Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Unpasteurized milk is 150 times more likely to cause food-borne illness outbreaks than pasteurized milk, and such outbreaks had a hospitalization rate 13 times higher than those involving pasteurized dairy products, according to a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "When you consider that no more than 1% of the milk consumed in the United States is raw, it's pretty startling to see that more of the outbreaks were caused by raw milk than pasteurized," said researcher Barbara Mahon.

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I knew before I even opened this thread that it was a Cadenhead cryfest. We get it Rogers the thought of raw milk curdles your sensitive tummy well just don't drink it then it's labelled as such and that should be enough for anybody with a brain. You do have a brain don't you you big wuss?

#1 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-22 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

What a dick.

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#2 | Posted by Dave at 2012-02-22 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why cause I don't want people to be limited in their food choices just cause I personally find those choices objectionable? Go choke on a thousand year old egg you POS

#3 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-22 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just another way to shit on the Amish.

#4 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2012-02-22 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

No shit...Speaking of shit, they didn't bother to mention that people are 75% less likely to be lactose intolerant with raw milk and that pasteurized milk is a lot more fattening.

#5 | Posted by Olivenhain at 2012-02-22 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have been drinking raw milk for the last 15 years and I am still alive.

#6 | Posted by Olivenhain at 2012-02-22 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mr Scotch, I urge you not to be so quick to discount the dangers of raw milk as set forth by the CDC ..

the CDC has proved invaluable with their "SARS" global epidemic alert .. oops ..
~ umm, there was that pesky "BIRD FLU" that would end humanity as we know it .. oops again
~ well who could forget the 2009 global destruction which H1N1/swine flue caused .. well oh shit ..
~ anyway, I believe "Mad Cow" disease DID kill a guy in Canada .. tho he was kinda old & left in a hospital hallway for 5 days

raw milk drinkers are a danger to society and should be stoned .. as should critical thinkers ..
~ there is really no good reason for that kind of selfishness

#7 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-02-22 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Utah Senate approves tougher tanning rules
www.sltrib.com

Our country is completely insane.

Adults are not smart enough to make the decision whether to drink raw or pasteurized milk

Teens aren't capable of making their own decision regarding tanning

But children are capable and responsible enough before puberty to decide that they want to get mutilation surgery to make themselves into the opposite sex...

#8 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-22 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and to add another:

Abortion investigation: doctors filmed agreeing illegal abortions 'no questions asked'
www.telegraph.co.uk

(The above story is from England but, happening there it is a pretty safe bet it is also happening here)

#9 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-22 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

We buy our milk from the farm down the street. They have 2 Jersey cows that we see every day. Their facility is clean, and they love their animals. The milk is incredible. It's so creamy it almost tastes like ice cream. We make ice cream with the cream using eggs we buy from that same farm. The yolks are rich golden yellow and the shells extremely hard, the flavor is amazing. We also make ricotta and yogurt with the milk. It's so much better than the crap they sell at the supermarkets.

This kind of story is propaganda put out by big dairy and big ag, nothing more.

#10 | Posted by TheCosmicFluke at 2012-02-22 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Sure are a lot of tears in this thread.

The above story is from England but, happening there it is a pretty safe bet it is also happening here

Translation-I'm full of shit but like to act like I'm not anyway.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-22 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 .. u r a rightwing militia terrorist wife-beater, hateful bigot, and an enemy to the collective group!

btw, got any extra vanilla ice cream?

#12 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-02-22 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

naturally, the ice-cream is not for me, but 4 an elderly friend

#13 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-02-22 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Adults are not smart enough to make the decision whether to drink raw or pasteurized milk

Apparently they are not.

#14 | Posted by Dr_Icepick at 2012-02-22 11:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-22 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

You seem to be the only one full of shit here.

It is happening in England... people do wrong things here as well.

Do you really find it hard to believe that some doctors would not allow gender selection abortions for the right price?

It wasn't a main point, just a sub point.

There are far worse things than letting people willingly choose to drink non-pasteurized milk.

#15 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-23 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

You shouldn't print this garbage without actually doing some fact checking first. The CDC's own data proves raw milk is safer.

#16 | Posted by anji at 2012-02-23 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is happening in England... people do wrong things here as well.

So we're to assume that anything we can find a media report on anywhere else is likely happening here as well?

Shit, that could be fun.

Do you really find it hard to believe that some doctors would not allow gender selection abortions for the right price?

