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Michael Gerson: Out of the past six presidential elections, four have gone to the Democratic nominee, at an average yield of 327 electoral votes to 211 for the Republican [writes conservative pundit Michael Gerson]. During the preceding two decades, from 1968 to 1988, Republicans won five out of six elections, averaging 417 electoral votes to Democrats' 113. This stunning reversal of electoral fortunes has taken place for a variety of reasons: changing demographics; the end of a GOP foreign policy advantage during the Cold War; a serious gap in candidate quality; the declining relevance of economic policies that seem better suited to the 1980s; and an occasionally deserved reputation for being judgmental and censorious.

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The problem? According to Gerson, "At the national level, Republicans have a winning message for a nation that no longer exists."

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"Republican primary voters, party activists and party leaders have a choice to make, ruthlessly clarified by recent events," asserts Gerson. "They can take the path of Democrats in 1988, doubling down on a faltering ideology. Or they can follow the model of Democrats in 1992 and their own party in 2000, giving their nominee the leeway needed to oppose outworn or extreme ideas and to produce an agenda relevant to our time."

I wonder if Ladbroke's is giving odds.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 07:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Some serious rethinking is necessary, particularly on economic matters. In our Commentary essay, we raise ideas such as ending corporate welfare, breaking up the mega-banks, improving the treatment of families in the tax code, and encouraging economic mobility through education reform and improved job training.

Nice idea but fat chance. Both parties are vested up to their ears in "corporate welfare" only the Dems have better press agents and low information voters that could see the forest for the trees if it was on fire. Breaking up the mega-banks? Please, Dodd-Frank is a ode to to big to fail and Republicans have no stomach for that fight, it wold effect too many of it big dollar contributors. The middle class argument is bogus as the middle class has been getting hosed by progressives since the turn of the century. "Education reform and improved job training" of as I like to call it big government boondoggle and union patronage.

Whatever form Republican proposals eventually take, they must move beyond Reagan-era nostalgia.

Return to Goldwater/ Reagan ideals is precisely what the Republican party need to do and I mean more that lip services while stabbing conservatives in the back.

#2 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-22 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ho boy, the Cult of So-Called "Conservative" Perpetual Victimhood lies on!

"We'd a won if only the peoples have voting for us."

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 08:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

By the way, Paneocon, getting your political arse whuppped at the national level does not mean you're right. Sometimes you get your political arse whupped at the national level because what you're saying is just plain stoopid.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Return to Goldwater/ Reagan ideals is precisely what the Republican party need to do...."

Goldwater defended SC decisions on abortion, gay rights, and the separation of church and state. He opposed the military's band on homosexuals. He supported legalization of medical marijuana. He bemoaned the "bunch of kooks" taking over his party. When asked to comment on Jerry Falwell's opposition to Sandra Day O'Connor's nomination to the SC ("Every good Christian should be cocerned"), he replied: "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass." He described Reagan's Iran-Contra fiasco as "the god-damned stupidest foreign policy blunder this country's ever made!"

And then there's this, instructions delivered to the righties in his party: "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have."

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

If you don't want opinions on articles why do you post them?

#4 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

That's your narrative, not mine. Personally I think that people who base their ideology on a set of metrics like income equality and middle class values are "stoopid" when the spend every waking hour defending their guy who is delivering the worst income inequality and causing the middle class to lose more ground in 4 years that they have lost in the last two decades.

#6 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-22 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If you don't want opinions on articles why do you post them?"

I do want opinions on articles - but I don't pay a lot of attention to broken-record, lockstepping, ill-informed silliness like the stuff you habitually post.

"That's your narrative, not mine."

Which is precisely why your brand of Republicans will probably go the way of some near-extinct critter that seeks refuge deep in the swamp.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

"but I don't pay a lot of attention to broken-record, lockstepping, ill-informed silliness"

you've posted articles that can be described that way.

