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The US was more reliant on the Middle East for its oil imports last year, underscoring the critical importance of the politically unstable region for the country despite the growing energy independence its shale gas revolution is bringing, the Financial Times reports. While domestic production increased the most in 150 years last year, Washington will confirm later this week that oil imports from the Gulf region continued to rise.

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#1 | Posted by KBM at 2013-02-26 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

"the growing energy independence its shale gas revolution is bringing."

Hahahaha. What a fraud. You could strip-mine the entire country and provide "energy independence" for a few years at best.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-26 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

What difference does it make where the oil comes from when the oil that is extracted here is not ours but owned by multinational corporations? The price is set on the international market and the only benefit we might get from more locally sourced oil is through lower transportation costs. We could employ people of course but that benefit should be placed in context of the environmental devastation of local extraction in ANWR and of shale oil and the cap on corporate liability for paying for cleaning up after disaster spills.

#3 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-02-26 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Warning: Do not click on Goatman's incompetent thread link. You have to register to read the article and it crashed my browser twice.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-26 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

George Bush's fault!!

#5 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-26 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't crash my browser but I don't subscribe. I'd love to read it and then comment but...

I think it is an interesting notion. Keep in mind this - we import oil process it and then export it. Did the article cover that? Just don't know. Even though we can't seem to keep enough refineries online to keep gas prices from spiking 30%. It is funny that we need more refineries, since we have the capacity for exporting...

I guess I am feeling extra sarcastically ironic today.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2013-02-26 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is there a graph somewhere showing the uptick of editorials against fracking related to the increased imports?

#7 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-26 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Middle East dependent on Foreign Food

#8 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2013-02-27 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's because it's still cheaper to but it, than produce it.

#9 | Posted by bat4255 at 2013-02-27 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

PYSS on the Canadian/Texas oil line!! It only makes VP Cheney richer!!
~the left

#10 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-27 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Warning: Clicking on the thread link may crash your browser.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-27 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

This link may work better.

www.ft.com

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2013-02-27 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Reducing our dependence on foreign oil, one recession at a time."
-Barack Obama

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2013-02-27 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Reducing hatred for the US in the Middle East, one drone strike at a time."
-Barack Obama

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2013-02-27 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The US was more reliant on the Middle East for its oil imports last year,..."

An excellent advertisement for abloshing the Department of Energy which was formed in the 70's for the purposing of decreasing our dependence on foreign oil. At that time, about 30% of our oil came from foreign sources, now it's about 70% and the department of Energy has grown in numbers of people and a budget of billions of dollars. If it isn't doing what it was created for, why do we still have it?

#15 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-27 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

This link may work better.

www.ft.com

Nope, crashed my browser again. 3 strikes you're out, and I'm outta of this thread.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-27 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

PYSS on the Canadian/Texas oil line!! It only makes VP Cheney richer!!
~the left

#10 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Since it is designed to foreign ship oil to Texas for processing and shipping out of the US, it sure doesn't help America, doers it?

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"For the first time since 2003, Saudi imports accounted for more than 15 percent of total U.S. oil imports," the Financial Times observed.

"The gulf as a whole accounted for more than 25 percent, a nine-year high."

By the end of November, amid "unusually strong demand ... Kuwait had shipped more oil to the U.S. than in any year since 1998."

How long U.S. dependence on gulf oil will continue isn't clear. It's likely to be a few years yet, since many of its refineries are geared to process the heavy varieties of crude that come from the Persian Gulf, rather than the lighter, high-quality crude produced from the vast shale fields in North Dakota and Texas.

Read more: www.upi.com

Way to go oil refiners!

#18 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah NG3 way to go refiners! Tell us oh anti 'big oil' elitist, do you support tax breaks for refitting old refineries? Or are you against it?

How can you rip the industry, when you have repeatedly demanded not only 'tax breaks' be recinded, but also windfall profit taxes be enacted?

Case in point care to tell us why Hess is closing refineries? If you don't understand the economics of the industry, your comments are meaningless!!

(This ought to be good!)

