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For the first time, researchers say they have clear evidence that abstinence education works -- a new study released Monday in Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. The study of sixth and seventh graders taught sex education found two years later that 50 percent of those taught safe sex were having sex, while 33 percent of those taught abstinence were.

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What is your opinion about the best way to teach sex education?

Abstinence only, 1 votes (4.17%)
Abstinence should not be mentioned at all, 0 votes (0%)
Abstinence should be presented as an option as well as safe sex alternatives, 23 votes (95.83%)

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I am not a social/religious conservative so I have no problem with young adulst being taught to take precaustions if they must have sex. I just thought this article would generate controversy so that is why I posted it.

I can agree, early teenagers should be encouraged to not have sex, but statistically speaking, 1/3 of the abstinence only kids still went on to have sex.

They need to get the information from someone and it sure isn't going to be their parents. So I still think it should be presented as a, "This is what you SHOULD be doing".... "This is why you should.... "

Hey, I am all for keeping it in the pants until both parties are responsible enough to practice safe sex.

The problem is that while abstinence only does work to an extent, teaching it as the only acceptable method of birth control is like learning to drive in reverse only.

This doesn't sound to me like abstinence-only education but is more of a comprehensive sex ed. They may not have talked about condoms, and to that I would like to know what % of the kids from each class practiced safe sex, but they did talk about the other things that I associated with comprehensive education. That involves getting the kids to think about their actions and consider the consequences and not just some moral white and black situation.

All jokes and sniping aside, is there anyone that posts here that wasn't aware that fucking can result in Aids, pregnancy, or an STD?
Honestly, how fucking stupid does one have to be to not know that? My parents tried to talk to me and I literally told them "I learned the birds and the bees from listening to the other kids riding the bus to school".

Hell, I'm sure I, like most of you, carried a rubber in my wallet thinking "You never know when the chance to bang a chick will arise" even though at the time I was a virgin without any real prospects.

I just can't believe abstinence only or sex ed even need to be "taught" or that there would even be enough material to discuss it for more than 10 minutes.

Some people are just fucking stupid. They are generally poor, and prone to making tons of other bad decisions. No amount of coddling can fix that kind of stupid.

#5

"I just can't believe abstinence only or sex ed even need to be "taught" or that there would even be enough material to discuss it for more than 10 minutes."


"Some people are just fucking stupid... No amount of coddling can fix that kind of stupid."

...Irony Flag...

Did it take longer than 10 minutes for you to figure out that your boyfriend needed to wear a buck-skin rubber?

Hell, I'm sure I, like most of you, carried a rubber in my wallet thinking "You never know when the chance to bang a chick will arise" even though at the time I was a virgin without any real prospects.


last week?

'Carried a condome in my wallet'...where after 3 days of your considerable ass grinding on it became totally useless due to rubber fatigue.
Nobody taught you that? And you still believe a condom in your wallet thats been under weight distress for months or years will be effective?
And that there is nothing more to know?

Who said anything about 3 days, months, or years? Oh, you did because you can't come up with a reason to justify "sex ed" training.

Only a retard would think a baby or an std is a good thing. Only a retard wouldn't know that fucking sans protection can result in both. Who needs to be told that?

Sarah Palin's kids.

So they are all retards then, not only the youngest one?!

So says 101.

Only a retard would think a baby or an std is a good thing. Only a retard wouldn't know that fucking sans protection can result in both. Who needs to be told that?

And some wonder why others think the majority of people in this country are retarded.

Unfortunately there are many many many people who need to be told both of those things.


So they are all retards then, not only the youngest one?!

#12 | Posted by member2586 at 2010-02-03 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hahahahha! Awful, I love it!

Who needs to be told that?

#10 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Since I've lived in Newark, NJ I think the Family Feud survey would say: DING!!! Black people!

Who needs to be told that?

#10 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

I hear Florida Teenagers had trouble with the concept.

www.clickorlando.com

Fla. Teens Believe Drinking Bleach Will Prevent HIV
Some Teens Also Believe Mountain Dew Will Stop Pregnancy

POSTED: Wednesday, April 2, 2008
UPDATED: 3:34 pm EDT April 4, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Florida teens who believe drinking a cap of bleach will prevent HIV and a shot of Mountain Dew will stop pregnancy have prompted lawmakers to push for an overhaul of sex education in the state.

