Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, February 25, 2013

David Zurawik: MSNBC has long been as bad as Fox News when it comes to ideological bias. But with the hiring of longtime Team Obama loyalists David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs, it's official: MSNBC is worse. The cable channel that flies under the banner of NBC News is now all but a bona fide organ of state propaganda, an information channel that speaks in the same dominant voice as the folks running the government -- and tries to mask what it is up to.

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#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-25 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

That damned sky, it just keeps falling!

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-25 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Team Obama loyalists David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs, it's official: MSNBC is worse."

They might consider changing their official name to MSOBAMA. They'll be rehiring Jay Carney at the end of this term.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-25 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's bizarre is anyone calling MSDNC a "leftist" network. Next time Chris Matthews interviews Noam Chomsky or Naomi Klein or Chris Hedges instead of worthless hacks like Ed Rendell and Debbie Schultz, let me know.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-25 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

3 hours every morning with a very conservative host on Morning Joe, the equivalent on Fox of a liberal show????

#5 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-25 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reach. Don't fall over while you reach.

#6 | Posted by fresno500 at 2013-02-25 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's bizarre is anyone calling MSDNC a "leftist" network. Next time Chris Matthews interviews Noam Chomsky or Naomi Klein or Chris Hedges instead of worthless hacks like Ed Rendell and Debbie Schultz, let me know. #4 | Posted by nullifidian

Newsworthy.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-02-25 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

morning joe

conservative..

NOPE...sorry, they just don't go together...

#8 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-02-25 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

3 hours every morning with a very conservative host on Morning Joe, the equivalent on Fox of a liberal show????

#5 | Posted by danni

Bwhahaha. Morning Joe a Conservative. I'll bet you believe Forrest Gump created the "smiley" too.

#9 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-02-25 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Quiz: How did Joe Scarborough describe "Morning Joe" on the days he wasn't there?

The Young Marxist Variety Hour

If you think Joe Scarborough is "very conservative", you haven't ever watched the show, Danni. By the way, did you INTEND to post a pointless sentence fragment in #5?

#10 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-25 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Joe Scarborough is "very conservative", really when did that happen. Just calling yourself a conservative doesn't necessarily makes it so.

#11 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-25 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Scarborough is not a conservative? Really?

Anyways, what gets me is the idea that Axelrod and Gibbs are somehow more of state-propaganda puppets than Karl Rove? Axelrod and Gibbs can't be given credit for Obama's rise to power. However, Rove most certainly can be credited for Bush's rise to power. I respect the author's credentials and his opinion, but to suggest that the subjectivity in the piece is anything other than that is false.

I will give him this, though: Gibbs and Axelrod have significantly more time to spout state-propoganda than Rove had in early 2008 when he joined Fox. But only that significant time difference allows for the two to be even close to being on par with Rove, IMO. Rove's insistency that the 2012 race wasn't over when it clearly was should exemplify this notion. Though, FOX should be given credit for undermining Rove's credibility live on air. I doubt MSNBC would do the same to Axelrod or Gibbs.

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-25 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

MSNBC has more ideological diversity than David Zurawik gives it credit for. Conservative Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough hosts a three-hour morning show, conservative pundit S.E. Cupp is a co-host on an afternoon show and Chris Matthews invites Republicans on his show early day -- former Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele, who appears one or two times a week.

Also, shows are hosted by Chuck Todd, Chris Jansing and Andrea Mitchell, all of whom are non-ideological reporters instead of liberal commentators.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-25 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Andrea Mitchell is non-ideological?! Have you even WATCHED her? Andrea Mitchell FAWNS over Obama.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-25 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Andrea Mitchell is a reporter, not a commentator. It isn't her role to promote an ideological position -- it's her job to report news.

That's different than somebody like Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, Martin Bashir or Bill O'Reilly, who are giving their opinions throughout their shows.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-25 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can't watch Andrea Greenspan. She's a liberal no doubt but, she stumbles constantly over the teleprompter.

