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Around 1.2 million years ago, humankind faced a risk of extinction because we were down to only a population of 18,500, according to a new study by geneticists. This implies an "unusually small population size for a species spread across the entire Old World," researchers write.

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Fascinating stuff.


Around 7000 years ago the population was down to 8.

I have a feeling we'll manage to become endangered again.

We've been an endangered species more than once in our history. There is also quite a bit of genetic evidence that the eruption at Lake Toba knocked the human population down to a few thousand people 70-75 thousand years ago.

Around 7000 years ago the population was down to 8.

Of course! It is so sensible to assume that the evidence for multiple genetic bottlenecks in human history was just zapped into existence by a meddling douche of a deity.

All based on one human's interpretation of an old work of fiction... wow. It's rather incredible how long our species has survived considering the incredible stupidity of some of its members.

I wonder who was keeping count way back then.

I wonder who was keeping count way back then.

"They"

I wonder who was keeping count way back then.

A guy with the initials "DNA". He's a far more reliable record keeper than people who wear funny hats and talk to imaginary friends in the sky.

so much for all the negative press about inbreeding...

Libs told us that mankind was only a couple hundred thousand years old. Maybe the so-called scientists at East Anglia sent this fake story in an e-mail to distract everyone from climategate.

There were no homo sapiens on the planet 1.2 million years ago.


I have a feeling we'll manage to become endangered again.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-25 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Channeling Al Gore

There were no homo sapiens on the planet 1.2 million years ago.

So? The genus homo (hence the modern word 'human') had been around for quite a while. There have been other humans than the species sapiens

There have been other humans than the species sapiens

Homo goatimus comes to mind, but the cross between a human and a goat is pushing the limit of specie classification logic.

...but the cross between a human and a goat is pushing the limit of specie classification logic.

True. But what a magnificient creature he his nonetheless

wonder who was keeping count way back then.


"They"

#7 | Posted by goatman

Sane "They" were measuring temperatures.


When the population is weeded out again.....I'm gonna miss you fellows....but i promise to tell the other survivors your names and stories.


When the population is weeded out again.....I'm gonna miss you fellows....but i promise to tell the other survivors your names and stories.

#17 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Sorry, Lip, you won't make the grade--- aware of survival of the fittest?---leftists wouldn't have a prayer--they wouldn't know how to make it on their own.

#11 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2010-01-25 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag: stopped clock is right ...

The Oldest Homo Sapiens: Fossils Push Human Emergence Back To 195,000 Years Ago
www.sciencedaily.com

Top 10 Missing Links
www.livescience.com

IIRC from Wells' work the entire population of homo sapiens was about 2,000 individuals in West Africa about 70,000 years ago.

"Why do researchers believe that we, modern humans, originate from Africa?
Initially there were two suggestions about where modern humans come from. The 1st suggestion is that human ancestors dispersed throughout the globe, and modern humans evolved from this predecessor in various locations around the globe. The 2nd one is that all modern humans have the same ancestors, who emigrated from Africa some 60,000 years ago. After all data are analyzed, the latest suggestion appears to have advantage over the 1st one based on the following results:
1.Researchers have found fossils of modern humans in Africa, Australia, Europe, Asia, and America. From analyzing fossils, they conclude that fossils in Africa were older than the ones in other continents.
2.MtDNA testing had been done on some people alive around the world in 1987, and the result concluded that humans had mtDNA coming from the same woman who lived some 200,000 years ago in Africa. The fossils testing did confirm the finding that there were modern human fossils at that time frame in Africa. This means that woman was our great, great, great, great, great,,,,, grand mother. Scientists named her "Eve" or "Mitochondrial Eve". Note that Eve here is not Eve in the christian bible.
3.Y chromosome - according to National Geographic researchers team, all living men have common male ancestor, who lived some 60,000 years ago. They named him "Adam", and thus he is the great, great, great, great, great,,,,,,, grand father of all men alive today.
4.The current DNA testing (last year) on people alive today did confirm that we are all originated from Africa."
sorchek.org

I have a feeling we'll manage to become endangered again.

Yes, but probably due to nuclear war, and not because we drive SUV's, you dumb twat.

That's a nice PC theory ZAT.

#22 | Posted by fwthom at 2010-01-25 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Has no fucking clue what the word "theory" means.

Sorry, Lip, you won't make the grade--- aware of survival of the fittest?---leftists wouldn't have a prayer--they wouldn't know how to make it on their own.

