Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, February 18, 2013

During an appearance on ABC's This Week on Sunday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R) admitted that Republicans are likely to oppose any immigration reform proposal introduced by President Barack Obama because they are so hostile towards him. "An Obama plan led and driven by Obama in this atmosphere with the level of hostility towards the president and the way he goads the hostility I think is very hard to imagine that bill, that his bill is going to pass the House," Gingrich said.

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[Obama's proposal], obtained by USA Today, "mirrors many provisions of the bipartisan 2007 bill" spearheaded by Ted Kennedy and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and would allow unauthorized immigrants "to become legal permanent residents within eight years." "The plan also would provide for more security funding and require business owners to check the immigration status of new hires within four years," the paper reports.

Despite its bipartisan nature, the draft proposal was immediately panned by Republicans. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fl.) -- a member of the Senate group working towards producing comprehensive legislation -- called it "dead on arrival," while Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) said it demonstrated that Obama is "looking for a partisan advantage and not a bipartisan solution."

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This gang that can't even begin to shoot straight is still trying to make Obama a one-term president.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-18 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Despite its bipartisan nature, the draft proposal was immediately panned by Republicans. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) -- a member of the Senate group working towards producing comprehensive legislation -- called it "dead on arrival,"

The political death march of the GOP continues unabated. Putting a minority in front of the cameras to promote the old white guy platform will not cure the problem they have with the latino vote.

Minorities are not stupid like the GOP pretends they are.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2013-02-18 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Minorities are not stupid like the GOP pretends they are.
#2 | POSTED BY 726

They keep voting democrat so they can't be too bright.

#3 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-02-18 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

"GOPers Hatred for Obama Trumps Reason"

Really?

"Barack Obama is a terrible president. That's obvious to everyone who isn't chronically ignorant or incurably liberal. By "liberal" I don't mean the classic definition of the word which has to do with being open-minded and objective. I mean the modern version of liberal: self-centered, emotional, illogical, and void of reason. Unfortunately, in 2012 ignoramuses and liberals represented the majority of those who voted. I'm not worried about offending them with my harsh words. My very existence offends them, and so does yours if you don't buy into their worldview.

From economic policy to energy policy to environmental policy to foreign affairs to national security to border security to you name it, the president failed the test, but we re-elected him anyway. Obama's misadventures in the Oval Office are becoming the stuff of legend. Benghazi and Fast and Furious are two of his more high profile blunders, but they aren't the only ones."

President Obama has done one thing superbly well: he has demonstrated skill par excellence on a national scale as a community organizer. He is second to none when it comes to inciting, agitating, race baiting, stoking fears, and motivating the masses. If you discount voter fraud, more than anything else, those skills got him re-elected. But like a snowball gathering momentum as it rolls down a hill, the forces that he has unleashed will be impossible to stop without pain and suffering."

The takers among us are easy pickings for a man with exceptional community organizing skills, and as I said, the forces that the president has unleashed will prove to be impossible to control. If they explode, there will be hell to pay.

Common sense is totally absent in their world."

www.americanthinker.com

The hatred is for Obama's deeds. Commonsense was thrown out the window when he was elected. Now people such as Doc and 726 work endlessly to promote Obama, overlook the mess he created, and put down anyone who thinks Obama has taken this country in a wrong direction that will put a hefty price on the American people for generations to come. The left claims ignorance and refuse to remove their blinders only because they were told to feel good about their support.

#4 | Posted by KBM at 2013-02-18 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

They keep voting democrat so they can't be too bright.
#3 | Posted by paneocon

One could say the same of those of you who're busy carrying water for GOP chickenhawks.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-18 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

4 | Posted by KBM at

So once again you have nothing to say on the subject of the thread you posted.

useless just useless.

#6 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-02-18 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dracula required Renfield for comic relief - we get KBM.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-18 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Minorities are not stupid like the GOP pretends they are.
#2 | POSTED BY 726
They keep voting democrat so they can't be too bright.

#3 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2013-02-18 09:38 AM | FLAG:

Exhibit 1

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2013-02-18 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

The hatred is for Obama's deeds.

Yes, how dare he propose the provisions of a bi-partisan immigration bill.

HOW DARE HE!

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2013-02-18 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama has taken this country in a wrong direction

You crack me up.

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2013-02-18 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The hatred is for Obama's deeds."

That explains why is started before he was inaugurated.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think Obama is full of crap.

But the Obama butthurt was obvious from the start. Two months after he was elected, there were Teadiots in my town square protesting alot of the same stuff that Bush had done for eight years without a peep from any of them.