If one browses your list of posted articles, you'd find an extremely consistisent theme in most of them...many written by the same sources.

That doesn't make them ill-informed necessary but it ranks of "broken-record and lockstepping" (to borrow your words).

But that's fair....you can post whatever you like.

And to be honest, I like what you post, Doc....even if I don't agree with it.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-22 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

necessary

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-22 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

I post what I read and find interesting - quick reads in the a.m. typically from Daily Beast, Salon, the WP or NYT. Other stuff from The New Yorker, occasionally Mother Jones, Think Progress, National Journal, The New Statesman, The New Republic, and The Onion ("Old Reliable").

I also post articles that criticize Obama's politics, report errant Dems (Rangle, Jackson, etc.).

What I try not to do is post b.s. and refuse to go back and admit it's b.s. when I discover that's what it is.

And, frankly, some of the posts are the virtual world reality of pouring water down a gopher's hole to see if the gopher's there.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

And to be honest, I like what you post, Doc....even if I don't agree with it.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-22 09:11 AM | Reply

But Eb, he posts the same stuff nauseously OVER and OOVVEERR and OOOVVVEEERRR and over and then again oveeeeeerrrr and ovvvveeeerrrr.

#11 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

I also post articles that criticize Obama's politics

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 09:16 AM | Reply

Does Rcade have another back page we don't know about.

#12 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Does Rcade have another back page we don't know about.

#12 | Posted by matsop

No. Doc has posted articles critical of Obama, Matflop. Any other questions?

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-22 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

I also post articles that criticize Obama's politics
#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Yes when Obama is not leftist enough or when Obama doesn't twist his heal when he has his boot on the necks of the Republicans. Other wise Doc is just another Kool-Aid drinker.

#14 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-22 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Out of the past six presidential elections, four have gone to the Democratic nominee"

What an eye opener Doc. I bet you tingled over that statement.

How about out of the past 4 presidential elections, 2 have gone to the Democratic nominee.

Or Out of the past 2 presidential elections, both have gone to the Democratic nominee.

Fun, eh. Why stop there.

Out of the past 9 presidential elections, 4 have gone to the Democratic nominee.

Out of the past 12 presidential elections, 5 have gone to the Democratic nominee....and these last two have been a real doozy.

Amazing stuff to be sure, eh Doc.

#15 | Posted by KBM at 2013-02-22 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

I also post articles that criticize Obama's politics
#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Yes when Obama is not leftist enough...
#14 | Posted by paneocon

Congratulations, you just won this a.m.'s "DUH!!!!! Award."

I also wrote: "What I try not to do is post b.s. and refuse to go back and admit it's b.s. when I discover that's what it is." That one was aimed squarely at the gaggle of posters of which you are a charter member.

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Does Rcade have another back page we don't know about.

#12 | Posted by matsop

No. Doc has posted articles critical of Obama, Matflop. Any other questions?

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-22 09:44 AM | Reply |

Yeah, one, NullandVoid; when----forget it, I just remembered one of the lessons in Rcadian's re-education Gulag. You got off easy this time but watch your flank.

#17 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess Paneocon must've missed this. So, one more time:

Return to Goldwater/ Reagan ideals is precisely what the Republican party need to do....
#2 | Posted by paneocon

"Return to Goldwater/ Reagan ideals is precisely what the Republican party need to do...."

Goldwater defended SC decisions on abortion, gay rights, and the separation of church and state. He opposed the military's band on homosexuals. He supported legalization of medical marijuana. He bemoaned the "bunch of kooks" taking over his party. When asked to comment on Jerry Falwell's opposition to Sandra Day O'Connor's nomination to the SC ("Every good Christian should be cocerned"), he replied: "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass." He described Reagan's Iran-Contra fiasco as "the god-damned stupidest foreign policy blunder this country's ever made!"

And then there's this, instructions delivered to the righties in his party: "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have."

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Can you deal with that?