#19 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

The United States in 2011 exported more petroleum products, on an annual basis, than it imported for the first time since 1949, but American refiners still imported large, although declining, amounts of crude oil, according to full-year trade data from EIA's Petroleum Supply Monthly February report. The increase in foreign purchases of distillate fuel contributed the most to the United States becoming a net exporter of petroleum products.

www.eia.gov

#20 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's just great I ask you a direct questionm, and you have NO IDEA how to answer!!!

Obviously you have trouble blaming GW at this point, and you would never blame BHO.... so tell us how you missed this in your own link....

In November 2012, the International Energy Agency, the West's energy watchdog, announced that, with the unlocking of vast oil and shale natural gas reserves, the United States was headed for virtual energy self-sufficiency and would overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's leading oil producer by 2020.

#21 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

How can you rip the industry, when you have repeatedly demanded not only 'tax breaks' be recinded,

unlike you, my socialist friend, I believe in capitalism. End socialist policies toward oil companies and let the market decide whether they adapt or die.

Case in point care to tell us why Hess is closing refineries?

Simple capitalist economics. Demand is down, thanks to Republican fiscal and foreign policies in 2001-2008, so supply has to be reduced in order to keep profit margins up. You socialists really need to understand the glory of free market capitalism.

#22 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are such a small mind it's funny nailing you, proving how niave you are to facts.

I asked you direct question on refineries. Are you afraid to answer? Must be....

#23 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hahahaha..

Demand is down? How stupid are you ng3? If that's the case why are gas prices near all time highs?

So their closing the refinery because demand is down. WRONG YOU ARE AN IDIOT

#24 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"with the unlocking of vast oil and shale natural gas reserves, the United States was headed for virtual energy self-sufficiency and would overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's leading oil producer by 2020."

BS. That's the biggest scam of all time. Shale oil has a terrible EROI and is an environmental nightmare, like tar sands.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-27 06:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's what happens when all you are is a talking point and have no common sense, nor desire to learn what is actually happening.

#26 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's just great I ask you a direct questionm, and you have NO IDEA how to answer!!!

Sorry to deflate your ego, comrade, but I hadn't read your brilliant comment before I had posted that. soemtimes people here actually research their answers, instead of repeating Glen Beckisms.

It isn't really all about you, you know.

But, as you so rightly note, thanks to Obama, shale oil will free America from its foreign masters in Saudi Arabia, even though they are much beloved by the Republicans, who have repeatedly sent Americans to die to protect their gold toilets.

#27 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shale oil has a terrible EROI and is an environmental nightmare, like tar sands.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

And you think these minor quibbles will stop DTW and his ilk, or the gummint,from borrowing as much money as possible to hand producers to milk the shale?

#28 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

If that's the case why are gas prices near all time highs?

Because the wiley capitalists are reducing production to keep prices up. How else could they continue to make record profits during the Bush Depression?

#29 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

See I told you you had no idea whatsoever. I haven't heard glenn beck in 4 years, but I do listen to biz news all day long. I asked you a direct question about why Hess closed their refinery.

You don't know, but you pretend to have some answers, when you are completely clueless about the entire industry.

#30 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I asked you direct question on refineries. Are you afraid to answer? Must be....

#23 | Posted by DavetheWave

And I answered, but your only response was an insult. Clearly I'm right and deep in your head.

#31 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Demand is down, thanks to Republican fiscal and foreign policies in 2001-2008, so supply has to be reduced in order to keep profit margins up. You socialists really need to understand the glory of free market capitalism.

#22 | Posted by northguy3

So your saying their RECORD profits must be kept up? Now that they got a taste of 10 billion in quarterly profit they need to keep it at that level? So they'll cut off supply in order to do so?

Is everyone ok with them taking last year's record profit levels and attempting to make that their new normal expectation?

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-02-27 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your answer was Simple capitalist economics. Demand is down, thanks to Republican fiscal and foreign policies in 2001-2008, so supply has to be reduced in order to keep profit margins up. You socialists really need to understand the glory of free market capitalism.

Can't remember what you just typed?? Your answer proves, NG3 a clueless moron who's opinions are based on talking points and has no common sense!

#33 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I haven't heard glenn beck in 4 years, but I do listen to biz news all day long.

