 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-02 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

As the middle class feels the pain of Reaganomics squeezing tighter and tighter it will crumble much more quickly than anyone expects. The Tea Party is the last grasp to hold on and increasingly those folks are realizing the GOP is not interested in an economy that helps them.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

"As the middle class feels the pain of Reaganomics squeezing tighter..."

Ahhh...danni is up now and has started her day preaching her tenet #3 to us.

Danni tenet #3...Blame Reagan/Bush!

#10 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-02 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...those folks are realizing the GOP is not interested in an economy that helps them."

Oh, yes, she's giving us a dose of her tenet #2 for starters also:

Danni tenet #2-Republicans...BAD!

#11 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-02 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes Republican Party of 2013 very bad. These days even many Republicans agree.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-02 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

As the article says more and more Americans of all parties and even Independents are agreeing with me.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-02 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

As the article says more and more Americans of all parties and even Independents are agreeing with me.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-02 12:04 PM | Reply

Being the contrarian (investments) that I am, Danni's statement reveals that we're getting close to the pendulum swinging the other way. Usually, most people have a herd mentality like Doc and Danni and others----when I see that herd all moving in lock-step in investments I go the other way to pick up the unloved. When the herd gets crushed they pick up their near lifeless physical protoplasm and head the opposite way----time has a way of dealing with the naive, cult-followers, and mis-informed.

#14 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-02 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I go the other way to pick up the unloved.
#14 | Posted by matsop

You sound like a creepy old gent cruising Sunset Boulevard late of a Saturday night.

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-02 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Being that the won most of the states it doesnt sound correct to me

#16 | Posted by tmaster at 2013-03-02 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

More recently, leftists took to calling themselves "progressives" to avoid what was seen as the pejorative term "liberal."

more recently Republicans took to calling themselves conservatives" to avoid what was seen as the pejorative term "Republican".

See Artist Formerly Know as Bush Lover Two who now claims he always knew Dubya was a closet librul. And our resident Gingichite who claims he is impartial.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-03-02 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like an appropriate time for progressives to end the notion of individual freedom once and for all. If the poll is correct, the US is at the point where the desires of the individual can legally be suppressed in the interest of the kollektiv.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-03-02 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

One can only pray the political pendulum does swing back - as right now the overall pendulum is so far to the right that Barry Goldwater would be a raving liberal, Reagan a democrat, and the person currently called the most radical liberal president ever is implementing right wing Heritage Foundation plans for healthcare and waging wars like a neocon hawk.

One can only hope the republicans go the way of the whigs, as they have moved the goalposts off the edge of the Earth by now, and we really are due some pendulum swing-back. Just can't imagine the Republican screaming if we got someone along the lines of FDR or a real trustbuster in office at this point.

#19 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-02 11:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni's statement reveals that we're getting close to the pendulum swinging the other way.

But first, you'd have to accept the liberal/scientific consensus that gravity is what causes pendulums to swing back.

I'm not sure you want to go there, man. You're getting awfully cozy with known liars and their lies. Lies, straight from the pit of Hell.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-03-03 12:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Expecting the government to produce and pass a budget and live within its means is totally out of touch.

#21 | Posted by bph320 at 2013-03-03 01:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hee hee! Lefties always scorn a Fox story as if the source 'proves' misinformation.
This linked article is from the left and nothing but the left National Journal.
The 'truth,' right?

#22 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 01:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

So by out of touch are they saying they don't want them to raise taxes and they want more cuts?

By out of touch are they saying they wanted Obama impeached and the GOP wont do it?

Without any explanation of why the study is worthless.

#23 | Posted by tmaster at 2013-03-03 07:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Q.E.D.

#24 | Posted by Doc_sarvis at 2013-03-03 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Damn repuberkins is outta touch cuz yall don't hang by fishhooks in yer back and you like people that work.
~libs

#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-03-03 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Let me guess, the question went like this; the GOP would like to take food from starving children, lower thermostats to 42 in elderly housing and use kittens for target practice, do you approve of their performance?

#26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2013-03-03 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

You'd like to think that's how the question was phrased, but that's because you can't handle the truth.

#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-03-03 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like an appropriate time for progressives to end the notion of individual freedom once and for all.

I think progressives are just going back to the "all men are created equal, with certain unalienable rights" while conservatives have gone back to "God created the nobility (wealthy) and it's out Christian duty to obey". Feudal, except they also have no interest in being knights.

#28 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-03-03 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

We hate a hardworking successful honest religious businessman and anyone that don't agree with us and toady up is "outta step"
~the left

#29 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-03-03 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

The majority of children never like to take their ill tasting cough syrup when sick. The majority of Americans are like that---the reason they are a majority is they are easily duped, don't want to do what's responsible since it would be painful, and don't like the truth. It's always easier to live in a fantasy world and escape from reality. Just look at some of Doc Starveus' and northgal's post. They're great representatives for the majority.

#30 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-03 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think progressives are just going back to the "all men are created equal, with certain unalienable rights" while conservatives have gone back to "God created the nobility (wealthy) and it's out Christian duty to obey". Feudal, except they also have no interest in being knights.

#28 | Posted by northguy3

hmm, if that's so why do the progressives then seek to mandate what we eat, what size soda we drink, what car we drive, thermostat temperature setting, size of paycheck, etc?

while the "right" simply wants to pay a fair tax and be left alone?

#31 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-03-03 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

And yet Barry threatens no meat inspectors, fewer,ATC controllers, fewer first responders, Bla, Bla Bla,Bla Bla, and yet the Swift Boat Ketchup Secretary is giving $250 Million to the Muslim Bros. in the Valley of the Kings. I think the Libs are only in touch with the prostates of the taxpayers.

