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Sunday, February 17, 2013

As tens of thousands gathered in St. Peter's Square on Sunday for Pope Benedict XVI's next-to-last weekly blessing, details are emerging about the health conditions that prompted his decision to retire. The 85-year-old pope has gone blind in his left eye and his hearing has deteriorated, according to Peter Seewald, a German journalist who interviewed him 10 weeks ago and many times earlier. "His body had become so thin that the tailors had difficulty in keeping up with newly fitted clothes. ... I'd never seen him so exhausted-looking, so worn down," Seewald told the German magazine Focus. He said the pope told him, "I'm an old man and the strength is ebbing. I think what I've done is enough."

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When Seewald asked the pope if he was considering retirement, he replied, "That depends on how much my physical strength will force me to that."

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I believe this is a good precedent to set. I don't see what all the excitement and speculation is about.
People live longer these days but endure a much, much longer period of decline because of that. A Pope must be up to the demands of the job.
Keep in mind, however, that traditionally Popes have short reigns because they are almost always of advanced years. John Paul II was a big exception.

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-17 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Soylent green is Pope-le.

#2 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2013-02-17 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have to wonder why Catholic hierarchy elected an old, stumbling wreck of a criminal abettor to begin with.

#3 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2013-02-17 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see what all the excitement and speculation is about.
1 | Posted by Diablo

I think the only conspiracy with him retiring is old age.

#4 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-02-17 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Going blind and deaf...helluva a way for god to treat his right-hand man.

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#5 | Posted by Dave at 2013-02-17 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

They really need another woman pope like Pope Sixtus V ... Back in fourteenth centurie's she past her self off as a man till she got pregnant.
Then she was quickly done away with. A statue of her remains even today on a street in Rome. That all male popes avoid.

#6 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-17 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's blind in more than one eye... "if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." www.youtube.com

#8 | Posted by Hebrews_9_27 at 2013-02-18 04:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Pope is 2 thirds of the way to achieving "See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil.

Next comes "Hold me unaccountable for my own evil".

www.theglobaldispatch.com

#10 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2013-02-18 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

"His body had become so thin that the tailors had difficulty in keeping up with newly fitted clothes. ... I'd never seen him so exhausted-looking, so worn down," Seewald told the German magazine Focus. He said the pope told him, "I'm an old man and the strength is ebbing. I think what I've done is enough."

Maybe he needs to get laid.

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2013-02-18 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes the hard core religious right like we have today. Like Santorum was wanting to ban porn. Which shows republicans as being un-American!

#14 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-18 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Truthteller101 why do you post misinformation? Is it for the attention?

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2013-02-18 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't you watch the republican debates?

Santorum was wanting to ban porn! That's a fact.

#16 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-18 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Santorum was wanting to ban porn! That's a fact."

And the democrats wanna ban guns...NEITHER of which is gonna happen.

#17 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-02-18 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

An the fight will continue. But at lease now pot is legal and that's a start.

#19 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-18 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

What we need is to learn from our Muslim brothers and sisters. Who believe in multi marriage,and the freedom to have all the wives you want.

So lets stand for freedom!

#20 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-18 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's going deaf? That's hot.

~Father Lawrence Murphy~

#21 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2013-02-18 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too much masturbation...

#22 | Posted by dibblda at 2013-02-18 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

They don't call it the Holy See for nothin'.

#23 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-02-18 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

More love from the "intellectual" left:

"You have to wonder why Catholic hierarchy elected an old, stumbling wreck of a criminal abettor to begin with."

"Maybe he needs to get laid."

"He's going deaf? That's hot.

~Father Lawrence Murphy~"

"Too much masturbation..."

The anti-religious left is far more scary than any other group these day.

#24 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right on cue, someone shows up to defend a guy that covered up institutional child RAPE. This isn't even an opinion, it's a stone cold fact. Wow, so some people on the internet said mean things about the law breaking pope. The same pope that hides near the Vatican to avoid prosecution.

