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Investigators have a theory that Adam Lanza's interest in Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik might have led to the Dec. 14 massacre that left 20 children and six adults dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. Several news articles about Breivik were found in Lanza's bedroom, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation. Breivik set off bombs in downtown Oslo in July 2011 that killed eight people, then moved to the island of Utoya, where he shot and killed 69, most of them teenagers attending a summer camp.

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[...] Detectives investigating Newtown massacre find Adam Lanza's violent video games, ponder the 20-year-old mimicking a gory game scene

Thousands of dollars worth of games were found in the home of Lanza, who used assault weapons to gun down 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

During a search of the Newtown home he shared with his mother, Nancy Lanza, who also died Dec. 10 at the hands of her son, authorities discovered what appeared to be dozens, if not hundreds, of graphically violent games, the Hartford Courant reported.

The sad discovery has led detectives to investigate whether Lanza, 20, who turned one of his rifles on himself, may have been mimicking a gory scenario in one of the violent games he so loved to play.

Read more: www.nydailynews.com

#1 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-19 07:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Detectives investigating Newtown massacre find Adam Lanza's violent video games, ponder the 20-year-old mimicking a gory game scene

book shelves filled to the ceiling w violent vid-games... not much coverage on CNN

do journolista's still hold conference call on their narrative of the day?

does Rhein' get a transcript?

#3 | Posted by roadrunner22 at 2013-02-19 07:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder how many children would have been killed if his idiot mother hadn't supplied him with guns? She is directly to blame for the tragedy, anyone so stupid as to allow someone so mentally ill to have access to all those guns bears the responsibility for what they do with them.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-19 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

#4 That is correct. She incorrectly stored and secured her guns. That should bring about no penalties for individuals who do correctly store and secure their guns.

#5 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-19 08:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

"That should bring about no penalties for individuals who do correctly store and secure their guns."

I haven't heard of anyone wanting to penalize them. Background check them would be a good idea though.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-19 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Also, if authorities for any reason become aware of situations like the Lanza household where guns are readily available to mentally ill individuals those guns should be confiscated.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-19 08:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Did you not propose that no guns is an achievable dream of yours in another thread?

It would seem that you are wanting to penalize such individuals.

#7 I would say it should be made sure those guns are properly secured and after two random checks for that, the individual left alone.

#8 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-19 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | Posted by danni
I haven't heard of anyone wanting to penalize them.

You have now:

"In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall ... safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection."

In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail. seattletimes.com

Background check them would be a good idea though.

CT requires background checks, two week waiting periods, licensing and registration. www.nraila.org

#9 | Posted by et_al at 2013-02-19 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is nobody recognizing that these mass-shooters are created by anti-depressants?!

Now it's Breivik?! The Chicago Tribune is flanking for Big Pharma.

Fanapt Hoax Hides Real Connection Between Shooters and SSRI Drugs

The fact that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza was about to committed into psychiatric care before his rampage almost certainly indicates he was on one of the raft of anti-psychotic pharmaceuticals linked to aggression and suicide, but reports that Fanapt was the drug are likely inaccurate.

The original source for the claim that Lanza was on Fanapt appears to have been a New York Daily News article first published on Sunday afternoon and then revised on Monday morning.

The initial version of the story prompted the New York Magazine to cite the NY Daily News in reporting that "Adam's uncle....said he was taking an anti-psychotic drug called Fanapt." The story was then picked up by numerous other outlets.

However, the latest version of the NY Daily News article contains no mention of the uncle or the drug Fanapt.

It's almost certain that the original version of the article did mention this before being amended, and that the NY Mag piece was based on the original NY Daily News piece. ..

#10 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Antipsychotic Prescribed To Adam Lanza Has A Troubled History All Its Own

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Maybe more importantly, though, Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior.

From Drugs.com, side effects of the drug Fanapt:

Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently.

