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Jacoba Urist, The Atlantic: Guns, troubled young men, and violent video games. Together, they form a tragically familiar background story to America's recent shooting massacres in Columbine, Aurora, and Newtown. But the Constitution protects guns, and mental health is expensive and complicated to treat. So some lawmakers are responding to the latest tragedy by going after the third -- and possibly least consequential -- variable in this murky equation. There is a new push to tax violent video games.

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Researchers are still trying to sort out what kinds of behaviors can (and can't) be attributed to playing games like Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance and Killzone 3. And as it stands, the possible psychological link between digital aggression and anything on the scale of the Sandy Hook massacre is shaky at best. That's one of the reasons the president has called on the CDC to examine the potential relationship among video games, media images, and real-life violence.

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Taxes do not save lives. Sorry, this is a Bloomberg argument being proposed.
If we tax vitamins, will it increase disease? No, because people who care about such things will either find vitamins in more selective food or buy them black market. If we tax being tall, knee pad sales will rise because tall people will buy them to walk around shorter.

So tax violent video games? The producers will manufacture them in Mexico and sell them over the Internet at a much, much higher price and anonymously.

Better to have social taboos. Liberals laugh at such but that is precisely the 'glue' the conservatives lack right now. It is a taboo on the left to support any taboo. It's time for the conservatives to say no taboos is the ultimate taboo.

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-21 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

All Mortal Kombat taught me was how to fetch items by impaling them with a spear attached to a rope.

#2 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2013-02-21 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

...or buy them black market...

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-21 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why bother banning anything, then? People will just buy it on the black market. Why make laws against murder? People will just break them and murder people anyway.

#3 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2013-02-21 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Diablo: How would you make violent games taboo? That argument has been batted around for 20 years. The video game industry has done everything they can to self regulate while still providing for customer demands. Ultimately it is the responsibility of individual families to make those decisions.

#4 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2013-02-21 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ness, start by making all people admit they have taboos. The left refuses to do that until I light up a cigarette, order a cheeseburger or a big gulp soda.
If the Bible Belt people want no abortions or topless bars or even no mini-skirts, why not let them? They have their taboos, even prejudices.
I do not hate violent video games any more than I resist the image of naked women. Human nature unfortunately makes us more open to those than their alternatives. We want chaos and ridiculous pleasure and if you disagree then you are not a true lefty!
To set a limit on such things is reasonable because it is necessary. The proof of that is simple.
We have a human nature. We like pleasure, success, power, security and such. But think of this: even the most secular book or guide for social behavior, even the most lefty ones, fight that same human nature. Do not spit. Do not cuss. Do not make rude comments in public. Do not eat transfatty acids or refined sugar. Do not .....get it? Taboos.

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-21 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

The left refuses to do that until I light up a cigarette, order a cheeseburger or a big gulp soda.

That's a pretty general mis-characterization. For example, to a "lefty," homophobia is taboo.

We want chaos and ridiculous pleasure and if you disagree then you are not a true lefty!

And that's an inaccurate stereotype.

Do not .....get it? Taboos.

No, I'm not sure I do. I agree that there are and should be limits to what is acceptable behavior. The difference is that "lefties" tend to err on the side of individual choice instead of making blanket pronouncements based on religious tradition that infringe on the rights of people that do not share that tradition.

By the way, Bloomberg is an idiot. I have no idea where that guy is coming from.

#6 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2013-02-21 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And that's an inaccurate stereotype."

I agree with almost all your last post except that objection, Ness, and thanks for being a reasonable and fun debater.
The point of being a leftie has been, at least in my lifetime, to oppose all stereotypes, taboos and social conventions. Otherwise, why gay marriage? Stick in the noses of them fundamentalists!
The left celebrates the fringe, and don't deny it. It is the fodder of the Village Voice, Zap Comics, Pacifica Radio and many, many other left wing outlets. Why not? Human nature loves depravity and the left always argues if it feels good, do it.
Am I wrong about that?
My side argues almost along with that view, but says human nature must be opposed because "if it feels good" is a sure road to desolation. Human nature in that respect can not be overcome in this world, but even the pagan philosophers agreed it must be opposed and tamed.

#7 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-22 12:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

human nature must be opposed because "if it feels good" is a sure road to desolation.

You must be a treat in the sack...

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-22 01:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Otherwise, why gay marriage? Stick in the noses of them fundamentalists!

No. Gay marriage because gay people exist, desire monogamy, and there is no reason to deny them that just because a portion of the population objects on religious grounds. It's not to insult fundamentalists; they take it that way precisely because they object to it in the first place.

Zap Comics

You're really showing your age there, buddy. :-P

Human nature loves depravity

I couldn't disagree more. The reason that you see a "homosexual agenda" is because people have treated them as subhumans long enough that they finally got tired of it, and pushed back. No offense, but people that share your opinion are *the* reason that it's an issue in the first place. I can draw a parallel to the gun control debate: 2nd amendment supporters get absolutely livid when you try to take that away from them, as they see it as a Constitutional right. Gays claim the same kind of protection. (Equal protection clause, 14th amendment.) Does that make sense?

"if it feels good" is a sure road to desolation.

If you want to live that way, fine. I will not object at all. We just expect the same kind of respect. I know that there are some militant gays that go overboard, but they are no different than religious types that spend taxpayer money to ensure that they remain second class citizens.

Live and let live...it's not hard. Actually, isn't that one of the fundamentals of conservatism?

