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"Our message is clear: We are planting here, we will stay here, we will build here. This place will be an inseparable part of Israel for eternity," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said hours after a visit by US envoy George Mitchell seeking to reopen peace talks between Israel and Palestinians. "This is an unacceptable act that destroys all the efforts being exerted by Senator Mitchell in order to bring back the parties to the negotiating table", Palestinian spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeina said.

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We need to Bomb Israel and see how they like it.

Who is going to be surprised when Israel is somehow involved in the coming for WWWIII?

"Our message is clear: We are planting here, we will stay here, we will build here. This place will be an inseparable part of Israel for eternity," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Now THAT is a Zionist moron people. He does not speak for all Jews or even all Israelis and he is as much a terrorist as Hamas is IMHO.

The occupation of the WB and Gaza is provocative. Israelis are inviting Arabs to start a war. We cannot allow ourselves to be sucked into a conflict that Israel is bringing onto herself.

Let the SOBs wipe each other out!

Pass out whisky and straight razors and get out of the way!

C'mon, Barack, do something about this--talk?--tell him to play nice.

AT the very least we need to stop giving Israel money.

Who is going to be surprised when Israel is somehow involved in the coming for WWWIII?
richardspirit

world wide web III?

The Middle East is a never ending conflict that can not be solved much like how does one convince a islamic terrorist that others have rights also and should not be blown up because they don't want to be muslims. Many people believe that the Middle East conflict will be the fuse that brings all out World war. Sad.

The west bank (along with other territories) was taken
while Israel was attacked by multiple nations.

Question for the Jew-haters:

What were the arabs going to do to the Jews if they had successfully conquered Israel?

No one brings genocide on themselves.

C'mon, Barack, do something about this--talk?--tell him to play nice.

Yes, speak softly and carry a big axe (for use on funding for the Israeli military).

AT the very least we need to stop giving Israel money.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-25 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

You don't know the fine print Carter agreed to in order to buy his 'Peace Treaty' legacy.

It is easy the DR posters with little or no understanding of the geography in Israel. The WB is but 10Km to the outskirts of TelAviv. With the inability to stop the rockets flying out of Gaza the way they do, why would you allow them to be closer? Anyone with a reasonable response?

AT the very least we need to stop giving Israel money.
#7 | Posted by danni

Agreed, but let us not forget that part of that agreement that Carter worked out, has Egypt getting 2/3 of the amount Israel receives. What has Egypt done with that money? Israel is helping in Haiti, are there any Arab countries helping Haiti?
www.prweb.com

I voted against expansion of the settlements in the poll. They only need to control the WB, not settle it.

#14 | Posted by Onironaut

Damn, are you DreamingBear? Cool.

www.vimeo.com




The Israelis attacked 6 nations without provocation,
and now wants to keep land that was ill-gotten.

The nerve! The nerve, I say!

Be Well.


My take on the political mood in Israel these days is that they have essentially given up on the idea that there is any real "partner for peace" with Hamas and the Palestinians, so they are content to build a big wall (which has very effectively stopped all suicide-homicide bombings in Israel), and just get on with their lives. They will be criticized just as severely no matter what they do, so why put a lot of effort into this anymore (at least for the present)? The Palestinian leadership (and their puppeteers in Iran, Syria, etc.) have always been quite clear that their real intention is the destruction of Israel, so what is Israel supposed to do? Unless and until there is a genuine motivation for your opponents to sit down and negotiate in good faith, there won't be any real progress, so why waste your time with a predictably futile situation? No concessions other than those which unreasonably endanger Israel will be interesting to these people. Perhaps at some point in the future the Arab world will wake up and realize that Israel is here for good, but watching how they poison each new generation with anti-Semitism, perhaps not.

The Israelis attacked 6 nations without provocation,


#16 | POSTED BY SKIP_WELLINGTON AT 2010-01-25 05:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG: Flunked History

AT the very least we need to stop giving Israel money.

