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Tuesday, February 19, 2013

February 13, 2013

At approximately 7 PM ET, I listened through a police scanner as San Bernardino Sheriffs gave the order to burn down the cabin where suspected murderer Christopher Dorner was allegedly hiding. Deputies were maneuvering a remote controlled demolition vehicle to the base of the cabin, using it to tear down the walls of the cabin where Dorner was hiding, and peering inside.

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In an initial dispatch, a deputy reported seeing "blood spatter" inside the cabins. Dorner, who had just engaged in a firefight with deputies that killed one officer and wounded another, may have been wounded in the exchange. There was no sign of his presence, let alone his resistance, according to police dispatches.

It was then that the deputies decided to burn the cabin down.

"We're gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner," one sheriff's deputy told another. "Like we talked about." Minutes later, another deputy's voice crackled across the radio: "The burner's deployed and we have a fire."

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""Burn that [f------] house down!" shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. "[F------] burn this [m-----f-----!]" another cop could be heard exclaiming. "

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Our only other choice was to let Dorner get away. Why do you whine and not offer alternatives, nullifidian?

-The Obamabots

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-19 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2 - if they thought Dorner was injured why did they not wait him out or try to communicate with him?

Dorner will become a folk hero over the way the police screwed up on this one.

#3 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2013-02-19 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey, we're just waiting to get all the information before judging whether this was unlawful or not.

-"liberals" turned authoritarians, est 2009

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-19 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dorner became a "folk hero" because cops keep killing people, like that downs syndrome guy, and then going right back to duty. The death was ruled a homicide and they didn't even get paid leave...they just went to work the next day.

The police in this country have such a bad reputation, that a murderous piece of garbage like Dorner is cheered on. Pathetic.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-19 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

The San Bernardino sheriff denies that police intended to set fire to the cabin Dorner was holed up in. The burners referenced in scanner talk refers to incendiary tear gas cartridges, which do not intentionally start fires but pose a significant fire risk because of the heat they produce.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Listen to the audio, rogers...

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-19 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 yeah...

#8 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

The San Bernardino sheriff denies that police intended to set fire to the cabin Dorner was holed up in

And we have this,

"We're gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner," one sheriff's deputy told another. "Like we talked about." Minutes later, another deputy's voice crackled across the radio: "The burner's deployed and we have a fire."

Does anyone believe the police didn't intend to burn down the cabin? Is there anyone out there that is that naive and gullible.

#10 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reposted this to my facebook page...It looks like this:

"Burn that [f------] house down!" shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. "[F------] burn this [m-----f-----!]" another cop could be heard exclaiming. "

Hilarious. This bowdlerized thread will now be safe for children to read. Nuffifidian www.drudge.com

#11 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bob Brown ~ I put that on the Rage Page group,thanks (Bani) www.facebook.com

#12 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bob Brown just posted this audio you tube link to my facebook page...

Police Audio Reveals "Plan" to Burn Down Dorner's Cabin
PrisonPlanetLive·77 videos

143,678 already watched it

www.youtube.com

#13 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

RAGE PAGE THE SYSTEM IS COLLAPSING (reposted here:>)

www.facebook.com

#14 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

FRIDAY, FEB 15, 2013 07:00 PM CST
LAPD's indefensible Dorner pursuit
The hunt for Christopher Dorner, which injured innocent civilians, reveals how little the department has changed
BY DAVID CAY JOHNSTON

www.salon.com

#15 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The San Bernardino sheriff denies that police intended to set fire to the cabin Dorner was holed up in.

Of course they do. You're not naive enough to think they'd admit to breaking the very laws they supposedly enforce, are you?

The burners referenced in scanner talk refers to incendiary tear gas cartridges, which do not intentionally start fires but pose a significant fire risk because of the heat they produce.

We know this.

We also know that it seems a little odd that they "had" to use them. That they used seven of them. And that there are multiple scanner transcripts of comments blatantly calling for a fire to be set.

What is it going to take for you to find this situation incredibly fishy? A picture of a sheriffs deputy holding a zippo against the base of the wall?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-19 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it going to take for you to find this situation incredibly fishy?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-19

That there aren't multiple scanner transcripts of what they said?

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it going to take for you to find this situation incredibly fishy?