#9 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2013-02-22 01:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Controlling violent entertainment the way we do booze may save lives.

Higher taxes?

I doubt it would have as much of an effect.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-22 01:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

You have to be 17+ to buy an M-rated game. (Not that I was ever carded for that) Unlike booze, a parent buying such a game for their 9-year old is not a felony. Is that what you're proposing?

#11 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2013-02-22 01:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

@ NESS_GADOL

That's the basic idea.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-22 02:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

the worst school mass killing took 38 kids lives after the guy killed his wife and burned down his home... it happened in 1927 before video games, tv and most other excuses we give for crazy [...] who kill

en.wikipedia.org

crazy is crazy... it ain't the video games.. it's the person doing the killing that's broken. remove all video games, movies and tv and i'll bet some asshole will still try to kill innocent people because in the end...they have a defective brain.

#13 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2013-02-22 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

No question about it; we should have an executive order for a special 90% tax on violent video games, rap, and that violent worthless hollywood industry.

#14 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

#14

Wow, just think about all the revenue that would generate for the gubmint. And don't forget professional sport figures as well, they make way too much money. I'm seeing the end of the national debt already.

#15 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-02-22 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

I played a particularly violent video game the other night with my son. A Quake Arena take off...

I downloaded the client and server, and helped him install the client version.

Oh? did I mention that this was an open source(freeware) game.... I can see where taxing that will really slow things down.

#16 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2013-02-22 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's so funny that the righties are the ones also bleating about culture and our society. You know the number one enemy of culture and polite society?
The freemarket.
Sex and violence sells and in our capitalist, free market, anything for a buck society, it's a race to the bottom.
What Diablo and others desire is more regulations on the freemarket.
What do you call decency and obscenity laws?

#17 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2013-02-22 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should tax the [...] to prevent rape. After all, 1.5% of men commit all the rapes. Feminists calls that our "rape culture".

#18 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-02-22 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Human nature loves depravity and the left always argues if it feels good, do it.
Am I wrong about that?"

Yes. In fact, you're beyond wrong and well into ridiculous. Why? Because you speak in absolutes. Yes, there is some history of liberalism supporting feel-good behaviors. But you take it way to the extreme. I know tons of liberals, many of them religious. Do you think Christians believe in doing it if it feels good? Are you trolling, or do you need to get out more?

"Unlike booze, a parent buying such a game for their 9-year old is not a felony."

I want to say, "That would be great!" But I know that's ridiculous. At the same time, giving your 9-year-old Halo or Call of Duty is a crime, at least figuratively speaking. When my son was in kindergarten, he had a peer who had watched Iron Man. Now, in 3rd grade, he has a peer who has seen all the Lord of the Rings movies. Now, the first is a good flick and the latter arguably great, but not at those ages. I know it's absurd to regulate parent behavior, but I sure would like to see some responsibility (you know, that conservative catchphrase). Why does any 5-year-old need to see Iron Man? Do we really think those images of violence (and I like the movie) really have no effect? (No, I'm not saying they make people murder or actually do violence.)

#19 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-22 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"crazy is crazy... it ain't the video games.. it's the person doing the killing that's broken. remove all video games, movies and tv and i'll bet some [...] will still try to kill innocent people because in the end...they have a defective brain."

Yeah. This is about as stoopid as trying to ban guns to achieve the same ends. How about, instead of addressing the symptoms, we address the root cause.

Find a way to administer permanent (or long term) chemical lobotomies. This will no longer be a problem. Game-set-match.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-22 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think I was about 5 years old when I saw my first war movie. I still love watching them. And no, it didn't make me violent.

Studies show that playing sports, followed watching sports, are far far more likely to create violent feelings than video games, movies, or books (such as "The Catcher in the Rye") because your brain knows they aren't real. Does this mean we should we ban all boys toys? Tax books?

#21 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-02-22 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

When it comes to gun violence, it sort of makes sense that if your only exposure to guns comes from playing a video game, where the purpose of a gun is to kill your opponent, you will only think of a gun in that context. I was raised with guns. And before I ever shot one, my dad made it very clear that guns were never to be pointed at another person. Ever. And if had done it at any point, I would have gotten the poop beat out of me. And rightly so!

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-22 11:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

@Madbomber - that makes no sense. It has nothing to do with video games. It's about behaviorism and the fact these kids don't have dads like yours that disciplines their kids. The one kid that shot up the school had no dad. Just a crazy mom that taught him how to shoot but not why or why not. That kid also had problems behaviorally and mentally. All this stems from lack of parenting skills. You don't plop your kid infront of the TV and expect him to know right from wrong. You especially don't take a kid out shooting without the moral lessons of why or why not.

Take away guns then what's your excuse as these kids goes around stabbing people? what then? Are you going to blame Rambo? Leg's blame Rambo instead of getting to the root cause of the problem.

It's amazing how people like to blame or worship a single entity but never look back at themselves and examine ones life.

"The unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates; Because to live stupid is to live a hard life. Sometimes it's easier to make excuses and blame or worship the single entity (video games or god). God made me do it. VIdeo games made me do it.

That is crazy.

#23 | Posted by pragmatous at 2013-02-23 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"There is a new push to tax violent video games."

Looks like the government is running out of ways to raise money.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-23 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why bother banning anything, then? People will just buy it on the black market.

#3 | Posted by DirkStruan

Look a little closer............. It is a proposed TAX!!!

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-23 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

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