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Friday, February 22, 2013

A new Reuters/Ipos poll shows that more than half of U.S. citizens want "most or all" of the country's illegal immigrants deported. Reuters reports that the results point to the hurdles lawmakers face in the ongoing reform of the country's immigration laws. Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported. Only 5 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States legally, and 31 percent want most illegal immigrants to stay.

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I have a question for the 5% that don't want them deported: Why not?

#1 | Posted by Huguenot at 2013-02-21 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need to lock down our boarder 100% because allowing illegals to flow in the country is a complete slap in the faces of legal immigrants who took the time to do it legally.

#2 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-02-21 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need to lock down our boarder 100% because allowing illegals to flow in the country is a complete slap in the faces of legal immigrants who took the time to do it legally.

#2 | Posted by zack991

Zack...Be a man...put your foot down! Just tell your "Boarder" to stop allowing those illegals to live in your house.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-21 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have a question for the 5% that don't want them deported: Why not?

#1 | Posted by Huguenot at 2013-02-21 07:35 PM | Reply

The 5%ers were illegals---the pollster didn't ask them for IDs.

#4 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-21 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL :)

#5 | Posted by Huguenot at 2013-02-21 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Most Americans want illegal immigrants deported "

Most Americans are morons. You can't deport millions without creating a police state. And how many entitled Americans want to pay higher produce prices, higher restaurant prices, construction prices, etc, etc?

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-21 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL
Probably every one of the unemployed. If I were out of work I'd gladly pay a few extra pennies (10 cents on a head of lettuce for instance) for my goods and services in return for a job with a decent wage. Don't forget that the influx of cheap labor might make things a little cheaper but it drives down everyone's wages too.

Illegal immigrants are a loser for America anyway. They suck down public services at a rate 3x higher than what they contribute via taxes. Illegals cost over $1000 per taxpaying family per year.

BTW Null, are you suggesting that we don't already live in a police state?

#7 | Posted by Huguenot at 2013-02-21 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most Americans are morons. You can't deport millions without creating a police state. And how many entitled Americans want to pay higher produce prices, higher restaurant prices, construction prices, etc, etc?

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-21 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

To big to fail nulli?

rwd

#8 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-02-21 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by donnerboy

Tell obama to do his damn job and guard our boarders to begin with.

Obama puts illegals ahead of Americans
www.washingtontimes.com

Obama administration officials at the Department of Homeland Security claim they are on track to deport a record number of illegal immigrants this year. But on closer examination, the administration's numbers simply don't add up.

Internal Homeland Security documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee reveal that President Obama's administration has inflated the figures to achieve its so-called historic deportation numbers. These documents show that administration officials have fabricated their statistics by adding more than 140,000 removals to their deportation figures for the past two years.

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ICE, Border Patrol unions claim illegal immigrants exploiting 'dreamer' policy

www.foxnews.com

Union heads representing thousands of America's immigration agents slammed the Obama administration Thursday over a policy they claim is forcing officials to ignore the law and allowing illegal immigrants to exploit the system.

In a startling allegation, the president of the union representing Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers claimed illegal immigrants are "taking advantage" of a new directive allowing some undocumented residents who came to the U.S. as children to stay in the country. Union boss Chris Crane said the policy ends up allowing illegal immigrants to avoid detention without any proof -- particularly so-called "dreamers," or those illegal immigrants who would benefit under the "DREAM Act" proposal, which Congress has not passed but the administration has partially implemented.

"Prosecutorial discretion for dreamers is solely based on the individual's claims. Our orders are if an alien says they went to high school, then let them go," he said at a press conference with GOP senators. "Officers have been told that there is no burden for the alien to prove anything. ... At this point we don't even know why DHS has criteria at all, as there is no requirement or burden to prove anything on the part of the alien.

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#9 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-02-21 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama to Cut Overtime Pay for Border Patrol
www.businessweek.com

Border Patrol agents would lose money under a change in the overtime pay proposed in the $3.7 trillion budget President Barack Obama sent Congress Monday, the agent's union said Wednesday.

The proposal is an attempt to save $110 million by changing the overtime system for Border Patrol agents, who are paid time and a half for their first ten hours of overtime per week, and half-time for any additional unscheduled overtime hours. The president's budget proposes to pay agents straight-time for their first ten hours of overtime per week, and no compensation for any additional, unscheduled overtime hours. [...]

#10 | Posted by zack991 at 2013-02-21 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Most (Native) Americans want illegal immigrants deported "

Native Americans... fighting against illegal immigrants since 1492.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-21 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't want them deported. I want their employers sent to prison for 5 years and face a $250K fine for using pirated labor.....just as average USA citizens are punished for pirating a $5 worthless Hollywood DVD.

If they can't steal jobs from Americans, and get welfare dollars, they will go home where they belong. Instead Obama and some in Congress want them taking jobs from Americans, depressing wages, and voting for them as a payoff.

