Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, January 28, 2012

Eric Boehlert: Wannabe kingmaker Roger Ailes is facing an open revolt. More and more despondent conservatives are expressing alarm over the unfolding Republican primary season and what they see as the party's dwindling chances of defeating President Obama in November. ... If the current state of concern transforms into a larger, enveloping blame game, Fox News chairman Ailes ought be a looming target.

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True, conservatives in recent years have shown virtually no interest in critiquing, let alone trying to rein in, Ailes' empire. Still, it's becoming increasingly clear that Fox's programming and the radical, fear-based agenda it's setting for Republicans is now doing lasting damage to the Grand Old Party.

That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

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The one part of the entire article Darth doesn't post? Written by: Eric Boehlert, Senior Fellow for Media Matters.

How about asking writers, who are part of the right, what they think? Rather than give credit to those whose careers are centered on attacking it? Believe it or not, Rush is NOT the king of the Republican Party. Fox News is NOT the evil overlord of the GOP. Just like the left would hate to be told that they are all mindless fools following Ed Schultz and Jeff Immelt's leads, I don't appreciate it either. If you actually listen to talk radio, or watch Fox programming, you'd know that the hosts have very varied views, and though there is certainly an "establishment," it isn't any more powerful than a liberal one.

#1 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-27 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If you actually listen to talk radio, or watch Fox programming, you'd know that the hosts have very varied views, and though there is certainly an "establishment," it isn't any more powerful than a liberal one."

Laughable Adamm. The article is dead on, Fox has deligitimized conservatism, it has made real conservatives recognize that today's right wing is not really conservative as much as just anti-Obama.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-27 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fox News started off flawed to be honest in their business model. "Fair and Balanced yet with a Right Leaning Slant?" How can you be balanced yet leaning and how can you be fair with a slant?

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-01-27 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fox News is NOT the evil overlord of the GOP.

#1 | Posted by adammm

Really? Is it a surprise that the Pub front runner works for Fox? Who kept Newt in the public eye for the last 10 years?

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2012-01-27 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

If that's true, Danni, then it should also be true that the left's failure to roundly denounce Obama over Libya, the NDAA, deportation, and drone strikes "deligitmizes" liberalism.

But that's not true, because there are some that do denounce it. Just like some in Fox really are "fair and balanced", if you're not blinded by hatred when you look at it.

#5 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-27 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look- last election had about 130 million turnout- roughly 1/3 dems, 1/3 gopers. That's about 40 million "republicans." Fox has a viewership of about 2.3 million.

How would you like for me to find a liberal news orgainzation with only 5% viewership among Democrats, and claim they represent the party as a whole?

#6 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-27 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not going to argue with Danni's trub #2, but it does bring up an important question. Is it possible for someone like Danni who is polar opposite (or bi-polar) of a conservative understand Conservatives? I personally don't understand socialist at all. Their concepts are alien to me. For me to say CNN or MSNBC is hurting socialism would be insane. It's not my cup of tea, but if that the way your mind works, enjoy.

#7 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2012-01-27 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7, exactly right. It's the same as me saying "Al Sharpton is the king of liberals, and everything he says and does runs the entire Democratic Party."

#8 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-27 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm not going to argue with Danni's trub #2, but it does bring up an important question. Is it possible for someone like Danni who is polar opposite (or bi-polar) of a conservative understand Conservatives? I personally don't understand socialist at all. Their concepts are alien to me."

Your question reveals that actually you don't understand conservatism. You apparently believe Fox speaks for real conservatives instead of neocons and religious wackos. I understand conservatism, most of my family are conservatives but they are not dumb enough to think Fox News expresses what they think. To me and them, conservatives are more like Eisenhower than like today's Republicans. No real conservative would have supported Reagan or Bush, no real conservative would have slashed taxes and pretended "deficits don't matter." No real conservative would ever have invaded two countries and slashed taxes at the same time.
Conservatism stood for fiscal responsibility but Republicans have not stood for that for decades, Clinton was actually more conservative than the liars who call themselves conservatives today.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-27 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's the same as me saying "Al Sharpton is the king of liberals, and everything he says and does runs the entire Democratic Party."

#8 | Posted by adammm

If you could point to a case where Al Sharpton has as many viewers as Hannity or Beck, or if you could show where the Liberal-on-the-street is parroting Sharpton's talking points, you'd have a case.