Boo freaking hoo.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Right on cue, someone shows up to defend a guy that covered up institutional child RAPE. This isn't even an opinion, it's a stone cold fact."

This lie again? No one did more than Benedict to reform the clergy. It's why they selected him Pope. Truth seems to bother you.

#26 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

news.bbc.co.uk

www.standard.co.uk

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

That canard was responded to at the time, Alex. Try not to rely on Maria Monk sagas from the past. Please note the last sentence:

www.catholicleague.org

On October 1, the British Broadcasting Company (BBC) aired a documentary, "Sex Crimes and the Vatican," that accused Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) of covering up priestly sexual abuse for 20 years. The show, which aired on the BBC's flagship, Panorama, says that Cardinal Ratzinger had been in charge of enforcing a 1962 Vatican document that was allegedly written to cover up these crimes.

It is a tribute to American journalism that the lies told by the BBC have not been widely disseminated in the United States. The 1962 document that the BBC refers to had absolutely nothing to do with covering up priestly sexual abuse. Quite the contrary: it dealt specifically with solicitations that a priest might make in the confessional. In fact, it prescribed penalties for any priest who, "whether by words or signs or nods of the head" (our emphasis) might convey a sexual advance.

This was an ecclesiastical response to a possible offense that, given the priest-penitent privilege, lay outside the purview of civil authorities. Furthermore, if a priest were found guilty, he could be thrown out of the priesthood. To top if off, if the penitent were to tell someone about sexual solicitation by a priest in the confessional (perhaps another priest), he or she had 30 days to report the incident to the bishop or face excommunication. In other words, the Vatican document actually prescribed punishment for the penitent if he or she didn't turn in the guilty priest. The 1962 document was superseded by the 1983 Code of Canon Law and the norms established in 2001 for dealing with serious crimes involving the sacraments. As for the sexual abuse scandal, it was not until 2002, after the scandal had exploded in the media, that Pope John Paul II appointed Cardinal Ratzinger to investigate these matters.

#28 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

And as I posted above, the anti-religious are perhaps the most scary bloc in America today. They are dishonest, ruthless but worst of all inflamed.

#29 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

The 1962 document that the BBC refers to had absolutely nothing to do with covering up priestly sexual abuse.

No, but the 2001 document did, which is what they were talking about.

The sleight of hand from the vatican is unimpressive.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.slate.com

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex, can you read? It was not until 2002 Ratzinger was appointed to review the allegations. Hello?

#32 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.guardian.co.uk

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can read my links, and argue about the difference between 2001 and 2002 all you like.

Anyone denying that the catholic church has systematically covered up child rape, and protected the child rapists by moving them around, has their [...]

It's been well documented and exposed for years now, and it's the reason Benedict will never leave the Vatican.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Okay. Suit yourself, Alex. But if you can not see a difference between 2001 and 2002, throw away your calendar and watch!
First you falsely accused Benedict, and now it is the entire Church! Is there any reasoning with you?

#35 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

oh, the pope and the spooky rituals associated with himself and the putative "church".

gotta "respect" that.

too many commentators here are committed to the idea of this (or the next) old geezer's infallibility, when this is clearly an absurd position: why is some "special" old geezer necessarily more important than YOU are?

in the 21st century, there is no such easy answer; that's why the most hole-y of the holy (sic) are clawing and scrambling for relevance.

YOU make meaning for yourself. Don't ever let some supposedly-spiritual geezer, or whomever, tell you otherwise.

#36 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Honestly, I'm having a hard time taking you seriously, diablo. You're linking to the catholic league, which would say ANYTHING to save the pope.

Meanwhile, I can find about 10 sources with no skin in the game that have a document telling priests and bishops to cover up sexual abuse of children. The same church that has raped and covered up the rape of, thousands of children on most continents of the Earth.

And you want to squabble about 2001 or 2002.

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would venture Benedict would be the first to say he is no more important than you or I, Zara. It is essential to our theology.
Now take a moment to look up the doctrine of infallibility. It is not some totalitarian idea. It is only on matters of doctrine, which is exactly the same authority the Baptist convention or Methodist Synods claim without using the same word "infallibility."