#18 | POSTED BY MATSOP

keep dreaming buddy.. Talk into the microphone pants pisser..

www.ruger.com

want the food i grow try and take it..

Sorry, Lip, you won't make the grade--- aware of survival of the fittest?---leftists wouldn't have a prayer--they wouldn't know how to make it on their own.

#18 | Posted by matsop

We would get along fine without you Catsop. Most Libs don't need the grid we tolerate it.

Zat - I thought that 6000 years ago there were only two of us...Adam and Eve...that would make that time the most critical extinction period according to the bible thumper theory.

IMHO -I think we are very close to extinction again. The big game changers now are the possibilities of bio-warfare, nuclear warfare, runaway nano technology, global warming, or even something as simple loss of all bees (no bees no food). Any one of these scenarios could wipe us out.

Then there are the unknown knowns like a meteor strike or supervolcanoe ..

makes you wanna just be happy for today

enjoi

want the food i grow try and take it..

#24 | Posted by Legio

Send me a map and get your trip wires set.

DB - They are in the process of solving the bee problem with superhygienic bees which kill the mites which were causing colony losses, plus these new hybrid bees pass on the characteristic when they cross breed.

Regarding human population, we need less people but more mutants! No wonder the world is so fucked up, we don't have enough diversity.

Zat - I thought that 6000 years ago there were only two of us...Adam and Eve...

#25 | Posted by donnerboy

You and Zat?---which one was which? And if we all came from you two, then we can understand how screwed up the human race is.

Why don't you two count ribs and find out?

But get a room first.
Rogers will thank you for that, I'm sure.


Why don't you two count ribs and find out?


#29 | Posted by Zatoichi

Zat, did as requested---neither you nor dunderboy had one missing--how in the world did you two procreate?

Sorry, Lip, you won't make the grade--- aware of survival of the fittest?---leftists wouldn't have a prayer--they wouldn't know how to make it on their own.

It's too bad you turned out to be a partisan toolbag. We've got too many of those here to begin with.

keep dreaming buddy.. Talk into the microphone pants pisser..

www.ruger.com

Very nice.

Does it have a typical ruger trigger or is it pretty good?


.....the super-volcano at Yellostone is actually due to blow anytime now......

......it's doubtful that humans will survive that cataclysm......

armageddononline.tripod.com

the super-volcano at Yellostone is actually due to blow anytime now

"Any time now" in the geological sense of the term.

it's doubtful that humans will survive that cataclysm

The species will make it through but our numbers will be knocked down quite a bit. Everything west of the Mississippi will be covered in quite a bit of ash - that's a lot of food production capability wiped out. You'd get a nuclear winter sort of scenario for a few years, too. Civilization as we know it would end in the US and probably much of the world, but humanity would survive.

National Geographic is doing a genome mapping, tracing DNA as far back as they can. Buy a kit, send them two cheek swabs and follow the family line. My DNA, the most common in the UK goes back through what is now the Urals, northern India, Persia and to Somolia. That's over 40,000 years, less anybody get bent over miscegynation issues..

but humanity would survive.
#33 | Posted by ZombieHunter

.....you are being an optimist......

....I think if some agencies actually started preparing for that eventuality, then yes, some people could be saved to repopulate the earth....

......but my impression is that we are too shortsighted as a species to get our shit together.......

......perhaps some Europeans may be interested enough to save mankind, but, here, we are so obsorbed with our Tax Cuts, that we cannot see the big picture.......


back through what is now the Urals, northern India, Persia and to Somolia.

.....all roads lead to the Rift Valley......

The species will make it through but our numbers will be knocked down quite a bit. Everything west of the Mississippi will be covered in quite a bit of ash -

#33 | Posted by ZombieHunter

As if California doesn't have enough problems.

Scientist have discovered that the ground in Yellowstone if 74cm higher than in was in 1923 - indicating a massive swelling underneath the park. The reservoir is filling with magma at an alarming rate. The volcano erupts with a near-clockwork cycle of every 600,000 years. The last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago - we are overdue for annihilation.

Magma would be flung 50 kilometres into the atmosphere. Within a thousand kilometres virtually all life would be killed by falling ash, lava flows and the sheer explosive force of the eruption. Volcanic ash would coat places as far away as Iowa and the Gulf of Mexico. One thousand cubic kilometres of lava would pour out of the volcano, enough to coat the whole of the USA with a layer 5 inches thick. The explosion would have a force 2,500 times that of Mount St. Helens. It would be the loudest noise heard by man for 75,000 years, the time of the last super volcano eruption.