#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2012-01-27 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

but Al Sharpton tied for MSNBC’s ratings lead on Monday night in the 25-54 year old demo, pulling in 191,000 viewers at his 6 p.m. time slot. Ed Schultz, who goes on air at 8 p.m., tied Sharpton’s demo numbers (while beating him in the overall ratings, 877,000 to 830,000).


Dunno Beck's audience yet....gimme a few.

#11 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-01-27 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Still can't find Beck, but Hannity is double Sharpton's ratings, but Hannity is on a 9pm and Sharpton at 6. Could be a contributing factor.

tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com

#12 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-01-27 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:


Is it possible for someone like Danni who is polar opposite (or bi-polar) of a conservative understand Conservatives?

#7 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2012-01-27 01:44 PM

You sound like those whiny feminists who claim men shouldn't make films or write books about women.

#13 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2012-01-27 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

The numbers dont matter Kan. Out of 50 million people, the percentages are both miniscule- the point I'm trying to make. For all the "FOX is evil they control the republicans blah blah blah" talk, it's just not accurate.

#14 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-27 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you could point to a case where Al Sharpton has as many viewers as Hannity or Beck, or if you could show where the Liberal-on-the-street is parroting Sharpton's talking points, you'd have a case.

How about if all Liberals wore track suits, the way all Conservatives (and all Presidents) must wear that inane flag lapel pin?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2012-01-27 06:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

For all the "FOX is evil they control the republicans blah blah blah" talk, it's just not accurate.

Roger Ailes is the head of Fox News.
Roger Ailes was the media guy for Nixon, Reagan, and W.
A Republican operative controls Fox.
That's 100% accurate.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2012-01-27 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fox News is NOT the evil overlord of the GOP.

#1 | Posted by adammm

Best have a friend check and see if you have a Fucs Snoozer attached to your head.

A Fucs Snoozer

--similar to the Brain Slugs in Futurama, which are small, parasitic aliens who attach themselves to the heads of otherwise intelligent beings and control them.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-27 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by kanrei
Fox News started off flawed to be honest in their business model. "Fair and Balanced yet with a Right Leaning Slant?" How can you be balanced yet leaning and how can you be fair with a slant?
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Fox is number one in the ratings, so if their business model is flawed, it's not showing up in the ratings.

#18 | Posted by 90c2cab at 2012-01-28 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Fox is number one in the ratings, so if their business model is flawed, it's not showing up in the ratings.

#18 | Posted by 90c2cab at 2012

Using that standard, there was never anything wrong with PT Barnum's business model, either. Barnum made money, the rubes were entertained, and everyone was happy.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2012-01-28 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Propaganda is a successful method. Furthermore studies have shown that, on average, lower intelligence children grow up to be conservatives. Combine them with the rich people that produce the propaganda to enrich themselves and you have a viable American Political Party. The Rethuglicans enjoy a large base of poor Southern White people easily exploited with the race card. Keep in mind that Clinton was able to win with only 30% of eligible voters. Throw in computerized vote rigging, and all the other election time cheating Rethuglicans have mastered, like fake felon lists and making black people stand in line for eight hours to vote and you have a winning strategy. Attwater and Rove have proven this works.

#20 | Posted by nutcase at 2012-01-28 09:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

How would you like for me to find a liberal news orgainzation with only 5% viewership among Democrats, and claim they represent the party as a whole?

#6 | Posted by adammm

These are all good questions Adam12. But you miss the point.

It's not the political slantiness that is a problem. It's not even the right-wingeyness.

It's the tent revival mentality that is a problem. Like religion, I can make any claim I want, whether true or not, whether i have evidence or not, because the lord is on my side. Extreme paranoia, whackiness and prosylitizing can be overlooked, if I am doing 'god's work'.

You wanna see a list of holdings that will make your head swim? look at this; News Corp - wikipedia

Fox news is a small part of an empire that can afford to have a whole network devoted to the neo-con, evangelical ideology. ultimately, it is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

I used to think that only stupid people watched fox news and followed the glenn beck philosophy. But then i discovered some otherwise intelligent people slurping it up too. so it's not stupidity, it's something else that attracts these people.

The only commonality I can find is that almost all of them feel unhappy and unenlightened, dissassociated, disconnected. And they feel that way for good reason....it's true.

But like the line goes, 'They like both kinds of music, country and western'.

#21 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2012-01-28 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Roger Ailes is the head of Fox News.
Roger Ailes was the media guy for Nixon, Reagan, and W."