No I don't. The point (main point, not sub point), though, is that you're reaching and expect us to squint so we can see it your way.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Holy shit, Dave is a pants pisser. If you don't like raw milk, don't drink it.

Personally, I choose not to drink it for the similar reason I choose not to sit on a soiled public toilet seat, but if you're retarded and want to drink it, by all means put it away by the gallon.

#18 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2012-02-23 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

The CDC's own data proves raw milk is safer.

Link?

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Abortion investigation:

#9 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-22 08:16 PM

Why are you posting about abortion in a raw milk thread?

#20 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2012-02-23 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

the CDC has proved invaluable with their "SARS" global epidemic alert .. oops ..
~ umm, there was that pesky "BIRD FLU" that would end humanity as we know it .. oops again
~ well who could forget the 2009 global destruction which H1N1/swine flue caused .. well oh shit ..

Interesting that only the utter destruction of the human race will impress LE_light.

SARS and H5N1 ("BIRD FLU") are some sick shit and I'm damn glad there are people watching that sort of thing.

H1N1 was very interesting in many ways and showed traits that were alarming. Good thing it didn't end up following the 1918 flu more closely than it did.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 01:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

You know what? I'm sure that people are at least 10,000 times more likely to get sick from a raw oyster than a fried one.

But we don't stop people from eating raw oysters, do we?

So why do we try to stop people from drinking raw milk?

Raw milk is no healthier than cooked milk. It just isn't.

But it's not my place or yours to stop someone from drinking it.

#22 | Posted by DarkVader at 2012-02-23 01:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you posting about abortion in a raw milk thread?

He drinks blended fetus slurpies and is over compensating?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 01:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and if anyone tries to stop me from eating my delicious raw oysters, they're going to find themselves on the wrong end of my very liberal good Soviet SKS.

#24 | Posted by DarkVader at 2012-02-23 01:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

He drinks blended fetus slurpies and is over compensating?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 01:02 AM

I just assumed dead fetus coat hanger skewers made his man teat nipples hard and in turn caused him to link the issue of abortion to raw milk. But your explanation is equally valid.

#25 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2012-02-23 01:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and if anyone tries to stop me from eating my delicious raw oysters, they're going to find themselves on the wrong end of my very liberal good Soviet SKS.

You'd shoot someone over a raw oyster?

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 01:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

I just assumed dead fetus coat hanger skewers made his man teat nipples hard and in turn caused him to link the issue of abortion to raw milk. But your explanation is equally valid.

Hmmmmmm dead fetus coat hanger skewers served in a "raw milk" cream sauce.

Is the placenta garnish or part of the meal?

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 01:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is such bullshit. Raw milk is a healthy whole food. I'm willing to bet that the statistics indicate the infectious agents affecting people under 20 began only very recently.

Mahon disagrees. "It is very clear that raw milk is a risk to human health. I know that there are people who believe that it has health giving or curative properties, but I have never seen any studies that support that, and it's widely discredited in the public health community," Mahon says.
This is total propaganda. They barely mention allergic response, which is more likely the case with this new batch of hyper-sensitive, diabetic and autistic-spectrum generations.

There is a concerted effort to eliminate all natural, raw foods.

#28 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2012-02-23 02:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

There's a reason we pasteurize milk now.

Namely death in the form of e coli 0157 or salmonella or campylobacter.

Spud's argued with foodies who claim that cheeses made with raw milk and raw milk itself are simply so superior in taste to their pasteurized counter-parts it was worth the extra risk.

That's a judgment call.

One individuals should prolly still be able to make for themselves but certainly not for others.

Of course, up here in Canada unpasteurized milk is illegal and we even have tip lines to call in farmers suspected of selling the unpasteurized kind. Which are, of course, in existence because some people, notably foodies, argue for the raw kind and are willing to break the law in order to get the stuff.

Meh, still better than a meth habit.

That all noted, Spud avoids the shiat outta milk these days because even the pasteurized stuff is so shot full of unnatural crap that it's gross.

More of a water guy, really.

Well, and beer, of course.

Beer is good.

Be Well.

#29 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-02-23 03:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Beer is good.

Be Well.

#29 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-02-23 03:33 AM


Fun fact, for you.

Did you know Louis Pasteur was not thinking about milk. The process was originally conceived as a way of preventing wine and beer from souring.