Another myth is that Florida teens also believe that smoking marijuana will prevent a person from getting pregnant, Local 6 reported.

State lawmakers said the myths are spreading because of Florida's abstinence-only sex education, Local 6 reported.

I have been actively trying to spread that last rumor.

State lawmakers said the myths are spreading because of Florida's abstinence-only sex education, Local 6 reported.

They're saying drinking bleach and smoking weed to prevent a pregnancy is in the sex ed curriculum?

They're saying drinking bleach and smoking weed to prevent a pregnancy is in the sex ed curriculum?

#19 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

No... they are saying the Abstinence-Only curriculum was so piss poor that the students actually think these urban legends are true.

Another myth is that Florida teens also believe that smoking marijuana will prevent a person from getting pregnant, Local 6 reported.

Posted by donnerboy
I'd like an expert opinion. Null!

they are saying the Abstinence-Only curriculum was so piss poor that the students actually think these urban legends are true.

#20 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

But what does that have to do with abstinence education?

Abstinence means you don't have sex. Thinking you can take out your fetus by kicking back shots of bleach just means you're a fucking moron.

The colored girls aren't going to throw back a cup a bleach and fuck up their do's if they miss.

Abstinence means you don't have sex. Thinking you can take out your fetus by kicking back shots of bleach just means you're a fucking moron.

#22 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

well, of course, they are morons! And of course Abstinence works! But is teaching abstinence enough? Don't you need both sides of the story? If you don't teach about safe sex then how can teenagers protect themselves if they DO have sex.

Apparently teenagers will have sex whether you talk about it with them or not. Even Chairpoodles can figure that one out. It is a fine line we walk in giving our teenagers too much information on any subject. They can and will use it. Like teaching your teenager about hunting and guns. I bet if you don't teach them hunting or ever let them shoot a gun then 33% of them don't become hunters and have hunting "accidents" much but I bet gun "accidents" still occur when they do encounter a gun "in the wild".

Thinking you can take out your fetus by kicking back shots of bleach just means you're a fucking moron.

You take out the fetus by taking out the host.

You take out the fetus by taking out the host.

Great strategy. The ultimate in pro-active birth control, and it's the only one shy of abstinence that is 100% effective


Sarah Palin's kids.

#11 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2010-02-03 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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So they are all retards then, not only the youngest one?!

#12 | Posted by member2586

Not all of them are retards, some are sluts or junkies.

"Science proves abstinence only education works."

Libs claim to believe in science until it conflicts with one of their "progressive" religious beliefs.

Abstinence works, but so does a coat hanger if it doesn't. -The Left

Abstinence works, but so does a coat hanger if it doesn't. -The Left

We'd prefer you use a coat hanger instead of terminating the pregnancy under sanitary conditions.
-The Right

I asked you to stop, Carrot Top.


I can agree, early teenagers should be encouraged to not have sex, but statistically speaking, 1/3 of the abstinence only kids still went on to have sex.


#2 | Posted by greeneyedguy

This is not conclusive. Were these kids completely isolated from other kids in the school for 2 years? Were they kept from watch television? music?

Let's convolute a basic reality of human nature to justify throwing money at it.

The study found a third of the kids told not to have sex did it anyways. It's nice that science confirms that children will act childishly. ie without regard for consequences to self or others.

Sex ed is so effective because if kids will do what they are told not to they will at least do it how they were told.

Hmm, so when you steal a car buckle up!

I wouldn't mind abstinence being taught if two other things were:

1- If those horny feelings get to be too much, that is what masturbation is for.

2- If you change your mind about abstinence and branch out beyond masturbation, you need to use a condom. Any act, any position, any orifice, any time of month, either sex.

As they used to say at Kitty Hawk: "It'll never fly, Orville."

1- If those horny feelings get to be too much, that is what masturbation is for.


but they don't want to go blind...

LOL

"The False Gospel of Liberalism"
"In this gospel, liberals find both an intellectually plausible explanation for their unhappiness and psychological relief from knowing that they are now on the side of the angels.