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

No. Doc has posted articles critical of Obama, Matflop. Any other questions?
#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-22 09:44 AM | Reply |

Yeah, one, NullandVoid; when----forget it...
#17 | Posted by matsop

At best, you're poorly informed.

And, please, would you please stop playing DR Victim Diva for a even just a while? It's smearing your virtual mascara.

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

I also wrote: "What I try not to do is post b.s. and refuse to go back and admit it's b.s. when I discover that's what it is."

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:01 AM | Reply

Leads the League with a batting average of 1000.

#20 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | Posted by KBM

Do all the threads whizzing by your noggin part your hair?

#21 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

#20 | Posted by matsop

Provide a few examples of where I've slapped something up here as a fact, been called on it, the call actually turned out to be correct, and I did not own up to it.

Or, please, stop embarrassing yourself.

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I think we can all rest assured that neither of those will ever happen.

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#23 | Posted by Dave at 2013-02-22 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can you deal with that?
#18 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Yes I'm a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. I can live with a lot of things with a balanced budget and an adherence to the Constitution.

#24 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-22 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

when I discover that's what it is."

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-22 10:01 AM |

The key word for the day is "I".

#25 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Salary of retired US Presidents .............$180,000 FOR LIFE
> > Salary of House/Senate .......................$174,00
​0 FOR LIFE
> > Salary of Speaker of the House ............$223,500 FOR LIFE
> > Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders ...... $193,400 FOR LIFE
> > Average Salary of a teacher ................ $40,065
> > Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
> > I think we found where the cuts should be made!

#26 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-22 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think the democrats need a reality check. This election was not about the GOP or the dem it was about race.

Without the black vote democrats could not have been elected. What are they going to do when they no longer have a black candidate?

#27 | Posted by tmaster at 2013-02-23 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Return to Goldwater/ Reagan ideals is precisely what the Republican party need to do...
#2 | Posted by paneocon

When you say, "Reagan ideals," do you mean things like the his administration's use of American taxpayer money to print books for Afghani children extolling the glories of jihad?

#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

I know this is hard for you but Reagan did preside over one the greatest peace time expansions of our economy and by every metric that you liberals hold dear his 8 years kicked Barry butt down the road and he was able to get these things done with a Democrat congress for most of his presidency. By the way could you point me to the Democrats and Obama's budget for say the last 4 years?

#29 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

First it's "Goldwater/Reagan," but when you find out the degree of contempt in which Goldwater held and your ilk, you drop him from the equation. Whuzzamatta, buttahcup? Was Goldwater one of those "RINOs" you so disdain? As for Reagan, he played people like you like a fiddle and if he demonstrated anything it was that the Laffer Curve is better described as the Laughter Curve.

How about those US taxpayer-supported jihadi textbooks Reagan distributed to the Afghanis? Kewl, eh?

#30 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 08:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

The GOP needs a checkup from the neck up.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-23 09:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

#30 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

I have no issue with Goldwater and I could care less about your use of the red brush of revisionist history on his career.

#32 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have no issue with Goldwater and I could care less about your use of the red brush of revisionist history on his career.
#32 | Posted by paneocon

You never seem to grasp the point: history is always about revision, unless it's "history" that gets ossified to suit narrow partisan/cultural purposes. You always go back and look at it again, reexamine the evidence, reevaluate the information, reframe your conclusions. Unless, like you - and George Bush - you like your "history" extra-lite.

Goldwater defended SC decisions on abortion, gay rights, and the separation of church and state. He opposed the military's band on homosexuals. He supported legalization of medical marijuana. He bemoaned the "bunch of kooks" taking over his party. When asked to comment on Jerry Falwell's opposition to Sandra Day O'Connor's nomination to the SC ("Every good Christian should be cocerned"), he replied: "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass." He described Reagan's Iran-Contra fiasco as "the god-damned stupidest foreign policy blunder this country's ever made!"

And then there's this, instructions delivered to the righties in his party: "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have."