I didn't necessarily disagree with their complains. What I found offensive was that they only found these things objectionable when a Democrat does it. The GOP was in charge and doing the same stuff, they were happy as pigs in [...].

I have no respect for GOP whiners even when they are right because their problem is not that the government is screwing up. Its that a Democrat is overseeing the screw job rather than a Republican.

#12 | Posted by Sully at 2013-02-18 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mid Terms!
Refuse to work then vote them out.

#13 | Posted by THomewood at 2013-02-18 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

They keep voting democrat so they can't be too bright.

#3 | Posted by paneocon

An infamous quote, not widely touted by the media, "I'll have those [plural N-word] voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson

#14 | Posted by path at 2013-02-18 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

An Obama plan led and driven by Obama in this atmosphere with the level of hostility towards the president and the way he goads the hostility

Obama knows there are certain parts of a bill the Republicans cant live with. But he pushes anyway. He doesn't compromise on things that need to be compromised on. He knows the country is split, but he doesn't even try to bring the other side to the table. Conservatives bowing to the democrats demands isn't compromise.

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2013-02-18 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama knows there are certain parts of a bill the Republicans cant live with. But he pushes anyway."

Can't live with?? More like the Republicans won't even cooperate with him when he proposes their own ideas. Remember McConnell filibustering his own bill?

#16 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mr. Davis and Mr. Wright never taught their 'prodigal son' the word compromise...!!!!

#17 | Posted by drsoul at 2013-02-18 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

White people are just deathly scared of being called a N-word lover.
It's ingrained and palatable.

It's akin to a black man being called an uncle tom.

I agree it will never happen. Too bad, so sad.

#18 | Posted by fresno500 at 2013-02-18 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its all just Theater. Obama is a closet rethug.

The big picture is clear, from drone warfare as escalation of sought-after global US military hegemony to the trivialization and evisceration of government's regulatory functions, all pointing to a business-as-usual continuation of policies and practices going back, regardless of party, at least to Reagan.

The virtue of acquiescence in the destruction of the public sector, and, soon the social safety net, is that a selfless patriotism can be harnessed on behalf of business consolidations to enrich the organizers and insiders in the belief that a steeply hierarchical framework of society, in which each class finds its place, conduces to the general welfare and most probably adheres to God's plan of just rewards (the rich naturally being more meritorius, and therefore closer to the Divine Being), and also confirms the moral-structural paradigm of trickle-down economics

We should be, as apparently we are, eternally grateful to Obama for straightening out the social order so that a numerically small elite, with comprehensive representation from the worlds of business, finance, and the military, can guide us on the path of orderly growth through the next, and hopefully last, stage of monopoly capitalism. Was this always in the cards, nonregulatory regulation, extremes of wealth and poverty, aggressive foreign-policy moves? But of course, with the surefooted application of liberal rhetoric, the democratic glow now bathing public policy as Obama's enchanted base looks on.

Obama, in his hostility to transparency, seeks to prevent disclosure to cover his back, so as to avoid prosecution for war-crimes and, at home, recognition of malfeasance, misfeasance, and dereliction of public duties.

The gimmickry of power and authority is useful in lulling the citizenry into believing the State, far from being a class-state, actually is there to achieve and maintain the public welfare. Its cohabitation with business rests on the mutual pleasure of both.

Bank bailouts are still going on, if more quietly, through the back door. This is Obama's responsibility. The Fed's independence is an artful dodge, providing plausible deniability to the Executive and secrecy so that investigation of its policies and activities, especially with respect to its member Banks, not the public, will not occur.

#19 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-02-18 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am gonna go out on a limb here and predict that however it plays out, the GOP will succeed in making themselves look narrow minded to the majority of people in this country. In a way President Obama has been blessed. Has any POTUS in the history of this nation ever had to contend with such an incompetent and myopic opposition Party? On pretty much every major issue the GOP seems to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot.
Here is a novel suggestion. Maybe they should stop hating Obama and try to actually fashion fair legislation. People are not blind. They can tell when the GOP is being petty and placing Party over country.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-18 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#20

if you insist on seeing this problem from the perspective that a horrible relationship is 100% the fault of one party, then understand your opinion is very biased.

I've seen many troubled relationships....and 100% of time I see it as 'it takes 2 to make a bad marriage'.