Ailes proposed GOP TV to President Nixon as a propaganda arm of the GOP, it wasn't done at the time because they didn't have the money to do it but then along came Rupert Murdoch who had the money to create it though they changed the name to Fox News.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-28 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no republican party any longer, it is just a different branch of the same Big Government Party that all the Dems belong to.

But don't listen to me, here is a Fox News host who told the truth to John Stewart.

www.thedailyshow.com

#23 | Posted by Anon451 at 2012-01-28 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no republican party any longer, it is just a different branch of the same Big Government Party that all the Dems belong to.

#23 | Posted by Anon451

Hmmmm. Then the GOP wouldn't mind surrendering.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2012-01-28 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"There is no republican party any longer, it is just a different branch of the same Big Government Party that all the Dems belong to."

This message brought to you by the Republican Party.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-28 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Huffington Post as a source on the Republican Party's demise????????

WOW!

Fair and Balanced, it's not.

PS: What Fox programs does Danni watch to form her anti-Fox opinions? I have a hunch Danni just regurgitates Huffington Post and MSNBC's (she's probably one of the four people that watch that channel) stuff and does not even know what channel Fox is on.

#26 | Posted by 3853177z at 2012-01-28 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dammi / Zed : Did Obama end the war in Iraq in the first year? Has he closed Gitmo? Has he ended the war in Afgan? Has he made student loans cheaper or eliminated them? He has a health care bill but were is it (not till 2014)? Did he shut off Tarp? Did he bail out GM? Is bringing the Jobs home?

All of the no answers would be the same if McCain had gotten elected. You voted for hope and change, you got neither just more of the same.

If the Repugs are able to elect either Mittens or Nyet it will not change from what Obama is doing, it will be just more of the same with minor changes on the edges.

Paul is old and tends to meander when he speaks. He is not aggressive on the stage. But the message is right if not the guy caring it.

#27 | Posted by Anon451 at 2012-01-28 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

How/why isn't Fox news considered to be part of the 'mainstream' media? They are the highest ranked cable news network with most of the hosted shows topping other network shows.

#28 | Posted by jogi at 2012-01-28 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Dammi / Zed : Did Obama end the war in Iraq in the first year?

No, and he never said he would. He actually did it exactly as he said he would.

Has he closed Gitmo?

Congress made that impossible because they made it illegal to bring those prisoners into the US.

Has he ended the war in Afgan?

Of course not, he told us in his campaign that he intended to send more troops to Afghanistan and try to win it. I think now that he has tried to realistically win there it will be more palatable for Americans to leave there without victory.

Has he made student loans cheaper or eliminated them?

The idea that Mr. "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" would have done the same things as Obama is ridiculous. We would have already started bombing Iran had McCain been elected.

He has made them cheaper by taking over student loans from the banks, now some in Congress are trying to double the interest rates though.

The idea of eliminating them is repulsive and Obama agrees with that.

He has a health care bill but were is it (not till 2014)?

It's being phased in, right now many benefits are helping people and the costs are being brought down with the 80/20% rule.

Did he shut off Tarp?

Yes and most of the money has been repaid.

Did he bail out GM?

Yes and now it is the largest auto maker in the world.

Is bringing the Jobs home?

Manufacturing is the fastest growing sector of the economy.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-28 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

To pretend that Mr. "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" McCain would have done the same things is ridiculous. We would have already have bombed Iran by now with disastrous consequences both in the ME and at home. We elected the right guy.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-28 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Adamm I'm shocked to see you support Fox News. I thought you were a Ron Paul supporter. Anything that comes from Fox, and I do watch Fox News regularly, has been on the express train to war with Iran and keep Ron Paul the hell out of there.

It's sickening to watch, honestly, a lot of what they say is just drivel. It makes me sick because the hosts on Fox News are smart people and they are bending to the will of these asshats in charge. The real tipping point for me was when Chris Wallace started ticking off the "top tier" candidates after the straw poll. Those being Romney, Perry and Bachman... oh but wait Ron Paul came in 2nd place for the straw poll.

Fox News has a war agenda and they try to make anyone that goes against that look like the lunatic.

#31 | Posted by captjimmyjames at 2012-01-28 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

My problem with TARP and the Bailouts is that they should have never happened. Obama supported or participated in it and it was very obviously a nice hand out to corporate America. Every company that was bailed out should have been allowed to fail. Fuck them. But instead we're still floundering around with these assholes and they are still doing the same shit they did before.