We need Regan's Ghost to start shipping weapons to hezbollah again.

The German's have a word for what Nuttyahoo said - Lebenstraum.

"Lebenstraum"

I think you meant lebensraum.

"Lebenstraum(sic)" sounds like "living trauma" which is what they got.

Ein Traum ist eine psychische Aktivitt whrend des Schlafes und wird als besondere Form des Erlebens im Schlaf charakterisiert, das hufig von lebhaften Bildern begleitet und mit intensiven Gefhlen verbunden ist, woran sich der Betroffene nach dem Erwachen meist nur teilweise erinnern kann.

A dream is a mental activity during sleep and is characterized as a special form of experiences during sleep, which is often accompanied by vivid images and intense emotions associated with what the person concerned after waking usually remember only in part.

In fact lebenstraum is "living dream" which is what the Germans most certainly did not get.

Well I guess there are nightmares.

Well I guess there are nightmares.

What?

There's an echo in here.

Hello?

Mia culpa. Ich bin eine Berliner mit der schpellunken.

Old Ferdie Porsche joke; How many Jews can I fit in my Volkswagen, mein Feuhrer? 54-two in the front, two in the backseat und fifty in the ashtray.

If hamas, hezbollah and other terrorists (including Iran, who was recently caught trying to get over 50 tons of weapontry in to the West Bank) would stop attacking then Isreal would/might back off. Personally I would destroy the West Bank piece by piece forcing the Palenstinians to move out.

"Your just a wingnut rightie hater" (I'm sure someone will say something to that effect) Well if you were being bombed by these 'peacefull' Palenstinians then your compassion might be different.

www.haaretz.com

If hamas, hezbollah and other terrorists (including Iran, who was recently caught trying to get over 50 tons of weapontry in to the West Bank) would stop attacking then Isreal would/might back off.

No peace process will be successful if Israel remains hellbent on stealing land that does not and has never belonged to them. The Israelis' actions are no more legitimate than than those of Hamas. I imagine your slavish devotion to a certain overzealous sect of of Christianity has rendered you incapable of understanding this concept.

Personally I would destroy the West Bank piece by piece forcing the Palenstinians to move out.

Strong words for someone who has demonstrated a profound lack of knowledge regarding this conflict. There is nothing in this universe that gives you or any human being the authority to drive people off of their land in the name of your own expansionist agenda.

Fanatics on all sides hold similarly deranged fantasies of ethnic cleansing. It does not matter where the hardliners live or what side they have taken. They are all part of the problem, and until that problem is eliminated, you will not see a solution. You are no different than a member of Hamas who desires to drive the "jews into the sea".

Make the country's name: Israel, and gerrymander the nation to make voting equal in representation. You serve in the IDF, you get to vote ...

Then let the Arabs (not Palestinians as they claim) move out or join the nation in peace.

tadowe

i'm ok with that ..

great idea.

if palestinians serve in the idf then they should get citizenship

you like that idea
i like the idea

i guarantee you israel won't do that.

"Then let the Arabs (not Palestinians as they claim) "

palestinians look different then arabs

there is an ethnic difference.

you CAN CLAIM whatever you want.

Klif says, "palestinians look different then arabs there is an ethnic difference. you CAN CLAIM whatever you want."

You are about as stupid as they come! Either that, or your are certifiable as being blind ...

Not even Iranians claim any distinctive 'look' and they are the area's elitists who claim not to be Arabs, for a large part of that population!


Israel won't go for it, because the Arabs will flood the country with another wave, after all the waves that have done so since the 1948 UN decision which Arabs REFUSE to acknowledge ...

... being the fratricidal 'racists' they are ...

"Either that, or your are certifiable as being blind ..."

right and koreans look just like chinese as well.

whatever dude.

again think what you want.