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#30 | Posted by Roy_Batty at 2012-02-23 07:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, up here in Canada unpasteurized milk is illegal and we even have tip lines to call in farmers suspected of selling the unpasteurized kind.

#29 | POSTED BY DETHSPUD AT 2012-02-23 03:33 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

So farmers want to sell it?

Consumers want to purchase it?

But your Central government does not want people to have such freedoms so they set up a phone line where you can turn in your neighboring farmer to the government so they can punish him?

This is fucked up! Reminds me of tattle tailing children looking for a parent figure. Which of course is exactly what the left looks for in government.

#31 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 07:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dirk has no idea just how looney he sounds.

#32 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 07:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

I want my freedom!
Repeal the Pure Food & Drug Act of 1906!
Bwahahaha!
~ Durk

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 07:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

H1N1 was very interesting in many ways and showed traits that were alarming. Good thing it didn't end up following the 1918 flu more closely than it did.
#21 | Posted by jpw
why would you or the CDC think that the H1N1 flu could follow 1918 Spanish flu devastation?
~ today doctors wash their hands ..
~ today 10's of thousands aren't sequestered in unheated tents in open fields without sanitary conditions, no medicine, & bad nutrition..
oops .. not til Obama-care fully kicks in anyway

#34 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-02-23 07:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

take my freedom!
give me drugs & gvt
Bwahahaha!
#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

#35 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-02-23 07:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

As usual, the point eludes LeLite's narrow capacity for comprehension.

#36 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 07:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Too much soma and Ayn Rand's Anthem fable.

#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 07:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dirk has no idea just how looney he sounds.

#32 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-23 07:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I am not the one placing my faith in a more centralized form of government. In the entire history of the world it can be shown that as a more centralized form of gains more power and control it becomes more abusive towards its people. So who is the one with the mental disorder? I would say it is the guy that has this incessant need to have government act as his parent and guardian. Freud would have a field day with you although the session would only last about a minute as it wouldn't take long to understand your childlike mind. Summed up....

"I want a government daddy to dominate myself and others because I am fearful of living free" - Simpleton Sarvis

#38 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 07:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

As I said, you've no idea how looney you sound.

#39 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

For those that believe in more government power and control ask yourselves this question.

Throughout history have more people been killed by unpasteurized milk or have more people been killed by thier own abusive and repressive governments?

#40 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 08:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

As I said, you've no idea how looney you sound.

#39 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-23 08:04 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

The fact that you have not the ability to understand my logic nor refute it says a hell of a lot more about your emotional state of dependency then it does mine.

#41 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 08:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

The real question is should we fear farmers or should we fear a more powerful centralized government?

#42 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 08:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-23 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am not expecting you to do anything. I placed two articles up there that show the ridiculous nature of America (and the word) in light of the raw milk issue.

The government doesn't think that adults are capable weighing the risks and deciding whether to personally drink raw milk or not (why this is an issue with private insurance I am not sure... now if they are making the case that everyone has government sanctioned insurance and thus they can do this... that is an argument against government sanctioned insurance in America).

One state, at least, doesn't think teenagers are capable of making the decision to personally tan or not.

Children before the age of puberty ARE deemed capable of deciding whether they were really supposed to be the opposite sex and need mutilating surgery for it.

In England an America, the women who do not have the freedom to decide to put raw milk into their body do have the freedom to decide to take the life of a unique living human being... And in England (at least) they are making that decision flippantly even though the law does not allow that flippant decision. (Note, people break the law in America, doctors and patients a like, however even if this is not happening in America like in England, it does not take away the point.)

The point is... raw milk is one of the least of our issues.

It doesn't make sense that women can make the choice take the life of a unique living human being but cannot make the choice to drink raw milk.

It does not make sense that adults cannot make the choice to drink raw milk but children are deemed capable of making the choice of whether they are or are not the opposite sex without therapy etc.

Those two things just don't make sense...

#43 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-23 08:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The fact that you have not the ability to understand my logic nor refute it says a hell of a lot more about your emotional state of dependency then it does mine."

For openers, I wasn't talking about your "emotional state of dependency." I said you've no idea how looney you sound. And, clearly, you don't.

As for your logic, you might want to consider the fact that you aren't a Great Communicator.

"In the entire history of the world," you assert, "it can be shown that as a more centralized form of gains more power and control it becomes more abusive towards its people."

(By the way, any statement that begins "In the entire history of the world it can be shown" is, automatically, suspect.)