As if California doesn't have enough problems.
#37 | Posted by matsop

.....on the contrary......all of California's problems would be solved.......

#39 ff

"Buy a kit, send them two cheek swabs"

Did that long ago ...

We are all kin.

Deal with it.

So far, besides my kids, the coolest beings I ever knew were Max the Cat and Nelson the Cricket.

Nelson was my daughter's pet.
He was smarter than any Afghan Hound.

..but my impression is that we are too shortsighted as a species to get our shit together..

Getting our shit together will preserve civilization and save lives, but it's far more likely that there will be enough survivors to keep the species around. What kind of world they live in... who knows. We would depend to a great degree on how ecosystems are effected by the eruption - what kinds of crops can grow and where, etc...

The explosion would have a force 2,500 times that of Mount St. Helens.

Think on the bright side... at least the ash isn't radioactive.

.....the super-volcano at Yellostone is actually due to blow anytime now......

......it's doubtful that humans will survive that cataclysm......

#32 | Posted by skizziks

It could be a little pop like a ladyfinger. Who the hell knows?

Run for your lives, the sky is falling.

It could be a little pop like a ladyfinger. Who the hell knows?


Run for your lives, the sky is falling.

#44 | Posted by Sniper

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


The explosion would have a force 2,500 times that of Mount St. Helens.


Think on the bright side... at least the ash isn't radioactive.

#43 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I would put this much higher on the list of possibilities then "global warming".

What's in a sound?

A sound by any other name would be as loud ...

Well, at least we know that Zombie hasn't a clue about science.

Mt. St. Helens had magma erupt from deep and shallow levels of the Earth's mantle. That means that the ash has a higher radioactive background than any ME battlefield does from depleted uranium.

The ash from Mt St. Helens went around the world and provided the geologic record with tons of data on radioactive dating of various types of isotopes that were produced ...

"Mt. St. Helens had magma erupt from deep and shallow levels of the Earth's mantle. That means that the ash has a higher radioactive background than any ME battlefield does from depleted uranium"

hahahahhahahah

It could be a little pop like a ladyfinger. Who the hell knows?
Run for your lives, the sky is falling.
#44 | Posted by Sniper

Snipe,read up a little:

armageddononline.tripod.com

North America will be scoured free of mammals for sure.
There will be so much ash & pumice in the air, there will be a three year night, during which time most vegetation will either die off or the seeds will go into hibernation.
People on the far side of the world who do survive the initial blast, will have no food available for three to five years.
Will any people survive that ? I doubt it, but Zombie is optimistic that some can.
And the dopey survivalists who are stocking up on rifles and beans, if they really wanted their progeny to survive, would be moving to Africa and building a biosphere.
Cause nothing North of the Amazon is going to survive in our hemisphere.

"Homo goatimus comes to mind, but the cross between a human and a goat is pushing the limit of specie classification logic.

#14 | Posted by RingMaster"

This creature has a unique fertilization technique through self-fellation.


There were no homo sapiens on the planet 1.2 million years ago.

So? The genus homo (hence the modern word 'human') had been around for quite a while. There have been other humans than the species sapiens

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2010-01-25 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Other "homo" species were of different species than homo sapiens. The point I was making is that there were no modern humans 1.2 years ago--no homo sapiens. The headline seemed to say that there were modern humans aound 1.2 million years ago. Had they said homo erectus, or homo antecessor, I wouldn't have quibbled. Different species can not interbreed successfully.

that there were no modern humans 1.2 years ago
#52 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

www.wrongsideoftheart.com

Homo is the genus that includes modern humans and species closely related to them. The genus is estimated to be about 2.5 million years old,[citation needed] evolving from Australopithecine ancestors with the appearance of Homo habilis. The advent of Homo coincides with the first evidence of stone tools (the Oldowan industry), and thus by definition with the beginning of the Lower Paleolithic.

All species of the genus except Homo sapiens (modern humans) are extinct. Homo neanderthalensis, traditionally considered the last surviving relative, died out 24,000 years ago, while a recent discovery suggests that another species, Homo floresiensis, discovered in 2003, may have lived as recently as 12,000 years ago.

Given the large number of morphological similarities exhibited, Homo is closely related to several extinct hominin genera, most notably Kenyanthropus, Paranthropus, Ardipithecus and Australopithecus. As of 2009[update], none of these taxa is universally accepted as the confirmed direct ancestor of Homo.

