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Monday, February 18, 2013

Convicted 1993 World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef is serving life with no parole plus 240 years at a Colorado federal supermax prison in a 7-by-11-foot cell with no bars and one small high window, far from other inmates and prison staff. He has been there for 15 years, in nearly 24-hour solitary confinement. Even his meals provide little relief, with the food trays shoved by unseen guards through a sally port between two steel doors. Yousef, 44, has filed a lawsuit to persuade a federal judge to release him from solitary confinement. "I have been in solitary confinement in the U.S. since Feb. 8, 1995, with no end in sight," he states in the suit.

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Another hero the left can rally around.

#1 | Posted by dean_buvia at 2013-02-18 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

It IS pretty heroic to try and imprison terrorist trash instead of ignoring them.

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is what the Wiki article on this crustacean quotes:

"Yes, I am a terrorist, and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites."

Let the bastard rot.

#3 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

All he had to do was not bomb the trade center and he wouldn't be in this predicament.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-02-18 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd trade him a bullet in the head, or a sheet around his throat.

#5 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2013-02-18 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Honestly, I'm not sure how this guy avoided the death penalty.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's ample evidence that solitary confinement harms people.
And we shouldn't be deliberately harming prisoners.
As a matter of fact the Eighth Amendment obliges us to provide them with health care.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-18 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's ample evidence if people like these have contact with others, they do not stop promoting murder, too.
He bought the time by committing the crime, Snoof.
That he is entitled to health care is required. Nobody disputed that except Harry, who probably believes euthanasia is health care.

#8 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

I want the walls to get closer on him every day

#9 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2013-02-18 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Honestly, I'm not sure how this guy avoided the death penalty."

For one thing, the judge recommended the entire sentence be served in solitary confinement.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2013-02-18 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Make sure he has a turban.

#11 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's ample evidence if people like these have contact with others, they do not stop promoting murder, too.
He bought the time by committing the crime, Snoof.

Not only is that irrelevant, it's easily solved by putting him in with other lifers.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-18 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You no longer know what's real," she said. "You can't speak to anyone; you can't touch anyone: your senses no longer have any outlet. You have delusions and become psychotic. Your mind deteriorates."

At least it's not cruel and unusual punishment.

In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.

"A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
"A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
"A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

en.wikipedia.org

Discuss, lol.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-18 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did they do that for Rudolph Hess? No. Charles Manson? No. Unabomber Kacynski? No.
This turd deserves better treatment?

#14 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

This turd deserves better treatment?

Every prisoner deserves to be treated humanely.
Not a difficult concept to grasp.
Read the Rolling Stone article about the long-term effects of solitary confinement.
Of course if you think doling out permanent psychological damage is an acceptable form of punishment, then I'm very happy I'm not so bitter that I've come to see things your way.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-18 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ask him what he thinks proper punishment should be for pedophile priests.

#16 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2013-02-18 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Free lifetime room/board at an exotic locale, free use of the best libraries in the world, world-class entertainment, a cadre of servants, footmen and valets at his beck-and-call, you know...like Jesus.

#17 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-02-18 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Harry and MS show up to promote their prejudices again.

#18 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not prejudice. That's from "pre - judge" They're not pre-judging, they're JUDGING.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's just the Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution; "f... 'im."

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2013-02-18 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | Posted by snoofy

Sorry Snoof,

You get closed ears and minds on this one. A lot of people are DEAD on this one and quite frankly, justice is served. A lot of DEAD people cant complain to someone that they are DEAD. He doesn't deserve to be with other people so he can spread his hate to fellow inmates and create disruption.

I feel good knowing he is being treated like he is. His own private hell. I hope he lives to a ripe old age, in that cell. It's better than his victims got, which you conveniently ignore.

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-18 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reading comprehension isn't a forte here, I know. Have a cookie.

#22 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-02-18 11:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's not prejudice."

Sure, Alex, just like your outright lie that Pope Benedict prohibited anyone from reporting clergy abuse. It's not prejudice....no...

