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The House passed a Senate-approved version of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act Thursday in a 286-138 vote, with 87 GOP lawmakers voting yes, 138 Republicans voting no and all Democrats and independents supporting the legislation. "The Violence Against Women Act has long ensured that no woman would ever be forced to suffer in silence in the face of domestic violence and abuse," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). "Today, a bipartisan majority of the House joined the Senate in reaffirming our pledge to America's women and families, strengthening this landmark law, extending protection to LGBT Americans, Native Americans, and immigrants, and preserving the security of all women."

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"Domestic violence is an issue that, sadly, affects all of our communities," Castro, D-Texas, wrote in a statement after the bill passed. "It is our duty to protect the victims of domestic violence and work to ensure that perpetrators are brought to justice."

You mean we don't have laws now that protect people from violence?

#1 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-28 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Over more than two decades, this law has saved countless lives and transformed the way we treat victims of abuse," President Obama wrote in a statement after the vote. "Renewing this bill is an important step towards making sure no one in America is forced to live in fear, and I look forward to signing it into law as soon as it hits my desk."

obama and the authoritarian liberals at their best! And for some reason this law is going to make the violent offenders change their ways from what our laws say now.

Talk about political waste!!!

#2 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-28 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beohner offered a more draconian GOP Bill and this one as an excuse to bring it to the Floor, and got the 3rd bipartisan Bill they have passed this year without a majority of the Majority Republicans.

The fiscal cliff and legislation to extend Superstorm Sandy aid were the others.

Being a minority Speaker is hard werk. Which is why, they say we don't have a sequester bill... he would lose his Speakership if he dared bring it to the Floor.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah...damngummint indyun sovern an everthang..who cres if feminazis git cuffed aroun....

#4 | Posted by badgerwest at 2013-02-28 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone know what this bill actually does? I mean, before this bill was it legal to smack your wife around?

#5 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-02-28 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Isn't violence against anyone already a crime in most parts of the country?

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-28 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Isn't violence against anyone already a crime in most parts of the country?"

Yes, the point is to make violence against cerain people more punishable than violence against others.

#7 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-28 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Act provides $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposes automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allows civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave unprosecuted.

The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. Male victims of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking may also be covered.[1]"

en.wikipedia.org

"Every single day in America three women die at the hands of domestic violence. Yet this Congress allowed the Violence Against Women Act to expire more than 500 days ago," Democratic Caucus chairman Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., said on the House floor shortly before the vote. "The failure or reluctance of this House to do its work for the American people seems to have now become business as usual. This should not be the new normal."

"Over more than two decades, this law has saved countless lives and transformed the way we treat victims of abuse," President Obama wrote in a statement after the vote. "Renewing this bill is an important step towards making sure no one in America is forced to live in fear, and I look forward to signing it into law as soon as it hits my desk."

thread article link quote

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point was to make crimes that go under-prosecuted because of lack of funding prosecutable.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point was to make crimes that go under-prosecuted because of lack of funding prosecutable.

Corky,

That doesnt even make sense.

I wonder why all those people who went to jail for domestic abuse actually went to jail. Anyone? Is it because assaulting someone is already against the law?

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-28 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, the point is to make violence against cerain people more punishable than violence against others.

Why? Is a man less of a person that he doesnt deserve the same justice as a Transgender?

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-28 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

""Every single day in America three women die at the hands of domestic violence. "

Also known as patriarchy, something endorsed by the "Holy Bible," Mr. Becerra.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-28 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Act provides $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women

#$&#( they just can't stop spending can they?

#13 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-02-28 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's because domestic abuse victims are usually women and the abuse often goes unreported (out of fear) or unprosecuted until, well, until 3 woman a day die of it.

Republicans have tried for years to defund it, and in this Congress kept from renewing it for as long as possible.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 Of course, the old Hebrews were one of few ancient peoples whose ruling authority also ran through the female lines, but let's not cloud the issue with facts.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Betcha this bill doesn't do jack-squat to reduce crime against women or anybody else for that matter. $1.6 Billion? WTF?