Rogers, I can't help but watch Matthews b/c he is such a douchebag. When he has a conservatives on he constantly interrupts and never lets them talk. Plus, he is such a blathering idiot it's funny sometimes.

#16 | Posted by Dalton at 2013-02-25 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

When he has a conservative on he constantly interrupts and never lets them talk. Plus, he is such a blathering idiot it's funny sometimes.

Sounds like Billy O. When he has anyone on, he constantly interrupts and never lets them talk. Including B. Hussein Obama.

"Obama got reelected because there are now more people in America who want free stuff."

That's some incredible political analysis, their Billy!

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-25 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I'm going to agree with you. I don't understand what anyone sees in Bill O'Reilly. Bombastic comes to mind.

#18 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-25 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rsty, I don't watch Bill or even Fox for that matter and really only watch Matthews b/c he is so emotionally invested that he makes an ass of himself. Really, all 3 networks are predictable in their coverage.

#19 | Posted by Dalton at 2013-02-25 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

MSNBC has a liberal bias. When I've watched them, they've been more than glad to assert this, sometimes several times in an hour. Their evening lineup is composed of editorialists who, mirable dictu, editorialize.

Much of the time MSNBC only examines the obvious. As an example, that Texas's new Senator is one nasty piece of work. Everyone was going to find that out, anyway.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-25 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Joe Scarborough is "very conservative", really when did that happen."

He is very conservative but he is not TEa Party crazy or Neocon nuts. He brings a good variety of views to the table and generally lets them have their say before he starts talking over them. He actually has a pretty entertaining show.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-25 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

He is very conservative but he is not TEa Party crazy or Neocon nuts.

I think Scarborough's time hosting Morning Joe has changed him. He used to be a conservative by the standards of the Florida panhandle. But these days he's sounding more like a conservative by the standards of the northeast.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-25 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

All news sources are propaganda. They reflect they view of the owners.

#1 | Posted by Diablo

Not always true considering Fox news CEO Rupert Murdoch Picks Liberal Son As Successor.

#23 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-02-25 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He used to be a conservative by the standards of the Florida panhandle. But these days he's sounding more like a conservative by the standards of the northeast."

He's been exposed to contrary views and is slowly becoming more interested in the welfare the nation instead of his party.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-25 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I watch Joe sometimes in the morning. I used to think Mika was an attractive woman that made her own way until I heard her refer to her dad. When I saw who that was I thought she was just another "ride some man's coat tails" feminist. One other thing I noticed is she will be critical of some democrats but, it's pretty funny watching her get all worked up when Joe says something bad about the President. Then Joe in true mysoginist fashion tell her to sit back and be quiet and she does.

#25 | Posted by Dalton at 2013-02-25 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"MSNBC now "Almost ‘A Bona Fide Organ of State Propaganda", Still two steps behind Faux Snooze which is completely an organ of the GOTP Propaganda machine.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-25 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

well, actually they are all an Organ of the State except for FOX

#27 | Posted by Maverick at 2013-02-25 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

well, actually they are all an Organ of the State except for FOX

#27 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT 2013-02-25 07:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Exactly. Faux Snooze is a vestigial organ.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-25 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"well, actually they are all an Organ of the State except for FOX"

Riiight!!! When we were invading Iraq Fox was standing up for the protesters. Ridiculous post. We can remember when Republicans held the White House even if your memory is too clouded to.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-25 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Andrea Mitchell is a reporter, not a commentator. It isn't her role to promote an ideological position -- it's her job to report news.

That's different than somebody like Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, Martin Bashir or Bill O'Reilly, who are giving their opinions throughout their shows.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 20

wow are you wrong on that first line...a reporter doesnt agree when a white house lacky who now works there talks like this.,..

from david zurawick of the baltimore sun...