Additionally if the free market was able to legitimately work for American labor, instead of being saturated with low cost illegal labor, the incentive would be created to mechanize those functions that Americans do not want to do for $5/ hr.

#12 | Posted by Robson at 2013-02-21 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Probably every one of the unemployed. If I were out of work I'd gladly pay a few extra pennies (10 cents on a head of lettuce for instance) for my goods and services in return for a job with a decent wage. Don't forget that the influx of cheap labor might make things a little cheaper but it drives down everyone's wages too.

#7 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT AT 2013-02-21 08:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG

LOL!!

Did you even read that? How would you pay 10 extra cents for a head of lettuce if you're unemployed? If you're unemployed you're eating on the dollar menu, not buying expensive produce.

Also, the jobs that the immigrants are taking are also available to you or any American, its just that we choose not to work those jobs precisely because the pay is so lousy.

As far as immigrants forcing us into cheaper labor? Outsourcing of jobs would still exist, and right to work states have given the thumbs up to employers that want to pay their employees substandard rates.

You conservatives are funny how you talk out of both sides of your head at once.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-21 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did you even read that? How would you pay 10 extra cents for a head of lettuce if you're unemployed? If you're unemployed you're eating on the dollar menu, not buying expensive produce.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-21 09:26 PM | Reply

Are you telling me that folks on unemployment aren't purchasing a head of lettuce for $3.00 when it'll last them longer then 2 weeks if properly refrigerated? The cost/benefit puts it on the dollar menu.

Clown, you really are funny when you talk out of both ends at once.

#14 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-21 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clowny,
What I said was that I would rather have a job AND pay 10 cents more for a head of lettuce. Meaning get rid of the illegals and raise the wages on the jobs that they are doing to a level that will attract Americans.

Donner,
Indigenous people were fighting each other long before Europeans arrived. Besides, when Europeans created settlements they intentionally tried to steer clear of the indigenous and settle in areas not frequented by them. Then, most of the land transfers were done through sales and treaties.

#15 | Posted by Huguenot at 2013-02-21 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Most Americans are morons."

So we should vote for the candidate you favor, moron?

"You can't deport millions without creating a police state."

You can not ignore and refuse to enforce black letter immigration law without being a police state. Obama and his Attorney General can NOT pick what laws to enforce or it IS a police state.

"And how many entitled Americans want to pay higher produce prices, higher restaurant prices, construction prices, etc, etc?"

Ask Obamacare supporters. I don't.

#16 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-21 11:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

But when 70% of Americans opposed national health care before the Dems rammed it through....the threads at DR were different as far as what Americans wanted.

#17 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-22 12:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ideally, people who are here illegally should be deported.

But ideally, our immigration laws and the entire process would be majorly overhauled as well.

#18 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-22 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

fire up the bus and head on south...

abclocal.go.com

#19 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-02-22 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have a question for the 5% that don't want them deported: Why not?

#1 | Posted by Huguenot

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are what keep this nation vital and strong. When we stop enjoying the influx of eager ambitious spirits into this nation, we indeed will be in full decline. They would harder, do not feel nearly as entitled to help and generally value education far more than the typical native born American. Immigrants make America great.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-22 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

How are they going to find the white illegal's? They blend in so well. Are they even counted as part of the 11 million undocumented or are they a sub-class all to themselves?

Or are we not looking for those illegal's?

#21 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2013-02-22 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then, most of the land transfers were done through sales and treaties.

#15 | Posted by Huguenot

Right. Natives were never herded onto Gubmint land and had their ancestral lands stolen.

Got it you Huge Nut.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-22 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then, most of the land transfers were done through sales and treaties.

#15 | Posted by Huguenot | Flag:Super Ignorant or Super Liar

#23 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2013-02-22 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are what keep this nation vital and strong. When we stop enjoying the influx of eager ambitious spirits into this nation, we indeed will be in full decline. They would harder, do not feel nearly as entitled to help and generally value education far more than the typical native born American. Immigrants make America great.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-22 11:50 AM | Reply

Teddy Roosevelt and balkanization:"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.

"But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...

"There can be no divided allegiance here.

"Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.

"We have room for but one flag, the American flag...

"We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

-Theodore Roosevelt 1907

#24 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-22 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can't deport millions without creating a police state. And how many entitled Americans want to pay higher produce prices, higher restaurant prices.

And how many want lower hospital costs, lower welfare bills, and other lower costs when these people aren't abusing services?

#25 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-02-22 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are what keep this nation vital and strong. When we stop enjoying the influx of eager ambitious spirits into this nation, we indeed will be in full decline.

Legal immigration is good, illegal...not so much.

How would you feel if you were in line at the store and someone cut in front of you? Once they did, they were given full attention and service and you had to wait. What if 6 people jumped in front of you? That's what' happening to the "legal" applicants who are doing the right thing.