Spending tax payers money=Liberal crack

#16 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-02-28 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Typical identity politics from the Demowussies. It's the only thing that separates them from Rethuglicans, so they always play that card.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-28 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 You might want to actually read this link. Unless you have no mother, daughter, sister, etc.

en.wikipedia.org

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You might want to actually read this link. Unless you have no mother, daughter, sister, etc."

Oh there we go again. If it's not "think of the children!" it's "think of the females!" Same old demagoguery.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-28 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19 Same old curmudgery.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Still doesn't answer the question, we have laws for violence, why are we making laws that make it more punishable for certain people and not others?

Just another authoritarian liberal downing our civil rights.

Praise obama and the slow removal of our rights one segment of discrimination at a time.

#21 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-28 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#21 |Read/learn

www.ethicsdaily.com

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-28 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am curious....When a man is falsely accused of domestic violence against a woman (as many many are) is he then considered a victim of "domestic violence" with all the inherent protections?

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-28 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am curious....When a man is falsely accused of domestic violence against a woman (as many many are) is he then considered a victim of "domestic violence" with all the inherent protections?

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-28 08:22 PM

Not to just pull numbers out of my ass or anything like that, but my experience is that for every man falsely accused of dv, there are 100 women who get the crap beaten out of them and it never gets reported to the cops. It seems that every time we have a guy in court facing his first charge of dv that it turns out he has been thumping the same woman for years and years and it has never been reported.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-28 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

And it's your job to try to spring the guy free on a technicality, so he can do it again.

What a glorious system we have going here.

#25 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-28 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

And it's your job to try to spring the guy free on a technicality, so he can do it again.

What a glorious system we have going here.

#25 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-28 08:38 PM

You obviously watch too many TV shows like Law & Order. At this point I don't even know what a "technicality" even is anymore.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-28 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

My mistake. I thought your job was to defend criminals and get them a reduced sentence, or--if you do a really great job--no jail time at all. An acquittal.

#27 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-28 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not to just pull numbers out of my ass or anything like that, but my experience is that for every man falsely accused of dv, there are 100 women who get the crap beaten out of them and it never gets reported to the cops.

Domestic Violence is a complex issue and I am not saying there is not a lot of violence against women going on and that something should be done about it. But, there are male victims also. Are we just to ignore them because there are a lot of female victims?

We need changes in the law to also curb false allegations.

Each year two million Americans -- many of them dads -- are falsely accused of domestic violence. And many of these persons are arrested for a "crime" they never committed!

www.saveservices.org

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-28 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"My mistake. I thought your job was to defend criminals "

Your first mistake was thinking, judging by this post.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-28 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently. I thought he was a public defender. I didn't realize he actually prosecuted the woman beaters he was referring to in #24. Apologies.

#30 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-28 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | Posted by uglyblinddate

Hey, I like pouncing on Moder8 as much as the next guy but you need a serious reeducation. Assuming you ever had one.

His job as a defense attorney is to make damn sure that you, when your ass is in a sling, get every ounce of due process and protection afforded by state and federal statutes and Constitutions. Should you ever require those services you will be damn glad they are there and may you be so lucky as to have someone as conscientious as he to defend you.

#31 | Posted by et_al at 2013-02-28 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I'm guilty, I should be willing to do the time. If I'm innocent, it'll be money well spent to buy the services of someone intelligent.

#32 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-28 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

just to be clear I should have said...."and that something shouldn't be done about it."

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-28 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why didn't they call the law the Violence Against Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered, Native Americans (All Classifications Except Straight Male Injuns), Immigrants As Well as Normal Women Act?

#34 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-28 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

This bill has done a lot of good. It funds domestic violence prevention programs, victim hotlines and legal aid programs and protects victims from being evicted because of events related to domestic violence. It also imposes a federal rape shield law to prevent a victim's past sexual behavior from being dragged into court when her attacker is on trial.

Women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence and rape. It is a worthy cause for Congress to direct additional funds towards fighting these problems. Male victims of domestic violence are covered by many of its provisions as well.

