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Ron Fournier: Your federal government is almost certain to blow past the March 1 deadline for averting $1.2 trillion in haphazard budget cuts that could cost 700,000 jobs. Don't worry. We know whom to blame. President Obama makes a credible case that he has reached farther toward compromise than House Republicans. But knowing who's at fault doesn't fix the problem. To loosely quote Billy Joel: You may be right, Mr. President, but this is crazy. Is this fiscal standoff (the fifth since Republicans took control of the House in 2011) just about scoring political points, or is it about governing?

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Merits and Politics only go so far to remove the blame from the individual given the responsibility to keep the organization in order. In this fiscal cliff debacle, Obama will ultimately be responsible for the situation when one moves past simple merits and politics in the matter. He is the Chief Executive after all.

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In this fiscal cliff debacle, Obama will ultimately be responsible for the situation

Posted by HeuristicGratis at 08:54 AM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

I take form comments like this that the Republicans are really sweating the present Sequester situation in Congress.

For one thing, its being described as a "debacle". In other words, Republicans really do suspect that someone is going to get hurt after next week. Hurt badly.

For another thing, Republicans are trying to make sure that Obama takes the fall for the "debacle", completely regardless of their own role in it.

All this is going to be a bit hard to do, without some major league lying in future, given that as recently as this morning I've been seeing Republicans assert that the Sequester is no big deal and nothing horrible will happen because of it.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, there are those Republicans who are glad to say that they hope the Sequester just smashes everything to hell. The theory seems to be that a burned house is better than the house we have, and that they will get the opportunity to erect a structure more to their liking later upon the ruins.

Fat chance. They're going to experience an ancient American tradition, tar-and-feathering.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Of course, there are those Republicans who are glad to say that they hope the Sequester just smashes everything to hell."

well, those folks are just as ignorant and partisan as any dem who believes the sequester will "smash" anything.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-21 09:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

The sequester will probably go into effect for a very short time before both sides realize they can't refuse to compromise. It will be hard for Republicans to defend refusing to close loop holes for companies that pay no income tax.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-21 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2013

If there were no downside to the Sequester, there would be no controversy to the Sequester.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

#1 Obama himself has said this is a problem of both parties making. Then he suggested the sequestration as part of the solution to the gridlock.

This sequestration problem now is a direct result of Obama. That is hard to dispute. The two parties also have their "fair share" of responsibility in the matter after that.

#6 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-21 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama gets what he wants....gut the Military. Why do you think he put sequestration on the table in the first place? He owns this boongoggle.

#7 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-02-21 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

This sequester thing reminds me of what happens when someone gets attacked by a shark at a public beach. Almost everyone stands around watching the poor guy scream. But almost invariably, one or two people will risk everything they have to jump into the water and pull the body from the shark's jaws.

This is the thesis of this article. That Obama should be that one person; be the better person. Perhaps he should. But I'm afraid that would define everyone who stayed on the beach as being the worst of cowards.

I'm thinking that Mr. Boehner and the rest of the Vandals are betting on Obama's better nature coming to the rescue of the country here. They sure as hell won't rescue anyone.

As for the charge of cowardice? Real cowards don't care about such things.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If there were no downside to the Sequester, there would be no controversy to the Sequester."

bullshit. politicans make up controversy out of nothing every day.

and you're a great example why they do it.

you're deathly afraid of this thing, Zed. you are.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-21 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The two parties also have their "fair share" of responsibility in the matter after that."

As in their decision to go with sequester rather than compromise?

It was the choice of the "supercomittee" to accept sequestration.

The piper wants his money.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-02-21 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

you're deathly afraid of this thing, Zed. you are.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02

I'm deathly afraid of very little, save for spiders. Not much need for fear. If the worst happens I'm taken care of.

Oh, something that does make me a little fearful? John Boehner lying like a Big Dog about his own recent attitudes concerning the Sequester. Mitt Romney had more effect on the Republican Party than I thought.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

#10 Yes, when legislation is rendered without an intelligent mind involved in the process, you end up with situations like this.

#12 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-21 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm deathly afraid of very little, save for spiders and Scott Walker.
#11 | Posted by Zed

#13 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-02-21 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm deathly afraid of very little,"

you're afraid of a lot, Zed. You're posts prove it.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-21 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

you're afraid of a lot, Zed. You're posts prove it.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2013

I'm afraid of paper cuts. Have I ever posted about that?

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm deathly afraid of very little, save for spiders and Scott Walker.
#11 | Posted by Zed

#13 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-02

Oh, I just found Scott offensive. I'd have to use a Kleenex in order to dispose of a dead spider; a dead Scott I could actually touch.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not to my recollection.