It doesn't mean that one side isn't guilty of their contribution to the problem....but they are never alone.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I've seen many troubled relationships....and 100% of time I see it as 'it takes 2 to make a bad marriage'. "

Utter nonsense. I've seen many relationships where one partner was 100% responsible for the failure of the marriage, one party cheats or one party becomes an alcoholic or one party becomes abusive.
Nothing Obama could do would ever cause the Republicans to cooperate with him on anything. If he wanted a bill declaring the sky blue they would oppose him on it.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's as if you don't believe Mitch McConnell ever said he saw his number one job as preventing Obama from having a second term and now that he has failed at that he and the GOP are determined to undermine the recovery.
Party before country!

#23 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that you will find in studies and discussion with any 'qualified' psychologist or marriage counselor, that a failed marriage OR relationship is ever 100 percent fault of one side...common sense even prevail here on this point..

#24 | Posted by drsoul at 2013-02-18 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Teadiots...

#12 | Posted by Sully

That sums it up sooooo well.

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2013-02-18 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

A wife dissatisfied because her husband works too late, and doesn't make enough money, so she takes a lover and stops making an effort is 100% the fault of that wife. Unless we blame the husband for not making more money or not quitting his job to service his wife, that breakup is entirely the fault of the wife.

A husband dissatisfied because his wife is getting a little older and no longer can socialize so much, leaves her for a younger woman. Unless we blame the wife for not being superhuman, that break up is entirely the fault of the husband.

It happens.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2013-02-18 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama knows there are certain parts of a bill the Republicans cant live with. But he pushes anyway."

Can't live with?? More like the Republicans won't even cooperate with him when he proposes their own ideas. Remember McConnell filibustering his own bill?

#16 | Posted by danni

Don't for get Romney Care. Whoops!! I mean Obama Care. Just to name a big one... (Republican idea, which is why it is probably so ill conceived.)

#27 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2013-02-18 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"A wife dissatisfied because her husband works too late, and doesn't make enough money, so she takes a lover and stops making an effort is 100% the fault of that wife."

you can't sum up the problems in that marriage in one sentence. Therefore, you can't determine "fault" either.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

the only people who will insist that obama is blameless for his inability to lead or get along with the opposition party (when all previous presidents have managed to do it) are partisan hacks and nothing more.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You're the hack, you are so determined to blame Obama that you ignore obvious facts."

that's just flat out lying. You're assiging a position to me that doesn't exist.

I'm not ignoring anything and I'm not giving a the GOP a pass at all.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

when are the cheerleaders EVER going to come up with something original?

nothing is obama's fault.......even his faults aren't his fault.

LOL

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unfortunately, some people feel that anything this occupant of the White House says are the ONLY facts or solution available. To not believe EVERYTHING he stands for is to be a 'hater'...he is the chosen and perfect one. Now sensible people know that there is not a 'fault-free' person in the world.. We are dealing with a very inexperienced and 'hands-off' person with a lack of any negotiating skill or integrity. Rather than get into the heat of the battle personally, it is easier to blame others... He takes no responsibility for any failures..!!! See a pattern???

#33 | Posted by drsoul at 2013-02-18 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

He takes no responsibility for any failures..!!! See a pattern???

#33 | Posted by drsoul at 2013-02-18 03:31 PMFlag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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That Obama might do well in venture capitalism?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-18 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm not ignoring anything and I'm not giving a the GOP a pass at all."

Do you remember McConnell filibustering his own bill?

#35 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23...just so that we are all clear...have the Democrats EVER put party first for ANYTHING...or has there just always been the GOP doing that???? for the record, they are both pretty pathetic presently..

#37 | Posted by drsoul at 2013-02-18 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Six sure signs of narcissism: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it IS a duck and Barackus Caesar is a friggin' DUCK!

"Sign #1: Unilateral listening.

What I want is all that matters. When we make decisions together, what you want, your concerns, your feelings..these are mere whispers, inconveniences and irrelevancies. When we discuss issues, my opinions are right. Yours are wrong or else of minimal importance. If you expect to have input, you are undermining me.

Instead of listening in order to be responsive, narcissistic listening listens to dismiss, negate, ignore, minimize, denigrate or otherwise render irrelevant other people's concerns. One specific indicator: frequent responses that begin with "But....", which is linguistically a backspace-delete key.

"Sign #2 It's all about me.

I know more, I know better, I'm more interesting, When we talk, it's mostly about me. In conversations, I take up most of the air time. Maybe that's why people say I suck up all the air in a room.

When I want something, I need to have it. Never mind how you feel about it; it's all about me. I'm big and important and you are merely also here, mostly to do things for me, like a third arm."

"Sign #3: The rules don't apply to me.

I can have affairs, cut into a line where others are waiting, cheat on my taxes, and ignore rules that get in the way of my doing what I want.. Rules are for other people to follow.