As Mitchell starts to pivot to another issue with a new question, Axelrod interrupts her with, "One more thing, Andrea. There is a belief among some Republicans in Congress that maybe this sequester's all right. Maybe this is another way of shrinking government in a dramatic way. That's a dangerous idea, but it's not uncommon in some quarters on Capitol Hill."

"No doubt," Mitchell says, placing a cherry atop this propaganda sundae.

Rhetorical Criticism 101: Republican members of Congress are not rational, they have "dangerous" thoughts and they do "odious" things to the American people.

#30 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-02-25 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.baltimoresun.com

#31 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-02-25 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"MSNBC now "Almost ‘A Bona Fide Organ of State Propaganda", Still two steps behind Faux Snooze which is completely an organ of the GOTP Propaganda machine.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at

just for my information...how many hours of fox news have you watched in the oh....say....lasgt week?

im guessing the answer is something like a goose egg

#32 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-02-25 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Every time a Fox or MSNBC thread pops up it runs to 100 posts. Which is exactly what they want.

You can read one article in Der Spiegel or Telegraph and learn more than you will in a month watching Talking Dead TV. Read a book, and that'll fix you for a whole year.

Retards.

#33 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-25 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Joe Scarborough isn't a conservative?

ROFL! You tea party loons crack me up.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-25 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I do not have a working TV and haven't had one for awhile now, So I do not watch either, I was never a big fan of MSNBC except for Rachel Maddow She Rocked even when I disagreed with her.

Morning Joe was a complete waste of time and yes it is conservative, you people who say it is not, are confusing conservative with complete off the wall Bat squeeze.
there is a difference

#35 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-02-25 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Also, shows are hosted by Chuck Todd, Chris Jansing and Andrea Mitchell, all of whom are non-ideological reporters instead of liberal commentators."
#13 | Posted by rcade

ROFLMAO. Let's seee....

Chuck Todd: newsbusters.org

Chris Jansing: newsbusters.org

Andrea Mitchell: newsbusters.org

Chris Mathews on Hillary 2016: "If you're watching, Madam Secretary, all three of us have brilliant ideas. All of us have great ideas. And I especially put myself in that group with Joan and David. We know how to do this, we'll get you in there."

Rachel Maddow: "Obviously there was an edit between the end of the woman's question and the part where John McCain sneers the straight talk line at her. So maybe that edit was cut in a way that's not fair to John McCain. Maybe he wasn't in real time so insensitive and abrasive, to a woman who probably deserves some sensitivity when she is talked to about these matters."

Obviously, but she showed the doctored tape anyway but NOT the actual tape.

Ed Schultz, Al SHarpton er al. : WOW!

#36 | Posted by KBM at 2013-02-25 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

just for my information...how many hours of fox news have you watched in the oh....say....lasgt week?
im guessing the answer is something like a goose egg

#32 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2013-02-25 09:14 PM | FLAG:

Faux Snooze? Why would I ever subject myself to Entertainment Style News?

Hey, guess what? I don't watch NBC News either.

Now what?

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-25 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

By the way, MSNBC? Didn't that fall apart?

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-25 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I personally sample all the networks to try and gleen a "fair and balanced" approach to the news, especially politics. Although, I have to admit, to watch msnbc requires a copious application of duct tape wrapped about the head.

#39 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-02-25 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

so radical left says if I'm not a woman I cant have an opinion on abortion..those same radical leftist say that you have to have served in the armed forces, you cant have an opinion on wars......

AND YET>......the radical says that they can have an opinion on fox news and YET....they ask

Faux Snooze? Why would I ever subject myself to Entertainment Style News?

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2

typical..

#40 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-02-25 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Until those who own, report, and get face time on our media are broadly representative ethnically, religiously, gender wise, politically and demographically of our country, it is all intended as controlled propaganda.

#41 | Posted by Robson at 2013-02-25 11:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is news? Anybody that has watched MSNBC knows it is state owned media. Just look at who owns it, the national Barrack channel. These are the clowns that edit news clips to say something totally different so you are told a total lie. Just look at how NBC tried to make the Travon Martin shooting a racial issue by editing the tapes. That is not the only time, they have been caught numerous times. So much for the credibility of our news. I must say though ABC and CBS have not been as blatant.