But then again, you'd have a hard time pinning paper cuts on the GOP.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-21 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

On the compromise reached which brought us sequestration Bohner stated at the time:
"I got 98% of what I wanted. I'm happy with the deal"

#18 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2013-02-21 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

how many people here give a crap who "owns" the sequester?

seriously. Because if any of you raise your hands, then you are also admitting you don't even understand it and the impact of it.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-21 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ron Fournier's position is nuts. The president can't make the House reach a deal to avoid sequestration. All he can do is work his half of the negotiations to make a deal happen. Fournier acknowledges this is the fifth fiscal standoff since the GOP took the House. He also acknowledges that Obama has gone further to compromise than the House has.

Given those two facts, his claim that Obama "owns this mess" is ridiculous.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-21 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Although there are a small number of exceptions, both parties are marching to the same song for the 1%. All this drama is just that, a script to make it seem like there is a crisis and our fearless leaders will save us. Then we're supposed to be grateful, when all they're really doing is blatantly and unnecessarily screwing us. Don't believe any of it for a minute. You are being manipulated by the current generation of Goebels.

#21 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-02-21 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.

#22 | Posted by cbob at 2013-02-21 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

You all forget................ little o is the one that proposed the haphazard budget cuts.

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-21 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Given those two facts, his claim that Obama "owns this mess" is ridiculous.

#20 | Posted by rcade

He is responsible if he doesn't sign that bill sitting on his desk.

What? There is no bill from Congress sitting on his desk?

Then the Executive Branch is not responsible as there is nothing from the Legislative Branch to sign or veto.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-21 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

You all forget...............John Boehner took his crew on vacation rather than dealing with this problem.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-21 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

This whole crisis is manufactured just to keep the left right paradigm going. What reasonable, logical person would believe that 8% reduction in federal government spending will reap economic doom? If it does, then it just goes to show that the American economy is too connected to federal government and that connection needs to be severed.

Re #25 "You all forget...............John Boehner took his crew on vacation rather than dealing with this problem."

Yeah, Obama doesn't take vacations, right. Keep up that partisan B.S. danni and we all will be eating onion and cucumber sandwiches on ship filled with sewage.

#26 | Posted by danv at 2013-02-21 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

If there were no downside to the Sequester, there would be no controversy to the Sequester.

did you have a problem with sequestration before last week or after it?

#27 | Posted by Axiom at 2013-02-21 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

did you have a problem with sequestration before last week or after it?

#27 | Posted by Axiom at 2013-02-21 01

I had a problem with it at the moment of its birth. I had a problem with super-committee, so-called, at the moment of its birth. That being said, I never would have thought that allegedly mature people would in the end be this crazy.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, Obama doesn't take vacations, right. Keep up that partisan B.S. danni and we all will be eating onion and cucumber sandwiches on ship filled with sewage.

#26 | Posted by danv at 2013-02-21 01:32 PM

The issue is vacations? I'd have thought the issue is the timing of vacations. Not that timing could possibly ever communicate anything concerning personal attitude.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

He also acknowledges that Obama has gone further to compromise than the House has. Given those two facts, his claim that Obama "owns this mess" is ridiculous.

#20 | POSTED BY RCADE

Obama signed the bill, RCADE. The supercommittee was his idea and they presented their plan to him...and he signed it. I think he believed one of two things when he did so:
1. Congress would come to a compromise to prevent the sequestration, which would entail tax increases and cuts to discretionary spending
or
2. The Bush tax cuts would end and spending cuts would go into effect as a result of sequestration.

In the end, he got the best of both. He got the end to the the Bush tax cuts for the upper tier while the media portrayed anyone who believed otherwise as wanting to hurt the middle class AND he's getting cuts to discretionary spending, primarily from the DOD. This is completely in his wheelhouse. Lucky for him a compliant media is doing his bidding by leaving his name out of it.

#30 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-21 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Re #29 - Doesn't really matter, Obama won't cut anything out of the domestic budget because his voters might not get there checks. On this issue I support Boehner, go sequestration!!!!

BTW - What message does it send when Obama takes a Valentines day trip to Hawaii, again, while his wife ski's in Aspen, then both have the [...] gall to try and complain about the rich "not paying there fair share". Then you rubes buy that load of crap.

They are just as elitist as any hedge fund manager or CEO, except they use tax dollars to vacations instead of actually earning the money themselves.

#31 | Posted by danv at 2013-02-21 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lucky for him a compliant media is doing his bidding by leaving his name out of it.