As I've said multiple times, I think the decisions that led to the fire should be investigated.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Police opened fire on this vehicle in a case of mistaken identity while searching for former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner. (Credit: Reuters/Patrick Fallon)
In hunting down Christopher J. Dorner, hell-bent on murderous revenge over being fired from the Los Angeles Police Department, officers twice fired without warning on three innocent civilians, wounding two of them.

"That innocent people get shot by cops who think their own safety is paramount, whose actions show they value their own lives more than those of people they are sworn to protect, is part of a major problem in America that has not abated much despite decades of efforts to make policing more professional and less brutish. It is the policy of police departments that police cannot kill innocents to save themselves, in effect, that sometimes your sworn duty is to die. But, on the streets, it is far too often another story entirely.

"The victims of this Feb. 7 police violence bore no resemblance to Dorner or his vehicle. The deranged Dorner drove a gray Nissan Titan pickup, while LAPD fired a fusillade into a bright blue Toyota Tacoma pickup from behind, while minutes later Torrance, Calif., police rammed a black Honda Ridgeline pickup and then fired three shots.

"Dorner was a large, even hulking, black man. In the blue truck were two Hispanic women. Torrance police shot at a surfer, a white male slight in stature.

"Luckily none of these innocents died, though one of the women was shot in the back." media.salon.com (see for view of shot up car! link to article in #15:>)

#19 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it going to take for you to find this situation incredibly fishy?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-19

I love it when conspiracies are announced, right out loud, and in public.....makes them so much more.....Effective.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, at least we now know Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK because of the Warren Report!

#21 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I love it when conspiracies are announced, right out loud, and in public.....makes them so much more.....Effective."

What I love is when the new-found admirers of the LAPD, people who describe themselves as "liberals" for some odd reason, take anti-conspiracy arguments to a lunatic extreme and believe every effin' word from the LAPD and the media. I hate conspiracy theories, but where there is smoke, there is fire. Dorner never was going to be taken alive.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dorner never was going to be taken alive.

Dorner had days to turn himself in. As an ex-cop he knew better than anyone how to engineer a peaceful surrender. He could've even invited the media to be there when he did, to assure his safety.

The biggest reason Dorner wasn't captured alive was Dorner.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The biggest reason Dorner wasn't captured alive was Dorner."

That's what Lee Harvey Oswald said!

#24 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have to find every excuse under the sun for the police not having to follow the law.

I find it incredible that the actions of the police are not being protested by the authoritarian liberals, it shows the real lack of respect for the society at large.

#25 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"As an ex-cop he knew better than anyone how to engineer a peaceful surrender...

assuming the other party--the LAPD--wanted a peaceful surrender.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

He could have turned himself into the Fish and Game Wardens that tried to stop him more than once.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I find it incredible that the actions of the police are not being protested by the authoritarian liberals

#25 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02

I'm sorry that's what you see.

If the man had his civil rights infringed, that should be fairly easy to establish, given that everything was done RIGHT IN PUBLIC.

Conspiracy seems to be a default mode for human intellect. That is, in the absence of thought, people see conspiracies.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dorner could have done lots of things but that still doesn't excuse the behavior of the police no matter how many excuses you would like that to be.

#29 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

assuming the other party--the LAPD--wanted a peaceful surrender.

The LAPD did not run the cabin standoff. It occurred in San Bernardino County and was run by its sheriff's department. Dorner was hiding for days in that county.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I find it incredible that the actions of the police are not being protested by the authoritarian liberals"

Sad but true. Before Jan. 2009 "liberals" hated the LAPD, and for good cause.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have to find every excuse under the sun for the police not having to follow the law.

#25 | Posted by moneywar

If the police didn't follow the law, then by all means prosecute them.

My mind's on that local (and his little dog) whose car Young Hero stole at gunpoint.

This is where the 2nd Amendment has a real use and is not someone's emotional fetish. Dorner should have been shot dead at that point by someone, anyone, at that moment.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who is talking conspiracy, oh, the excuse making authoritarian liberals.

The police clearly shown poor judgement and wrongful action and the only thing the authoritarian liberals can do is make anyone who sees the horrible police action as wrong to be conspiracy people.

The is no excuse for the polices actions, none.

#33 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dorner could have done lots of things but that still doesn't excuse the behavior of the police no matter how many excuses you would like that to be.

#29 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02

What did that Fish and Game officer do wrong that meant he ought to be killed by Dorner? The man did die, didn't he?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The is no excuse for the polices actions, none.

