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Testifying before Britain's Chilcot Inquiry on the Iraq War, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair entered the building through a side entrance to avoid antiwar protesters out front and was unrepentant over the war. "If September 11 had not happened, our assessment of the risk of allowing Saddam any possibility of him reconstituting his programmes would not have been the same," he said. "After September 11, our view, the American view, changed and changed dramatically."

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If you want to go to war with Iran, vote Republican.

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"Up to September 11 we thought he was a risk but we thought it was worth trying to contain it. Crucially, after September 11 the calculus of risk changed," he said.

"If September 11 had not happened, our assessment of the risk of allowing Saddam any possibility of him reconstituting his programmes would not have been the same. After September 11, our view, the American view, changed and changed dramatically."


It always amazes me how people can admit to a war crime without even thinking about it.

THE POSSIBILITY OF IRAQ RECONSTITUTING A WMD IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR!

How this odious toady of Bush and his neocon enablers looks himself in the mirror every morning is beyond me.

I don't understand it either, Doc!

The revisionist history over Iraq is stunning.

Blair, like Bush, told his citizens Saddam had WMD's. Later, the story changed to 'he was an evil dictator'. I read through the transcript of Blair's testimony today. As they say in the UK: "Poppycock".

I posted utterly indefensible contradictions by candidate George Bush and President Bush. Only a handful, but it's clear despite all the right wingers alleging Obama's a liar they voted for a certifiable liar and his VP candidate in 2000 and 2004:

www.drudge.com

Candidte Bush didn't have a hole in the ground next to Battery Park

-Blair, like Bush, told his citizens Saddam had WMD's.

And in 2004 former president Clinton stated that he thought Iraq still had WMD's before he left office.
Glad to fix that ommission for you.

rwd

Clinton didn't have UN Weapons Inspectors on the ground begging for more time before we invaded either.

Candidte Bush didn't have a hole in the ground next to Battery Park

Iraq had nothing to do with that hole, dumbfuck.


-Clinton didn't have UN Weapons Inspectors on the ground begging for more time before we invaded either.

Makes no difference,when Clinton left office he thought Iraq still had WMD's.
You can spin it anyway you want,the general thought in Washington at the time agreed with that thought.
Memory is lost to the demorat in their lust for power.

rwd

Thinking Iraq had WMD's and being in the position with inspectors on the ground getting access and begging for more time are two entirely different things.

That isn't 'spin'. That's a fact.

Isn't partisan. It's a known fact there were grave doubts within our own and foreign intelligence services about the WMD claims. The yellowcake claims stated in Bush's 2002 SOTU had already been disproved by his own emissary. They scrubbed anything and everything that didn't meet their goal of going to war, which turned into "Nation Building", yet another promise along with 'timetables' the Bush WH did a 180 on.

Bush the candidate and Bush the President contradicted each other to the Nth degree. Even Cheney stated on TV that invading Iraq (with 500,000 troops in 1991) would lead to a 'quagmire'.

You'd be the partisan to deny any of that.

www.drudge.com


-It's a known fact there were grave doubts within our own and foreign intelligence services about the WMD claims.

Hans Blix letter 1/27/03, Bush invaded 3mos later.
Hans blix was neither convinced one way or the other about the claims of no Iraqi WMD's.
If I recall correctly,Bush at the time gave a time table to comply or risk war.Saddam at his own demise chose to ignor his warning.


THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:

AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION

Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix

Mr. President,

I have touched upon some of the disarmament issues that remain open and that need to be answered if dossiers are to be closed and confidence is to arise. Which are the means at the disposal of Iraq to answer these questions? I have pointed to some during my presentation of the issues. Let me be a little more systematic. Our Iraqi counterparts are fond of saying that there are no proscribed items and if no evidence is presented to the contrary they should have the benefit of the doubt, be presumed innocent. UNMOVIC, for its part, is not presuming that there are proscribed items and activities in Iraq, but nor is it or I think anyone else after the inspections between 1991 and 1998 presuming the opposite, that no such items and activities exist in Iraq. Presumptions do not solve the problem. Evidence and full transparency may help.

www.un.org

rwd

Particularly to RWD:

First, although Clinton may have thought Saddam had some crap (everyone knew the Reagan admininstration gave some shit to Saddam in the eighties) he did not attack them.

Secondly, it was Bush who kicked the inspectors out of Iraq so he could start shooting.

ROSEMOUNTBOMBER

In fact, when we were first attacked on 9/11 Cheney was asked if Saddam was behind it, to which he answered (sic) "No, we have him boxed in" (no fly zones).

THEN the light came on and it was 'go with the plan we discussed first on the agenda - with maps of oilfields - at the very first cabinet meeting in February 2001 and invade).

Republicans seem to suffer from CRS (can't remember shit) once one of their own isn't occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Make that CCRS - Conveniently Can't Remember Shit

ROSEMOUNTBOMBER

Nice to have you join the discussion. Welcome. A vast majority of right wingers here repeat what they heard on Fox and have CCRS (conveniently can't remember shit).