In fact, Fanapt was dropped by its first producer, picked up by another, initially rejected by the FDA, then later picked up and mass produced. The adverse side-effect is said to be "infrequent," but still it exists, and can't be ignored.

The reaction invoked by the drug in some people is reminiscent of the Jeffrey R. MacDonald case, where a Green Beret slaughtered his entire family and then fabricated a story about a marauding troop of "hopped up hippies".

MacDonald though, had Eskatrol in his system, a weight-loss amphetamine that's since been banned in part for its side effects of psychotic behavior and aggression.

These drugs are not the only ones that can cause the opposite of their desired effect. Several anti-depressant medications are also restricted to adults, for the depression they inspire in kids rather than eliminate.

#11 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"these mass-shooters are created by anti-depressants"

And drinking from a bottle creates drunk drivers.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"these mass-shooters are created by anti-depressants"
And drinking from a bottle creates drunk drivers.
#12 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 05:13 PM

The evidence is overwhelming:

1. Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions." He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.

2. Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.

3. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.

4. Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.

5. Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

#13 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 08:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

6. Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.

7. Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking "medication for depression". He had previously seen a psychiatrist.

8. Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9. El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

11. Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.

12. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold's medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

13. Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14. Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending "anger control classes" and was under the care of a psychologist.

#14 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 08:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you accept anecdotal evidence of the defensive use of guns? It's overwhelming.

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2013-02-19 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you accept anecdotal evidence of the defensive use of guns? It's overwhelming.
#15 | Posted by et_al at 2013-02-19 08:28 PM

I feel that the "gun issue" is purposefully obfuscating the real one - that anti-depressants are extremely dangerous and there is a no accountability regarding their invention, prescription and subsequent damages, et al.

The Drugging Of Our Children (Full Length) 1:43:05 Time and again the children themselves confirm a state of disassociation, this is not anecdotal.

But it's fascinating to see nobody bring this into the national discussion. The entire Obama administration are acting like tools, imo.

#16 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 09:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just this week I saw an official commenting how guns in the house are what lead Adam Lanza to using them. That is partially true. The mother did her best to connect with her very disassociated son, but having him on Fanaft while guns were in the home is the highly dangerous combination.

In short, the "fear" is that people on anti-depressants will not be eligible for gun ownership, or that it might invalidate an entire home or other family members from select interpretation of their second amendment rights, imo.

#17 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

REDLIGHTROBOT have you really not considered that they were taking or being given these medication because they already had mental problems?

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

REDLIGHTROBOT have you really not considered that they were taking or being given these medication because they already had mental problems?
#18 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 09:45 PM

Why are you implying those kids listed above are schizophrenic psychotic by nature and that medications taken to reduce violent episodes play no part inventing them?

#19 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm stating that 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak may have been suffering from a serious mental problems that the medications he took had little or no effect on.

I've spoken with (medicated) schizophrenics who confirmed that some medications have had no effect on them but have been effective with other schizophrenics.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm stating that 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak may have been suffering from a serious mental problems that the medications he took had little or no effect on.
I've spoken with (medicated) schizophrenics who confirmed that some medications have had no effect on them but have been effective with other schizophrenics.
#20 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 10:44 PM

It would appear that a larger number of violent incidents we publicly see are after children and adults go off anti-depressants.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-19 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

We also see a spike in the number of gun deaths after the safety is off.

Doesn't mean we should removed safeties from guns.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

We also see a spike in the number of gun deaths after the safety is off.
Doesn't mean we should removed safeties from guns.
#22 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-19 11:53 PM

All guns have a safety, yet your best analysis of this situation ignores that all of these mass-shooters are prescribed anti-depressants?! Then it's no wonder you keep steering this "debate" toward the guns and away from the meds.

#23 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 12:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Without looking at statistics I'm also willing to bet that the majority of car wreaks happen after the driver has pressed the break pedal.

Shall we remove said pedal from all cars?