I have no problem with a station having a liberal or conservative bent, but MSNBC is a total joke. It is the only station where a political hack like Chris Matthews could get a reporting job, now add in Gibbs and Axelrod and you will never get anything useful out of this network. The National Geographic channel has higher viewership. Good thing Soros supports it because it sure is not going to draw any credible advertising revenue.

#42 | Posted by gtjr at 2013-02-26 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Chris Matthews could get a reporting job

#42 | Posted by gtjr at

Matthews is a pundit, not a reporter. Fox News may be responsible for some people forgetting the distinction.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-26 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is really funny is radio gets more listeners everyday then MSNBC has viewers. Just like there are no successful liberal radio program and their news shows are going the same way.

#44 | Posted by Zack991 at 2013-02-26 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Liberal Rachel Maddow gave Gibbs a grilling about drones. I am not sure you can say MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the White House. RM seems to go after both sides when she sees something wrong from a liberal prospective.

#45 | Posted by THomewood at 2013-02-26 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

ROFLMAO. Let's seee...

NewsBusters is a site that sees liberal bias in everything the mainstream media does. So of course it thinks Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell and Chris Jansing are flaming liberals. But my original point remains: They are reporters attempting to relate objective news, not commentators giving their opinions on the news.

#46 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-26 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is really funny is radio gets more listeners everyday then MSNBC has viewers.

Radio listener counts are wildly inflated. They aren't measured as precisely as TV viewership, so hosts exaggerate their audiences.

Rush Limbaugh has been claiming since 1993 he has 20 million listeners. The fact he never changes that number should tell people it's a bunch of hot air.

dish.andrewsullivan.com

#47 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-26 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rush Limbaugh has been claiming since 1993 he has 20 million listeners. The fact he never changes that number should tell people it's a bunch of hot air.

Apparently, his advertisers think so, yes? He's pulling down a pretty good chuck of change the last I heard.

#48 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-02-26 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's funny how you RCADE and Danny think anyone on MSNBC is conservative. It's because you think the majority of the country agrees with your view. You think that anyone who mildly disagrees with the President and your world view is conservative or at the least not progressive.

Flash to RCADE, no one on MSNBC is conservative or even conservative leaning...

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-26 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another good article on our state media..

www.foxnews.com

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-26 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

And what about this?

www.foxnews.com

I wonder why they dont do a piece on Islam?

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-26 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

They are reporters attempting to relate objective news, not commentators giving their opinions on the news.

#46 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-26 12:14 PM | Reply

What I find amusing is that either you guys are "funnin" us or you really believe the BS you keep telling yourselves. These people aren't attempting to relate objective news. I quit watching the MSM in college since it was obvious how they twisted the news or didn't put on opposing viewpoints. The other thing they do is look the other way when the news doesn't fit their agenda or it might be in one paragraph on the last page on some of lefty newspapers.

#53 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-26 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

And more, the liberal media eating one of it's own...

www.foxnews.com

#54 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-26 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberal Rachel Maddow gave Gibbs a grilling about drones. I am not sure you can say MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the White House. RM seems to go after both sides when she sees something wrong from a liberal prospective.

#45 | Posted by THomewood at 2013-02-26 11:49 AM | Reply |

I'm not impressed. Now that their guy has been re-elected they're going to make an effort to look like they're "fair and balanced". Anyone with any intelligence can see what's going on. I'm not impressed---there is no honesty/integrity with these folks.

#55 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-26 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

One cannot help but see in Boaz's feeble thrashing about the state of American (and, to some extent, European) conservatism today. They have lost the culture war and so they find the need to hermetically seal themselves away from all the trappings of a world that increasingly is leaving them behind: Public schooling or fundamentalist "academies" for children, conservative news outlets, conservative music, conservative television, conservative amusement parks, conservative websites, creation "museums," lists of approved conservative businesses.... look at the lengths they go to in order to avoid any possibility of ideological contamination. Is not each new structure in which they hide merely proof of their increasing desperation? Is it any surprise that, increasingly, they wish to literally seal themselves away, to hide in bunkers from a world that laughs at their beliefs?