How can liberalism an egregiously false and destructive worldview be so wildly popular? Granted, some oddballs are attracted to an idea because it's false and destructive, but most liberals are basically normal people. How can tens of millions of regular Joes and Janes be so enthusiastic about legitimizing homosexuality, killing unborn babies and flooding America with unassimilable and hostile foreigners?

A partial answer is that Americans are surrounded from cradle to grave by liberal indoctrination."

www.intellectualconservative.c
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And we have heard for years that not "hooking up" does not prevent pregnancies or STD's but a pill and latex does.

This is the FIRST study I've seen that supports the teaching of abstinence as the primary focus of sex education. There have been plenty of studies that show just the opposite is true. You recall the study that showed that kids who were thought abstinence thought that it meant simply having vaginal sex, so they were engaging in other, riskier sexual activities. Besides, this wasn't exactly a resounding victory for the abstinence crowd, one third of the abstinence kids still had sex. While half of the regular sex ed kids had sex. What wasn't covered in the article was, and maybe because it was written from a pro-abstinence perspective; did the sex ed kids use safe sex practices? Did the abstinence kids even know what safe sex practices were?

I believe that most liberals have no qualms with the teaching of abstinence as the best option. The major turn-off toward abstinence education is with the moralistic/religious overtones that most of those push on kids. By making sex wrong, dirty, forbidden they manage to make some kids more interested, and I figure they ruin others toward sex for life. I think most liberals will tell you that we are most concerned that the 33% from this study know how to protect themselves from STD's and unwanted pregnancy. Most kids who go through abstinence education programs have no idea how to protect themselves if and when they do decide to have sex.

There is no discussion.

Sex outside of marriage is fornication and will cause eternal separation from being a nice guy forever.

Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication - Fornication -
Look it up, its a real word, it means the crime of sex outside of marriage.

Sin.
BAD BOY.
NO NO
UH UH.
Naughty naughty

Hey dummies, teaching about abstinence doesn't mean you don't teach about sex.

Encouraging young people that it's OK to screw as much as you want as long as you use a condom is like telling them to drive as fast as they want as long as they use a seat belt.

Fortunately, most kids are smart enough to see how idiotic that is, when given the choice.

Encouraging young people that it's OK to screw as much as you want as long as you use a condom is like telling them to drive as fast as they want as long as they use a seat belt.

Who tells them "it's ok to screw as much as you want"?

Fortunately, most kids are smart enough to see how idiotic that is, when given the choice.

Man I hope you don't have kids. You seem rather...uh....naive.

How can tens of millions of regular Joes and Janes be so enthusiastic about legitimizing homosexuality, killing unborn babies and flooding America with unassimilable and hostile foreigners?

First, normalizing gay folks into society is a good thing. Not recognizing their essential humanity and civil rights is unjustifiable. How can a religion that's allegedly about peace and love legitimize hate and intolerance?

Second, nobody is "enthusiastic" about "killing babies". That noted of course people are fired up about keeping abortion safe and legal. Abortion is always a tragedy even when it's the right decision. The only thing worse than keeping abortion legal is pushing it underground as we've seen in the not so distant past.

Finally, most lefties are as appalled at the insane numbers of illegal immigrants in the US as RWers are. The main difference between the two parties on that issue is that Dems see the notion of kicking them all out as unworkable.

On Topic?

This is an interesting outlier study.

All previous studies on this subject came to the same conclusions. Mostly the previous studies indicated that not only were abstinence only sex ed kids as likely to have sex as kids taught in a actual sex ed classes but they were more likely to do so without the use of condoms. They are also more likely to indulge in anal sex.

This study doesn't seem to indicate wot percentage of kids in both groups practised safe sex which seems kinda important.

/DNRTFA

Be Well.

ask 10 teenagers if they are having sex.

you will get 'no' answers mostly.

they will be lying.

study garbage.

From "NEW 'ABSTINENCE-ONLY' STUDY IS MISLEADING"

While abstinence-only advocates are celebrating their self-described victory,' it's important to pay attention to a few key details of this study that liberals and conservatives alike seem to be leaving out.