Now, tell me, what - exactly - about that information is incorrect?

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

As I've said before I'm not driven by social issues. I don't feel any divine providence to tell others how to live their lives. You dems should learn to try that some times.

#34 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

The party you support has certainly played the social issues card - and it's been able to do so because of a combination of forces, including the rabid activism of committed loons or the torporous connivance of those who enabled them.

#35 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Chalk up one more - and one of the three or four most predicatable - Riiightie Whambulance Chasers who can't handle what Gerson has to say.

#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

The party you support has certainly played the social issues card
#35 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

You really are incapable of self examination? War over women, Gay rights, racism, social justice, the Democratic party is the party of the social issues card. The only problem is that the Democratic party is not the party of results.

#38 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

And here come another!

#39 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If you build it, he will come."

ROTFLMAO!

#40 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-23 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

#37 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Doc is you want to have the conversation lets have, other wise I've got things to do.

#41 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

is = do Sorry I can explain that one.

#42 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

The facts are that Bubba Clinton took away from the Republicans their supposed mantles of being better for the economy and better as CinC.... which GW then solidified by failing miserably at both... and Obama has dutifully cleaned up that Republican mess on both.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-23 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

"As a supporter of the PC party,do you actually breathe when you make a statement like that or have you emptied your bong"

Another flop from Matflop. Are you daff? The Retardicans have been playing the guns, god, gays and abortion angle to get redneck votes for decades.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-23 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

#43 | POSTED BY CORKY

You do know that the deficit is 16.5 trillion dollars and that the real unemployment rate is closer to 13%?

#45 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

You do not know that new spending is less, taxes are lower, and that private job creation has been steady for years now?

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-23 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

The New York Times posted a chart on Sunday comparing new expenditures by President George W. Bush and President Barack Obama under their respective terms. The chart uses information from the Congressional Budget Office and estimates Obama's new costs through 2017 (to equal Bush's two terms). The results speak volumes.

Based on the figures from the chart, Bush spent $5.07 trillion on new expenditures from fiscal years 2002-2009. Obama will have spent only $1.44 trillion through 2017, including saving $126 billion through spending cuts.

According to the chart of costs based on new policies:

www.njdc.org

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-23 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

" Bubba Clinton took away from the Republicans their supposed mantles of being better for the economy "

Bill Clinton was and is a corporate whore who destroyed the long-term health of the American economy with his "free trade" and corporate globalization policies.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-23 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

#46 | POSTED BY CORKY

CORKY you may be able to sell that tripe to Ms. Addison's 2nd grade class.

#49 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, we know, Republican Pres, the only other real world choice, would have been better.

If you ever take note of the real world we live in, everyone will be shocked.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-23 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

#47 | POSTED BY CORKY

I guess those Bush tax cuts were really working because if you haven't noticed the deficit is going up under Barry's watch.

#51 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-23 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

that tripe.... is CBO numbers.

New spending is a third of what it was under "your guy".

Trillions in deficits are not because of new spending under Obama.

If you don't at least get that, you are not trying.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-23 09:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Bush's tax cuts amounted to $1.812 trillion, compared to Obama's stimulus tax cuts amounting to a projected $425 billion.

Bush spent $1.469 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and other defense costs. Based on estimates published on the chart, Obama will have saved $126 in defense spending.

The Medicare drug benefits supported by Bush cost $180 billion. Obama's health reform plan will have cost $152 billion, and will benefit more Americans.

Bush's stimulus plan and other changes resulted in a $773 billion price tag. Obama's stimulus spending was about $62 billion less at $711 billion.

You can view The New York Times' chart here or below."

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-23 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Bill Clinton was and is a corporate whore who destroyed the long-term health of the American economy with his "free trade" and corporate globalization policies."

Newsworthy flag.

#54 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-23 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

How bad is the GOP's state of affairs?

Obama got elected.

Twice.

And they have no one to blame but themselves.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-24 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

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