"because the Arabs will flood the country with another wave, after all the waves "

right. hahahaa. israel has the infrastructure already in place to start slowly and precisely integrating citizens from the palestinian populace.. but they don't... they LET certain palestinians come in to work (as second class citizens) but they don't get citizenship.

they don't want an integrated society... they want a jewish society.. and letting in palestinians increase the number of non jewish citizens and that is the main problem.

the zionist govt is extremely racist.. just as biggotted as hamas.

they are the area's elitists who claim not to be Arabs

Because they aren't, you fucking dumbass, Iran is full of Persians.

i guarantee you israel won't do that

No kidding. I gurantee you some Palestinians wouldn't be too keen on the idea, either.

Netanyahu is the only leader of Israel that is willing to stand up for the Jewish people, and defend them against the Palestinians who have always stated there is no negotiations and never will be. Their aim is to drive Israel and all Jewish people completely out of the middle East into the sea, and has never changed, and never will.

Peace talks are a complete waste of everyone's time, expense, and effort, peace will never happen as long as the Palestinians have the present destroying mindset to drive Israel into the sea...

Israel would be glad to live at peace with the Palestinians if they would allow them, but they will never agree to live peacefully with the Israelies.

They have never wanted peace, they will never allow peace between themselves. Their hell bent agenda is to completely destroy the jewish state of Israel and all Jews forever, and that would never lead to peace, even if they completely destroyed Israel forever...

zombie...

tadowe obviously is the type of guy who calls others blind because he's in complete denial about his own extremely apparent vision problems

tadowe obviously is the type of guy who calls others blind because he's in complete denial

In denial, and quite delusional as well. If you've read any of his other "material," it's pretty apparent that he holds a fairly warped view of reality. Crippled epistemology. Impotent worldview. Whatver you want to call it... he's not all together.

apparent vision problems

Oh, he's a myopic piece of shit to be sure.

"Peace talks are a complete waste of everyone's time"

right
this is the another dick head custer type.

kill the native americans type of guy

enslave the blacks kind of guy

encapsulate the japs kind of guy

watch out for commies type of guy

"Their hell bent agenda is to completely destroy the jewish state of Israel and all Jews forever"

again the israeli's HAVE The infrastructure already in place to integrate at a gradual and exceptable pace but don't and won't because THEY don't want peace... they want manifest destiny.

They have become the people they ran away from europe from.

Their aim is to drive Israel and all Jewish people completely out of the middle East into the sea, and has never changed, and never will.

And the inexorable expansion of Israeli settlements shows the goals of the Israeli hardliners to be nothing short of the expulsion of the Palestinians from the land they currently own. If you're going to call a spade a spade, don't ignore the ones in your own hand.

another dick head custer type

As I recall, it didn't end well for Custer...

They have become the people they ran away from europe from.

"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one."

"If you're going to call a spade a spade, don't ignore the ones in your own hand"

you can't ask a hypocrit to change their ways... they lie at their core to even themselves.

Some more zombie and klifferd smoking mirrows and bullshit, two fleas from the same pod.
Don't have the brains to know a spade from a black, or Palestinian, or commie, what a pathetic piece of shit...

Some more zombie and klifferd smoking mirrows and bullshit, two fleas from the same pod

So it's "mirrows," not meth that you've been cooking up in your double-wide?

The Palestinians have always been a trifling war-mongering worthless piece of shit, and will never stop their hate and war-mongering until destroyed. Israel should and has all rights to drive them into the sea, let them reap what they sow...

Zombie somehow for whatever dense reason can't get meth off the brain, wonder why???
Better be careful Zom the feds love to bust logger-heads...

Israel should and has all rights to drive them into the sea, let them reap what they sow...
-Dr. Feelgood

And with that comment, Dr. ShitForBrains has shown himself to be no different than a Hizbullah, Hamas, or al Qaida sympathizer. Can you formulate a coherent argument as to why should you be treated differently than these scum?

Much as Khalid Sheik Mohammed will one day reap what he has sown, so too shall you. Do not forget that. If a cretin such as yourself is capable of thinking independantly, please spend a few moments pondering the answer to this question: What have you sown with your deranged, hate-filled rhetoric?