Narcissists suffer from what I call Tall Man Syndrome. They experience themselves as above others, so the rules don't apply to them."

#38 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-18 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Six sure signs of narcissism: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it IS a duck and Barackus Caesar id a friggin' DUCK! (cont.)

"Sign #4: Your concerns are really criticisms of me, and I hate being criticized.

If you insist on my listening and taking your concerns seriously I'm likely to get mad. Criticism hurts. I can criticize others, and often do, but if you criticize me you're hurting my feelings so I'll hurt you back.

Narcissists paradoxically manifest an inflated idea of their own importance, yet are quick to feel deflated by negative feedback.

In addition, because they think everything is about them, they hear others' attempts to talk about personal feelings as veiled criticisms of themselves. Taking others' concerns as personal criticism is called personalizing."

"Sign #5: When things go wrong between us, it's always your fault.

I can't be expected to apologize or to admit blame. I'm above others and above reproach. You shouldn't have… . Don't threaten me with expecting me to say how I've contributed to a problem or I'll get mad at you.

Unwillingness to take responsibility for mistakes goes hand-in-hand with quickness to blame. This trait may come from confusing the part with the whole. If I've done one thing that's not right, then I must be all bad. That's also all-or-nothing thinking."

"Sign #6: If I'm angry, it's your fault.

You made me mad. You didn't listen to me. You criticized me. You're trying to control me. Your view is wrong. So you need to apologize, not me.

"II's never my fault if things didn't go well. I'm not responsible for the problem. Someone else is. I'm not responsible either for my anger. If I'm mad that's your fault."

Narcissists may seem generally quite socially agile. At the same

#39 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-18 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

GOP Will Never Work with Obama

After 4 years, Obama finally realizes this and has decided to go on offense. Obama has and will continue to promote highly popular programs (i.e. raising the minimum wage, universal pre school, etc.) and dare the republicans to turn them down. If they do, they risk losing their house majority. If Republicans do lose control of the House and Democrats maintain control of the Senate, the last two years of Obama's 2nd term will be especially productive.

#40 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2013-02-18 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"#23...just so that we are all clear...have the Democrats EVER put party first for ANYTHING...or has there just always been the GOP doing that????"

Of course Democrats have but never to the extremes today's GOP is doing it. Read the headline of the thread...."Newt Gingrich says the TOP will never work with Obama."
BTW, the utter weakness of Harry Reid when he gave in on the filibuster will keep coming back to haunt him over and over and over.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The political death march of the GOP continues unabated. Putting a minority in front of the cameras to promote the old white guy platform will not cure the problem they have with the latino vote.
Minorities are not stupid like the GOP pretends they are.
#2 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2013-02-18 08:59 AM | FLAG:

Minorities are not stupid like the GOP pretends they are.
#2 | POSTED BY 726

They keep voting democrat so they can't be too bright.
#3 | POSTED BY PANEOCON

This is so true.

Latinos are Conservative by nature and hate Republicans because of the Liberal Media.

#42 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

They hate republicans because it's the whites only club.

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

They hate republicans because it's the whites only club.
#43 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Riiiight.

When we see a Black man try to be a Republican...

What happens to him?

Be honest.

#44 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

This pretty much sums it up:

thegrio.com

"First Black Republican Senator Since 1979"

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

When we see a Black man try to be a Republican...

What happens to him?

Be honest.

#44 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans attack him for saying nice things about Obama. (Colin Powell)

; )

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you haven't noticed that the vast majority of racial and religious diversity...takes place in the democratic party, and not the republican party, you just haven't been paying attention to reality.

Grass is green. Water gets you wet. The sun is hot. The Republican party has a minority problem because of the southern strategy.

#47 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans attack him for saying nice things about Obama. (Colin Powell)
#46 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Hmmmmm.

Perhaps you should be honest?

You know what I'm talking about.

The Whites and Blacks from the Democrats call him an Uncle Tom.

You brought this ugly side of the Democrats up.

#48 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Grass is green. Water gets you wet. The sun is hot. The Republican party has a minority problem because of the southern strategy.
#47 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

You mean something that happened 50 years ago?

#49 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Working with Obama" means giving Obama anything and everything he wants. (See #38 and #39) Consequently, I hope Newt's right.

#50 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-18 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex,

It seems that you are lacking education and honesty and are not capable of engaging in this debate.

#51 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

It seems that you are lacking education and honesty and are not capable of engaging in this debate.

#51 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, I step away to take a toilet break, and get this gem.

So the southern strategy is not still in effect in ronpaul world, eh?
You're living in an alternate dimension.