I read the transcript last night of Blair's testimony. We should have had just such a panel here. Blair's reasoning seems to have gone much like W's, but at least he's openly admitted he wanted to take out Saddam. Unfortunately for him, the reason of 'regime change' is against British law. He was told that, in fact, by letter, to which he replied "why are you bringing this to me in writing (messy paper trails!)?

Hans Blix BEGGED the Bush WE for two more months (as I'm sure you know), had full access, and, as you say, were 'kicked out' before the bombing began.

Blair and Bush were both privy to the same domestic and international intelligence they shunted aside because it didn't jibe with their long held invasion plans. Bush's were glaring. February 2001, first cabinet meeting, first item on the agenda was about invading Iraq. "We're going in" was the statement. 9/11 provided the perfect excuse.

So, we let Bin Laden an Zawahiri go in Tora Bora as the CIA BEGGED the WH and Central Command for more troops and the OK to kill them. Sadly, the Bush WH needed 'boogiemen' to distract us while they raped the country and cost 4000 American lives in a folly with no planning for post-invasion in a war they told us would last no more than 5 months and cost no more than $50 Billion - repaid with Iraqi oil revenues.

All this while George W "I will not send troops into harms way without a clear plan and a clear exit strategy (with timetable)" (sic) morphed into 'no timetables' and 'no exit strategy' and 'no plan'.

It's sickening. Yet, the right wingers here will tell you how Obama is going to ruin the country and turn us into a Bolshevik pile of ruin.

hahahahaha

its a joke

THINKING Iraq had WMD is NOT JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR!

Christ some people just dont get it.

Oh, and RE: Tora Bora

THOSE assets were already allocated to Iraq. The WH said they couldn't spare them.

Not to kill the SOB's who planned the murder of 3000 innocent American civilians? Please!

U.S. Turns Back From The Battle of Tora Bora

(one account of many)

Can you believe the right wingers choose to forget the myriad of massive failures of the previous administration and repeat meaningless bumper sticker slogans, refusing to even acknowledge who and why we are where we are in so many areas foreign and domestic. It's utterly baffling. I don't think their Kool-Aid was free of LSD.

Americanunity,

You are right about how they conveniently "forget" about their previous administration.

I laughed so hard this morning I almost peed my pants. One of those right wingers sent me an email with someone spouting off about how small business doesn't pay cap gains tax and that Obama was stupid for suggesting reducing the cap gains tax.

Of course I told him that since coming to this country in 1978 I have heard nothing but constant whining from the conservatives and Republicans about how we should abolish the cap gains tax.

Truly hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

"How this odious toady of Bush and his neocon enablers looks himself in the mirror every morning is beyond me."

Doc Sarvis et al, a lot is beyond you.

Try taking a non-myopic, lefty view of the world rather than seeing it through the pathetic filter of Bush hatred.

Save the odious stuff for real vermin like the ayatollahs that are screaming for the heads of all anti-regime demonstrators in Iran.

Bush, Blair el al (there were many others in high places who concurred) made decisions based on the information that they had AT THE TIME.

Someone once said something like "I'm a greater general than

Caesar because I have ALL the historical facts." Stop being an armchair general and consider reality.

Send Blair to prison. In some ways he is even more offensive than GWB. At least Bush genuinely beieved in the bullshit the NeoCons were spouting. But Blair knew better and went along with it regardless.


If you want to go to war with Iran, vote Republican.

#1 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-01-29 04:45 PM


Yup.

Candidte Bush didn't have a hole in the ground next to Battery Park

He took care of that pretty quick didn't he? Only had to ignore 52 warnings. Funny thing is, candidate Bush and his PNAC handlers were pushing a war with Iraq and President Bush conveniently got his "Pearl Harbor". Too bad he had to let saudistan off the hook for 9-11 just to get a reason to invade Iraq, but as Reagan showed, Republicans will trade America lives for a quick buck every time.

#12 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2010-01-29 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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One would think that if we were going to invade, bomb a country into a shithole status, and kill unkept numbers of civilians we'd at in the least have more evidence than "the last president said he thought Saddam had WMDs"

I'm not even going into the bullshit outright lies that were used prior to invading as well as after nothing was found.

made decisions based on the information that they had AT THE TIME.


#20 | Posted by 3853177z at 2010-01-30 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Again, if you go on what they had at the time it was nothing factual... a bunch of "I think" "they used to have" "may still have" ...

Face it, they went to war with nothing factual, then fucked that up...

And I am not talking about Republicans only... The Democrats that supported the invasion of Iraq have blood on their hands as well.


Send Blair to prison. In some ways he is even more offensive than GWB. At least Bush genuinely beieved in the bullshit the NeoCons were spouting. But Blair knew better and went along with it regardless.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-01-30 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I actually agree on this one. Bush was really nave when it came to Cheney's agenda. Although, he's still ultimately responsible.



"How this odious toady of Bush and his neocon enablers looks himself in the mirror every morning is beyond me."


Doc Sarvis et al, a lot is beyond you.


Try taking a non-myopic, lefty view of the world rather than seeing it through the pathetic filter of Bush hatred.


Save the odious stuff for real vermin like the ayatollahs that are screaming for the heads of all anti-regime demonstrators in Iran.