Zombie somehow for whatever dense reason can't get meth off the brain, wonder why???

The reason is fairly straightforward. You exhibit the disorganized thought processes, diminished intelligence, and lack of self-control that is typical of chronic meth abusers.

The Palestinian arabs are a hate war-mongering people and will never allow Israel to live in peace, and I will say it again, They deserve to be ran into the sea by the Israelies, because that's their daily threats to do to the Israelies.

The sorry pieces of shit deserve what they dish out, call it what you like, it doesn't make you right...

The sorry pieces of shit deserve what they dish out

As do filth like you.

Klif says, "right and koreans look just like chinese as well."

Unreal! You don't even know what the term, "Semitic" means!

Klif goes on, "israel has the infrastructure already in place to start slowly and precisely integrating citizens from the palestinian populace.. but they don't... they LET certain palestinians come in to work (as second class citizens) but they don't get citizenship."

Jordan, Syria and Lebanon flooded the English "Palestinian Authority", by ordering hundreds of thousands of Arabs, under those nationalities into the area, and in order to "vote" the Jews (Israel) into obscurity. However, the UN on seeing that effort divided the nation into "Palestine" (as new of a nation as the reborn Israel) and Israel, and gerrymandered the nation in an insane effort at SEGREGATION!

Those residents of the Palestinian Authority were certainly semitic Arabs, and some had been there for hundreds of years, along with many Jews; both living under British rule and before that Turkey.

That effort to flood the nation with "Palestinians" from Lebanon, Jordan and Syria (along with other Arab countries) hasn't stopped, and is an effort to subvert any hopes for peace in Israel. Hezbollah, a known terrorist organization and Obama's partner in trying to discredit Israel, continues to attack Israel, tooth-and-nail, to satisfy the Islamic desire for genocide of this people.

You know that, too, but actively work against a democratic nation, in favor of tyrannical regimes some of whom support terrorism, by playing partisan US politics with another nation's survival!

I think any Democrat, or US Leftist who does so is also a racist idiot supporting a concerted effort at genocide ...

If this shoe fits any reader, here, var der Harget you inhuman vermin ...


they don't want an integrated society... they want a jewish society.. and letting in palestinians increase the number of non jewish citizens and that is the main problem.


the zionist govt is extremely racist.. just as biggotted as hamas.

Here's one of them now, "Because they aren't, you fucking dumbass, Iran is full of Persians."

The US is full of WASPS ... so what?

Whatever inspired such a looney as to choose such a stupid name as Zombie fits very well, full of shit, and stupid...

The US is full of WASPS

"White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" is a little broader of a group than "Persian," especially considering how muddled the family trees of many older American families can get.

WASP isn't an ethnicity, as any number of ethnic groups can be WASPS - people of Slavic, Sicilian, Celtic, Nordic, Basque, etc... descent for example. There are usually a lot of leaves on the family tree. In Iran, you have predominately Persians, along with Kurds, Azeris, etc... and yes the family trees can get muddled there, as well. Still, it's apples and oranges. If a Persian from the north of Iran marries an anglo-saxon and picks up Lutheranism, guess what - you've got yourself a WASP (depending on how the person identifies).

There is no historical "WASP" language. There is a historical Persian language. WASPS have not existed into antiquity, whereas Persians have. When you look at someone's name, you might be able to tell that they are Persian, but you don't know if they're white anglo-saxon protestant.

Yes, these are folk taxonomies, but some have their basis in historical divisions of different regions and endogamous linguistic groups. WASPs don't make the cut.

call it what you like, it doesn't make you right...

Of course not. It is the facts that make me right, Dr. ShitForBrains. Facts, in case you were wondering, are those incovenient things that you deliberately avoid in discussion. I wonder... do you avoid dealing in fact because you have a hard time understanding them or a hard time accepting them?

Zombie mumbles a quibble, ""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" is a little broader of a group than "Persian," especially considering how muddled the family trees of many older American families can get."