#38 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Meanwhile, I can find about 10 sources with no skin in the game that have a document telling priests and bishops to cover up sexual abuse of children"

Post them, but make sure "no skin in the game" means no chip on the shoulder. Make sure you vet them first, because I will.
C'mon, Alex, put up.

#40 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

The document is called the "De delictis gravioribus".

The 8th serious crime is one of sexual sin committed with someone under 18 years of age by a cleric.

It then goes on to say that after a preliminary investigation reveals that the sexual assault probably happened... they are to keep it secret until 10 years AFTER the victim turns 18. (which runs out the statue of limitations, in case you haven't figured that out, diablo)

This is pure evil, and you are apologizing for it.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Going blind and deaf...helluva a way for god to treat his right-hand man.

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#5 | Posted by Dave

Don't they all die eventually?

#42 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

google it yourself:

"De delictis gravioribus"

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It is not some totalitarian idea."

Christianity is indeed totalitarian. That's why they burned people at the stake, Galileo.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

en.wikipedia.org

Check it out, Alex:

"In the case of criminal actions brought before an ecclesiastical tribunal against someone accused of offences reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, prescription normally limits to ten years from the date of commission of an offence the time within which the prosecution may be initiated;[11] but the document De delictis gravioribus lays down that, in the case of a sexual offence against a minor, the period of ten years begins to run only when the minor reaches 18 years of age."

It is not a 10-year ban on reporting, as you wrongly have it. It is a 10-year limit to report an offense but...BIG BUT...if it is a minor the 10 years start only when the age of 18 comes. In other words, a longer period to report.
Got another one or are you still unconvinced?

#45 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Diablo--wasn't Benedict handling these case Before 2002?

I believe he was. Then in 2002--whatever year--he took All the cases.

------

What's all the brouhaha about anyway?

We have the same [...] going on in our public schools--out in the open!

There are millions of kids getting molested every year by teachers--who are then getting moved to another school or put inside a Rubber Room when it becomes blatent.

The sex education is passed out to the kids and grooming them to be pedophiles or be victims of pedophiles. It's all in plain sight and condoned by the school administrators--because they are only thinking about the kids....

There is also Planned Parenthood passing out pamphlets to Girl Scouts.

Even Obama says sex education should be taught in kindergarten.

After the age of 8 it's too late--cartoons of kids watching adult sex, then cartoons of masturbation, cartoons of self-examination.

The same stuff put out by Playboy since the 1960's.

And we have to wonder why there are so many pedophiles around?

#46 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

#40 | POSTED BY DIABLO

playing some serious, defense, are we, 'blo?

(those 10 sources have been definitively answered....getting ready to answer the next 1000)

#47 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Christianity is indeed totalitarian. That's why they burned people at the stake, Galileo."

Null thinks Galileo was burned at the stake? No wonder Obama got elected.

#48 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Christianity is indeed totalitarian. That's why they burned people at the stake, Galileo.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 10:43 PM | Reply

You're mistaken; that burning at the stake thing----that wasn't Christianity; that was global warming. Even Galileo was behind the times.

#49 | Posted by matsop at 2013-02-18 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would venture Benedict would be the first to say he is no more important than you or I, Zara...

I would venture that Benedict, the rest of the religious fanatics, et al, are old, dead, white guys whose relevance to the present day is exactly nil.

#50 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Murph, you raise so many points and all good, as always. No Ratzinger did not get these cases before 2002. He actually tightened reporting requirements (as I corrected Alex above) and got control over these cases only in 2002.
Ratzinger was hounded as "the rottweiler" by liberals during the 1980's simply because he went after the lax standards for clergy. To accuse him of abetting these monsters is libel.

#51 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I would venture that Benedict, the rest of the religious fanatics, et al, are old, dead, white guys whose relevance to the present day is exactly nil."

especially given that more and more people are dissociating from the traditional monotheistic structure of belief.