#35 | Posted by rcade at 2013-03-01 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point was to make crimes that go under-prosecuted because of lack of funding prosecutable.

o.O

It also imposes a federal rape shield law to prevent a victim's past sexual behavior from being dragged into court when her attacker is on trial.

[...] Besides, that whole rape shield sure worked out well for the duke lacross guys.

#36 | Posted by Axiom at 2013-03-01 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

But, but, but...I thought men, women, gays, lesbians, dogs, cats,...were all equal.

The truth is that the original bill did do some good in at least giving a financial incentive to jurisdictions to go ahead and pursue he said/she said domestic accusations. But it has evolved into nothing more than a budget augmentation.

#37 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2013-03-01 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

More men are raped in prison than women outside every year, but there will never be a violence against men bill passed.

#38 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-01 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

More men are raped in prison than women outside every year, but there will never be a violence against men bill passed.

#38 | Posted by nutcase

Reliable citation? Because my impression is that while prison rape does occur, it is hyped completely out of proportion by urban legend.

#39 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-03-01 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

More men are raped in prison than women outside every year, but there will never be a violence against men bill passed.

#38 | Posted by nutcase

Reliable citation? Because my impression is that while prison rape does occur, it is hyped completely out of proportion by urban legend.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-03-01 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Because my impression is that while prison rape does occur, it is hyped completely out of proportion by urban legend."

How much time have you spent in the pokey?

#41 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-01 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I talk to people five days a week who have been to prison. They talk a lot about gang violence. But the rape stories are usually confined to a few 'targeted' individuals.

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-03-01 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But the rape stories are usually confined to a few 'targeted' individuals."

There is always a bit of shame involved. I wouldn't be surprised that it's happened to or been done by some of your clients but they're too ashamed to admit it or don't want to further incriminate themselves. And then there's probably those who acquiesce to the act as a means of avoiding even greater violence.

#44 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-01 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Federal Statistics Show Widespread Prison Rape

#45 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-01 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Violence, always violence. From infancy, Americans are conditioned to enjoy violence, then lured or pressured to support it at every stage of life. Merely by voting, Americans sanction carnage against foreigners, and to have a healthy stock portfolio, one should also invest in mass murder. Even holding onto to a job can mean implicit or explicit participation gratuitous violence. Let's say you're an honest and mild-mannered cop, but if your colleagues were kicking a prone suspect, LAPD style, you'd arouse suspicion and ridicule for not joining in. What are you, a snitch? Who do you think you are, Christopher Dorner? And in war, massacres and mass rapes are initiation rites and bonding rituals, what bonafide heroes indulge in, for to abstain is to be a [...]. What are you, a snitch? Who do you think you are, Bradley Manning?"

www.counterpunch.org

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-01 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46 | Posted by nullifidian

Thanks for that link. I was having a bad day and now it's a bad and depressing day.

#47 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-01 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Women are their excuse... its PIG violence against white men.

#48 | Posted by reitze at 2013-03-01 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure Republicans want to keep women in binders. They don't want them having the right to choose. But when it come to house work,republicans are willing to have them work.

#49 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-03-02 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Every one is equal, but some people are more equal than others. Those more equal people should get special laws, benefits, funds, protections, but they are still equal. Just more equal than others....

#50 | Posted by aescal at 2013-03-02 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Separate but equal? Hmmmm time to eliminate the separate bathroom for women/men.

Be careful sitting down after that cause women piss on the seat more than men ever did. Mostly on the bottom side of the lid but it gets on your cheeks if you sit there without checking and wiping.

#51 | Posted by reitze at 2013-03-02 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24 Is the actual truth. And therein lies the problem. The bigger the issue you make of this, the less likely a woman is going to press charges.

Make it a felony? There will be even less reported cases. Sad truth of the matter.

#52 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-02 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

You might want to actually read this link. Unless you have no mother, daughter, sister, etc."

Oh there we go again. If it's not "think of the children!" it's "think of the females!" Same old demagoguery.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian a

well said !

#53 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-03 01:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Because my impression is that while prison rape does occur, it is hyped completely out of proportion by urban legend"

My property tax bill belies that assertion, Moder8.

#54 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-03-03 03:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

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