What credit do you think you gain for yourself or party by demonstrating the depth of your ignorance?

I posted the reference for the term "Semitic", above, but you haven't the ability to read even a small portion, or view the teaching aid to get an idea of what it means. What a nation calls itself does not identify it as a race ... got that?

No ... I doubt you can get anything through that cement you call your brain that isn't spoonfed you by the Democrat party.

"WASP isn't an ethnicity ..."

See, folks? Even you Democrats with normal intelligence can tell this for a lie, but not a one of you fellow goosesteppers would *ever* correct this dunce! You're all liars by proxy with this stupid jerk ... it was an example, Zombie, an allusion to any basis you might have for claiming "Persians" as some sort of race seperate from Arab, and since they are all Semites.

Come on back though, Zombie and show everyone just how much an ignorant, unintelligent partisan zealot like you can be in representing *all* Democrats!

Good lord, tadpole, that's a lot of irrational confabulation to pull out of your ass. Did it hurt on its way out? Well, it's gotta go somewhere...

Way to demonstrate that you know jack dick concerning the space between between India and ass cheeks. Not as if there were any doubt beforehand.

Zombie says something ...

The Arabs defeated the Persians and have ruled there continuously to present as "Islam".

There may be some "pure" Persian genes kept seperate from those of the Semitic peoples who conquered them for low these thousands of years, but imagine the inbreeding!!!

So, take your quibble and stuff it ...

The Arabs defeated the Persians and have ruled there continuously to present as "Islam".

Lol, you think Persia is controlled by Arabs? Dude, you are totally fucking clueless

I'm saying that Iran is full of Semitic peoples melted in that geographic pot and practicing Islam, not a nation filled with ancient Persians, practicing Zoroasterism ...

Have you no depth? Are Persians the descendants of Ishmael, or not?

(That's a joke, son ... get it? Everyone knows that they are the descendants of Japheth, not Shem ...)

practicing Zoroasterism ..

I've heard of these guys. Scary mother-fuckers.

Why is it bad for the US to "take land" and / or occupy, but ok for Israel?

Loh

Why should Israel give up the land. The got the land and the Palestinians got nothing but a dick in their hand

"Are Persians the descendants of Ishmael, or not?"

once again tadowe proves to be descended from douche material

persians are aryans... not decendants of ishmael.

they are NOT semetic.


and palestinians i give you are part arab most likely due to the nature of the muslim culture of the area.... but they are not full blooded decendants of ishmael like saudi or yemeni arabs.

"the Palestinians are an Arab people in linguistic and cultural affiliation that is, in ethnic identity. However, like most other peoples today called Arabs, the Palestinians descend from the pre-existing ancient inhabitants of their respective region " - wiki

egyptians for example also look nothing like saudi arabs.

they also are not the descendants of ishmael.

now like zombie said, their has been cross breeding over the last 1500 years... but not enough to flush out 5000 years of ethnic divergence.

and thus ends my discussion as the facts have been presented and will now be ignored.. hows that electric space theory going hahahahahhahah

"Why should Israel give up the land"

then don't be suprised as a prisoned people usually fight back..


obviously what civilized people is peace

you on the other hand never have anything nice to say about anything...

mom must not have payed attention to you.... lack of breast milk in your infancy is a likely possibility.

what civilized people WANT is peace.

...two fleas from the same pod.

~Dr Thinksbad

Mixed metaphor Flag.

"Why should Israel give up the land"

Why should the Palestinians stop shooting rockets into Israel?

Why should America continue to pay the largest percentage of it's foreign aid budget to a country that refuses to work towards peace and is an undeclared nuclear power?

Be Well.

Are Persians the descendants of Ishmael, or not?

No, dipshit. The descendants of Abraham were floating around in an entirely different region, and for your information, "Persian" does not equate to Zoroastrian. Ethnicity is not the same thing as religion, dumbass.