The study presented looks at abstinence-focused education, not the traditional abstinence-only education that has been proved to fail for years.

"It did not take a moralistic tone, as many abstinence programs do. Most notably, the sessions encouraged children to delay sex until they are ready, not necessarily until married; did not portray sex outside marriage as never appropriate; and did not disparage condoms." The Washington Post

This study operated much like a lot of comprehensive sexual education programs do today tell students not to have sex until they're ready, but if they do to use condoms. While the abstinence-focused class didn't hand out condoms to students, it didn't cast them in a negative light either.

"There is no data in this study to support the abstain until marriage' programs, which research proved ineffective during the Bush administration," said James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth.

Another detail many seem to ignore is that the second group of students is in a safer sex-only class. This class emphasizes condom use and does not promote abstinence. Most comprehensive classes taught today emphasize abstinence first, condoms later. The second group of students were placed in a class that is not likely to be found in many educational institutions.

The Obama administration is planning to launch a $114 pregnancy prevention initiative for programs that have been proven to work through research. The administration says a program like this one could be eligible for funding.

The question is- is this any different than what we've been trying to teach so far?
blog.su-spectator.com

Actually this study doesn't really bolster the traditional abstinence-only sex ed. program since this program also wasn't afraid to address condom use, and it didn't preach to wait until marriage.

"Man I hope you don't have kids. You seem rather...uh....naive."

Naive, hell.

Disney's just flat fucking stupid.

Ok, so: 50% are having SAFE sex after being taught sex ed.

...and 33% are having sex after being taught abstanance.

So, how many of those 33% are having SAFE sex? That is the real question. When it comes to my children I'd rather up the odds of them having sex by 17% if I was sure it was SAFE sex. That is the key and the piece it seems this little study glosses right over.

Fail! Thanks for playing, try again later.

Libs are naive if they think these kids need to learn about how to put condoms on cucumbers. Many inner city girls want to get pregnent so they can move out and collect their own check from Uncle Sugar. In some communities it is over 75% out of wedlock births. Oh I forgot, libs are proud of that statistic because they created the welfare program that caused it.

Yep abstinence has a great track record. It works VERY well for the church.

"Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers" so to speak.

But people honestly think that teens are going to pick up the ball that adults can't even seem to run with, that makes total sense to me. What could possibly go wrong?


Libs are naive if they think these kids need to learn about how to put condoms on cucumbers. Many inner city girls want to get pregnent so they can move out and collect their own check from Uncle Sugar. In some communities it is over 75% out of wedlock births. Oh I forgot, libs are proud of that statistic because they created the welfare program that caused it.

#48 | Posted by fwthom at 2010-02-04 10:09 AM

Hey Fey White Thommy, Don't forget those rural white girls with the same mentality!

I'd like to know what percentage of the kids who did engage in absinence only education practiced safer sex. What's the use of having less kids having sex if those who still do engage in more risky behavior?

I honestly don't understand why we can't teach BOTH.

Repeating from yesterday's nooner (I can 't find one today):

About that despicable Dobson-Tebow-fetal rights ad to be aired during the Super Bowl, the big lie that if you just carry to term, you too can produce a Heisman-winning quarterback.

CBS is free to accept issue ads from the Flat Earth Society if it wishes, but we must remember that it has rejected some meaningful human issues as unsuitable for Super Bowl audiences - most of whom will respond with "honey, get me a beer."

Let's we note who else advertises and use our right not to patronize those sponsors. This allows for free (at $2 million per half minute) speech and lets those of us who care about people vote with our money. herm

Oh I forgot, libs are proud of that statistic because they created the welfare program that caused it.

#48 | Posted by fwthom at 2010-02-04 10:09 AM Fuck Welfare Thom

Sex education should be done at home or church. Why waste time and money teaching them about sex in tax payer funded schools. If someone gets pregnant they can either get a welfare check or an abortion, two great lib programs.

>the big lie that if you just carry to term, you too can produce a Heisman-winning quarterback.

"Can" produce? Absolutely.

"Will" produce? Someone is guaranteeing this?

Of course not. You're just an idiot. Now get off my planet.

Enjoy!

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