They won't even help people that are now upside down in their mortgages because of the shady practices they used to create and collapse a huge bubble.

Obama hired on a ton of lobbyists when he swore he would not. He failed to take charge when he had total control of the government. It took a YEAR to push through health care. Danni I'm not sure what yer talking about health care costs coming down. That's totally bogus. Health Care plans for workers are going up across the board. I started at a new company almost a year ago and the costs of health care for my family went up around 50%.

#32 | Posted by captjimmyjames at 2012-01-28 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama hired on a ton of lobbyists when he swore he would not. He failed to take charge when he had total control of the government. It took a YEAR to push through health care. Danni I'm not sure what yer talking about health care costs coming down. That's totally bogus."

State of Florida, health insurance companies are going to have to return $145 million dollars to inidvidual policy holders because of overcharging under the 80/20 rule. That constitutes a net price reduction for these people.
Obama has done something sneaky during the past three years, he kept promises and actually did do his best to help the American people against his opposition who really don't give a rat's ass about the American people.
We elected the right guy.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-28 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"My problem with TARP and the Bailouts is that they should have never happened. Obama supported or participated in it and it was very obviously a nice hand out to corporate America."

TARP had to happen, you couldn't allow thousands of retirement funds and insurance companies to go belly up. Where we went wrong was in allowing the shareholders to lose no value and the executives to keep their jobs. We bail out banks all the time, it's called FDIC. We should have followed the same procedures as we always do for commercial banks. If you recall there was a rant on the floor of the Commodities Exchange and a whole lot of people were out in the streets screaming "socialist." They won in the court of public opinion and the new government under Obama let it happen. Who knows what would have happened had he not, tempers were very short in that moment due to the huge losses most people were seeing in their home equity and in their 401Ks. We were very close to being a nation in panic and it would likely have been the spark that caused real riots had he "nationalized" the banks just as we always do commercial banks.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-28 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Laughable Adamm. The article is dead on, Fox has deligitimized conservatism, it has made real conservatives recognize that today's right wing is not really conservative as much as just anti-Obama.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2012

oh puuuulease.....my blogging friend here is being as silly as the article itself....

look at this thread for what was intended...a way to assault conservatives and fox at the same time. and we on the right arent about to accept a definition of conservative from such a rapid liberal as danni girl from the sunshine state...

and look.....you ended with the one thing that unites us all...from the most rino(y) moderate to the most trailor park cousin loving redneck..ending the riegn of obama is the number one goal..PERIOD STOP !!!!!!

#35 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2012-01-28 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

RAPID????? what the hell is a "RAPID" liberal...

I guess maybe the word is RABID...

geesh..damn sticky keyboard..

#36 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2012-01-28 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni:

Maybe you didn't notice or the people around you didn't really suffer... but almost everyone I know is way under water on their home. ANd retirement accounts lost up to 60-70%. Everything went into the toilet anyway. Now we still have crap debt that's hanging around and now it's dragging all the other banks down with it.

People cry about how evil capitalism is. News flash.. it's not. Crony Capitalism is evil. Not letting the system work the way it's supposed to work is evil. To try and say the world would have ended....? Then why the hell would they let Lehman Brothers tank but save the others? Answer: It was a planned Corporate Raiding of the American Tax Payer Corporation... we got fucked and Obama was a willing participant. Accept it. Own it. Lets change things to make it right.

#37 | Posted by captjimmyjames at 2012-01-28 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2012-01-28 11:17 AM | REPLY | FLAG: Rabid and Vapid.

Be Well.

/See, Spud made ya learn a new word.

#38 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-28 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

To me and them, conservatives are more like Eisenhower than like today's Republicans.
#9 | POSTED BY DANNI

The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Dwight D. Eisenhower (1954)
www.eisenhowermemorial.org

#39 | Posted by fribo at 2012-01-28 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"More and more despondent conservatives are expressing alarm over the unfolding Republican primary season and what they see as the party's dwindling chances of defeating President Obama in November".

Who are these people he is speaking of?

#40 | Posted by glasshouse at 2012-01-28 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Probably all the people that see two asshats shredding each other to pieces and turning these debates into cat fights. Fricking childish crap. Neither Gingrich or Romney are really all that strong of a candidate for different reasons. Both are trying to shed their history like it's not going to be an issue in the upcoming general.... but they bicker and give people reasons the other guy sucks rather than why they really should be the nominee.