Seeing how the lineage of Abramam family probably existed only on paper or in oral tradition, the question is doubly meaningless.

The got the land and the Palestinians got nothing but a dick in their hand

If the federal government came to expel Republicans from New Jersey and relocate them to a refugee camp, you would resist them, would you not? You would resent being driven off of land that you own by a tyrannical government bent on altering the demographics of a region by force.

Now think (if that is something you are capable of) - The federal government would be no more justified in driving you off your land than you would be in blowing up coffee shops full of innocent people in reprisal. Both actions are indefensible. It's very easy for both sides of a conflict to be wrong, but it's very hard for radical filth to acknowledge that fact once they have been told what side to mindlessly support.

Timbecile, do you mind explaining how maggots such as yourself preach the right to defend your land yet expect the Palestinians to sit idly by as Israel conducts an ethnic cleansing campaign? Personally, I doubt there is an explanation for this hypocrisy beyond the fact that you are an ignorant sack of shit undeserving of the oxygen you consume.

"fact that you are an ignorant sack of shit undeserving of the oxygen you consume"

to say the least.

The west bank (along with other territories) was taken
while Israel was attacked by multiple nations.

Actually Israel attacked first. Learn some history dope.


"Actually Israel attacked first. Learn some history dope."

#74 | Posted by Tom_W at 2010-01-26 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag: smokin' the good shit


Six Day War timeline:
www.sixdaywar.co.uk

Jan - March 1967

In the first quarter of 1967 there were over 270 border "incidents", mainly emanating from Syria, which caused rising concern in Israel.

April 7th 1967

Syrian gunners fired from their Golan Heights position on an Israeli tractor farming in the demilitarised zone. Artillery fire was exchanged and the fight escalated. Israel sent airplanes against the Syrian gun positions and several Syrian villages. The Syrians sent up MiG jets and an all-out dogfight ensued Israel downed six Syrian MiG 21 fighters and chased the remainder all the way back to Damascus. [2]

May 13th 1967

Anwar Sadat arrives back from Moscow, primed with misinformation he gives to Nasser that Israel is massing 10-12 brigades in preparation for an attack on Syria, supposedly to take place May 17.

May 14th 1967
Israel learns that Egyptian troops have been put on alert and begun reinforcing units in the Sinai .

May 15th 1967

Israel responds by ordering some regular armoured units to reinforce the Sinai front and drafted a message to ensure Egypt understood that Israel was responding to Egyptian actions and not massing troops on its own initiative: "Israel wants to make it clear to the government of Egypt that it has no aggressive intentions whatsoever against any Arab state at all"

The dogfight of April 7th 1967
- The climactic end to the 'war for water' and the start of the Six Day War

www.sixdaywar.co.uk

Klif says, "persians are aryans... not decendants of ishmael. they are NOT semetic[sic]."

You and Zombie, who said: "The descendants of Abraham were floating around in an entirely different region ..."

Here is what I said to my rhetorical question, "(That's a joke, son ... get it? Everyone knows that they are the descendants of Japheth, not Shem ...)"

Both of you were evidently too dense to get it ...

"and palestinians i give you are part arab most likely due to the nature of the muslim culture of the area.... but they are not full blooded decendants of ishmael like saudi or yemeni arabs."

If the USA is a "melting pot", then the ME is the home of "melting" ... so take your quibbling efforts and shove them. All of the area was populated by Noah's offspring and they conquered eachother over-and-over and over again for thousands of years. They are all of them from the Fertile Crescent, originally ... if not out of Africa, too. Aryan has reference to language descent, not color or looks. Only Nazi Germans think otherwise.

"now like zombie said, their has been cross breeding over the last 1500 years... but not enough to flush out 5000 years of ethnic divergence."

That's what "liberals" do ... they confine their understanding to some heuristic point which they can use to justify their ignorance. The people of the area were hybridized over tens of thousands of years, and not just 1500 of those years!