#52 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Null thinks Galileo was burned at the stake?"
#48 | Posted by Diablo

That's a retarded retort. I didn't say anything of the sort, nor did I imply anything of the sort. I'm sorry you have poor reading comprehension skills, Copernicus. I'll make sure to dumb it down just for you in the future.

#53 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

inb4 before the correction: pope-whatever isn't an old dead irrelevant white guy...........................
.he's just irrelevant!

#54 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I would venture that Benedict, the rest of the religious fanatics, et al, are old, dead, white guys whose relevance to the present day is exactly nil."

Invincible ignorance.

#55 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

the 10 years start only when the age of 18 comes.

RIght. So they're 28 when the case gets reported to the authorities? and SURPRISE the statue of limitations for child molestation has run it's course by then.

I'm sure it's a coincidence...one of those mysterious moves made by God, and not at all a man-made device to spare the church from paying out anymore rape money. *laugh*

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:" Jeremiah 5:21

#56 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Diablo = Little Eichmann for the Vatican.

#57 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm sorry you have poor reading comprehension skills.."

I'm sorry you have such poor writing skills. All I did was quote what you wrote, Zara.

#58 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

anyone tagging any sort of faith onto this guy is totally hopeless; he's an above-ground fossil.

to hell with the stupid pope, literally.

the drama surrounding which old geezer which would be best-credentialed to take up the mantle of the funny-hat-geezer is the best.

#59 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The sad part is, I bet diablo is a GREAT guy in person. He just finds himself semantically defending monsters because they share the same religious beliefs.

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

With his eyesight even Benny couldn't pick out da pope in da pizza.

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the drama surrounding which old geezer which would be best-credentialed to take up the mantle of the funny-hat-geezer is the best."

yeah, but it's drama cooked up by the media......not the other "old geezers".

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | POSTED BY DIABLO

I didn't write that, catolico.

#63 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ratzinger was hounded as "the rottweiler" by liberals during the 1980's simply because he went after the lax standards for clergy. To accuse him of abetting these monsters is libel.

#51 | Posted by Diablo

So he was handling cases before 2002. Why else call him a rottweiler?

The problem with the clergy is that they put the clergy over and above the victims. That is the worst part and the down fall. Because if they had treated the molestation as crimes--they would have told the police on the first report and the priest would have been arrested and defrocked.

The hierarchy had the same misconceptions about pedophilia as many misguided idiots have today. They believe it can be treated and wished away--or prayed away.

#64 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"RIght. So they're 28 when the case gets reported to the authorities? and SURPRISE the statue of limitations for child molestation has run it's course by then."

Alex, are you trying to be obtuse? Read the link I provided.
The limitation has nothing to do with anything except the time a person suffering the offense has to make a complaint to Church authorities. It is the exact same as the statute of limitations in civil/criminal law. It is NOT a prohibition on reporting an offense as you incorrectly claimed at first. You are very wrong to make such a libel.
If the offense happened before age 18, the 'statute of limitations' for REPORTING the offense starts at that age. That's all it says. It provides a longer time to make a complaint, in other words.
You first posted Ratzinger had commanded that no reporting of a crime could be made for 10 years. That's a lie, Alex. He wrote nothing of the sort. You were wrong and it's in black and white above under your name.
You wrote a lie, Alex. Ratzinger did not prohibit reporting abuse, as you claimed.

#65 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The hierarchy had the same misconceptions about pedophilia as many misguided idiots have today. They believe it can be treated and wished away--or prayed away.

Yup. Most pedophiles cannot be cured with today's techniques.

#66 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I didn't write that, catolico."

Sorry, Zara. It was someone as dumb and bigoted as you are. My apology.

#67 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Most pedophiles cannot be cured with today's techniques."

I didn't think any could be cured.

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 11:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever, diablo.

