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Ray Vivier had been an adventurer, a Marine veteran and the father of five children. The 61-year-old also was a man starting to get his life back together after living for years in a shanty beneath a Cleveland bridge. He had struggled with alcoholism, but by November he had a welding job, friends and a place to stay at a boarding house. He rescued five people from that house Jan. 22 when arsonists set it ablaze -- but Vivier couldn't save himself.

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I'm glad he was buried with the respect he earned with the heroic deed he performed at the end of his life.

The people who set this blaze need to be thrown in a dark hole and left to rot. Sewage water and moldy bread would make for adequate meals.

In a rare instance, Jackass and myself find ourselves in perfect agreement on this so far.

Semper Fi, and RIP, Ray.

Thanks to those who helped him get the burial he deserves.

Semper Fi Ray.




This tale is very suspicious. Are the authorities
certain that Ray did not set the fire himself in
order to "save the day"?

The DR's gullibility is simply palpable.

Be Well.



CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland police arrested a man Tuesday morning whom they suspect of setting a house fire last November that killed four people.

Andre Williams, 46, of Cleveland was charged with aggravated murder in Cleveland Municipal Court and is accused of deliberately setting the Nov. 7 fire that killed four people in a boarding house at 1727 West 32nd St. in Cleveland.

blog.cleveland.com

Skip...you think like a cop. And I don't mean that in a good way.

"The DR's gullibility is simply palpable."

"He and three others died, and two people have been charged in their deaths."


I'd say you have a lot of nerve making wild accusations without any evidence. I hope no one does the same to you after your death.

SKIP......YOU ARE SCUM, May this brave man find the Peace in Heaven, the peace he was unable to find here on Earth.....

Skip, as a proud member of the straight community, you are a fucking idiot.

Ray Vivier, ...a Marine veteran...rescued five people from that house...when arsonists set it ablaze -- but Vivier couldn't save himself....

Once a Marine, always a Marine.

Rest in peace. You died with courage and bravery.


I agree with Skip. It seems like this guy was thinking like a typical Marine. He wanted to set up a scenario where he dies a hero. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glort so his kids will remember that instead of a homeless loser


I agree with Skip. It seems like this guy was thinking like a typical Marine. He wanted to set up a scenario where he dies a hero. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glort so his kids will remember that instead of a homeless loser

Posted by timbci


some loser ~ Jesus like

Sorry but he is a loser. The Marines have been losers throughout Us history and won only when assisted by the US Army and Navy.

Sorry but he is a loser. The Marines have been losers throughout Us history and won only when assisted by the US Army and Navy.

#14 | Posted by timbcidiot at 2010-01-24 05:04 PM

Sorry but he is a loser. The Marines have been losers throughout Us history and won only when assisted by the US Army and Navy.

You are helpless.

Ditto, ANDYUHENET

Veteran a hero in death.

Same veteran treated like shit while alive.

Our veterans are useless to us until they die and we get to wave our flags about it.

A courageous and unselfish act by a Marine.

Semper fi.

RIP Ray Vivier.

Please tell me why the Marines need to be bailed out by the Army and the Navy. If the Marines were as outstanding as they try to portray themselves, they wouldn't have needed the Navy to shell Iwo Jima for 60 days before landing on the beaches.

The Sons of the Confederacy and Stern graduates have been losers throughout Us history and won only when assisted by their mommies.

#14 | Posted by timbci at 2010-01-24 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag: FTFY

You are a fucking puke.

You are an idiot so I shouldnt reduce myself to your level, but:

Please tell me why the Marines need to be bailed out by the Army and the Navy. If the Marines were as outstanding as they try to portray themselves, they wouldn't have needed the Navy to shell Iwo Jima for 60 days before landing on the beaches.

The Marine Corps isn't built to win wars alone, neither is the Navy, Army, or Air Force. Do you have a learning disability or something? Is there any way we can help you out? Maybe some sort of pool of money to get you to community college courses in basic history or a class to just help you understand things. Of course when complex issues get brought up you will get angry and snap your pencil in half when you have no idea what is going on, but it would be worth a shot.

The Marine Corps gets (in my opinion) the least of benefits, and they do on average (again, in my opinion) the hardest work. They have the most intense basic training, they get treated like shit by their superiors, and their sign on - reenlistment bonuses are nothing compared to my Air Force benefits.

You are a fucking idiot.


The Sons of the Confederacy and Stern graduates have been losers throughout Us history and won only when assisted by their mommies.


#14 | Posted by timbci at 2010-01-24 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag: FTFY


You are a fucking puke.

#21 | Posted by hoser

OK Stern alumni are employed at every investment bank in the world. We hire our own. We are in gov't; run non-profits. Losers? I don't think so.

As forr the Sons of the Confederacy go, we are a secret organization. I have taken a death oath. You will never know our members


You are an idiot so I shouldnt reduce myself to your level, but:


Please tell me why the Marines need to be bailed out by the Army and the Navy. If the Marines were as outstanding as they try to portray themselves, they wouldn't have needed the Navy to shell Iwo Jima for 60 days before landing on the beaches.