#52 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's unbelievable how arrogant and condescending you are, given how little you actually appear to know, ronpaul.

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex, RP has to be a troll. No way someone can be that dumb and still type acutal words.

#54 | Posted by Dalton at 2013-02-18 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Should be actual

#55 | Posted by Dalton at 2013-02-18 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope you're right, but I doubt it.

#56 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Whites and Blacks from the Democrats call him an Uncle Tom. (Colin Powell)

I think you may have him confused with Clarence Thomas.

#57 | Posted by fresno500 at 2013-02-18 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, I step away to take a toilet break, and get this gem.
So the southern strategy is not still in effect in ronpaul world, eh?
You're living in an alternate dimension.
#52 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2013-02-18 05:45 PM | FLAG:

It's unbelievable how arrogant and condescending you are, given how little you actually appear to know, ronpaul.
#53 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I'm just responding your brand of debating.

It's your choice. If you want to be more honest, I won't ridicule you.

#59 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You ridicule everyone as less read, less educated, etc etc. Meanwhile, I've never seen you win a debate here.

Ever.

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the southern strategy is not still in effect in ronpaul world, eh?
You're living in an alternate dimension.
#52 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Ok. You'll need to link to this one. And no "Progressive" or anything with "Huff" or "MoveOn" in it.

Dalton, you need to respond to this or be labelled an idiot for acting like a troll.

#61 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

You ridicule everyone as less read, less educated, etc etc. Meanwhile, I've never seen you win a debate here.
Ever.

#60 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

That's because you're a far left monolith and that's your opinion.

All I can do is ridicule you when you behave that way.

I've NEVER seen you win a debate here either. In fact, when you lose I see you run away.

#62 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eddie is the retort speedbag.

We should name the new nooner "the retart" in her honor.

#63 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2013-02-18 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's because you're a far left monolith

So touch me for knowledge already, you damned ignorant ape.

#64 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Accepting the risk of ridicule and embarrassment it's good to see 101 posting here again.

#65 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's because you're a far left monolith
So touch me for knowledge already, you damned ignorant ape.
#64 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Dang.

If I'm so ignorant, then why do I piss you off so?

#66 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and Alex,

It's still just your opinion.

#67 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I'm so ignorant, then why do I piss you off so?

You just answered yourself.

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I'm so ignorant, then why do I piss you off so?
You just answered yourself.

#68 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

LOL!!!

You keep answering.

You still didn't link to a good article explaining your claim about the Southern Strategy.

(this is the part where you run away)

#69 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

The overwhelming majority of voters who back President Barack Obama do so because they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing," Mitt Romney told a closed-door gathering of about 30 major donors earlier this year, according to video of the event that has surfaced on the Internet.

www.huffingtonpost.com

You're welcome.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.huffingtonpost.com

#71 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

video.msnbc.msn.com

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex,

First off, these are all Left Wing talking points from left wing sites that are not valid to this conversation. You must be a far Left monolith if you can't see it.

All you are showing me is about welfare and food stamps.

Are you saying that blacks are the only ones on food stamps? This is not true. There are more whites on food stamps.

Your point about the Republicans being a Whites-only club was backed up by your assertion of the Southern Strategy which is based on racism.

You are trying to prove that the Republicans are racists and you can't.

#73 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

First off, these are all Left Wing talking points from left wing sites that are not valid to this conversation.

Translation: I didn't read or watch any of the material.

Bye.

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Unfortunately, some people feel that anything this occupant of the White House says are the ONLY facts or solution available. "

And some people feel that anything this occupant of the WH says are lies and/or intentional attempts to derail the greatness that is America. See? Fault on both sides.

"Dalton, you need to respond to this or be labelled an idiot for acting like a troll."

Absolutely precious coming from the great dancer himself. I've no idea whether the southern strategy is still effect, but someone (in this thread?) quoted LBJ's "nigger" vote line. Where were you on that? Eddie, there's f-ups all over, but you only ever see the left being bad. Or you're an insufferable troll. I'm not sure which is worse.

"Translation: I didn't read or watch any of the material."

Also funny 'cause I don't see him telling rw posters not to cite Heritage or American Thinker or... You want unbiased, Ed? Show yourself calling out your side too. To your credit, however, the piece about the petrodollar that you linked in a thread where you actually bothered to speak TO me (oh, wait, was that you?) rather than AT me was seemingly unbiased, at least in any obvious sense.

#75 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

First off, these are all Left Wing talking points from left wing sites that are not valid to this conversation.
Translation: I didn't read or watch any of the material.
Bye.