#54 | Posted by skizziks at 2010-01-26 04:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's what I said.

Different species can not interbreed successfully.

All the other species are extinct.

FTA: By examining the mutations in DNA near Alu insertions in two completely sequenced modern human genomes, they could calculate how much genetic diversity existed in our ancestors. They used the number of those genetic differences between the two genomes to calculate how large the population was at that time.

Cool beans.

So to recap, humanity is a species which has gone from being endangered to being responsible not only for endangering several other species but for the actual extinction of many more.

That's progress, innit?

Be Well.

being responsible not only for endangering several other species but for the actual extinction of many more.
#56 | Posted by dethspud

......it's a doggie dog world.......

......it's a doggie dog world.....

And if the species extinctions and pollution continue there won't be anything left to eat so dog'll start looking purty good.

Spud'll counter yer Snoop reference with a Stan Ridgeway one.

"Cos it's dog eat cat
And cat eat mouse
And mouse eat cheese
And the cheese just smells"

Be Well.

......it's a doggie dog world.......

....back in the day, about 35 years ago, I was playing on a soccer team.....

.....we had a Polish-Canadian guy on the team, and he used to make these malapropisms because he did not understand English fully.......

.....during one team meeting, he meant to say "it's a dog eat dog world" but somehow it came out "doggie dog world".......

If the so-called "Environmentalists" had their way, humans WOULD BE extinct.

Humans have always been on the brink of extinction as they are born naked and hungry and have to provide for their every need by fighting against nature. Just look at Haiti.

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

#45 | Posted by matsop

If it falls on an elk, yes. If it falls on a lib, no. Note, a lib is a no one.

If the so-called "Environmentalists" had their way, humans WOULD BE extinct.

~Kissnation

Wow, st00pid much?

When you speak irl can you actually taste the FAIL?

Be Well.

/Like a tater do
stage left.

Damn supd, I sure wouldn't expect you to go to the right. I guess you are playing leftout.

...they are born naked and hungry and have to provide for their every need by fighting against nature. Just look at Haiti.


Maybe if they didn't fight against nature so much but would strive to understand it and work WITH it maybe they wouldn't be so naked and hungry? And just maybe humans would quit causing the extinction of other species and maybe...just maybe... save themselves too.

Just a thought.

And just maybe humans would quit causing the extinction of other species and maybe...just maybe... save themselves too.


Just a thought.

Posted by donnerboy at 2010-01-26 12:31 PM | Reply

Theres no profit in that so no.


......it's doubtful that humans will survive that cataclysm......

#32 | Posted by skizziks


This is exactly what they said about the election of George W Bush.

DETHSPUD:

My, I AM so persuaded by your name-calling. What are you, 12 years old, or perhaps Just an Old Man with a child's mind?

If you would bother to look into the radical religious environmentalists, every policy of theirs from cutting off water to the California San Joaquin Valley farmers who produce most of the food for this country to Margaret Sanger's policy of birth control (meant to originally control minority birth rates) now taken over by the radical left, one can see an anti-human bias.

You might also look into some of the Czars that surround BO in the White House and you will find quite radical anti-human, population control freaks.

Were there environmentalists 1.2 million years ago to protect us? If not, how did we survive? Who was around to tell the other animals not to eat all the humans otherwise their food supply would run out and they would die off? I guess we can survive without libtard thinking after all.

If it falls on an elk, yes. If it falls on a lib, no. Note, a lib is a no one.

Wow sniper, that was a good one.

I think you probably drew a few tears and made some libs reconsider their worldview.

You must truly possess a deep, deep intellect.

Were there environmentalists 1.2 million years ago to protect us? If not, how did we survive?

are you really that much of an ignorant person? Or do you just play one on the internets?

There are 6 billion people on Earth which is now going through an Mass Extinction event whereby upwards of 50 percent of all species may go extinct in our lifetime and this is directly due to our presence on the planet. 1.2 million years ago we had no footprint on this planet. Now with 6 billion of us we can effect entire ecosystems. No ecosystem on this planet has been untouched by human hands. It is not what we do as individuals (you can't destroy a Planet by yourself) but what we do collectively and as a species. We are pooping in our own rice bowl.

But, being such a smart guy you really did know that didn't you?

Send me a map and get your trip wires set.

#26 | POSTED BY MATSOP

I will go ahead and dig a hole with the backhoe..we will be waiting pussy.

Very nice.
Does it have a typical ruger trigger or is it pretty good?