#23 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Warden David Berkebile wrote to Yousef in November, in response to his requests to get out of solitary: "You are a violent jihadist, committed to waging war on the United States, with a strong following of supporters and admirers. There is substantial risk that your communications or contacts could result in death or serious bodily injury to others."

Flying back to New York after he was arrested in Pakistan, Yousef had boasted to FBI agents about his bomb-making skills and, according to a 21-page FBI memo, said he was motivated to kill because of U.S. aid to Israel.

"His desire," the agents wrote, was "to topple one tower into the other, and cause a total of 250,000 civilian deaths."

Yousef said he expected the death penalty, but instead received life.

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2013-02-19 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

We can't risk him communicating with others. Let him stay forever.

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2013-02-19 12:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

TY, Bruce. That is why this animal needs total isolation. He will never stop.
Unabomber Kacynski should have some contact, however. I have sympathy for him even if he is a nut. Manson? Nope. Still trying to run a cult.

#26 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kinda makes me think I need a flow chart to figure out what part of the Constitution is okay and what ain't.

#27 | Posted by et_al at 2013-02-19 01:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

I feel good knowing he is being treated like he is.

That's pathetic. You're no different that someone who feels good hearing Amy Sweeney's last words.

It's better than his victims got, which you conveniently ignore.

His victims are irrelevant. Though, since you brought it up, his victims were a warning shot which could have saved the lives of 3,000 people on 9/11, had they been paying attention. (Not Amy Sweeney though, she was just doing her job.)

Applying different standards of justice because of your emotions about the convict is, in one word, unprofessional.

I can tell that you guys have a lot of hate in your hearts.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-19 01:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

That is why this animal needs total isolation.

May I suggest you use "subhuman" instead of animal, Herr Diablo.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-19 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just release him, and have a drone kill him. Problem solved!

#30 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2013-02-19 07:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

8th Amendment?

"That thar's whar Ah dither wif duh Constitishun."

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2013-02-19 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky- Good luck getting anywhere on this one. Most people don't give a damn what is done to bad people, even if we can't prove they're bad.(Yousef is guilty, though not all people in prison are) Our society is filled with jokes about prisoner rape to the point where it's a boring cliche punchline.

And about 12 people actually think this is wrong/not funny. Maybe 13 if wanna join the group.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-19 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're no different that someone who feels good hearing Amy Sweeney's last words.

You dont understand the difference between action and re-action. We would not have caused Sweeney's death to begin with. You coddle those who would feel good at hearing her death. You do not focus anything on the terrorist or the criminal. Like that is going to make him go away. There will always be evil in this world that is not triggered by anything other than it is evil, and it must be dealt with. You would choose not to deal with it and in the process it would destroy you. Evil is evil and it cannot be diminished by love or compassion.

That's what you liberals dont understand. It sucks. But that "love conquers all" is false. If that were the case, the deer could "love" the wolf and the wolf wouldnt eat it. But we all know that's not the case.

You are angry that nature isnt humane. It never will be.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-19 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

You dont understand the difference between action and re-action. We would not have caused Sweeney's death to begin with.

Boaz,
You'll never get anywhere with that way of thinking.
For example, 9/11 was a reaction to US troops in the Middle East.
How far back do you want to go? 1979? 1953? Crusades?
"It's turtles all the way down."

And I'm not the angry one here. It's all of you guys. Taking pleasure in someone's suffering is an expression of anger, or hate, or whatever you want to call it.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-19 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

You coddle those who would feel good at hearing her death.

Not really. My belief is that both they and you are psychopaths.

Evil is evil and it cannot be diminished by love or compassion.

Evil is too abstract a term. I prefer psychopath. And I agree that no amount of love or compassion shown to you will get you to stop hating. That change has to come from within.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-19 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"May I suggest you use 'subhuman' instead of animal, Herr Diablo."

My insult to animals was uncalled for, Snoof, and I apologize.
Unfortunately, when you get to my age, you realize that any human is capable of any atrocity. What he did was on a par with humanity, not below us, and not a single wolverine or junkyard dog would even consider doing such evil.