#74 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Yes. I did.

These are no more than Liberal talking points trying to label Republicans as racists.

it's rejected.

Now, run away as you always do.

#76 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST Ignore Flag

#77 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes. I did.

No. You didn't.

#78 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex,

This man says it best and this is how I view the Democrats

Blacks Still "Played" and Controlled by Tired Old Democrat Paradigms

"Even today, Democrats are still "keeping blacks in their place" -- telling them they need lowered standards, affirmative action, special programs, and freebies to succeed. Democrats constantly send blacks the message they are not as smart was whites. "

This is why I say that the use of the words "Southern Strategy" are keeping old wounds open and are dishonest at best.

#79 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes. I did.
No. You didn't.
#78 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Yes. I did.

It's a poor Maddowizing which is a dishonest approach.

Again, More whites are on food stamps than any other race in this country.

#80 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Democrats constantly send blacks the message they are not as smart was whites

As opposed to republicans that think Blacks are so smart...they only have ONE in the senate (tim scott), and NONE in the house.

ROFLMAO

#81 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I understand what you are saying Alex, but what you fail to see is that the Left Wing Media has taken a Conservative belief and turned it into hate.

Do you even understand what Mitt Romney was saying (stupid as it was?)

He was saying that the Great Enabler was going to get 47% of the vote because he would not shut off their stream of welfare.

I don't remember Reagan being a racist, but blacks hated him for, what reason was it?

Alex, you see racism, I see Fiscal Conservatism.

#82 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Democrats constantly send blacks the message they are not as smart was whites
As opposed to republicans that think Blacks are so smart...they only have ONE in the senate (tim scott), and NONE in the house.
ROFLMAO

#81 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

What are you laughing at? Your Party are racists. Whenever a black man wants to better himself and make it in the white world, he's called an Uncle Tom or an Oreo. You don't see a problem with that? Watch. There will be more coming up in spite of you calling them Uncle Tom. The numbers are growing.

LOL!!! You didn't know that the author of that article I linked to is black did you?

LOL!!!!

#83 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"#75 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST Ignore Flag"

Too funny. You had to post to say you're ignoring me. Brilliant. Are you now going to take your ball(s) and go home?

It's okay, Ed. I just wanted to point out your marvelous consistency. It worked. Enjoy your evening.

#84 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.projectshiningcity.org

"Republicans deal with blacks respectfully, as equals. Democrats thrive on blacks believing themselves to be victims"

#85 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Whenever a black man wants to better himself and make it in the white world, he's called an Uncle Tom or an Oreo."

Nonsense. If that were true, yes, I'd have a big problem with it, and so would Alex, I'm sure.

#86 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't remember Reagan being a racist, but blacks hated him for, what reason was it?

For making up a story about black welfare queens, for using coded racist language like "states rights" at the Neshoba County Fair right after the RNC chose him as their candidate. Reagan opposed affirmative action. He attempted to reverse the denial of the tax-exempt status from Bob Jones University which was at the time practicing discrimination against blacks. He surrounded himself with racist trash like Trent Lott, Helms, Buchanan, Lee Atwater, Thurmond, Jerry Falwell...

Need I go on?

#87 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are you laughing at? Your Party are racists.

I'm going to tell you for the 5th time: I'm not a democrat, you moron. My "party" doesn't do anything, cuz I don't have one.

Whenever a black man wants to better himself and make it in the white world

WHITE WORLD? What [...] does that even mean? And I'M the racist?!

he's called an Uncle Tom or an Oreo

Which is horrible, and I hate it. Many people here have been trashed by me for calling Justice Thomas an "uncle tom" or a "Lawn jockey" It's offensive and annoying.

BTW, Rush Limbaugh calls Obama an "Oreo" and a "man-child" Ad nauseam.

Republicans deal with blacks respectfully, as equals

Some do. Some don't.

www.businessinsider.com

Democrats thrive on blacks believing themselves to be victims

Some do. They certainly take the black vote for granted, since the republicans have shat on the African American community for so long.

They can do that because the republicans threw away the black vote. Now the demographics have changed, and payback is a biotch.

#88 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obungler, the arrogant narcissist has cut his own legs out from under himself. He has sowed so much rancor and divisiveness that his second term will be worse then his first term. He's done it to himself, the maroooons that voted for him and the "American dream". I guess Saul didn't have a chapter on the outcomes of being an a_______.

#89 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-18 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hate both parties. What Gingrich said is essentially true...for both parties. They have a mutual hatred which, while deserved, is cancerous to the rest of us.
It's time for both major parties to schism...Please, God!