#32 | Posted by bph320 at 2013-03-03 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh I almost forgot about the 200 tanks and F16s we are sending to the Egyptians courtesy of the taxpayers.

#33 | Posted by bph320 at 2013-03-03 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sad to see all of the 'scare tactics' than a form of leadership from Oboner..certainly speaks for his lack of negotiating skills...ten minute meetings will not resolve the problem... the right certainly has it's problems, but the world laughs at a spineless leader who can only taunt people rather than find a element of maturity..

#34 | Posted by drsoul at 2013-03-04 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

As the middle class feels the pain of Reaganomics

Reagan is still president?

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tinkle Down on You Voodoo Reaganomics is still King, yes.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-04 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well Corky,

I went to the bum on the corner near a store and asked for some "trickle up" money..

Instead he asked ME for a hand out...Your theory isn't working out that well..

#37 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have we had 170 million lose their jobs yet? The unemployment report coming out on Friday should be safe for February.

#38 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-04 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are confused again.

www.google.com

You could education yourself on this, but I won't hold my breath.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-04 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

@39 was for Major Boaz, not Private Nuisance.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-04 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky,

Ok, so, of the bottom 47% have no money and don't want to be taxed because it will hurt them, where is the money coming from? You have told me that the poor have no money. WTF?

Trickle down does work, just not:

1. As fast as the poor want
2. In sufficient quantity as the poor want.

Govt can fix all that, with taxing at the point of a gun, right Corky?

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Trickle down does work,

Of course it does. Cue the banjo.

#42 | Posted by 726 at 2013-03-04 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like I figured, reading up on the subject to educate yourself is just too much hard werk.

You can start here:

www.theatlantic.com

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-04 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Trickle up does work.

Cue the crazy farm.

And we have to agree, its either or. The money flows somewhere. And quite frankly, the money at the bottom is being spend on systems the people at the top thought up. Now, nothing stops the people at the bottom from thinking up better systems, but they don't, which is why they are on the bottom.

In return, the people at the top spend on innovation and continue to create the things that make the people on the bottom's life better, which they continue to want at evermore automated and in bigger slices unearned by them.

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky,

Unlike most of the liberal drones you talk to at your local starbucks, I am educated and I can filter through your left leaning mags.

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2013-03-04 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see this job requires a bigger hammer...

"Supply-side economics, often referred to as trickle-down economics, asserts among other things that tax cuts for the wealthy will increase aggregate investment, spurring economic growth with concomitant job creation.

Over three decades of empirical evidence suggests this theory doesn't work. The following seven graphs depict the theory's failure by comparing time periods where supply-side economics prevailed (1980s and 2000s supply-side eras) with a non-supply-side era (1990s)."

www.decisionsonevidence.com

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-04 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Fed's expansive monetary policy of bond purchases to maintain negative real interest rates continues 3.5 years into the recovery. Of course, the reason for the Fed's negative interest rates is not to boost the economy but to boost asset values on the books of "banks too big to fail."

The low interest rates raise the prices of the mortgage-backed derivatives and other assets on the banks' balance sheets at the expense of interest income for retirees on their savings accounts, money market funds, and Treasury bonds.

Despite declining job opportunities for Americans, Republicans in Congress are sponsoring bills to enlarge the number of foreigners that corporations can bring in on work visas. The large corporations claim that they cannot find enough skilled Americans. This is one of the most obvious of a constant stream of lies that we are told.

Foreign hires are not additions to the work force, but replacements. Corporations force their American employees to train the foreigners, and then the American employees are discharged. Obviously, if skilled employees were in short supply, they would not be laid off. Moreover, if the skills were in short supply, salaries would be bid up, not down, and the 36% of those who graduated in 2011 with a doctorate degree in engineering would not be unemployed.

By focusing on the bottom line at all costs, corporations are destroying the US consumer market. Offshoring jobs reduces labor costs and raises profits, but it also reduces domestic consumer income, thus reducing the domestic market for the corporation's products. Today the stock market is high not profits from expanding sales revenues, but from labor cost savings.

John Maynard Keynes made it clear long ago, as has Greece today, that trying to reduce the ratio of debt to GDP by austerity measures doesn't work.

Among the countries in the world the US is in a unique position. It not only has its own central bank to provide the money necessary to finance the government's deficit, but also the US dollar, is the world's reserve currency used to settle international accounts among all nations and, thus, always in demand.

The US has become an import-dependent economy subject to domestic inflation when the currency loses exchange value.

Corporate focus profits has disconnected US incomes from the production of the goods and services that those incomes consume, ultimately destroying the domestic consumer market. The Fed's focus on saving banks, which mindless deregulation allowed to become "too big to fail," has created a bond market bubble of negative real interest rates and a dollar bubble in which the dollar's exchange rate has not declined in keeping with the large increase in its supply. Both Corporations and the Fed have created a stock market bubble based on profits obtained the substitution of cheaper foreign labor for US labor and from banks speculating with the money that the Fed is providing to them.

This situation is unsustainable. Sooner or later something will pop these bubbles, and the consequences will be horrendous.

#47 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-04 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

BUT...Obummer is in touch....

According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.

DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP).
homeland security mrap

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected' vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

#48 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2013-03-04 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

62% Think Republicans 'Out of Touch'

Who posted this idiotic article?

Why is this crap on the front page?

Of course Democrats are going to say that!!!

They are on the defensive because 100% of Conservatives say that Obama Administration is out of touch with the American people.

#49 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-04 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

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