The church covered up child rape. It is well documented, and you continue to play semantics. Ratzinger allowed clergy to be moved to other places after complaints were made against them, and new victims predictably emerged. There is a LONG PERSISTENT pattern of abuse, cover-up, and lies...and you want to focus on minor details and ignore the horrible truth: Pope Benedict was in a position to do good for these rape victims, and he not only didn't, he raped them all a second time by not letting them have closure.

But but but... I got sub paragraph 3 of section C wrong! So go focus on that, apologist for evil.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or Freud, Darwin, Voltaire...true, Null!

#71 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't think any could be cured.

Posted by eberly at 2013-02-18 11:13 PM | Reply

Didn't want to say all, since a few might have done well with chemical castration.

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex--if that were true--they would be in the news and in all the books and magazines touting the cure.

#73 | Posted by MURPHY at 2013-02-18 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Murphy- I don't think it's been long enough to say.

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

The 2012 FIAT 500c goes from 0-60 in 9.9 seconds.

ergo

Pope Benedict is innocent.

-Diablo

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

waiting for apologies-in-the-making...

#77 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The church covered up child rape. It is well documented, and you continue to play semantics. Ratzinger allowed clergy to be moved to other places after complaints were made against them, and new victims predictably emerged. There is a LONG PERSISTENT pattern of abuse, cover-up, and lies...and you want to focus on minor details and ignore the horrible truth: Pope Benedict was in a position to do good for these rape victims, and he not only didn't, he raped them all a second time by not letting them have closure."

Alex, I gave you black and white refutation of your specific claims, and you retreat to general accusations?
Ratzinger did NOT allow clergy to be moved in order to cover up. Substantiate that and I will refute, as I did your claim he prohibited anyone from reporting abuse claims for 10 years...a TOTAL lie, Alex!
He was in a position to do something and he DID. He tightened up clergy standards and was hounded by liberals for doing so.
You call your major errors "minor details" when I refute them? You made major errors saying Benedict had prohibited anyone from reporting clergy abuse. Just admit it. Or, again, show me proof Benedict prohibited anyone from reporting clergy abuse. Go ahead....prove you know what you are talking about, Alex.

#78 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Or Freud, Darwin, Voltaire...true, Null!"

Christians would have burned all three of them at the stake if the Christian reign of terror hadn't been stopped by intelligent people.

#79 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.youtube.com

#80 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the church moves priests around because of sex crimes, then the church is involved in the coverup of the crime and then accessory to future crimes.
There is no debating the issue. The catholic church covered up sex crimes,period.

Bishop
Cardinal
Pope

How is it I knew about the coverup 30 years ago,when I decided the catholic church can GFT's

rwd

#81 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-02-18 11:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no debating the issue. The catholic church covered up sex crimes,period.

I know that, you know that, diablo doesn't want to know that because I got a minor detail wrong.

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Freud, Darwin, and Voltaire, in isolation -- let alone together -- have the chops to definitively say FU to the "Church", so what of it?

#83 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ratzinger did NOT allow clergy to be moved in order to cover up.

#78 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you are saying he didn't know?

If he did did he call the cops?

He knew and he didn't do anything about it, except maybe do a little dance step,the jig.

rwd

#84 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-02-18 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Christians would have burned all three of them at the stake if the Christian reign of terror hadn't been stopped by intelligent people."

Really, Null? Priests showed up when Voltaire was dying to offer the sacraments and he waved them off.
Why did they not kill him? If they had such hostility, why even bother to show up?
Compare that to what the French revolutionaries did to the clergy, if your finger is not too lazy too Google.

#85 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't get me involved with agreeing with you. You are both r-tards.

rwd

#86 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-02-18 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So you are saying he didn't know?"

Show me a case he knew about and did nothing about. The general accusation tactic is getting old.

#87 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ratzinger is well known for being a micro manager.

#88 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I know that, you know that, diablo doesn't want to know that because I got a minor detail wrong."

Minor detail? Alex, you claimed Benedict prohibited anyone from reporting an abuse case for a 10-year period. That's false, and not minor.

#89 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyway, the holeist (sic) of the holeies (sic) didn't know what was going on, so it's all OK!