#33 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:44 PM

Perhaps not. But I think this case has tapped into some truly weird internal content for many.

I glad Dorner is dead. He was very likely to kill someone else. If the police are criminals in this case ALSO, then let them serve the penalty.

I'm not at all sure why this is controversial.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

assuming the other party--the LAPD--wanted a peaceful surrender.

The LAPD did not run the cabin standoff. It occurred in San Bernardino County and was run by its sheriff's department. Dorner was hiding for days in that county.

assuming the other party -- the police -- wanted a peaceful surrender!

#36 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The LAPD did not run the cabin standoff. It occurred in San Bernardino County "

I knew somebody would say that, which is why I considered adding this line:

BTW, San Bernardino is a rightwing county, far more than Los Angeles county. LAPD can count on their San Berdoo brothers to do their dirty work.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, San Bernardino is a rightwing county, far more than Los Angeles county. LAPD can count on their San Berdoo brothers to do their dirty work.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013

Default mode.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"assuming the other party--the LAPD--wanted a peaceful surrender."

If the Retort had an edit function I would change this to:

assuming the other party--the LAPD and their San Bernardino homies--wanted a peaceful surrender.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I glad Dorner is dead.

Well that is nice, how do you know dorner did this? Because the very people who killed him say he did this.

We have laws for a reason, and not even the law enforcement is exempt from following our laws. The convicted killed him on their says so without anyone questioning.

#40 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well that is nice, how do you know dorner did this? Because the very people who killed him say he did this.

#40 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:52 PM

Pish-posh.

Keep on going. The next step is that it was LAPD who assassinated that little girl and her boyfriend.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow,

Dorner was innocent? Then who killed all those police officers?

You liberals are stupid.

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree with the LAPD and Sheriff dept. You come after me and kill my brothers and sisters and their families, you dont get to choose anything. You shoot at me and you are going down.

And I dont feel the least bit bad about him burning to death.

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would you let Dorner bring the pain to the police dept and not give the police dept the same chance to bring it to Dorner?

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41 | Posted by Zed

Give me an L!...A!...P!...D!

L...A...P...D fight fight fight!

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Give me an L!...A!...P!...D!

L...A...P...D fight fight fight!

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 03

This has been an interesting introduction to California tribalism.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:


Why would you let Dorner bring the pain to the police dept and not give the police dept the same chance to bring it to Dorner?

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag

Really, not much on basic civics.

The police departments are to up hold the law.

#47 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

The difference between Dorner and Dillinger? John would have been fun to talk to.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

The San Bernardino sheriff denies that police intended to set fire to the cabin Dorner was holed up in. The burners referenced in scanner talk refers to incendiary tear gas cartridges, which do not intentionally start fires but pose a significant fire risk because of the heat they produce.

RCade, why do you repeatedly ignore links that have been shoved in your face proving that, immediately after firing non-explosive tear gas cartridges, the police fired incendiary tear gas cartridges which pose a significantly higher probability of starting a fire?

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2013-02-19 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#48 | Posted by Zed

When did you learn to stop worrying and love the LAPD, "liberal" Zed?

#50 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree with the LAPD and Sheriff dept. You come after me and kill my brothers and sisters and their families, you dont get to choose anything. You shoot at me and you are going down.

And I dont feel the least bit bad about him burning to death.

#43 | Posted by boaz

Boaz and Zed...
Sittin' in a tree...

Cheer up Zed, you and Boaz are on the same team now. lol

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

When did you learn to stop worrying and love the LAPD, "liberal" Zed?

#50 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013

Is this how you control other people you have in your life?

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boaz and Zed...
Sittin' in a tree...

Cheer up Zed, you and Boaz are on the same team now. lol

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:

As I was saying....

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

And I dont feel the least bit bad about him burning to death. #43 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2013-02-19 03:56 PM | FLAG: Christian

#54 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-02-19 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The police departments are to up hold the law.

Sure, but if you shoot at them, they are going to shoot back you know..

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

And I dont feel the least bit bad about him burning to death.

#43 | Posted by boaz

Well said, boaz.

--Barack

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#54 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

I also understand the concept of Justice, which liberals never understood. If you try to kill the police, do not expect kid gloves to try to apprehend you. If you try to kill the military, dont expect us to coddle you to bring you to military tribunal. Which is why Bin Laden was popped in the head..