#30 | Posted by MUSTANG

His name is all over it. AND it is working out just fine.

Why is that? He is a master political chess player and the Republicans are still playing checkers.

And because the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot.

Again.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-21 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama signed the bill, RCADE.

There was nothing wrong with the sequester being passed a year ago to avoid the House from defaulting on the debt ceiling. It was a useful threat to compel the House and president to reach a deficit reduction deal.

Obama has reached out further than the House to avoid the sequester. But once again, the House can't get its act together.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-21 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

And because the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013

That can happen in checkers.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2013-02-21 02:36 PM |

He sure has reached out and blamed everything on someone else. Then he THREATENED the American people that they and their kids would be poisoned, not get educated, protected, or be able to make the flight.

Great job Mr. President, way to strike fear into the hearts of all Americans. Obama might be trying to one up the Mayans as he predicts the worlds end every 3-6 months.

#35 | Posted by T_Man at 2013-02-21 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There was nothing wrong with the sequester being passed a year ago to avoid the House from defaulting on the debt ceiling."

But it should never have been necessary to do that just to get them to raise the debt ceiling.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-21 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33 Does he have a proposal to avoid this?

A budget perhaps?

From what I hear, only two plans have been proposed to deal with this issue, they didn't come primarily from the WH or the senate.

#37 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-21 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 It should never have been necessary to raise the debt ceiling so often and fail to create a budget for as long as a budget has failed to be created.

Both parties are at fault, the president said so himself. The president is also at fault. Raising the debt limit = failure of leadership.

#38 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-21 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The sequester will probably go into effect for a very short time before both sides realize they can't refuse to compromise. It will be hard for Republicans to defend refusing to close loop holes for companies that pay no income tax.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-21 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag

No, just let the cuts happen and once they do the republicans will figure out that this isn't their problem it is the presidents problem.

The republicans are showing they can make cuts, the president is showing he can spend and spend and spend.

#39 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-21 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Given those two facts, his claim that Obama "owns this mess" is ridiculous.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-21 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag

Really, this has been the authoritarian liberal obama problem for some time.

A primary meme of the Democratic Party in 2013 is that the federal government doesn't have a spending problem. That is what President Obama reportedly said to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in their January budget negotiations. Acting on that assumption, Obama's State of the Union address signaled his desire to scuttle the 2011 sequestration deal that appears to be the American people's last best hope to trim federal spending.

Since 2011 obama has been doing this game, never trying to fix the problem. Obama and his lazy do nothingness just continues and continues and what is truely amazing is the following can't manage to see this lack of action.

#40 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-21 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

You all forget...............John Boehner took his crew on vacation rather than dealing with this problem.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-21 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag

No, did you forget that the authoritarian liberal obama says the government doesn't have a spending problem.

#41 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-21 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The republicans are showing they can make cuts

#39 | Posted by moneywar at

Irrationally make cuts, sure. But the real fun is going to be how they deal with the howls from their own Districts, once the layoffs begin.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then he (Obama) THREATENED the American people that they and their kids would be poisoned, not get educated, protected, or be able to make the flight.

#35 | Posted by T_Man at

With GDP reduced by an estimated half-percent because of the Kamikaze Sequester, some people are bound to be hurt.

Obama's just reminding Republicans of the ouch factor in their behavior. Which he needs to do. Not that Republicans are in tune with their inner ouch at the moment, but just wait.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

But it should never have been necessary to do that just to get them to raise the debt ceiling.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-21 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag

Wow, the authoritarian liberal shows the will for spending and spending and spending with nothing of oversight.

#44 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-21 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Irrationally make cuts, sure. But the real fun is going to be how they deal with the howls from their own Districts, once the layoffs begin.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag

Really, who put the cuts on the board in the first place? Now it is coming to haunt.

You authoritarian liberals just can't accept responsibility for anything and don't want to do any work to fix your problems. Just free loading on the government dime without having to work.

#45 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-21 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

That can happen in checkers.

Full contact checkers!

#46 | Posted by Axiom at 2013-02-21 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

And because the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013

That can happen in checkers.

#34 | Posted by Zed

I guess.

If you play checkers with a drunken gun nut.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-21 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just free loading on the government dime without having to work.

#45 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-21 04:33 PMFlag: (Choose)
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My, my. So that's how you see the world.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-21 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just free loading on the government dime without having to work.

#45 | Posted by moneywar

Like that dang Peznit. He just sits around all day and eats gubmint watermelons.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-21 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

The republicans are showing they can make cuts ...

Where? If they can't pass a bill to avoid the sequester, they haven't shown they can make cuts.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-21 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really, this has been the authoritarian liberal obama problem for some time.