Nothing to see here.

#90 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure, that's why so many cases didn't get reported until well after the statue of limitations were up.

It was a coincidence.

Or divine intervention.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alex, just admit it: you were wrong to say Benedict prohibited anyone from reporting an abuse case for a 10-year period. Just admit you were wrong.
Then on to your next canard.

#92 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Priests showed up when Voltaire was dying to offer the sacraments and he waved them off."

Great! Good for Voltaire for not doing a cheap death-bed conversion with "sacraments" and all that other mumbo jumbo.

Let's here it for i239.photobucket.com">Voltaire!

#93 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.nytimes.com

Top Vatican officials -- including the future Pope Benedict XVI -- did not defrock a priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys, even though several American bishops repeatedly warned them that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church, according to church files newly unearthed as part of a lawsuit.

The internal correspondence from bishops in Wisconsin directly to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future pope, shows that while church officials tussled over whether the priest should be dismissed, their highest priority was protecting the church from scandal.

The documents emerge as Pope Benedict is facing other accusations that he and direct subordinates often did not alert civilian authorities or discipline priests involved in sexual abuse when he served as an archbishop in Germany and as the Vatican's chief doctrinal enforcer.

Find something wrong in here and dismiss it, diablo.

#94 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, I screwed up and gave the catholic version of goatman an out, a minor point to focus on instead of the crushing evidence of how wrong he is. Mea Culpa, you apologist for evil.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-18 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Show me a case he knew about and did nothing about. The general accusation tactic is getting old.

#87 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like I said,doing the jig. He may have not technically covered it up but he sure as hell didn't do anything about it while he was in a position to do something about it.

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A letter written in 1985, when the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was the head of the Vatican's doctrinal unit, resists a request for the defrocking of an American priest with a record of molesting children, for the "good of the universal Church".

www.guardian.co.uk

rwd

#96 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2013-02-18 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Go away and die in ignomy, pope half-brain.

#97 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-18 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

One century, it's witch burning. Another century, it's kiddie diddling. Same old song from Christians.

#98 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-18 11:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

dat kid diddling.

the catholics just can't keep making excuses for it.

sad.

#99 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

*can't stop from making excuses for it.

#100 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Find something wrong in here and dismiss it, diablo."

Gladly, Alex, and thanks for admitting your previous lie was...well, just getting something a little wrong. Gimme a break. Please note in the following, Ratzinger's office actually LIFTED the Church statute of limitations for investigation in this particular case you cite.

www.catholicleague.org

In the March 28 Times, columnist Maureen Dowd said that Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now the pope, "ignored repeated warnings and looked away in the case of the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy, a Wisconsin priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys." Wrong. Her own newspaper said it has no evidence that he even knew of letters that reached his office in 1996 about this matter.
The March 29 edition of the Times had a news story which said that Ratzinger "did not defrock a priest who molested scores of deaf boys in the United States, despite warnings by American bishops about the danger of failure to act, according to church files." Wrong. Besides the fact that there is no evidence he even knew of the case, his office actually lifted the statute of limitations -- the abuse took place in the 50s and 60s -- and began an investigation. Murphy died while the inquiry was proceeding.
It was one thing for pundits to play fast and loose and ignore the evidence. It was doubly distressing when those who write for the New York Times did so. While this may come as a shocker to the Times, no priest can be defrocked until he is found guilty. If the inquiry was on-going when Murphy died, there is no way he could have been defrocked.
This is particularly disgusting given that the Times is ever so sensitive about the civil liberties rights of accused jihadists.

#101 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a small boy, diablo?

#102 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-19 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

achtung! candy!

#103 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

ITT: lol, catholicism.

#104 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Like I said,doing the jig. He may have not technically covered it up but he sure as hell didn't do anything about it while he was in a position to do something about it."