BTW, the Noah comment was a joke, son ... but someone with normal intelligence can understand what was meant ...

they are the descendants of Japheth, not Shem

Does anyone care? Arabs and Persians are distinct groups for many reasons beyond who claims who as an ancestor.

You simply haven't got a fucking clue about the topic, and are now thrashing about because you realize that you're in over your head. Perhaps you should spend more time keeping pond scum company, tadpole. You'll find a mat of algae to be more your intellectual equal than anyone on this site.

Except, maybe, BL2.

"but someone with normal intelligence can understand what was meant ..."

i think you really have normal intelligence confused.

probably cause you hang out with a bunch of modern neanderthals.

everything you say is incorrect and apparently lacking any idea about middle eastern and asian cultures.

The melting you talk about in the USA doesn't happen in the middle east and asia, at least not at the level it does here.

Which is why they call the us the melting pot and NOT the middle east it.



AT the very least we need to stop giving Israel money.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-25 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:


Lets remember that Israel has provided the U.S. with some hefty return in the form of technology, which has resulted in massive dollars through innovation and economy stimulation:

- instant messaging (ICQ)
- firewall security software
- USB flash drive
- Intel wireless computer chips
- medical advances
- miniature video camera capsules
- the cell phone (Motorola's largest R&D center being in Israel)
- voice mail technology
- state-of-the-art surgical lasers
- fully computerized no-radiation diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
- intelligent medical sensor to track and direct instruments to an exact three-dimensional location in the heart or other organs via a real-time virtual image

There's a ton more that can be found via google, etc.

The point is, Israel is MASSIVELY important in the technology sector, and their inventions fuel our inventions (and vice versa).
You may not agree with their politics (in fact, pretty much every country has sh!tty politics in some regard), but its hard to deny Israel's importance. To cut them off would be foolish for our own economy and well-being.


Oh, and they are also the least-loony of the Middle East countries. That too.


To be clear, I'm not advocating investing in regimes that may engage in unethical activities.

I'm just saying that the conflict in Israel is waaaaaay too complex to call Party A right and Party B wrong.

Every country that exists was founded on one group taking/losing land, which is a sh!tty reality, but a reality.
In that regard, considering the economic relationship between Israel and U.S., pulling our money out would be devastating to the U.S. economy if Israel cut us off as well.

BS! Party B: Islamic/Arab/Persian efforts at genocide are WRONG!

Israel has the right of self defence, and can certainly preempt a building-up of those genocidal forces arrayed against them 100 to 1!!!

Equating terrorism and constant attacks since its inception against Israel as being "equal" to those done in self defence is not being intellectually honest.

We need to understand why Americans that have no religious ties nor are they provided with any benefit whatsoever to imperialist Israel, are forced by jack booted thugs in the USA IRS to support it without question.

If Israel needs support then those Jewish people in the USA who receive some benefit should be paying.

There is a paradigm of the ages: history repeats itself. In that regard, Jews have been attacked as a people, and quite often with the intent of genocide.

So, feeling-their-pain, the leaders of the world, after WWII decided to establish them in a "homeland", but divided to accommodate the Arabs living in ancient Israel, and by calling them "Palestinians". Of course, the term was invented in order to soothe the angry protests of the Arab neighbors, and Lebanon was ceded to independence to further assuage the Arab angst over a Jewish state.

Indeed, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon (with assistance from other Arab nations of the area) thought to attack and destroy the nation of Israel, after UN troops withdrew, and to make it all Palestine, an Arab state.

Unfortunately, for the Arabs, the US *had* supplied millions of dollars in support of Israel, and which financial aid equipped the IDF with the means to defend themself, and which they did and have done over-and-over as Arabs continue to try and destroy them; Hezbollah by bleeding them with daily injections of rockets bought and paid for by Iran ...

The US believes in freedom from attack for our allies, and assists in defending against such neolithic efforts at national genocide by religious terrorists, communists and socialist poltroons ...