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you accept anecdotal evidence of the defensive use of guns? It's overwhelming

You haven't specified what exactly "defensive use of guns" overwhelms.

Are you saying it overwhelms offensive use of guns?

If so, then your statement does nothing to address the offensive use of guns. You're simply saying the defensive use is greater. We could still be up to our eyeballs in gun violence... and we are compared to other modern countries.

The defensive use of guns is really a separate issue than the offensive use of guns. Not to mention, it's not clear how the LAPD mistakenly shooting at two trucks would be characterized.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-20 02:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

#4 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2013-02-19 08:01 AM | FLAG:

Right on!

I solidly distrust civil government trying to ban or register guns.
But I'm all for huge penalties and strict enforcement of laws punishing guns used in commission of a crime.

#26 | Posted by kirk at 2013-02-20 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

They sorta left out that Little Man Syndrome thingie as an explanation...

#27 | Posted by XRESETX at 2013-02-20 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

They sorta left out that Little Man Syndrome thingie as an explanation...
#27 | Posted by XRESETX at 2013-02-20 10:26 AM

True, these are all males who exhibit psychosis thus far in the public mass shootings. There may be a fundamental physiological rationale, alongside your psychological profiling. This is yet another unstudied probable correlation.

#28 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without looking at statistics I'm also willing to bet that the majority of car wreaks happen after the driver has pressed the break pedal.
Shall we remove said pedal from all cars?
#24 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 12:46 AM

All cars have a break pedal mandatory, whereas not all children are medicated. 100% of the mass shooters were medicated.

THAT is a real issue, not just how many guns a body can carry or discharge.

Adam Lanza was told by his mother that she spoke with both his pastor and doctor - they all three believe institutionalization is the best approach. What happened next? Second amendment abuse or a MEDICAL issue?

#29 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

So say 100% of the time brakes pedals were pressed.

Does that mean brakes are the cause?

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

So say 100% of the time brakes pedals were pressed.

Does that mean brakes are the cause?

If we got rid of cars, would there be fewer car crashes?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-20 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

So say 100% of the time brakes pedals were pressed.
Does that mean brakes are the cause?
#30 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 01:39 PM

100% of the mass shooters were medicated, are you suggesting that perhaps the engine should have been cut instead of allowing the Lanzamobile to mow down a lot of other potential drivers? Instead a new octane was tried to everyone's detriment.

#32 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

REDLIGHT I'm saying attempts were being made to fix a problem that existed before they were given medication.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

REDLIGHT I'm saying attempts were being made to fix a problem that existed before they were given medication.
#33 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 06:20 PM

"It never occurred to Jill to just believe the lion.."

These particular people have been modified by medications as well as other environmental factors. Call Of Duty and gun training, for instance..

Ali Syed Shot Melvin Edwards In The Back During Shooting Spree In Tustin, California: Police

TUSTIN, Calif. -- A woman who was the first of three people killed in a gunman's rampage has been identified, but her relationship to the shooter – a videogame-playing loner – remained unknown Wednesday, authorities said.

Courtney Aoki, 20, of Buena Park was shot multiple times early Tuesday in the home that gunman Ali Syed, 20, shared with his parents, said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino.

But beyond that, authorities know little about her, including how she got there, her occupation, and how she knew Syed, Amormino said.

Syed, a part-time community college student who ultimately committed suicide, was a loner and a "gamer," Amormino said.

"He spent a lot of time alone in his room playing video games," he said.

A 12-gauge shotgun used in the killings belonged to Syed and was purchased by his father, he said.

The rampage began before dawn Tuesday at the home in Ladera Ranch and ended 25 miles to the north during the early morning rush hour, police said.

Syed killed two more people during carjackings, injured at least three more, and shot up cars zooming down a busy freeway interchange before committing suicide with his shotgun as police closed in, authorities said.

The shooter forced one commuter stopped at a stop sign out of his BMW, marched him to a curb and shot him three times from behind as shocked witnesses looked on, Tustin police Chief Scott Jordan said.