#90 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I listen to Rush and have not heard him refer to Obama as Oreo.

Man child is not a racist term--it's a put down, but there is worse.

So has the media gone after Dr. Ben Carson yet?

Maybe the media is digging through his trash as we write....

Should be any time soon that they pull some white woman out of the wood work to say he grabbed her. Gloria will represent her in another media tear down of a conservative black man.

#91 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#88 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

You didn't read the article did you?

I read your stuff and then responded with an article that has an opposing view from a very credible source.

Here, I'll post it again:
www.projectshiningcity.org

#92 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look what they have to work with--Obama? !! lol

#93 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some do. They certainly take the black vote for granted, since the republicans have shat on the African American community for so long.
#88 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

These are your talking points again and you can't prove it.

Showing Sununu saying something that's true but is politically incorrect is as bad as Black and White Democrats calling a Black Republican an Uncle Tom.

You have to remember that the Republicans had nothing to do with the disaster after Katrina. That was caused by decades of Democrats running that state and putting those people into living conditions worse than third world. I know I grew up in Louisiana and since the '60's, since I can remember that area has always been the poorest of the poor. It was a massive area in New Orleans and government money flowed in by the millions every month.

This is all 100% Democrats using blacks to stay in power. It's pathetic.

#94 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ronpaul-Showing Sununu saying something that's true

Oh, really? So he could see inside Colin Powell's mind and KNOW that's why he chose to back Obama for president?

You have to remember that the Republicans had nothing to do with the disaster after Katrina

That's true. George Bush had very little interest in Katrina, but you're moving the goalposts.

Murphy-

I listen to Rush and have not heard him refer to Obama as Oreo.

www.bet.com

Man child is not a racist term--it's a put down, but there is worse.

It's a way for Rush to call a black man "Boy".


So has the media gone after Dr. Ben Carson yet?

Who cares. The guy blames same sex marriage for the downfall of America. He may be a brilliant neurosurgeon, but he's a political and social clodpate. Interestingly enough, he calls for bipartisanship, which newt just admitted aint gonna happen.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The guy blames same sex marriage for the downfall of America.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:24 PM | Reply

Cause of the downfall----no; symptomatic of the downfall----yes.

#96 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-18 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

More like morbid obesity, a criminal oxycodone addiction, and a palapa-boy fetish, I would guess.

#97 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-02-18 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe if you were allowed to marry your gay lover, you wouldn't be such a dick, matsop.

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:40 PM | Reply |

Hey, Alex, if you want a union; go for it and call it whatever you want except for marriage (which it ain't in the fine tradition of the word).

#99 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-18 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Cause of the downfall----no; symptomatic of the downfall----yes."

Oh, please. The downfall of America lies in its economic and militaristic policies, not in its social changes.

#100 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hey, Alex, if you want a union; go for it and call it whatever you want except for marriage (which it ain't in the fine tradition of the word)."

Several states now disagree with you, which is awesome. States' rights in play...

#101 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"since the republicans have shat on the African American community for so long."

yes, but not every republican is guilty of that. Some are young and recently elected to congress.

what about them? I mean, if I were one of them and I knew that, because of years and years of racial tensions, race-baiting, etc., that 97% of black voters are going to vote against me, how much should i work to appease any of them?

the same principle might apply to union members as well. No matter what I do, I can't garner their vote anyway.

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The downfall of America lies in its economic and militaristic policies, not in its social changes."

You make it sound like it's the fault of the govt.

it isn't. Our downfall lies in.......ourselves.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#100 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 10:48 PM | Reply |

Read the post again, Prag, and you may get it right.

#104 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-18 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

eb- the govt is ourselves. It's an extension of the public, which sucks.

#105 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Several states now disagree with you, which is awesome. States' rights in play...

#101 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-18 10:49 PM | Reply

Like I said; symptomatic of it's downfall. The future will not be "awesome".

#106 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-18 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

(which it ain't in the fine tradition of the word)

That has changed over the centuries, you mean, or were you planning on marrying your sister?

call it whatever you want except for marriage

Separate but equal. Now we see a fine tradition in your post!

#107 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they don't wanna work, maybe they shouldn't get paid. Or reelected.

#108 | Posted by Centrist at 2013-02-19 04:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

"how much should i work to appease any of them?"

You shouldn't work to appease anyone. That's dishonest and pandering. You should work to serve them.

"it isn't. Our downfall lies in.......ourselves."

The fault, dear Brutus. Fair enough, to an extent. But our gov't policies have a lot to do with it, in my eyes.