You seem to harken to some sort of at least mildly bucolic state of nature, a pastoral wonderland in which the complex, interwoven ties of modern society are replaced by reverence for a Jeffersonian dream that didn't exit in even Jefferson's time.

I pointed out your foolishness with my reference to the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906. For therein is a perfect example of government intervening in an area of public concern for the public good. A development you'd presumably oppose (and, if not oppose, then twist yourself into a pretzel trying to make comport with the views you've stated here).

In general, Americans have been pretty adept at working with a system them limits drifts towards tyranny. There have been exceptions - Joe McCarthy, for example - but their run tends to be comparatively brief.

Simply put, Dirk, life in the state of nature for which you yearn does not exist in any form other than the one Thomas Hobbes described more than 350 years ago as "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

There's a social contract, as Hobbes observed. And to think otherwise is to life in that perfect city, way up in the clouds, Aristophanes dubbed Cloud Cuckoo Land.

#44 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

The real question is should we fear...
#42 | Posted by Dirk

Check under your bed.

#45 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 08:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

is to life in = is to live in

#46 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 08:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

You seem to harken to some sort of at least mildly bucolic state of nature, a pastoral wonderland in which the complex, interwoven ties of modern society are replaced by reverence for a Jeffersonian dream that didn't exit in even Jefferson's time.
#44 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-23 08:36 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Tell me doc....when was it you lost your soul?

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries. (read this three times so you really understand)
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

-John Lennon

#47 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

John Lennon? ROTFLMAO!

#48 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Tell me doc....when was it you lost your soul?"

Tell me, Dirk....when was it you lost your mind?

#49 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Simply put, Dirk, life in the state of nature for which you yearn does not exist in any form other than the one Thomas Hobbes described more than 350 years ago as "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."
#44 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-23 08:36 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

You need therapy!

#50 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Misery loves company- doc sarvis

#51 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

You need therapy!
#50 | Posted by Dirk

Misery loves company
#51 | Posted by Dirk

Sorry, Dirk, but three's a crowd: I'm not interested in attending your therapy session.

#52 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's been real and it's been fun....but it hasn't been real fun!....off to the salt mines!

And doc try to get through the day without wrapping your lips around the barrel of a shotgun.

#53 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not the one living in swirl of delusion, Dirk.

Give the psychiatrist my best and tell him to keep his back to the wall.

#54 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

off to the salt mines!
#53 | Posted by Dirk

First time I've heard El Pollo Loco referred to as a "salt mine."

#55 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see your Hobbes and raise you a Locke.

#56 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at 2012-02-23 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

PS. I took you for more of a Rousseau kind of fellow, Doc.

#57 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at 2012-02-23 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Simply put, Dirk, life in the state of nature for which you yearn does not exist in any form other than the one Thomas Hobbes described more than 350 years ago as "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."
#44 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-23 08:36 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

All showered up and one last comment before I head out the door....

This message is as about as uplifting as a hangmans noose and if this is really how you feel about life in general you need to drastically improve your perception as it is your reality.

Compared to you Earnest Hemmingway sounds like a motivational speaker!

#58 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Earnest Hemmingway"
#58 | Posted by Dirk

Writes itself, kids, writes itself.

I think you've got Papa Hemingway confoozled with your guiding light, Ernest P. Worrell.

#59 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dirk, you really don't know what that phrase - "state of nature" - means or refers to, do you?

#60 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-23 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

"And that all men may be restrained from invading others' rights" John Locke

Unless of course that man wishes to drink unpasturizeurized milk. LOL

Gotta love the I Pad for going mobile ;). I'll check back in order to make sure you don't pervert anyone's interpretation in your quest for eternal misery among men.

#61 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-23 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

If it is unaltered,no hormones,the fact it is dangerous is a bunch of bull. I was raised on it,sometimes right out of the cow on the spot.We have been corrupted by the CDC and the EPA.If they don't give the thumbs up its bad.Come to think of it their track record isn't anything to shout about.

#62 | Posted by upyours7 at 2012-02-23 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was raised on it,sometimes right out of the cow on the spot.

He thought it was a bull =D

#63 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-23 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

If this thread has accomplished anything it's that I'm convinced of the necessity to try and catch Doc Sarvis' posts before I read them and just scroll past them and I don't even do that for Skippy Wellington

#64 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-23 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Disclaimer: Study paid for by the ADA.