This too easy, rightwingd.

www.catholicleague.org

"CNN reports that Kiesle's bishop, John Cummins, wanted him defrocked in 1981 after he was convicted of sexually abusing boys. Vatican officials, however, wanted more information; Cardinal Ratzinger had taken over as the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith a week after the Vatican office made its ruling. Following Church norms that existed at the time, Ratzinger said he could not defrock Kiesle because no one under 40 could be laicized, and he was in his thirties. Kiesle could have been ordered to stand trial, but because he was so close to turning 40 (and a trial is not a speedy process), a decision was made to wait. On February 13, 1987, the day before Kiesle's 40th birthday, he was defrocked.

"What CNN did not report is that Kiesle was removed from ministry following his conviction. Nor did it mention the curious fact that in 1982, while still technically a priest, Kiesle married the mother of a girl he had abused in 1973. But to mention such an oddity may have shifted blame away from the pope, thus muddying the bottom line."

Next canard!

#106 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see Alex and the rest now are reduced to playground retorts. Case closed.

#107 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

"How many licks does it take to get to the center of a small boy, diablo?

#102 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-02-19 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag: "

First Alex lies, then he retreats into this stuff.

#108 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

better than being fondled in the confessionary, or whatever that dumb box is called. Case closed.

#109 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

btw, assuming the moral high-ground of, "oh, 'playground retorts'!" doesn't really hold water when there's evidence of systemic child molestation that is apparent to all but the most ideologically-blinded.

Go say "oh, playground retorts!" to the thousands of children who've been molested by scheisskopf catololicos, Diablo.

#110 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Zara, I refuted the claim of Alex that Benedict had prohibited anyone from reporting clergy abuse.
Then the usual swarm tactic of posts started here.
Even Alex admitted he had made a "minor" mistake.
Now you step up with ignorance. Ever been in a confessional? There's a wall between priest and penitent. Surprise! It's impossible to touch, moron.
Now, got something of substance to offer or just more playground retorts?

#111 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

pAEdopope.

catolicos, this is addressed to you

#113 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks, Zara. Your admission of prejudice and abuse proves my case.

#114 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

or, the irrelevance of your ethos.

let's each call it a win, shall we?

regardless, happy to oblige.

#115 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nope. You and Alex tried, but lost.

#116 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

ok.

diablo: rationalizing and/or making excuses for child-botherers is OK, if it's hol(e)y. Especially if the one directing the excuses wears a funny hat.

everyone else: um, no.

if you think you won that one, then you get an extra-special sticker.

g'night.

#117 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 01:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am allowed to be extra self-righteous about this; my sister just had a baby a few months ago.

It's a girl, which will thankfully lead to the immediate disinterest of most Catholic religious figures, but hands off regardless, you hat-wearing FREAKS.

#118 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2013-02-19 01:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Zara, despite your abusive rhetoric, my side has survived far more deadly assaults than your juvenile snipes for two millenia. You are not as potent as Cromwell, Stalin or Domitian.
We continue to live. Ephemeral views like yours die.
The love of your own time will kill you.

#119 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-19 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, Zara. It was someone as dumb and bigoted as you are. My apology.

I'm sorry, but as the damn near sole defender of the anti-gay school teacher the other day whining about religious liberty to discriminate against homosexuals you have zero room to throw around the bigot label.

#120 | Posted by jpw at 2013-02-19 01:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone knows why these people are against abortions. They want their religious to have their way with kids in their orphanages. It's all about control.

#121 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2013-02-19 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

DIABLO -

What have you to say about the following:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.

3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.

itccs.org

And then there's this:

In fact Benedict XVI then Cardinal Ratzinger ordered all bishops worldwide to maintain absolute secrecy about priest pedophilia and to simply transfer them from one parish to another. Now historians are proving this with valid documents.