Calling other liberals "authoritarian liberals" over this issue is weird. What is the non-authoritarian position on the sequester, vs. the authoritarian position?

#51 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-21 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The downside to the sequester is on the libbies' front porch. It's that 800,000 people will be furloughed, and nobody will even notice. That is, unless Zero makes a big point of it, like by just laying off a few hundred thousand fascists now working airport "security" or something.

Then the question will be asked of all Americans, are you willing to have your taxes go up, so that 800,000 DOD personnel can be put back on the job at $123,000 a year?

Nope. In fact, let's find some more.

#52 | Posted by uglyblinddate at 2013-02-21 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where? If they can't pass a bill to avoid the sequester, they haven't shown they can make cuts.

#50 | Posted by rcade

agree, I'm curious to see what, if anything, would actually result from sequester.
from the dollar amount involved it doesn't seem like much

but yawn, it's a never-ending impending crisis,

auto companies collapsing
banks failing
bridges falling
insurance failing
SARS
bird flu
pig flu
meteors
asteroids
hemoroids/Kim Kardashian
machine guns
mexicans
lance armstrong
electtrical grid
glaciers melting

yawn :(

#53 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-02-21 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

In D.C. they call a failure to increase spending a "cut." Do I believe that there is 1.2 trillion in cuts? No, I don't. More creative book keeping and extrapolating into the future when who knows what a subsequent Congress will do, especially if the Democrats get the House.

#54 | Posted by Donald at 2013-02-21 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#43 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2013-02-21 04:29 PM

If I made you cut 2.5% out of your budget, would you starve or cut out or reduce your cable service? Maybe don't eat out as much? Again, Obama is threating the American people while trying to scare them as if the world will end.

#55 | Posted by T_Man at 2013-02-21 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I made you cut 2.5% out of your budget, would you starve or cut out or reduce your cable service? Maybe don't eat out as much? Again, Obama is threating the American people while trying to scare them as if the world will end.

#55 | Posted by T_Man at 2013-02-21 09

Sure, as an example I would not eat out as much, or perhaps at all.

I shouldn't have to tell you that if that's multiplied by a few million, more than a few businesses related to the restaurant service and vegetable produce and cattle raising industries will have to close. People who were making a profit or merely earning a wage no longer will.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-22 08:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

The problem with the modern Republican Party is that they think that people aren't really human beings, but rather a form of pet that should always have to exist on their terms.

I could survive 2.5% out of my budget, though I would not like that at all. However, I am close enough to my roots to recall when a 2.5% in my family budget would be a pure and unmitigated disaster.

The Republican Party needs to get a clue or it needs to die. Its in the way, ad if it conhtinue so someone will take it to the vet to be put to sleep.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-22 08:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I am close enough to my roots to recall when a 2.5% reduction in my family budget would be a pure and unmitigated disaster".

I'm edging closer to the place where I think that no man or woman should be president without having honorably completed some form of national service.

I'm already to the place where I think no one should be president without having, at some point in their life, had to chose between buying groceries or gasoline.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-22 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Across the board cuts are better than what's actually going to happen, even if the across the board cuts are invoked for a few weeks.

Obama begins every "negotiation" (if you can call it that) with a concession. Every promise he made before he knocked Hillary out of the race has been broken. He never lifted a finger on behalf of universal health care.

#59 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-02-22 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

.... 2.3 $Trillion Dollars Missing from Pentagon!

**** If a Foreign Country had "Raped & Pillaged" America like Bush & Obama have...all out WAR would be declared!

www.youtube.com

#60 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2013-02-22 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#57 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2013-02-22 08:50 AM

Good, a 2.5% decrease is not much more than a cost of living increase. It's like not getting a yearly raise. Know why it doesn't mean much? Because even with sequestration, the government will still spend more than last year. It's easy to do when the democrats never even pass a budget.

Also, you do realize these cuts will not be on restaurants or the cattle industry? It's on the federal government. If you make some correlation it will just prove that the government should not control the markets.

My point about you not eating out was to prove that if you had to cut 2.5%, you would cut things you can do without. Every sector of government has waste. They should be forced to cut 2.5% out of their budgets every year. Ask anyone who works for the government, they are always scared that if they don't spend EVERYTHING in their budget, they can't ask for more the next year. If they ever get to the end of a budget year and they have money left, they make [...] up to spend it on

I also believe that politicians have lost touch with real Americans and real life. Term limits are needed along with a restructuring of all their benefits.

#61 | Posted by T_Man at 2013-02-22 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

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