Sure you do. I distinctly remember you stating as all the sane economists did, that Obama created more jobs in 4 years than Bush did in 8. And I remember you pointing out repeatedly that Bush's meager job creation numbers were based on massive public sector hiring, while Obama's numbers were in spite of massive public sector job cuts.

#34 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

And DTW, just before I put you in the "too stupid to respond to file", nyah nyah nyah, I am right and you, as usual, are wrong:

"WASHINGTON, Feb 27 (Reuters) - U.S. oil consumption posted an
unexpected drop in December, pulling total demand for 2012 to the lowest
annual level since 1996, the U.S government said on Wednesday.
The decline is the latest chapter in a years-long stretch of tepid
oil demand in the United States, reflecting a weak economy and high
unemployment, growing vehicle efficiency and high fuel prices that have
cut into usage.
The Energy Information Administration said in its monthly petroleum
supply report that oil demand in the world's top consumer dipped to 18.13
million barrels per day in December, down 4.4 percent or 835,000 bpd from
a projection last week.
Oil demand for the year was at 18.56 million bpd, down 2.08 percent
compared with 2011, with petroleum use falling in every month in 2012
except May."

www.reuters.com

#35 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"US petroleum consumption declined by 2.2 million barrels per day between 2005 and 2012. The decline was widespread across different types of fuel use."

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#36 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

And another one bites the dust.

#37 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not why they closed their refineries. When are you going to admit you have no clue about the refinery business?

#38 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I will wait for you to google an answer, because you obvioulsy don't know!!

#39 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#34 why are you trying to deflect? It's a simple question!

#40 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Somebody just fart out loud here?

#41 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you have no answer? typical dr left. A lot of noise, no common sense

#42 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now.... go away idiot

#43 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-27 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another sore loser bites the dust.

Facts just aren't the rights' friends, are they?

#44 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-02-27 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I asked you the simplest of questions, you STILL can't answer. Whats the Matter U?

Funny how pompous the dr left acts, till you prove they are completely clueless. Here it is again ng3 I'll make it even easier (broader)

Why are so many refineries getting closed? Come on dude. You have as much commons sense as dorky!

#45 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-28 07:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nope, crashed my browser again. 3 strikes you're out, and I'm outta of this thread.

#16 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Change your browser!

#46 | Posted by fribo at 2013-02-28 07:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Since it is designed to foreign ship oil to Texas for processing and shipping out of the US, it sure doesn't help America, doers it?

#17 | Posted by northguy3

I guess thoes pipeline operation, refinery operation, and oil company profits here in the us don't help us? WTF are you thinking?

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-28 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

You socialists really need to understand the glory of free market capitalism.

#22 | Posted by northguy3

Is that a note to yourself?

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-28 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3 . Absolutely correct . The multinationals are already positioning to export the natural gas and oil to China etc to maximize their profits. They get a pass to tear up the USA and use eminent domain under the pretense it will make us energy independent with low cost energy when it will do nothing of the kind.. The concept of globalism is 100% counter to sovereignty.

Jimmy Carter wanted to wean us from ME oil and he was sabotaged by those who want the USA to be always dependent and involved in the ME. If not for our supposed need for their oil there would be no reason to expend lives and treasure, and that would end their motive for hating us and WOT.

#49 | Posted by robson at 2013-03-01 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

So Robson, Nat gas is 3.40 a unit here, its 15 bucks overseas

Last year when it was 1.85 a unit, there was talk that the price would go negative!

Where were you then? Cheering? If you could export for five tomes better price would you do it? Or would you demand that not happen, and let them go bankrupt because you have a hard on for some socialist agenda?

#50 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-01 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Think about that, the price was predicted by some to GO NEGATIVE. Which means.... like a negative rate of return on a money market. More then we need, heck more then we can store.

How would you dr left geniuses deal with that?

Let me guess you'd have them eat it. Not export it for 15X more then what your getting. That's some real economic wunderkind of thinking. What biz school did you go to, the huff post of hard knocks? Michael Moore's how to lose weight U?

Funny when faced with facts, socialists holier then thou elitists shrivel up and go away, dorky style.

#51 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-03-01 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

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