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Sunday, February 17, 2013

Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) claimed after the State of the Union address, "There are more people killed with baseball bats and hammers than are killed with guns." Slate's Explainer reports that this is false by a factor of 17: "According to FBI data, 8,583 people were murdered with firearms in 2011. Only 496 people were killed by blunt objects, a category that includes not just hammers and baseball bats but crowbars, rocks, paving stones, statuettes, and electric guitars."

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Broun also said last year that the Earth is 9,000 years old. Slate called his newest claim "a significant improvement on his estimate of the age of the Earth. The blue planet is 4.54 billion years old, or more than 500,000 times older than Broun believes it to be."

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So, everyone who posted that hammers kill more people than guns, here's your chance to fess up and be forgiven. Don't be embarrassed some of us should have been faster to call you on the ridiculous claim.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-17 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pure stupidity, plain and simple, something anyone could just acknowledge and move on. And yet gun lovers can't pass on a chance to deflect and change the subject.

#2 | Posted by cbob at 2013-02-17 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I believe more people die from obesity than murders. I believe more people die from smoking than murders.

So..

What difference does it make now?

#3 | Posted by SamSpade at 2013-02-17 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your beliefs are fairy tales unless backed by facts.

#4 | Posted by klifferd at 2013-02-17 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least 2.8 million adults die each year as a result of being overweight or obese

Tobacco kills nearly six million people each year

#5 | Posted by SamSpade at 2013-02-18 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

#11 Do you even bother to read the posts previous to your own? Most people speak of the statistics regarding so called "assault rifles" compared to blunt objects. They are not referring to simply guns in general.

#6 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-18 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes I do. Actually absorbing the whole context of the entire post. It is strange enough that people are confused to what actually is an "assault rifle/weapon" is, but none the less, are there even any real statistics of actual murders being committed with semi-automatic weapons alone? Does it even really matter? What is to objective of the MSM? For this post I think it's just to bring light that even Paul Broun is somewhat clueless.

#7 | Posted by SamSpade at 2013-02-18 09:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

So, everyone who posted that hammers kill more people than guns, here's your chance to fess up and be forgiven. Don't be embarrassed some of us should have been faster to call you on the ridiculous claim.

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI

I doubt you're going to find anyone here on the DR that made that claim although believing it was so probably fills you with an Ensure-fueled glee. More people were murdered by blunt objects than by rifles. Fact. Keep in mind that assault rifles (as the Slate article does finally point out) constitute "only a portion of rifle deaths". One (R) rep from Georgia misstating the facts does not mean WE are all wrong. If that were the case, everyone with a (D) in front of their name would believe that Guam could capsize and sink.

#8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-18 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

More people were murdered by blunt objects than by rifles.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02

The point really is, and has always been, that a potential, untrained victim can always do much more about a hammer than a gun.

The point also is, and has always been, that large ammunition magazines are peculiarly suited to a certain kind of crime.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-18 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I doubt you're going to find anyone here on the DR that made that claim although believing it was so probably fills you with an Ensure-fueled glee."

The claim was posted here quite a few times, now we wait for those who did to admit their error.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2013-02-18 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, the point has always been "keep our children safe", Zed. You can see that trumpeted repeatedly here on the DR. If you want to make the US a safer place, you'd be better off banning swimming pools and preventing people from driving until they're 25 years old. Banning assault rifles will eliminate only a portion of what has statistically been about 350 rifle-related deaths per year. Further, if you still believe that the anti-gun crowd is simply pursuing "large ammunition magazines", you have not been paying attention to what is happening in California, Missouri, Maryland and New York. Fearful sheep are being whipped into a frenzy by anti-gun shepherds who are counting on the ignorance of their flock to ignore the facts and repeat the talking points. Case in point: Post #19.

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-18 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

#20 I went looking. Here are three threads where the topic came up..two pretty much dedicated to the statistic. The only people I see lumping rifles into the larger "guns" category appear to be liberals losing the argument about more people being killed by blunt objects than by rifles.

www.drudge.com

www.drudge.com

www.drudge.com

Your turn.

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-18 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

#21 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02

I said nothing that was erroneous. Love guns or hate them, what I said is right.

Time to deal with it. Or do you not think someone out there wants to break Lanza's record?

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

#23 Should we not ban how many magazines someone can legally own, since someone with five 10 bullet magazines can do more damage than someone with a single 30 bullet magazine?