According to German theologian Uta Ranke-Heinemann, the Catholic Church "from the Vatican down to the priests on the field, have helped to guarantee the abusers absolute impunity. There are two internal documents in which the Catholic church takes care of maintaining the abuse in absolute secrecy, "Crimen Sollicitationis" (Latin for "the crime of soliciting") and "De delictis gravioribus" ("on more serious crimes"), was written in 2001 by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, today's Pope Benedict XVI ". Ranke-Heinemann said that the only penalty for the abusers has been their "continued relocation. They are continuously transferred from one place to another. This allows them to walk abroad and be up to their mischief in total impunity."

http://www.bishop- accountability.org/news2010/ 03_04/ 2010_03_03_Arrow_BenedictXVI.h tm

#122 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-19 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#122 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2013-02-19 03:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG

So some people who hate Catholics and have no legal authority whatsoever of any kind released a press release stating thy were gonna GET him if he hand't stepped down? And they TOTALLY were about to get a warrant from some "European Country" Oh no!

I don;t like Catholics, but this is paranoid babbling lunacy and should be denounced as such.

As far as I can tell, Ratzinger has been the only higherup that actually seemed to CARE about the issue of molestation.

#123 | Posted by soheifox at 2013-02-19 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don;t like Catholics, but this is paranoid babbling lunacy and should be denounced as such.

DIABLO's use of catholicleague.org can be just as criticized. How about arguing the premise as opposed to the credibility of the source. That's what everyone else has done here with Diablo. Come on down and stroll around in the muck with the rest of us.

#124 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-19 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#124 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2013-02-19 05:06 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He's defending his beliefs, and none of his links were from absolute lunatics who are implying basically they FORCED the Pope to step down. The Catholic League is certainly a BIASED source, but it's not out and out hilarity like what you posted.

And let us travel back a short hop to my first point: he is defending his faith from very serious accusations such as the one that their leader is abetting criminal behavior. That's a very serious accusation, and making such an accusation does, in fact, require proof. All that was posted was speculation, opinion pieces, and some things that flatout approached slander. If the best you can offer is opinion pieces that premise mostly on lies of omission, you have no room to complain if someone uses a biased source in return; especially if the same biased source can actually give just as much basis in documents as the other biased source.

And agian let's hop back to that point; he is defending his faith. He does not like awful lies spread about his faith. A big giant pile of the rest of you are attacking a faith, and for no discernable purpose beyond personal rage and spite.

When you spend such energy hating the actions of others that you would actually post lunacy like the one I objected to AND EXPECT IT TO BE ANSWERED SERIOUSLY, you're not just biased, you're bordering on obsessed and deranged.

You don't like Catholics. We get it. Guess what? Neither do I. But I don;t entertain notions that I'm so much smarter or better than Catholics. They're like every other group on the planet that ever has been or ever will be. A few winners, a whole giant bunch of useless jerks... and the great giant inbetween majority who basically just want t be given freedom both to and from worship; but will ceritnaly defend their cause if it is unfairly attacked in front of them.

This thread is suppsoed to be about the leader of one of the world's largest religions going blind, but people like you are so ANGRY about.. well.. nothing except others DARING to believe differently than you.. that you couldn't stop yourselves from falling on tired canards.

And where's the Rcade on this? Why he's out trying to cybersquat on as many potential "new pope name" domains as possible. It's no wonder he allows threads that even MENTION Catohlicism to turn to this.

He's just as bitter.

#125 | Posted by soheifox at 2013-02-19 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank you, Soheifox.

You're a decent and honorable person for standing up to the bigoted and hateful rants against Catholics and their religion which were allowed to dominate this thread.

#126 | Posted by CalifChris at 2013-02-19 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

And where's the Rcade on this? Why he's out trying to cybersquat on as many potential "new pope name" domains as possible.

#125 | Posted by soheifox

You have some proof of that, Bounty Boy?

#127 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-02-19 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

SHOE -

Please point to where I put forth as hominem attacks against anyone. I wanted Diablo's opinion on what I linked. You decided to chime in and attack me as some catholic hating crazed loon like others above. You slander me and then berate me for putting forth baseless allegations?! Ha!

#128 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-19 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

And for the record, I presented the sources that you are attacking only after Diablo presented a source that is just as biased. Like I said, come on down and stroll around in the muck with us.

#129 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2013-02-19 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

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