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2013-02-26 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually Dirk,

I see it as a media and country devoid of a point of view the media is trying to destroy. Instead of listening to conservative viewpoints, the liberal media tries to destroy it. And trust me, the world isnt laughing at our viewpoints as you think they are. Your statement reeks of the eliteism of most of the hollyweird elites and media moguls today.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-26 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am not sure you can say MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the White House.

It's because you are a brainwashed sheep.

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-26 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I see it as a media and country devoid of a point of view the media is trying to destroy. Instead of listening to conservative viewpoints, the liberal media tries to destroy it."

The reaction is a defensive one. Conservatives feel that society has turned against them, so they are withdrawing, wherever possible, into institutions in which they feel safe. The media is only one more public example of this.

"And trust me, the world isnt laughing at our viewpoints as you think they are."

They most certainly are. Even your closest ideological cousins elsewhere in the world roll their eyes at many of your positions (on guns, on abortion, on homosexuality).

"Your statement reeks of the eliteism of most of the hollyweird elites and media moguls today."

Ah the charge of "elitism," trapping of an ideology that makes a virtue of ignorance. American conservatives somehow turn being well-educated, well informed, sensitive to others, and the like into unforgivable sins.

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2013-02-26 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's because you are a brainwashed sheep.

LOL your posts read as Fox noise talking points lists and you have the gall to call someone else sheep?

Too funny boaz.

BTW, if your argument is reduced to accusing someone of being brainwashed, you've wandered into Jeffndenmark territory.

Which means you're likely not only wrong, but in dire need of medical or psychiatric attention.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-26 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

47.
Sorry truth hurts.
On MSNBC, meanwhile, Lawrence O'Donnell has lost 100,000 viewers from the numbers Mr. Olbermann posted last September, with 185,000 viewers in the 25-to-54 age group, a drop of 35 percent. (Bill O'Reilly on Fox, as always, dwarfs his competitors with about three times as many viewers, 611,000.)

More ominously, the falloff for Mr. O'Donnell seems to be affecting MSNBC's biggest name, Rachel Maddow. Her audience dropped 15 percent this year, to 245,000 from 289,000. She still beats Piers Morgan on CNN in the 9 p.m. hour, but his show has improved 18 percent over Larry King's ratings last year, with 193,000 viewers to Mr. King's 164,000.

MSNBC executives endured a contentious parting with Mr. Olbermann last January. Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, had a succinct answer to the question of whether the network is feeling the impact of Mr. Olbermann's departure: "No."

He added, "I'm confident that we will increase our ratings as politics become the dominant story over the next year."

Mr. Olbermann is now on the air head-to-head against Mr. O'Donnell. The channel he appears on, Current TV, is not in the league of either CNN or MSNBC in terms of national profile, and his audience totals do not approach any of the other 8 p.m. competitors.

Mr. Olbermann averaged just over 50,000 viewers in the 25-to-54 measure in September, or less than 20 percent of what he attracted on MSNBC. Still, many of those 50,000 may have previously been viewers of MSNBC -- and Mr. O'Donnell was 30,000 viewers behind Mr. Cooper in September.

Some industry analysts said the loss of viewers for MSNBC may have to do with strategic changes the network made in recent years.

"MSNBC may be rediscovering the downside of partisan news," said Chris Daly, a professor of journalism at Boston University. "That is, the size of your audience is essentially cajoled by the size of the electorate that already agrees with you."
www.nytimes.com

Until now, media inquiries about the show had been directed to Clear Channel's talk show syndication subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks.
"Rush is Rush and radio is radio," Pittman said.
He added that attempts by rival radio company Cumulus Media to sell a show hosted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in Limbaugh's time slot validated Limbaugh's status as the talk-show leader. "It basically says Rush is the king," he said. "Rush is certainly the leader, and we're delighted to have him." Premiere has said that "The Rush Limbaugh Show" is heard on nearly 600 stations by up to 20 million people each week.