#65 | Posted by CHICKENONGRILL at 2012-02-23 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Raw milk is perfectly safe, as long as you drink it straight from the teet.

#66 | Posted by nutcase at 2012-02-23 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Raw milk is perfectly safe, as long as you drink it straight from the teet.

#66 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2012-02-23 05:06 PM | REPLY | FLAG

And that's the problem. There's no safe way to scale that up. You cannot mass produce raw milk safely. Pasteurization solves that problem.

#67 | Posted by soheifox at 2012-02-23 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're free to consume whatever you want as long as it's Big Brother approved - freedom loving liberals

#68 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-24 01:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're free to consume whatever you want as long as it's Big Brother approved - freedom loving liberals.

You should chug a pint of unpasteurized milk every day in protest.

That'll show them pesky libs.

^__^

Be Well.

#69 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-02-24 01:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're free to consume whatever you want as long as it's Big Brother approved - freedom loving liberals.

You should chug a pint of unpasteurized milk every day in protest.

That'll show them pesky libs.

^__^

Be Well.

#70 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-02-24 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sure thing Spud if Sofia Vergara is lactating

#71 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-24 02:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

This milk scare is bullshit. It's intended to make people fear whole raw foods and scramble for their GMO artificially "safe" products. Period.

There are a lot of reasons to quit milk. If you are unable to digest it, or are allergic, or morally opposed it's probably not fair to claim it's safe for you whatsoever. Otherwise, raw whole milk is good. The fat is digestible, unlike the fractured lipospheres from homogenization which causes the entire digestive process discomfort. That and the hormones and antibiotics in particular are extremely dangerous to developing children. Ironically, when homogenization became popular they were advertising their milk as "easier to digest" - which is scientifically bullshit considering the consequences of the digestive disorders broken globules pose.

Homogenization today is usually a two step process. The first stage, similar to Gaulin's early device, pushes milk through small, tapered tubes or pores. As the diameter shrinks and the flow of milk remains constant, pressure builds up and fat globules break apart in the turbulence.

The higher the pressure, the smaller the particles. How much pressure? Typically 2,000-3,000 pounds per square inch (psi), although some super homogenizers work at over 1000 times atmospheric pressure- 14,500psi and higher!

You can jam milk through pretty small holes with force like that. Before homogenization, fat globules range in size from 1-10 microns (a micron = ~0.00004 inch). After, the size range is reduced to 0.2-2 microns.

As the much smaller fat globules begin to reassemble, they include fragments of whey and casein in their walls. Some are completely surrounded by a layer of protein. The tendency is for these new, chemically altered globules to clump together. Stage two of the homogenization process breaks up this unwanted assembly and makes sure everything stays in solution.

Some researchers believe that these protein-heavy fat globules can potentially increase homogenized milk's ability to cause allergic reactions. Numerous studies confirm this, at least with rodents as test subjects. Other known effects on milk quality include increased viscosity (the milk is thickened in consistency) whiter appearance, lowered heat stability, increased sensitivity to light-triggered oxidation and less pronounced milk flavor.

Homogenization usually follows pasteurization because the enzyme lipase, if not first heat deactivated, can begin digesting the ruptured fat globules, leading to rancidity in the milk. That's becoming less of a problem, however, because at the incredibly high pressures to which milk is now being subjected, very high heat is generated, resulting in what is, effectively, a second pasteurization process.

No milk but whole milk should be sold. All other milk is mutating the reproductive system because of the added hormones, hyper-agitating the immuno-response and is simply harder to digest. Period.

#72 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2012-02-24 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I heard that driving a car is really dangerous, and hundreds of thousands of people are injured and killed by it. Why don't we outlaw that, too? If people are too god damned stupid and irresponsible to choose to drink raw milk or not, then why the hell do we let them choose to get in 3000 lb steel death traps?

#73 | Posted by adammm at 2012-02-24 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better yet: Women should have the right to choose to abort living fetuses! But not to drink milk!

#74 | Posted by adammm at 2012-02-24 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#73 | Posted by adammm at 2012-02-24 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Art 4 Sec 2 Paragraph 7 Line 2 of the Social Contract clearly states that the serf must be able to transport themselves, at their own expense, to their place of employment so that tribute can be made to leviathan.

#75 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at 2012-02-24 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course! My mistake, I apologize.

#76 | Posted by adammm at 2012-02-24 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

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