#26 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-02-22 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

We don't need walls at the boarder. We don't need patrols. Put in mine fields and bleachers. We could charge admission to reduce the debt.

#27 | Posted by attbay at 2013-02-22 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The issue of illegal immigration, the reasons why there were so many and what caused the poverty they were escaping is more complex than most people understand or are willing to learn about. Truthfully, many don't want to know because it would undercut their feeling of righteousness when they say we should just deport all these people. Like so many things the poverty these immigrants faced in their home countries was largely caused by big American corporations getting NAFTA passed and signed by Clinton and that treaty bankrupted a large percentage of the family farms of Mexico which had successfully supported those families for decades. Their system of price supports was eliminated under NAFTA and barriers to grain from factory farms in the United States were taken down. That bankrupted the farmers who then went to the cities along the border and got jobs in the American factories there. Unfortunately though, most of those jobs were then outsourced to China leaving these people homeless and jobless. Were any of us in their shoes we would very likely have done exactly what they did; come into the United States to look for work so that they could send money to their starving families in Mexico.
What our real problem is isn't the illegal immigrants, it's the corporations that control our governments for their own advantage and to the detriment of the citizens of both the US and Mexico.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-22 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 - "You can't deport millions without creating a police state. And how many entitled Americans want to pay higher produce prices, higher restaurant prices."

If they can't find work, they will come back the way they came. Self-deportation, it works, hell we should just pay for the bus ticket. Greyhound would welcome the business.

Many of our migrant farm workers are here legally and are more than welcome to come and work, it is the one area of immigration reform I agree with.

Higher restaurant prices, maybe, but then Americans are too fat anyways, cutting back on a few trips to Applebee's can't hurt.

Besides, don't you argue against cheap, slave labor from China, why so tolerant of cheap labor from Mexico. Sounds logically inconsistent.

#29 | Posted by danv at 2013-02-22 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure they are perfectly legitimate reasons for his blowing through the first round of donations so quickly....
~danni

For some reason I thought NAFTA meant jobs moving TO Mexico FROM the USA. Ergo that should equate to MORE jobs in Mexico. I seem to remember quite a few product assembly jobs that we LOST to them...

#30 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-22 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have a question for the 5% that don't want them deported: Why not?"

They are here because we want them here. Do away with the conditions that encourage them to come here, and they'll stop. One argument we often see is that they are collecting public benefits. So stop offering them benefits. Most come here because they can make more money than they can in Mexico, doing work most americans won't. If they leave, you'll be paying $10 for a flat of strawberries, because a grower will have to pay an american to do it. And the American won't do it for the wage that a Mexican will.

Bottom line is that consumer costs would rise without migrant labor. And consumers don't want that. Given a choice between no illegal immigrants and higher costs, or lower costs and illegal immigrants, which will most people choose?

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-22 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like so many things the poverty these immigrants faced in their home countries was largely caused by big American corporations getting NAFTA passed and signed by Clinton and that treaty bankrupted a large percentage of the family farms of Mexico which had successfully supported those families for decades
~danni

Sorry I pasted the wrong exerpt..
For some reason I thought NAFTA meant jobs moving TO Mexico FROM the USA. Ergo that should equate to MORE jobs in Mexico. I seem to remember quite a few product assembly jobs that we LOST to them...

#32 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2013-02-22 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have a question for the 5% that don't want them deported: Why not?"

Cheap labor for some, others are naive, and the rest likely have ties to illegal immigration.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-22 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even if we make all the current illegal immigrant legal, there will still be new illegal immigrants. Should we not deport the new illegal immigrants?

#34 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-22 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Selective law enforcement. Our country is being invaded and the invaders get to stay with benefits!? Yet I am not immune to the law. If I knowingly break a law I am not pardoned and rewarded en-mass. And what about the folks that have been waiting to immigrate legally or are legal? Isn't it an, in your face insult to them? To let invaders get a free pass.

#35 | Posted by aufpappeln at 2013-02-22 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think many of those jobs went to China. Check out the wiring harness in your Chevy, it was mexican for decades, now it's China. I think many of the US manufacturing companies followed suit.

#36 | Posted by aufpappeln at 2013-02-22 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most Americans are morons.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian

Damn, I didn't realize you knew that about yourself. Good call.

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-22 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Native Americans... fighting against illegal immigrants since 1492.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy

This may come as a surprise to you but.... They came to America across the ice bridge from russia.

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-22 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are what keep this nation vital and strong.

#20 | Posted by moder8

And that's what drives that 5%? Crawl back unser your rock and join dok.

#39 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-22 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

This may come as a surprise to you but.... They came to America across the ice bridge from russia.
#38 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2013-02-22 05:24 PM | FLAG:

You sure God didn't snap his fingers and make them appear?