"Read the post again, Prag, and you may get it right."

If you have a point to make, make it. Don't be snide. I was speaking to my belief in what's wrong with America today, and it's not gay marriage. I have no problem with this cultural shift, and I don't see it as emblematic or symptomatic of the "downfall of America."

" The future will not be "awesome"."

Probably not, but that's not connected to gay marriage. I happen to think that it's awesome, fantastic, marvelous, wonderful that two people who love each other, people who have long been denied, can now marry and enjoy rights that hetero loving people have enjoyed for a damned long time. And I happen to believe that America's failings are connected to what I said. If you're making a specific argument, why don't you make it. I bet it's some moral argument about the decay of values. Well, I've seen that in the divorce rate for my entire life, and in the growth of greed and death of community spirit--okay, decline, not death. None of which has to do with gay marriage, and none of which do I see gay marriage as being symptomatic of. (Boy that was a badly written end to that sentence.) How is gay marriage symptomatic of the downfall of America?

#109 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-19 06:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Hey, Alex, if you want a union; go for it and call it whatever you want including marriage because the haters don't get to control everything any longer.

#110 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-19 07:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

To be fair, Danni, I don't believe for a second that all those not in favor of gay marriage necessarily hate homosexuals or their unions. (And I'm not even playing the game with the definition of hate that the other poster was.)

#111 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-19 07:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

hate Republicans because of the Liberal Media.
#42 | POSTED BY RONPAUL AT 2013-02-18 05:22 PM | FLAG:

Because the librul media reports the anti latino policies the GOP pushes.

#112 | Posted by 726 at 2013-02-19 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"To be fair, Danni, I don't believe for a second that all those not in favor of gay marriage necessarily hate homosexuals or their unions."

Perhaps "haters" was a little stronger than necessary but my real point was that we can call the union of same sex individuals marriage whether or not opponents of gay marriage like it or not. They don't get to control the use of the English language.

#113 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-19 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

113: Agreed. The law gets to decide, not the critics of the movement. I am reminded of the "pro-choice" and "pro-life" terminology. A student asked me last week if I was pro-abortion. I said, "No, I'm pro-choice. I think abortion should be rare but legal and safe." And I explained my stance. He was intrigued.

#114 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-02-19 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Minorities are not stupid like the GOP pretends they are.
#2 | POSTED BY 726
They keep voting democrat so they can't be too bright.

#3 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2013-02-18 09:38 AM | FLAG:
Exhibit 1
#8 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2013-02-18 10:49 AM | FLAG:

Latinos are Conservative by nature and hate Republicans because of the Liberal Media.
#42 | POSTED BY RONPAUL AT 2013-02-18 05:22 PM | FLAG:

Exhibit 2

#115 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-02-19 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

oops, meant to add the obvious: it's the GOP that's stupid.

#116 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-02-19 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They don't get to control the use of the English language"

Well, SOMEBODY is trying to control it. We have a whole body of controllers they refer to as the PC police and even the government is involved now with BS like "overseas contingency operations" and it's forbidden to say "war on terror." Ask the Fort Hood survivors about the words, "workplace violence," and just how refusing to call the incident a "terrorist attact" is affecting THEM.

#117 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-19 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, SOMEBODY is trying to control it."

Here's another guy who says so...

www.therightscoop.com

#118 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-19 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your Party are racists. Whenever a black man wants to better himself and make it in the white world, he's called an Uncle Tom or an Oreo.
#83 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-02-18 09:25 PM | Reply | Fl

Nice of Eddie to admit he equates a black joining the Republican Party as joining the "white world".

#119 | Posted by Scotty at 2013-02-19 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

One could say the same of those of you who're busy carrying water for GOP chickenhawks.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

You know the GOP water is tough to carry too.

Poor Rubio sure made a fool outa himself with that long reeeeeech for the Elephant water.

And that whole speech was just chock full of Obama Hate.

The message is still the same but now they will try and smile a lot more.

While the president will offer new ideas and an agenda for the next year to continue to grow our economy and broaden opportunity for the middle class, Sen. Rubio and the Republican Party – despite their desire to learn to be a ‘happy' party that just needs to smile more – will continue to offer Americans more of the same failed policies that were rejected by the American people last November," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.

#120 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-02-19 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do you remember McConnell filibustering his own bill?"
#35 | Posted by danni

"MSNBC's 'Cycle' Gives Daschle Platform to Bash Hagel Filibuster; No Mention Daschle Killed Bush's Estrada Nomination Same Way"

Read more: newsbusters.org

#121 | Posted by KBM at 2013-02-19 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

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