And for Christ's sake... stop invoking Reagan ... neither of these assholes is going to live up to the Legend that has become Reagan so give it a rest already.

#41 | Posted by captjimmyjames at 2012-01-28 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

See, Spud made ya learn a new word.

#38 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01

actually I invented one on another thread

"rinoey"....

#42 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2012-01-28 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Adamm I'm shocked to see you support Fox News. I thought you were a Ron Paul supporter.

#31 | Posted by captjimmyjames

I generally don't like fox, but I REALLY don't like unfair attacks that generalize people. Neil Cavuto and Judge Napalitano are diehard cheerleaders for Ron Paul, and also part of Fox- you can't just say "Fox in its entirety is bad" because it leaves out credit where credit is due.

And seriously- watching the debates, I truly think Fox was by far the most fair to Paul, CBS the least.

#43 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-28 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

43 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-28 12:29 PM

Think about that, one is a money guy who is concerned about the debt and the other really takes on the personnal liberity abusers.

Now I wonder why they should support Paul.

#44 | Posted by Anon451 at 2012-01-28 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fox has it's good points... but those points are often drowned out by the people that call Ron Paul "CRAZY UNCLE RON" or laugh at him or dismiss him.

That is the majority of Fox News. They don't want him becuase he flies in the face of what is now considered the GOP "establishment".... more like the GOP espionage team that has been twisting what conservative means for so long.

Republicans are no longer Republicans ... they are some twisted visage of pseudo conservatism talking points that have a complete opposite action.

#45 | Posted by captjimmyjames at 2012-01-28 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really- Napolitano on Fox does more for civil liberties than all other news orgnaizations put together, and yet Fox gets ridiculed and attacked day in and day out. Where's the outrage over the Patriot Act, the TSA, NDAA, the WoD, on liberal outlets? (Answer: there is none).

#46 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-28 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#45- and Democrats are no longer Democrats- just some twisted visage of war hawks and power hungry nanny-state fascists parading around as champions of liberty.

#47 | Posted by adammm at 2012-01-28 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect the reason that the MSM and FOX refers to Dr Paul as that Crazy Guy is that he wants to return the US to the Gold standard after they do an inventory on Ft Knox. They know as most of you know (if you would be honest with yourself's) Is that the price of gold in US dollars would jump from $1700.00 and ounce to some crazy number like $170,000.00 an ounce. China would then have to decouple from the dollar and WalMart would go out of business almost overnight. Talk about jobs and AgrGro coming back into the US in huge amounts. As we would become the new China. Of course noone would be traveling overseas as we could not afford it. You money people need to think this all the way through. If the average cost of items made here did not rise in cost and imports shot up to the roof and salary's here stayed somewhat the same, what would that do for America. We would have to use our own oil and not purchase from overseas.

#48 | Posted by Anon451 at 2012-01-28 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

the Gold standard

Worst. Idea. EVAR.

Aside from his occasional racist statement Paul's biggest problem is that he is seen, rightfully, as a crank because of his wing-nutty view on this.

Pandora's box opened so long ago closing it now is well neigh impossible.

Be Well.

#49 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-28 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.youtube.com

Yeah SPUD I suspect you are right and the above ad is but a glimps into our future.

#50 | Posted by Anon451 at 2012-01-28 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah SPUD I suspect you are right and the above ad is but a glimps into our future.

Spud loves that ad.

So very, very RON PAUL!

Especially liked the part where the Chinese lecturer guy is talking about how part of America's downfall was "electing the same bad politicians over and over" and we cut to netbook displaying a picture of Rick Perry.

Spud was reading sommat a little while ago about Apple and how they went from manufacturing all their stuff in the US back in 90 to where they are today. Which is to say where they have now employed 700 thousand Chinese (contracted workers but lets not split hairs here) but only 43,000 Americans and aside from the whole "Their workers have no rights and can made to do their work standing in the same spot for 18 hours at a stretch without bathroom breaks 6 days a week while doing the same tasks over and over at break neck speed and if they suicide we got a million more just like them waiting for the low paid gig" thing Apple exec's said that it was the supply chain that fed the business that was actually more important and how China had now surpassed the US there in terms of utility and scale.

The entire supply chain is in China now," said another former high-ranking Apple executive. "You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That's the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours."

www.nytimes.com

Depressing read but worth the bandwidth.

Be Well.