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-02-22 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

McCain had been trying to explain his position: "You're not telling these people the truth. They mow our lawns, they care for our babies, they clean . . . that's what those people do," he said.

Well good. I'm glad John can afford a Hispanic to mow his lawn and clean his house. Most Americans can't afford it and have to do that work themselves.

#41 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-02-22 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sorry I pasted the wrong exerpt..
For some reason I thought NAFTA meant jobs moving TO Mexico FROM the USA."

That was my whole point, the whole problem is more complicated that most folks want to admit. Many of these people were farmers or from farming families when NAFTA went into force, they lived on family farmed owned for generations. NAFTA allowed the big companies to undercut their prices for corn, etc. and put them out of business, at the same time American corporations were building the factories you remember and so they left the farms, went where the factories were and got jobs only to then be displaced when those jobs were outsourced to China. That left them without the farm and without the jobs so they came here to work doing many things but especially construction work. OUr immigration dept. was told not to enforce immigration laws during the housing bubble, remember "they're only coming here to do jobs Americans won't do?" Then the bubble burst and the jobs disappeared and many are actually today returning to Mexico, we have net negative immigration today. Also today, INS is actually enforcing the laws against employers to a much larger extent than during the Bush years.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-22 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is amazing that so many here equate brown skinned people crossing the southern border to be Mexican. Pull up a map sometime, there is more than one country and ethnicity south of our border.

Lumping all hispanics together without regard to nationality or ethnicity is ignorance at the least and racist at the worst.

Ask Rubio, he will set you straight...

#43 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2013-02-22 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here illegally - deport them ASAP! If immigrants apply and come through our system legally I am all for them.

#44 | Posted by MSgt at 2013-02-22 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only 2% of illegals work in agriculture. Only 17% of the money you pay for a head of lettuce goes to the farmer. Of that, maybe 10-20% goes to wages....

So a 99 cent head of lettuce might end up costing you $1.02 or something.

#45 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-02-22 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

But I bet an equal 53% want 'undocumented immigrants' treated better.

#46 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-22 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Looks like Obama is on the wrong side of this

#47 | Posted by tmaster at 2013-02-23 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

There you have it folks. The majority has spoken. Since you dems love to quote polls as a reason to do something then get off your lazy asses and ask your congressman to vote to enforce the already existing law.

#48 | Posted by manuesstonedar at 2013-02-23 12:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Most Americans are morons." Proven 11/6/2012

#49 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2013-02-23 02:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

How are they going to find the white illegal's? They blend in so well. Are they even counted as part of the 11 million undocumented or are they a sub-class all to themselves?

Or are we not looking for those illegal's?

#21 | Posted by Prolix247

The US government found ONE cow that had mad cow diesese that came in from Canada but they can't find 20 million illegals. Go figure.

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-23 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

There are most certainly "white" illegals in the USA. But just like gun violence and crime, they typically do not represent the preponderance of the perps.

If we are going to actually examine cause and effect of street violence and gun crime, then we need to honestly examine those who represent most of the perps, instead of playing PC cop for racist biased organizations whose sole purpose is to divide our society for political reasons.

I don't support the typical misinformation and corruption on this spewed by both Parties that benefit only an over-privileged few.

#51 | Posted by robson at 2013-02-23 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

13 revolutions in the 20th century and the losers in Mexico still haven't got it right. Maybe we should take a serious look at who is coming up here. Mexico has a homicide rate three times ours, BEFORE the narco war. Corruption is so ingrained Mexicans are surprised when they can not bribe an official of the US. Screw Mexico! They hate us with the envy and bile that a adolescent girl has for a prettier rival. Deport them all, maybe the next revolution will be the charm.

#52 | Posted by docnjo at 2013-02-23 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think the defeat of the PRI *was* that revolution. Things are finally starting to look up for Mexico. Now if only they would legalize labor unions, maybe people could earn a decent wage in a country at least as resource rich as the USA.

There is no excuse for Mexicans to be poor. The richest man on earth, Carlos Slim, is a Mexican. He owns the phone monopoly (and is the reason why phone service is so damn expensive in Mexico).

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2013-02-23 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"illegal" maybe, not "undocumented".

Americans are stupider now than ever.

#54 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-02-24 01:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

[...] Robson, GREAT POST #51.

#55 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-02-24 01:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who will harvest the fruits and vegetables?
Who will butcher the chickens, cows, pigs, horses?
Who will deliver those items?
Who will cut the lawn, trim the hedges, rake the leaves?
Who will build the buildings?
WHO? WHO?

#56 | Posted by yougothurt at 2013-02-24 02:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who will do all the jobs most Americans deem unpleasant? Maybe some of the 2,000,000 losers we have incarcerated in our prisons. The thirteenth amendment did not outlaw penal slavery.

#57 | Posted by docnjo at 2013-02-25 08:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

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