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

immediately after firing non-explosive tear gas cartridges, the police fired incendiary tear gas cartridges which pose a significantly higher probability of starting a fire?

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2013-02-19 04:01 PMFlag: (Choose)
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So, what's your theory? I'd have to guess that it is this must have been the most poorly run conspiracy since the dawn of the age.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, he could have continued to fight his dismissal in court rather than murdering innocent people.... or turned himself in at any time afterwards... but then, how could LAPD Haters make a martyr of him?

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

-this must have been the most poorly run conspiracy since the dawn of the age.

lol, you'd think too that if they had really for sure wanted to burn him up, they would have used a fully incendiary device that was no question going to start a fire rather than a device that might only maybe sometimes on alternate Tuesdays start a fire.

Like a Zippo.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"LAPD Haters"

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag: DNC liberal

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

| Reply | Flag: DNC liberal

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013

Better tone up your act, CORKY. NULLI might not let you into the tree house.

This is all pretty silly. So, LAPD are the Black-and-Tans and you're the Irish Republican Army.

What a waste of life. At least the Irish could be romantic.

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCade, why do you repeatedly ignore links that have been shoved in your face proving that, immediately after firing non-explosive tear gas cartridges, the police fired incendiary tear gas cartridges which pose a significantly higher probability of starting a fire?

I referred to incendiary tear gas cartridges in my comment and said they are more likely to cause a fire. You're accusing me of ignoring something I referenced, which you quoted.

#63 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

lapd haters?

The authoritarian liberals can't stand the idea of requiring our law officers to follow our laws.

It wouldn't matter what police department it was for me, this was wrong on all levels and don't understand why anyone would think different.

#64 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

LAPD can count on their San Berdoo brothers to do their dirty work.

LAPD isn't right wing. Los Angeles has had one Republican mayor in the last 50 years. Your premise is that a right-wing county would do the dirty work for the cops in a left-wing county.

#65 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

-NULLI might not let you into the tree house.

He pulled up the ladder to the He-Man Obama/LAPD Haters Club.

www.youtube.com

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Los Angeles has had one Republican mayor in the last 50 years. "

I know that. I live here. People elsewhere, like say Florida, don't know jack about Southern California or the LAPD or San Bernardino or anything else, judging by what I've read on the Retort.

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

In Los Angeles, a Police Force Transformed

"It's been an amazing transformation," said John W. Mack, a former head of the Urban League who is the president of the Police Commission, the civilian board that oversees the force.

"The L.A.P.D. of today is very, very different than 10, 12 years ago, when I was one of the people who was constantly battling them."

Constance Rice, a civil rights lawyer who regularly sued the department two decades ago, said, "We've gone from a state of war to becoming partners here."

The department, once widely assailed as racist, homophobic, authoritarian and corrupt, is now viewed as more friend than foe by most people in this city, including blacks and Hispanics, according to polls.

A 2009 poll by The Los Angeles Times found that 8 in 10 voters strongly or somewhat approved of the performance of the department, with 76 percent of Latinos and 68 percent of blacks giving the agency positive grades; some analysts said that given the relative lack of contentious issues and the continuing drop in the crime rate, the department's approval numbers have if anything continued to improve since that time.

www.nytimes.com

Old LAPD Haters never die.... I guess.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

People elsewhere, like say Florida, don't know jack about Southern California or the LAPD ...

You think the LAPD is right wing?

I think it isn't the LAPD of the Ramparts scandal and Rodney King beating any more, and people should recognize that it's a far more accountable and inclusive department than it used to be.

#69 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

article Published: August 12, 2011

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

The sad thing about this whole affair is that Dorner was one "sick" puppy. However, actions have consequences as most of us teach our children----lefties excluded. That's why lefties will parse every unfortunate event that may fit into their neat little agendas. That's also why PC exists today since lefties have no sense of standards except applied to those outside their agendas. I feel sorry for Dorner in the sense he was probably one tortured soul who possibly bordered on a severe paranoia personality disorder. Situations like this just are sad for everyone involved. There are no winners.

#71 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

that it's a far more accountable and inclusive department than it used to be.

#69 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 04:47 PM | Reply

Implying inclusiveness creates accountability?

#72 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are fascism/communism both feathers of the same Police State wing?

#73 | Posted by Bani at 2013-02-19 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The L.A.P.D. of today is very, very different than 10, 12 years ago,"

Fascists then, fascists now.