#51 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-28 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

You sound like those whiny feminists who claim men shouldn't make films or write books about women.

#13 | POSTED BY DARTHCHENEY AT 2012-01-27 04:33 PM Hates women

#52 | Posted by glasshouse at 2012-01-28 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

What hole do these disgusting maggots crawl out of?

Do people actually get paid for writing such moronic drivel?

#53 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-28 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I personally don't understand socialist at all. Their concepts are alien to me.

Given that I doubt you have met a socialist, or actually know what their policies are, why aren't we surprised. You're just one of the FOXITES who believe anybody who doesn't worship mammonism, or who takes Jesus' message seriously, is a socialist. And, for the record, and as an example, government healthcare, which Obamacare or Rmoneycare aren't, ain't socialist. Ask Maggie Thatcher, Merkel, Nuttyahoo or any of the current crop of conservative leaders whose countries have national government run health care which conservatives wouldn't change.

#54 | Posted by northguy3 at 2012-01-28 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

What hole do these disgusting maggots crawl out of?

Either your anus or your urinary duct, Rex. Do you find them when you pee, or when you scratch your ass? Or maybe neither, and they are just part of your DTs.

#55 | Posted by northguy3 at 2012-01-28 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

That doesn't even make any sense Nurfquaff.

#56 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-28 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

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.....every democratic country has fringe political parties that can only garner limited voter appeal at election time......
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.....the Repubs took a big chance when they allied with Ailes, they hoped that the propaganda deluge would move the center of American politics to the right......and it has to a limited effect.....

....but....the hard pull to the right resulted in the emergence of the Extreme Right as the natural center of the Republican Party, a role legitimized by Fox.....but antithetical to centrist American values.....

..........they misjudged........and now, the intellectual center of their party is situated with voters like Goat, ExpsR, Glasshouse, Vern, Sniper and Chairborne.......

.......with brain-power like that doing the choosing.....their lineup of unappealing nominees is not surprising........

#57 | Posted by skizziks at 2012-01-29 06:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have said for years that talk radio controls the GOP..., and I have traditionally been a GOP voter. I even own both of a Rush's books! FOX is pretty much in the same boat, but at least they have some counterbalance with Juan Williams, Mara Liason and Bob Beckel. However, the general theme of a typical news days on Fox is to taint the Obama administration. The most energized voters are those that listen to Fox or talk radio. What happens is that Rush tells listeners that Republicans like Dick Lugar, Alan Simpson, Lincoln Chafee (and the like) are not real Republicans. The base (without thinking it through) gets all fired up and seeks to oust those who might be more moderate. Suddenly, you have nominees arguing over who is more Reagan like to carry the conservative agenda forward. The huge irony being that Reagan would be a relatively moderate Republican in today's GOP, since he raised taxes more times than cutting them, appointed moderates to Supreme Court and granted amnesty to millions of illegals. However, you now have a party that simply won't tolerate any viewpoint that might be counter to what Fox and talk radio is spewing.

Unfortunately, the GOP has ousted most Moderates...causing them to become Independents. Independents are truly the Masters of the Universe and will control general elections for decades to come. I chuckle when Rush belittles moderates or Independents because they have no core convictions. No Rush, we just realize that you and your kind are just brilliant businessmen...telling your listeners exactly what they want to hear so that you can bank millions every year. The smartest people I know are generally pragmatic. They consider a variety of viewpoints before making decisions. There is no Pragmatism in the GOP. Also, this is NOT an endorsement of the Dems either. They aren't much better.

#58 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2012-01-29 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

^ you're right. The dems aren't MUCH better. But they're better.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2012-01-29 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Articles like this comfort me.
It confirms the threat FOX poses to the Left.
I'd wager there are 10 articles warning people about Fox for every 1 article making fun of MSNBC.

#60 | Posted by libertarian_gi at 2012-01-29 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

^ And I'd wager Fox's agenda is 10 times more destructive to the average american than MSNBC's agenda. THAT"S why people hate your network.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2012-01-30 01:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

It confirms the threat FOX poses to the Left.
#60 | Posted by libertarian_gi

.....it also confirms, if you actually read the article, what a threat Fox poses to the right......

......the Republicans have been split into two distinct voting blocks, and that only helps the Democrats......

.......Fox has set the stage for the emergence of a libertarian or teabagger party, which will siphon the Repub votes from the far right........

#62 | Posted by skizziks at 2012-01-30 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

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