How New York City Reduced Homicide

Monday, February 25, 2013

The city's murder rate, which hit an all-time low last year, continues to plummet thanks to creative new police strategies that target youth gangs and spouse beaters. The innovative tactics helped send the city's homicide numbers tumbling to a record-low 414 murders in 2012 and they're down another 33 percent so far this year, police said.

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One novel approach involves charging teen gang members with conspiracy, using taunts and threats they post on social-media sites to build mafia-style cases against them.

These small crews of trigger-happy thugs are responsible for 30 percent of all the shootings in the city, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told The Post.

"In each initiative, the teams help us monitor social media and we gather information we can use on these groups."

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Gee, no mention of monitoring NRA members or taxing bullets? Think about it.

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-24 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

No mention of arming all of the citizens and hoping martial law takes over either. Gee.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2013-02-24 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

True, Bruce, but that law's effect will be known only after the passage of time since it was just approved.
In the meantime, look what actually works.

#3 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-24 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, Bruce, I got diverted and misposted a reply. I meant the recent Cuomo/Bloomberg laws about which you did not post.
But the point stands even so: the recent gun laws passed by New York (state) have yet to be proved. This method by NYPD is working.

#4 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-24 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

" the recent gun laws passed by New York (state) have yet to be proved."

fair. for ny state.

ny city has had extremely tough gun laws for a while now.

#5 | Posted by klifferd at 2013-02-24 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hi Kliff! If I remember you live in NYC, right?
The gun laws there do not have a fraction of the effect intelligent policing does. Remember when Giuliani made police run everyone's record even for minor crimes? They cleaned the streets very well doing that.
This is similar but the current gun debate pretends to be the solution and I don't get it.
Focusing on the scum is the answer. Make life hard for them, not the rest of us.

#6 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-24 07:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

diablo.. not disagreeing..

but you gotta admit, the combo has made the streets of nyc much safer than many other big cities.

i do agree that anyone who thinks gun laws alone will solve our violence problems are only looking at simplest window into the problem

#7 | Posted by klifferd at 2013-02-24 07:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are right, except all I was saying is that this is an approach proved to work.
Like it or not, the supreme dorks have said gun ownership is "a personal right" not a group right. They also open-endedly said it is subject to reasonable restrictions.
I think each state should be entitled to its own restrictions but the supreme dorks disagree with that. In that respect, I also believe the feds have no right to regulate personal weapons.
But whenever NYC cracks down on actual crime, it seems to do it the right, efficient and Constitutional way, I gotta admit. How they get it wrong with cigarettes and transfatty acids is beyond me.

#8 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-24 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

yea ..

the cigs worked because pot is decriminalized, and they deliver.

people would rather smoke the good stuff.

as far as fat.. trust me... food is still fatty here.

#9 | Posted by klifferd at 2013-02-24 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

what isn't working is the rent..

its too damn high.

#10 | Posted by klifferd at 2013-02-24 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

That might be due to rent control, Kliff. You subsidize those before you signed a lease.
It's a lot like social security....

#11 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-24 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

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"A new report by one of President Obama's favorite liberal think tanks suggests that the answer to curbing Chicago's gun violence is raising the minimum wage."

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#12 | Posted by KBM at 2013-02-25 12:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

AND going vegan, KBM, don't forget that.

#13 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-25 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

When Gulianni was in and cracking down on crime - people were bit*hing like crazy about his crackdown on DWI crime.. You get snagged driving under the influence and you stand a good chance of losing your license *on the spot -- and having your vehicle confiscated. Ergo - not too many drive drunk now.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-25 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gulianni's stop, question and frisk. That would never go these days.

#15 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-25 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

The limo drivers were having a fit, because the open booze bottles in the back were against the law and Gulianni enforced it.

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-25 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I had some guy tell me that Manhattan had the highest murder by gun rate of any city in the country.

Am I right to think he was full of sh1t?

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-25 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Despite the murder increase, overall crime declined in 2010 in Manhattan, led by big drops in property crimes.
And even the total number of murders, including the 69 recorded by police in Manhattan, still ranks among the lowest totals since the early 1960s.
Read more: www.dnainfo.com

#18 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-25 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In each initiative, the teams help us monitor social media and we gather information we can use on these groups."

Right, its called an "exploit" - and there are super computers running math like mine to identify these for the sake of Automatic Course Of Action (doctrine). That's why I can honestly claim... I Taught The Son Of Man A Lesson How To Read (TransAlchemy, reitze).

Its big, its real, and its gonna be self-aware sooner than people expect if its not already. And that's just with ordinary processing. I attended a conference last week on quantum computing that does the things humans do better than computers... but has to run at near 0 degrees K... but man we're sooooo close...

Jesus is coming Jesus is coming!

Diablo, good points... its not the gun laws its focusing on the "Persons Of Interest" (TV series). And yea, like that show NYC PD and others are using big systems to produce their exploits (action triggers).

#19 | Posted by reitze at 2013-02-25 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Crime Statistics > Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 (most recent) by state
www.statemaster.com
I can't find a rate for only Manhattan, that burrough would come under the stats for NYC.. Interesting that NYS is #46 out of 51

#20 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-25 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17 | POSTED BY TOR

NYC was part of my territory in the Gulianni days. It was ugly. I had a 4 day old Saab 900 turbo ripped off out of a parking garage. I hired a guy to come in to the city and guard my samples when I worked Manhattan. People were getting robbed in the subway all the time. Porn shops were all over town for a while and the guys that stand out front were paid by the number of people they got to enter so to say they were aggressive is an understatement. Tourism took a big hit. Gulianni was great but like I said, it would never fly now.

#21 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-25 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

but they do not NOT work, they do have a positive effect, Diablo.

#22 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-02-25 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#20 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-25 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag: LIED

Firearms deaths per whatever = presenting a false argument. Sure there maybe some correlation to it but rather than including the crimes prevented that are 1000x the statistic presented makes it a flat out lie. THAT's why your argument doesn't work, and good luck getting to heaven with behavior like that... of course you prolly don't believe in that anyway.

#23 | Posted by reitze at 2013-02-25 08:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

of course you prolly don't believe in that anyway.

Lucky for him.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-25 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24 for now.

#25 | Posted by reitze at 2013-02-25 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

So far everything I've heard tells me that the guy was full of crap.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-25 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Homicide rates drop because they report less of the homicides as such.

#27 | Posted by yougothurt at 2013-02-26 05:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gulianni's stop, question and frisk. That would never go these days.

#15 | Posted by paneocon

uh huh...sure.

And if it is declared to be unconstitutional will you still be ok with it?

NYPD can resume stop-and-frisk in Bronx only after federal judge lifts ban