The motive for the shootings remained unclear.

Syed had no criminal history and no history of mental illness or mental disability, said Lt. Paul Garaven, a Tustin police spokesman.

An autopsy will determine whether Syed had any drugs in his system, but Amormino said no illegal drugs were found in the house and there were no signs he was using illegal substances.

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Wanna bet anti-depressants are involved?

#34 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Wanna bet anti-depressants are involved?"

"no history of mental illness or mental disability"

I doubt he was taking anti-depressants.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Wanna bet anti-depressants are involved?"
"no history of mental illness or mental disability"
I doubt he was taking anti-depressants.
#35 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 07:20 PM

Neither was the Clackamas Town Center shooter - he stole his mothers.

#36 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but Amormino said no illegal drugs were found in the house and there were no signs he was using illegal substances."

Doesn't look like he was the kind of person who used drugs for recreation.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but Amormino said no illegal drugs were found in the house and there were no signs he was using illegal substances."
Doesn't look like he was the kind of person who used drugs for recreation.
#37 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 07:27 PM

True dat. Still, I'm inclined to believe this was a psychotic episode brought on by prescription abuse, but not sure who's.

#38 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-20 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"prescription abuse" is possible.

There's a reason why people are only supposed to take medication as directed.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 | POSTED BY PANEOCON

#3 | POSTED BY ROADRUNNER22

"mimicking a gory game scene"

wow, are we next going to hear about "reefer madness" from you two?

#40 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-21 03:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

by the illogic of #s 1 & 3, roger ebert ought to be a serial killer:

think about how many violent movies he's viewed! he even really, really liked henry, portrait of a serial killer.

#41 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-21 03:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Painedcon = Roadrunner and he forgot he switched accounts.

Check out the similar style.

Hey, it's just innuendo; these two (?) like to spread it, so they (?) shouldn't be surprised when it comes back around.

#42 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-21 03:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

by the illogic of #s 1 & 3, roger ebert ought to be a serial killer:
think about how many violent movies he's viewed! he even really, really liked henry, portrait of a serial killer.
#41 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-21 03:03 AM

That film has some extremely disturbing rape/murder scenes. It tricks you in like an 80's sit-com, but then goes far, far off..

"Henry" was a mentally disturbed person.

""prescription abuse" is possible."
There's a reason why people are only supposed to take medication as directed.
#39 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 09:58 PM

#43 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-21 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"prescription abuse" is possible.
There's a reason why people are only supposed to take medication as directed.
#39 | Posted by Tor at 2013-02-20 09:58 PM

My response got lost, but basically when the medication is abused or wrong for the person there are often "side-effects".

Guess what the "side-effects" for Fanapt are?

The Antipsychotic Prescribed To Adam Lanza Has A Troubled History All Its Own
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Maybe more importantly, though, Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior.

From Drugs.com, side effects of the drug Fanapt:

Psychiatric

Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently.

In fact, Fanapt was dropped by its first producer, picked up by another, initially rejected by the FDA, then later picked up and mass produced. The adverse side-effect is said to be "infrequent," but still it exists, and can't be ignored.

The reaction invoked by the drug in some people is reminiscent of the Jeffrey R. MacDonald case, where a Green Beret slaughtered his entire family and then fabricated a story about a marauding troop of "hopped up hippies".

MacDonald though, had Eskatrol in his system, a weight-loss amphetamine that's since been banned in part for its side effects of psychotic behavior and aggression.

These drugs are not the only ones that can cause the opposite of their desired effect. Several anti-depressant medications are also restricted to adults, for the depression they inspire in kids rather than eliminate.

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#44 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2013-02-21 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"prescription abuse" is possible.

Not by the hair of my pi-pilon-piloni-pilonidal cyst, it isnt.
~ Rrrrrrrush Limbaugh

#45 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-21 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

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