Read more: www.politico.com

Hell The bob and top show spanks MSNBC in the ratings.

#61 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-02-26 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Might as well burst your bubble now "The Bob and Tom show" is only on 150 radio stations and streamed online, but they still have nearly 5 million listeners daily. MSNBC does not even come close. Trouble is no one takes MSNBC crap seriously any more.Consertive radio is king and liberals have been pushing censorship of radio for years now to make it "fair". Liberals have never made it on the radio and if was not for the billionaire owners they would never be on TV.

#62 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-02-26 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can stomach most of the left on TV...Maddow, O'Donnell, even Ed Schultz.

But Olbermann is pathetic...he acts butthurt and angry and he's bad for other lefties, IMO.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-26 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Might as well burst your bubble now "The Bob and Tom show" is only on 150 radio stations and streamed online, but they still have nearly 5 million listeners daily.

No, they don't. That's a made up number they throw around to promote themselves. That's how radio works. All the listener numbers are bogus.

Political talk radio is mostly a medium for old white people. Conservatives do well there and think that means they are the dominant view in the country, but the demographics tell another story. They've lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections. Today's 20-year-old voter is not tuning in right-wing geriatric gasbags like Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage.

#64 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-26 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

how does the measurement of a radio audience differ from a TV audience?

seriously....I don't know.

Is all of radio audiences made up? or just Rush Limbaugh's show?

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-26 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Consertive radio is king

Because it's hyper emotional, hate-filled crap being spewed along side assurances that said listeners are what makes America America blah blah blah.

No wonder it attracts hyper-emotional, hate-filled morons who need the positive reinforcement.

Anyone who holds up right wing talk radio as a paragon of information or, well anything positive actually, doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-26 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Because it's hyper emotional, hate-filled crap being spewed along side assurances that said listeners are what makes America America blah blah blah."

Actually thats the reason Air America failed so hard.

#67 | Posted by GotTruth at 2013-02-27 01:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think Scarborough's time hosting Morning Joe has changed him. He used to be a conservative by the standards of the Florida panhandle.

He probably was a Florida panhandle conservative but once you have to consistently support your defend your positions, you begin to see their strengths or weaknesses. I suspect that many of his Florida panhandle conservative positions had a lot of weaknesses that he had to abandon less it be to obvious that he was a partisan hack.

A similar transformation has occurred to Michael Steele; former head of the RNC.

#68 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2013-02-27 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

#64 I was waiting for the race card but didn't expect it from you Rcade!

#69 | Posted by fishpaw at 2013-02-27 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

They've lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections.

Barely. This is a divided nation. You arent winning 80% majorities.

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-27 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Barely. This is a divided nation.

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-27 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Handily enough, it would seem. The point is that the division is going away, as the conservative base demographic fades (read: dies off or switches sides) year after year. Hence the perceived need by conservatives to flee from society in every way possible.

#71 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2013-02-27 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | Posted by fishpaw at 2013-02-27 10:21 AM | Reply

There was no race card played at all. He simply stated facts. Any racism seen is your problem.

#72 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2013-02-27 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm pretty sure that if I want to know about the latest hurricane to hit the gulf coast, or what celebrity is in rehab, or what BerkHa is trading at, I can watch Fox, MSNBC, or any number of other news networks.

MSNBC is popular with a certain demographic for the same reason that Fox is-they provide political commentary that appeals to those demographics. In that respect, it's no different than XM Patriot vs. XM America Left. Both are biased, and Thom Hartmann is no less a political hack than Sean Hannity. So what? It's entertainment that is at some level intended to be intellectually stimulating.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-27 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

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