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have a fundamental sympathy for people doing their jobs, especially their dirty jobs.

The police involved in this matter were engaged in their duty. If you think they committed crimes in the course of their duty, then as I've said please prosecute them.

I'd just like to point out that Dorner wasn't working the day he was killed. He was on vacation.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just making crap up and ascribing it to opposition doesn't change the fact the "police" were wrong in their behavior and made this nothing more than a group police murder.

#76 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#71 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 04:49 PM | Reply

I've never seen a republican accept rsponsibility for anything. I'm sure they teach their children the same "pass the buck" mentality as they themselves live by. The first words most republicans speak are "Obama's fault".

#77 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2013-02-19 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have to wonder why former ACLU-type liberals who bashed Bush for the Patriot Act and other crimes are now defending the LAPD.

It's probably just a coincidence that their sudden love of repressive state power emerges after January of 2009.

#78 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Fascists then, fascists now.

Most of the people of LA don't seem to think so. Including those that fought against them back when.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You think the LAPD is right wing?"

what were they during Rodney King? OJ?

they were racist thugs, if memory serves.

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-19 04:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

8 in 10 voters strongly or somewhat approved of the performance of the department, with 76 percent of Latinos and 68 percent of blacks giving the agency positive grades;

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

As much as I realize that I wouldn't want the cops doing this to almost any other suspect, I have a hard time getting mad that this was done to Dorner. He was murderous scum and now he's dead. Boo-friggin-hooo.

#82 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-19 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"they were racist thugs, if memory serves."

Eberly gets it, and he doesn't even live here. May never have visited as far as I know.

#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

The first words most republicans speak are "Obama's fault".

#77 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2013-02-19 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL, just look at this blog, the authoritarian liberals have gone from bush, to bush, to now reagans fault.

There is some dreaming going on her but obama is the problem not the solution.

#84 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#71 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 04:49 PM | Reply

I've never seen a republican accept rsponsibility for anything. I'm sure they teach their children the same "pass the buck" mentality as they themselves live by. The first words most republicans speak are "Obama's fault".

#77 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2013-02-19 04:55 PM | Reply

That could be, Bob, but the conservatives I know drum into their children the art of responsibility/accountability. Of course, they also teach love for lefties since they explain to their children lefties are genetically handicapped and can't help themselves.

#85 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:


As much as I realize that I wouldn't want the cops doing this to almost any other suspect, I have a hard time getting mad that this was done to Dorner. He was murderous scum and now he's dead. Boo-friggin-hooo.

#82 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-19 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag

I like the selective police action murder, lets choose another individual the police can say are bad and let them go kill em.

Who needs drones we have the police possy now.

#86 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-02-19 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

since Rodney King, we have had many movies depicting LA cops as scum. We've seen video after video of LA cops (and cops all over the country in major cities) as thugs beating up on someone. Often times it's racially charged with white cops beating a black suspect.

I'm not picking on anybody for what happened to Dorner....like corky says..."boo hoo"

but for someone who lives far away from Southern California, the image of cops there has been extremely negative.

#87 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-19 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, Obama or Bush have absolutely nothing to do with this at all.

And as we can see, LAPD Hating has become a vast minority view since the bad old days.

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"OJ?"

Oh yeah, OJ was so mistreated. That Bronco chase was just brutal!

LOL

#89 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-19 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"8 in 10 voters strongly or somewhat approved "

10 in 10 Obama liberals strongly approve the LAPD.

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#83

not really southern california. San Fran area 2 or 3 times. Palm Springs once.

#91 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-19 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

-a vast minority view since the bad old days.... in LA, I mean. The rest of the country may not have caught up, which only aids the Haters.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

And as we can see, LAPD Hating has become a vast minority view since the bad old days.

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 05:06 PM | Reply | F

Then the "minority view" should be accepted since it would be the politically correct thing to do.

#93 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Oh yeah, OJ was so mistreated."

I was really referring to Mark Furhman and other cops who were labeled racists and were accused of framing poor OJ.

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-19 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"LAPD Hating "

Said by a "liberal". Better edit your profile, Hagbard.

#95 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Oh yeah, OJ was so mistreated."

I was really referring to Mark Furhman and other cops who were labeled racists and were accused of framing poor OJ.

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-19 05:08 PM | Reply |

The left bears an everlasting culpability for the murder of Simpson and Goldman.