#37 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-20 02:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well said Diablo. My belief is that it's important we don't sink to his level. That we don't let him bring us down. Even though it's well within our capacity.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-20 08:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

.... "U.S. government and against Israel, are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites."

**** Can anyone DENY the Truth of this?

#39 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2013-02-20 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just thinking out loud here...

Hard to imagine, but sometimes the option of the death penalty is more humane than the alternative. Maybe we should give him a choice. Give him a nice strong sheet and a rafter in his cell hang it on. Any day he decides he has had enough he can end it.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-20 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Every prisoner deserves to be treated humanely."

The only way to do that would be to let them go.

"Yousef said he expected the death penalty, but instead received life."

I would submit that at the end of the day, Death would be the more humane method of punishment.

"Applying different standards of justice because of your emotions about the convict is, in one word, unprofessional."

Is Yousef held to a different standard than other people kept in soliatary. Given his connection to Al Quaeda, maybe the answer is to put him in Camp Echo at Gitmo.

Maybe the answer is to put him in General Population at leavenworth. See how he likes being around others then? And that may be a big part of it. Just keeping other prisoners from making Yousef into their GF.

"For example, 9/11 was a reaction to US troops in the Middle East."

And Pearl Harbor was a reaction to US policies introduced against japan that precluded them from being able to create a greater Asian Empire. So I'm not sure if you were trying to make a valid statement or not.

"How far back do you want to go? 1979? 1953? Crusades?"

How about even firther. To the days when the region was comprised of Christians and Jews. Perhaps it is they who should be ramming aircraft into buildings, protesting the fact that, not only are there Muslims occupying Christian lands, but that they have pushed everyone else out.

Try and celebrate Christmas Mass in Jeddah.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-20 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Evil is too abstract a term. I prefer psychopath. And I agree that no amount of love or compassion shown to you will get you to stop hating. That change has to come from within."

Evil has nothing to do with it. Yousef probably doesn't get up in the morning and congratulate himself on how 'eeeeeevil he is'. He did what he did to achieve a stated political ends. We do the same thing. The only difference is we go out of our way to avoid civilian casualties, while they try and maximize them.

"U.S. government and against Israel, are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day."

The US (and most other countries, including Israel) abide by the Geneva Conventions and the Laws of Armed Conflict when employing weapons as a means of achieving a desired end-state. Terrorists do not.

If they did, they wouldn't be terrorists.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-20 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... What Criminals have caused the most Death & Destruction... Ramzi Yousef or Bush & Obama?

**** The Bush & Obama Govts killed over a million Innocent People in the Middle East in their "ILLEGAL" Oil Wars and Wars of Aggression plus they've BLOWN over a $Trillion Dollars (so far) in US Taxpayer Money (money that was & is sorely needed in the increasingly destitute USA) ...Plus as an added bonus of these Totalitarian Policies,Americans have LOST or are rapidly LOSING most of their Civil & Constitutional Rights! Bush & Obama definitely are a Hard Act to Follow!

#43 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2013-02-20 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Bush & Obama Govts killed over a million Innocent People in the Middle East in their "ILLEGAL" Oil Wars and Wars of Aggression plus they've BLOWN over a $Trillion Dollars (so far) in US Taxpayer Money (money that was & is sorely needed in the increasingly destitute USA) ...Plus as an added bonus of these Totalitarian Policies,Americans have LOST or are rapidly LOSING most of their Civil & Constitutional Rights! Bush & Obama definitely are a Hard Act to Follow!"

That's nothing compared to the number of Germanics or Nipponese that FDR, and later Truman, killed during WWII. Or the number that Woodrow Wilson killed during WWI. Or that Linclon killed during the US civil war.

And those numbers pale in comparison to the executions and mass murders carried out by communists. Lenin ordered more deaths in his first week in power than the Czarist regime had ordered over the previous hundred year. Stalin and Mao went even further. Che and Castro killed fewer people, but only because there were fewer to kill.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2013-02-20 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The issue isn't Yousef. It's solitary confinement.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-20 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Every prisoner deserves to be treated humanely."
The only way to do that would be to let them go.

Childish.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2013-02-20 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

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