#14 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-18 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

# since someone with five 10 bullet magazines can do more damage than someone with a single 30 bullet magazine?

#24 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02

Its an interesting place the gun-consuming public has put the rest of us in, isn't it?

I'm sitting here wondering what people do with five ten-bullet clips or one thirty-bullet clip and the only answer I can come up with is to protect themselves against others with five ten-bullet clips or one thirty-bullet clip.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-18 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those city cops aren't wearing cowboy shirts anymore. You need that type of stopping power when the day comes to exercise your 2nd ammendment right to take over city hall and kill every legally-elected official in sight.

#16 | Posted by madscientist at 2013-02-18 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

The solution is easy: every conservative should grab a hammer and go looking for liberals. That way the stats can come more in line with the argument.
Whaddaya mean it's against the law?? So is gun confiscation and libs push that.

#17 | Posted by Diablo at 2013-02-18 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 Your response is really no response at all. It is no interesting place. It is a matter of fact that shows banning the amount of bullets in a magazine is a meaningless and fruitless endeavor.

#18 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-19 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is a matter of fact that shows banning the amount of bullets in a magazine is a meaningless and fruitless endeavor.

#28 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-19 08:52 AMFlag: (Choose)
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Actually, the theory is that small magazines will provide others with an opporunity to either defend themselves against, or escape from, a shooter.

They might actually be able to defend themselves using a gun. That ought to make you happy. If it does not then, sorry, you are a gun-nut.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm bemused with those who seem to advocate that every possible tactical advantage be provided to those who take the initiative for mass murder

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am equally bemused by those who would have law abiding citizens intentionally put themselves at a tactical disadvantage in a situation where they are confronted by criminals who would seek to do them harm and who would not be constrained by laws regarding their possession of illegally configured weapons.

#21 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02-19 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am equally bemused by those who would have law abiding citizens intentionally put themselves at a tactical disadvantage in a situation where they are confronted by criminals who would seek to do them harm and who would not be constrained by laws regarding their possession of illegally configured weapons.

#31 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-02

Well, seems that there is a lot of bemusement going around.

I assume, given your line of argument, that you'd have no problem with legalizing fully automatic arms for civilians to carry with them. Given, as you say, that bad people aren't being restrained by relevant law anyway?

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

with legalizing fully automatic arms for civilians

They are legal.
Try and keep up.

I have one friend with an M-14 and another with an M-60.
As a handloader I find full auto to be wasteful.

#23 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-02-19 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have one friend with an M-14 and another with an M-60.
As a handloader I find full auto to be wasteful.

#33 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2013-02-19 10

Sure, ZAT.

Do they carry these with them when they go out for a loaf of bread?

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes? No? Sometimes? Easter only?

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

The original claim was knives and blunt objects (such as baseball bats and hammers) are used in more murders than rifles "including politically created "assault rifles" pushing to be banned by the left.

If using the wrong data makes him a laughing stock then Obama is the biggest laughing stock in the country with MSNBC coming in a close second.

#5 | Posted by KBM

I think the original claim is correct. Damn few murders are done with 'long' guns and hardly any are done with 'assult' rifles.

Question, what guns were used to murder all thoes kids in the school last month?

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-02-19 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

#29 One could use a gun just as effectively for defense in any situation, whether the shooter has large magazines or many magazines.

The issue, of course, is why we are planning on taking away larger magazines when it has no larger an impact on the ease of the criminals actions.

Do you propose a ban on the number of magazines on individual can posses so that the new legislation is meaningful? If so, where do you find justification for taking away the liberty of the law abiding to ease your fanciful paranoia?

#27 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-19 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

fanciful paranoia?

#37 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02

In my paranoia, I seem to be missing where you are actually addressing my points.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd guess that one of those points would be, since criminals aren't restrained by gun laws, why we don't see more of them toting fully automatic weapons?

After all, the logic they should do so is faultless. At least, from your point of view, since (unlike ZAT'S friends), most ordinary people aren't keeping their Thompsons with them when they shop at the mall.

If you don't understand the above, then don't blame me. Blame the NRA. They created it.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#39 You haven't given your justification for limiting the number of magazines an individual can possess. That was what was asked for.

#30 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-02-19 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#39 You haven't given your justification for limiting the number of magazines an individual can possess. That was what was asked for.

#40 | Posted by HeuristicGratis

At least one rationale is advanced. You just need scroll up. Meanwhile, I'm going to lunch for a bit. If you haven't found it by then, I help you a bit.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2013-02-19 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

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