#96 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-19 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

The headline should have been "Dorner Burns Alive!"

#97 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2013-02-19 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"since Rodney King, we have had many movies depicting LA cops as scum."

LAPD was scum for decades before Rodney King. That's what all these new LAPD-loving-liberals don't understand. The Watts Riot, triggered by LAPD brutality, happened in 1965(!), morons.

#98 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I like the selective police action murder, lets choose another individual the police can say are bad and let them go kill em."

Well only a fool would say that there are never clear cut situations where certain rules don't make sense.

I mean, that Dorner was a dangerous, murdering scumbag can't be reasonably refuted. How "ethical" is it to ask anyone to risk his/her life to apprehend him? Why not set the fire and give him the choice to come out or burn? In his case, it certainly makes more sensse from a moral standpoint than sending a non-murdering-lowlife in after him.

The problem is that cops can't be trusted to correctly identify the reasonable exceptions to the rules. Give them the lattitude to do so, and they'll be lighting houses that contain innocent people in them on fire sooner or later. That's why the rules must always be followed.

But from a philosophical standpoint, only an idiot would refuse to adknowledge that in certain situations, following procedures designed to protect the innocent is absurd. Hiding behind rules is just a refusal to think.

#99 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-19 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dorner Burns Alive!"

Or, "Zombie Burns Alive"... since he shot himself first.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"ince he shot himself first."

Yes but we don't know if he used a high capacity magazine and obviously, according to the control freaks, guns don't kill unless they have a big magazine and are painted black.

#101 | Posted by salamandagator at 2013-02-19 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Burn that [f------] house down!" shouted a deputy through a scanner "[F------] burn this [m-----f-----!]" another cop could be heard
exclaiming. "

No really this is Cop Talk to lure him out with plushy teddy bears
honest the cops wouldn't lie about this!

"If the man had his civil rights infringed, that should be fairly easy to establish, given that everything was done RIGHT IN PUBLIC."
#28 | Posted by Zed

THE MEDIA WAS KEPT ABOUT 5 MILES AWAY

#102 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-02-19 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree with the LAPD and Sheriff dept. You come after me and kill my brothers and sisters and their families, you dont get to choose anything. You shoot at me and you are going down.

And I dont feel the least bit bad about him burning to death.

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Why would you let Dorner bring the pain to the police dept and not give the police dept the same chance to bring it to Dorner?

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag

So, boaz, do you actually comprehend the oath you took? Or did you just mouth the words with no intention of believing it?

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-19 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have to wonder why former ACLU-type liberals who bashed Bush for the Patriot Act and other crimes are now defending the LAPD.

I have to wonder why you keep reducing everything to such ridiculous stereotypes. You want the LAPD to be guilty of seeking to murder Dorner in that cabin. You want every liberal who questions that to be a hypocrite.

Some of us have the same view on this we would've had in 2008 or 2004. I know that's not as much fun for you, but it's true.

#104 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Said by a "liberal". Better edit your profile, Hagbard.
#95 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I'd sooner prefer they just get honest and stop calling themselves liberals. I mean, I'm not the one who changed. But yeah... I guess. Point taken.

#105 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-02-19 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd sooner prefer they just get honest and stop calling themselves liberals. I mean, I'm not the one who changed.

#105 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013

What you think and believe concerning public policy is no where near as important to where you can be located politically as is your degree of personal alienation.

VERY alienated people are found where the Far Right and the Far Left meet. As many before me have pointed out, if you stand back far enough its really difficult to see much difference between them.

I'm supposed to be ashamed because BOAZ and I agree on a particular topic. Well, BOAZ isn't my enemy. If I have to hate BOAZ in order to call myself a Liberal, then I resign being one.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd sooner prefer they just get honest and stop calling themselves liberals.

Any comment said in defense of the LAPD on any matter would likely make some people call the commenter a fake liberal or a liberal authoritarian.

#107 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'd sooner prefer they just get honest and stop calling themselves liberals. "

I know. I may have to give up the word "leftist" as well. Do you know that there are people who call Obama a "leftist"? Amazing, but true.

I think I'll have to discard both "liberal" and "leftist" and call myself a nullifidian until I find a better long-term solution.

#108 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm supposed to be ashamed because BOAZ and I agree on a particular topic"

No. That's not why.