#31 | POSTED BY JPW

It is law-suit proof ;), but an after market is definitely in order. It is better than most black rifle's stock triggers, but not suitable to significant wear and tear (will break at around 7-7.5 pounds pressure is my estimate).

The rifle itself is tip-top. Overall VERY reliable weapon and solid as most Ruger rifles.


I'm glad you liked it jpw. It just popped into my mind the other day when someone sent me an e-mail showing a dead elk with a tree on top of it. That stuff just comes to me naturaly.


Send me a map and get your trip wires set.


#26 | POSTED BY MATSOP


I will go ahead and dig a hole with the backhoe..we will be waiting pussy.

#71 | Posted by Legio

Dig it wide and deep because you'll need it for "we"---night and a "2000-knife" will be all I need for an equalizer.

It is law-suit proof ;)

Figured LOL

Have a 9mm that has taught me terrible trigger technique. Still love the gun though.

The rifle itself is tip-top. Overall VERY reliable weapon and solid as most Ruger rifles.

Damnit. Now I want one.

I guess I'll have to scrounge under the floor mats to see if I have $2K.

It just popped into my mind the other day when someone sent me an e-mail showing a dead elk with a tree on top of it.

OK now that's funny.

Dig it wide and deep because you'll need it for "we"---night and a "2000-knife" will be all I need for an equalizer.

Ahhhh a partisan hack AND an internet tough guy.

You've got a lot going for you.

Ahhhh a partisan hack AND an internet tough guy.


You've got a lot going for you.

#76 | Posted by jpw

Curious JPW, does your moniker stand for "JUST a PARTISAN WINDTUNNEL"?

Curious JPW, does your moniker stand for "JUST a PARTISAN WINDTUNNEL"?

Nice, use the ol' turn the same joke around on them.

And when that fails, the old rubber and glue bit?


Curious JPW, does your moniker stand for "JUST a PARTISAN WINDTUNNEL"?


Nice, use the ol' turn the same joke around on them.


And when that fails, the old rubber and glue bit?

#78 | Posted by jpw

Correct--although it might surprise you that I'm not registered to either party because I essentially loathe some of the decisions of both.

Correct--although it might surprise you that I'm not registered to either party because I essentially loathe some of the decisions of both.

Hmmmmm I seem to remember you saying a whole lot of 'leftist this leftist that' sort of stuff.

Maybe my N value is too small...

I will go ahead and dig a hole with the backhoe..we will be waiting pussy.
#71 | Posted by Legio
Dig it wide and deep because you'll need it for "we"---night and a "2000-knife" will be all I need for an equalizer.

#74 | POSTED BY MATSOP

Says the stupid fuck with a gaping head wound..

Want to go mano y perro? I prefer a Cold Steel Tanto.


Excellent credo Matsop, hate everyone, it will carry you far in life.

#80 | Posted by human_harvest

I don't know what you're harvestting "argumentum ad hominem" but if you would read my post a little more carefully you would notice I don't loathe the persons but the decisions--I'll give you a chance for a retraction and then I'll forgive your oversight.


I will go ahead and dig a hole with the backhoe..we will be waiting pussy.
#71 | Posted by Legio
Dig it wide and deep because you'll need it for "we"---night and a "2000-knife" will be all I need for an equalizer.


#74 | POSTED BY MATSOP


Says the stupid fuck with a gaping head wound..


Want to go mano y perro? I prefer a Cold Steel Tanto.

#82 | Posted by Legio

Aaaah, a nice blade indeed but it doesn't compensate for the hombre behind it---however, since I have a sympathetic heart for los perros, you'll be dealt with humanely.

Hmmmmm I seem to remember you saying a whole lot of 'leftist this leftist that' sort of stuff.


Maybe my N value is too small...

#81 | Posted by jpw

That may be but that doesn't wed me to a particular party but may place me philosophically in a different place--you notice I didn't refer to you as a certain party member or a liberal.

Says the stupid fuck with a gaping head wound..

Want to go mano y perro? I prefer a Cold Steel Tanto.
#82 | Posted by Legio
Aaaah, a nice blade indeed but it doesn't compensate for the hombre behind it---however, since I have a sympathetic heart for los perros, you'll be dealt with humanely.

#84 | POSTED BY MATSOP

says the overweight 53yo man.. what a joke.

#19 Zatoichi> Top 10 Missing Links

#10 through #3 look awful ape-like to me. However, #8 looks just like a Sleestack on the old TV show "Land Of The Lost". Creepy...

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