Bush, Blair el al (there were many others in high places who concurred) made decisions based on the information that they had AT THE TIME.


Someone once said something like "I'm a greater general than


Caesar because I have ALL the historical facts." Stop being an armchair general and consider reality.

#20 | Posted by 3853177z


I will shout this.

THINKING IRAQ HAD WMD IS NOT JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.

Christ some people are stupid.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-01-30 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Agreed.

I'm also losing patience with the Democrats that refuse to hold the warpigs accountable for the mess they left behind.

I'm growing sickened by the self serving politicians of greed and destruction.

war criminals should at least be in jail, and the democrats are just as guilty.

First, although Clinton may have thought Saddam had some crap (everyone knew the Reagan admininstration gave some shit to Saddam in the eighties) he did not attack them.


Secondly, it was Bush who kicked the inspectors out of Iraq so he could start shooting.

#13 | Posted by rosemountbomber


SIGH...for fucks sake rmb Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act and ordered a 4 day missle strike,Operation Desert Fox.The act prohibited any attempt to take out SH but missles found their way to his palaces anyway.
As to kicking out the inspectors,I think they were told it wouldn't be a good idea to hang around.
Bush waited for SH to blink by delaying the attack a number of days.
This all came on the heels of SH originally kicking out the inspectors and when he let them back he was uncooperative as posted in the link above.

Blair's Bank Accounts should be audited, along with the Fed. There is some evidence BushCo bribed him with cash to "join" the "coalition". Imagine sending your citizens to war for a bribe.

He took care of that pretty quick didn't he? Only had to ignore 52 warnings. Funny thing is, candidate Bush and his PNAC handlers were pushing a war with Iraq and President Bush conveniently got his "Pearl Harbor". Too bad he had to let saudistan off the hook for 9-11 just to get a reason to invade Iraq, but as Reagan showed, Republicans will trade America lives for a quick buck every time.

#23 | Posted by northguy3


If Bush came out before 9/11 and wanted to search everyone getting on planes the ACLU and all the libbies would have been screaming Bush was a Nazi and crap about civil rights. Hell they scream about profiling airline passengers and constantly bring up Timothy McVeigh as the excuse not to profile. Unfortunately, TimMcVeigh was one guy. There aren't millions of white guys plotting in their basement to blow themselves up in planes in the name of religion. The libbies just can't deal with the fact that it is guys with dark skin from the Middle East that keep trying to kill Americans. As much as the liberals wish it were white soldiers coming home from Iraq that are the threat( See Janet Napolitano)they just can't reconcile the reality with their liberal fundamentalism. Kind of sad. I remember on 9/11 the liberals in the media brought up the IRA almost immediately but were hesitant to blame it on arabs. Gee don't want to offend any darkies. This bullshit sensibility is everywhere. You see it in Hollywood. I loved how the libbies changed the bad guys in the Sum of all Fears from the arabs to WHITe guys. The Bad guy can't have dark skin so let's just change the book.

it must suck to be you timby. you cant accept the fact that you support a president who committed a war crime, the atrocity of unleashing a war of agression on a nation that had nothing to do with the attack on the US (aside-taking the resources away from pursing the man responsible for that attack and allowing him to get away with it).

the blood of hundreds of thousands of iraqis would weigh on your conscience, if you had one.

Bush failed us on 9/11, he was warned and did nothing. cynics see evidence of a passive complicity in his actions, accepting it to allow him to advance his empirialistic ambitions.

me I just think he is a criminal.

oh btw it has been proven that profiling makes us less safe. You cant accept it because you are ignorant, but announcing a limiting on who we will profile tells our enemies how to beat us. THAT MAKES US LESS SAFE.

oh btw it has been proven that profiling makes us less safe. You cant accept it because you are ignorant, but announcing a limiting on who we will profile tells our enemies how to beat us. THAT MAKES US LESS SAFE.


Sorry son but searching 70 year old grandmothers and letting arabs with one way tickets and passports from third world countries on the plane without a second thought is something only fools like you would support. Ask a NJ cop is profiling works. Now that Christie is Gov hopefully the atate troopers can start profiling in Nj again.

I sleep very well at night. It is great to be me.

ok dumbass what exactly does a muslim man look like?


what you describe as lacking is not racial profiling but smart police work ie what they should be doing.

in other words the panties bomber looked like an average homeboy from detroit

Iraq? 9/11?

Seems Sara Palin has been coaching Tony.

Bush, Blair el al (there were many others in high places who concurred) made decisions based on the information that they had AT THE TIME. #20 | Posted by 3853177z

Horse's ass, pal. MI6 reported to Blair that the US was trumping up slipshod "evidence"--they were determined to invade Iraq, and manufacturing evidence and consent were an afterthought. It's called the "Downing Street Memo", Einstein, look it up.

The neocon made crystal clear their intention in a memo published by the Project For a New American Century (PNAC) l-o-n-g before there was a hole in the ground near battery park. Undersignees of that PNAC document were the likes of Wolfowitz, Armitage, Rumsfeld, Perle... Names ring a bell. I won't make you look that up.

PNAC

Sooo, maybe time for you to step off your soapbox rightard, and get a clue?

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