#109 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think I'll have to discard both "liberal" and "leftist" and call myself a nullifidian until I find a better long-term solution.

Any long-term solution that involves a group of people taking the same label as you is going to end in disappointment. That's the nature of political labels.

#110 | Posted by rcade at 2013-02-19 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pity-ful, jest pity-ful.

Barack Obama isn't quite the Noam Chomsky lefty that some people mistook him for, and they are so butt-hurt about their mistake that if other liberals don't agree with them on completely unrelated matters...

... like whether the the San Bernardino police acted properly or not, prior to an investigation, especially when said other liberals have stated that if the police intentionally set the fire they were going to far... which not everybody believes that to be the case.... and when said pants-pissing lefties refuse to accept the modern minority view, the up to 80-20 vast minority modern view in LA that the LAPD is the NOT same out of control corrupt force they were 15 or 20 years ago, then somehow said liberal are LINOs. [...]

#111 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Barack Obama isn't quite the Noam Chomsky lefty that some people mistook him for,"

Obama supporters have to lie to make their case these days. Pitiful. [...]

#112 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky, I think if you were to take a poll on how people view the LAPD now,it would be different. It's not so much that what happened to Dorner he didn't ask for. It was the way the police locked down on every one in So.Ca. It became a police state, why when it's their own the police are given a pass on following the law? They proved to everyone with common sense and probably to Dorner he wasn't to be taken alive.

#113 | Posted by patron at 2013-02-20 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

They proved to everyone with common sense and probably to Dorner he wasn't to be taken alive.

#113 | Posted by patron at 2013-02-20 09:43 AMFlag: (Choose)
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Ah, so Dorner was merely a practical man taking stock of his environment?

Dorner could have driven to Montpelier, Vermont, walked unarmed into the local police station, announced who he was, and asked for an attorney.

In fact, I doubt that he would have to drive as far as Vermont.

#114 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-20 09:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"In fact, I doubt that he would have to drive as far as Vermont."

He wouldn't had gotten very far.

latimesblogs.latimes.com

#115 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-20 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

He wouldn't had gotten very far.

#115 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02

He appears to have skated by for almost a week. The idea that he was forced to hang around and kill people for want of options is just weird.

#116 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-20 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#114 | Posted by Zed
You'll never get it. Ask the two ladies in the truck if they had the option of surrender. You keep making this about the Boo Hoo factor over Dorner's death. The way they operated you could be the next Dorner if you fit a certain description or drive the same car!

#117 | Posted by patron at 2013-02-20 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

You'll never get it.

#117 | Posted by patron at

No, I get it. You guys are attempting to make Dorner a symbol for all the ugly things policemen have done in Los Angeles.

That's a political act, and a pretty strange one.

#118 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-20 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry I'm far from left on my views. nothing political about as far as I'm concerned. And it not what cops HAVE done it what they just DID!

#119 | Posted by patron at 2013-02-20 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry I'm far from left on my views.

#119 | Posted by patron at

It doesn't matter. The people in Missouri supported the James Gang also because of what banks and railroads JUST DID.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-20 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I do not support Dorner, nor is he some cult hero to me if that's what you imply. And if it is what you imply,.... well I'm not allowed to say it.What Is it like to think that in the US a person can be shot just because the cops decide . Christ if they could shoot up a truck and whole neighborhood because they want to inflict street justice,and you're ok with it then You are the one with hero worship problems!

#121 | Posted by patron at 2013-02-20 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Christ if they could shoot up a truck and whole neighborhood because they want to inflict street justice,and you're ok with it then You are the one with hero worship problems!

#121 | Posted by patron at 2013-02-20 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag

We appear to speaking past each other. No sane person supports policemen just shooting people. No sane person supports Dorner.

Now, let the less sane hold forth.....

#122 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-20 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

#122 | POSTED BY ZED

despite what you may believe, it IS possible to empathize with dorner being screwed over by the corrupt, racist LAPD, while simultaneously strongly disagreeing with his decision to go on a murderous rampage.

I suppose the LAPD's own violent - albeit not quite murderous - rampage of their own in the search for dorner is justified, then? the coppers were so spooked they'd light up any vehicle which vaguely resembles the last-known one dorner had been driving?

sorry, but the view from black-and-white-land just can't square with reality.

just another example of the rabid dogmatism of Obama's democrats willingly offered up by an "authoritarian-liberal".

#124 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-21 03:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

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