... meanwhile, ignorant American leftists revile Israel for their socialist party ... because socialists need an enemy that can't fight back, and Jews have been that "target" by Nazi and Soviet, among other socialists, since before WWII in dehumanizing Jews with the help of brownshirted, jackbooted parrots who repeat the stupid propaganda fed to them by their masters, "Israel is an imperialist ... let Jews defend Jews, since we are selfish, stingy cowards who pretend we are Americans ..."

Not the original intent in the least. At least, not until it was evident that most every subject of Islam is the equivalent to the proverbial fox eager to kill the chickens for his own selfish purpose. What, praytell would YOU do if you were the chickens?
Keep in mind that the Islamic version of history is devoid of any and all valid Western historical input simply due to the fact that it was non-Muslim at the time of Muslim invasion. Libraries full of recorded history and literature, etc. were deliberately destroyed due to the mere fact they were UN-Islamic or not conducive to Islamic way of life/ and laws. Compare this with the tendency of our Western historians to accept all resources available to arrive at the Western historical perspective.
What you end up with for all Islamic nations is a significantly unilateral and skewed version of history. Not to mention they didn't even know how to write so they used messengers with verbal messages for centuries and the result of that is included in Islamic historical perspective.
There is not one mention of Israel, Palestine or Jerusalem in the Islamic prayers which are said in the mosque. Compare that with the accounts you will easily hear coming from the prayers of the Jews in Temple every Friday night for centuries now.
What you DO have consistent across time and space where Islam is concerned is hatred of the Jews. Islamic scholars have backwards engineered Islamic history to fit their deeply ingrained hatred -- as this is all they can do justify the actions they blindly take against the entire Jewish race - without even meeting a single one. Ritual , rote memory and recitation of Islamic chants and prayers is a whole lot different than KNOWING what Islam is all about according to the tripartite doctrines of the Q'uran, the Hadith and the Sira.
This is not rocket science, people, But a lot of well-meaning people do have to do a lot of INDEPENDENT investigative research to do on their own -- if they know how to.

"AT the very least we need to stop giving Israel money.
#7 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-25 02:39 PM"

Lets remember that Israel has provided the U.S. with some hefty return in the form of technology, which has resulted in massive dollars through innovation and economy stimulation:
- instant messaging (ICQ)
- firewall security software
- USB flash drive
- Intel wireless computer chips
- medical advances
- miniature video camera capsules
- the cell phone (Motorola's largest R&D center being in Israel)
- voice mail technology
- state-of-the-art surgical lasers
- fully computerized no-radiation diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
- intelligent medical sensor to track and direct instruments to an exact three-dimensional location in the heart or other organs via a real-time virtual image
There's a ton more that can be found via google, etc.
The point is, Israel is MASSIVELY important in the technology sector, and their inventions fuel our inventions (and vice versa).
You may not agree with their politics (in fact, pretty much every country has sh!tty politics in some regard), but its hard to deny Israel's importance. To cut them off would be foolish for our own economy and well-being.
Oh, and they are also the least-loony of the Middle East countries. That too.
#80 | Posted by Petro81 at 2010-01-26 03:53 PM

All of that "advancement" is bullshit - firewalls, VOIP, USB and all other technical achievements did NOT require Israeli involvement - they were proprietorially selected for contracting those projects. It should prove no wonder their human organ harvesting has advanced their ability to excise and then store the organs. Sickening.

As for "less loony" - you should really catch up on any documentary interviewing IDF - they are absolutely fanatics.

Obama signed off on a 10 billion dollar loan guarantee to Israel recently. Why?

Israel is not part of the US and the US is not part of Israel, however, if you put enough "dual-citizen" pro-Israeli people in your government, you see what happens to your "foreign policy."

The tail is clearly wagging he dog.

Israel cannot be sustained as a jewish nation due to birth rates as compared to the arabic peoples. It would be in the best interest of Israel to learn to accept the fact that they too are of middle eastern descent an not better than those they seek to discriminate against.

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