The Marine Corps isn't built to win wars alone, neither is the Navy, Army, or Air Force. Do you have a learning disability or something? Is there any way we can help you out? Maybe some sort of pool of money to get you to community college courses in basic history or a class to just help you understand things. Of course when complex issues get brought up you will get angry and snap your pencil in half when you have no idea what is going on, but it would be worth a shot.


The Marine Corps gets (in my opinion) the least of benefits, and they do on average (again, in my opinion) the hardest work. They have the most intense basic training, they get treated like shit by their superiors, and their sign on - reenlistment bonuses are nothing compared to my Air Force benefits.


You are a fucking idiot.

#22 | Posted by andyuhene


The Marines are a bunch of drunks who have high rates of domestic violence. It would be better if the Marines were part of the Navy so they learned some manners.

As far as community college goes, you must be joking. Community College is for the middle class

It would be better if the Marines were part of the Navy so they learned some manners.

The Marines are part of the Navy.


It would be better if the Marines were part of the Navy so they learned some manners.


The Marines are part of the Navy.

#25 | Posted by goatman


No they aren't. The Marines have the own commandant and a separate command structure. If they were part of the Navy they wouldn't assault Japanese citizens

No they aren't. The Marines have the own commandant...

And who does that commandant report to? Don't know? Let me help:

en.wikipedia.org

The Marine Corps accounts for around six percent of the Military budget of the United States. The cost per Marine is $20,000 less than the cost of a serviceman from the other services, and the entire force can be used for both hybrid and major combat operations,[16] that is, the Marines cover the entire Three Block War.

en.wikipedia.org

The Marine Corps does more with less.

Yeah, as for Community College I was joking. They wouldn't take you.

Goat is right. The Marines are part of the Navy. It takes a special type of individual to be a Marine. Tough physically and Mentally. Andy is right about the Military being built to function as a team. Without this teamwork the Military wouldn't be as an effective fighting force as it is.

Yeah, as for Community College I was joking. They wouldn't take you.


I beleive community colleges would tailor made for immigrants that can't speak English and kids that went to public school. They are tailor made for the middle class.


The Marines are destroyers of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Most of the crime in tokyo is due to Marines. In fact, many bars and restaurants won't serve them. Most gays in the military are in the Marines.

Most gays in the military are in the Marines.

Upset they never tried to pick you up?

I work with a former Marine Tim. The guy can squeeze and break pliers with one hand. I believe if you said that to him you would be picking your teeth off the floor. As a former member of the National Guard I think you should be grateful to all the vets who have died agreed to die if needed to protect your right to be an ignorant ass whenever you feel like.


I work with a former Marine Tim. The guy can squeeze and break pliers with one hand. I believe if you said that to him you would be picking your teeth off the floor. As a former member of the National Guard I think you should be grateful to all the vets who have died agreed to die if needed to protect your right to be an ignorant ass whenever you feel like.

#32 | Posted by jackass


There is no such thing as a former Marine. Once you raped and pillaged, you are guilty for life

TIMBCI, you seem like a person who likes to "get people going" by coming up with incendiary remarks and then sitting back and laughing at the people who respond to your posts. Like most mind game players, if no one responded to you and you didn't get your pay-off, you would quit.

Ever notice how marines like to marry women from third world countries?

Most gays in the military are in the Marines.

You Navy guys are just going to let that stand?

"Most gays in the military are in the Marines."

You Navy guys are just going to let that stand?

#36 | Posted by snoofy


Saw this quote in #36, said to myself, "that has got to be Timmy."

Imagine my surprise.

It's okay, Timmy. Predictability is often not boring.

This is Why You Shouldn't feed the Poor and Homeless ---- they never go away and breed prodigiously!

Sincerely

A "republican" from South Carolina

Instead of focusing on a trolls denigration of marines, it might be better to focus on the problems of returning war vets and then make a decision to do something to help the situation


# of homeless veterans by state=195,827 (1 in 4 homeless are vets)
# of beds provided for homeless vets by VA=7700
www.nchv.org


# of returning war vets with PTSD=300,000+

# of war vet suicides have increased exponentially since 2003 and are 2 to 4 times the avg rate for non war vet citizens...

At least 6,256 US veterans took their lives in 2005, at an average of 17 a day, according to figures broadcast last night. Former servicemen are more than twice as likely than the rest of the population to commit suicide.

Such statistics compare to the total of 3,863 American military deaths in Iraq since the invasion in 2003 - an average of 2.4 a day, according to the website ICasualties.org.

The rate of suicides among veterans prompted claims that the US was suffering from a "mental health epidemic" often linked to post-traumatic stress.


The suicide rate among Americans as a whole was 8.9 per 100,000, but the level among veterans was at least 18.7. That figure rose to a minimum of 22.9 among veterans aged 20 to 24 almost four times the nonveteran average for people of the same age.

www.timesonline.co.uk


Army desertion rates up 80% since 2003
Updated 11/17/2007 5:16 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) Soldiers strained by six years at war are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80% increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

www.usatoday.com

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