"German commentators say it is the end of hope."

The end of Hope!??!

The end of Hope!??!

Now this Hopey/Changy thingy is beginning to make sense. People who want Obama to succeed want America to DIE!

#3 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Who are you talking to princess?

#4 | Posted by chickenrancher

It's a shame to watch these poor people finally understand what we've been trying to tell them for the last 1 1/2 years...

Change we can believe in...

LOL!!!!

Obama had a vision of extending healthcare to the less fortunate who weren't getting it before. What he didn't realize was that republicans don't give a fuck about them and never will.

#8 | Posted by jackass

Your name is appropriate! LOL!!!

The "40 million" are mostly made up of people who CAN buy health insurance and Won't buy it because they think it should be free.

They will buy a new car, live in a house that's too big, buy a boat, take a trip to Disney World,

but will NOT buy health insurance for their kids!

We call these people deadbeats!

And you want to use them in your stupid political argument. You really are a jackass!!! You fucking idiot.

Another large percentage are people who can't afford it and are eligible for Medicare but don't know how to get it. We need to direct them to it!

Only a few million can't afford Health Insuarnce because they are too rich for Medicare and have a preexisting condition.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO HELP!!!! YOU STUPID FUCKING JACKASS!!!!!

The Republicans have tried to get the Democrats to listen about forcing the states to take care of these people, but they would not.

NOW THEY WILL HAVE TOO!!!!

ObamaCare is so fucking dead.

I'm thinking of the 47 million Americans that need insurance but don't have it. I am one of the lucky ones that works at a decent job where benefits are provided. Many people are not so lucky. I want those people to get the same benefits I have.

#10 | Posted by jackass

Tell me Jackass. If you didn't have that job or you decided to work for yourself, would you buy health insurance for yourself?

I want those people to get the same benefits I have.

#10 | Posted by jackass

Where does this entitlement attitude come from?

You and me and every other person who can afford to.

#13 | Posted by jackass

Like I said before. There are millions on welfare and using Medicare.

It's already there.

But covering 40 million people who WON'T buy insurance because they have this entitlement attitude? I don't think so...

They will have to pay for it dude. Just like they pay for their new car and new boat. Sorry, but thems the facts of life.

You are not going to get hard working folk like me to pay for deadbeats.

Breakdown of the 47 million figure....

I'm with you JACK, there are not 47M without healthcare. Some are paying there own way, some are ILLEGAL, and about 12-14M that can't actually afford it. Obama could've paid all of their healthcare and it would have been WAY CHEAPER than this reform bill.

#19 | Posted by KingMe

That's right. They lie to themselves and then lie to us.

And then call us names when we don't accept their lies!

Well, thank Gd it's the beginning of the end of this debacle.

Now all we need to do is to reverse the other debacle that these idiots passes last year before they print that money and give it to their cronies sending the value of the dollar even lower.

Your numeric assertion is just as incorrect as Jackass's, maybe more so. Suppositions abound.

#21 | Posted by pragmatist

Now since I'm right you're going to start picking at the math?

ok, ok, 47 million (which Obama lowered to 30 million)

LOL!!!!!!!!!

#21 | Posted by pragmatist

people are laughing at you and you don't know it.

But you missed my point, pal. You asserted that 40 MILLION can afford to buy but won't because of an entitlement attitude.
#25 | Posted by pragmatist

Wrong. If you go back and read, you will see that I "assert" and I back it up with links that most of the [47] million have an entitlement attitude.

8 million people needing health insurance is doable

47 million (the big lie) is not!

See the difference?

But then, you probably think that anyone who is on welfare is there because they want to be.

This statement is WHY the Libs are losing. You think that Conservatives are greedy and don't give a crap about the community. You confuse the issue with bloated numbers and false claims and then call us names (like racist) and "Assert" that we are not compassionate for others when we don't agree with you.

YOU ARE WRONG! And it is showing up in most of the elections since Nov 08.

In spite of what you and Ed Shultz think, Conservatives are companionate and "give" more than Liberals do... Why? It's simple. We have more to give. Why? Because we hard working, smart, and don't give in to the lies.

I can tell by your post that you feel strongly about what you think about me because I am Conservative. That is ignorant and arrogant--the basic traits of a Redneck!

Get smart, dude.

Like I said before. There are millions on welfare and using Medicare.

#17 | Posted by Eddie

Medicaid.

#27 | Posted by matsop

you're right. ma-bad.

I've been one of those unable-to-afford people, and I know many others who have been there, too, and it has nothing to do with a sense of entitlement. But then, you probably think that anyone who is on welfare is there because they want to be.

#25 | Posted by pragmatist

Me too. You know what I did? I raised my deductible and had to negotiate with doctors.

I found that this "opting out" of the 100% covered or the co-pay environment was enlightening. You should try it. I am healthier because I was forced to do my own research on my health, asked the more intelligent questions of the providers and have a much better outcome.

Bottom line -- I am responsible for my level of health. Not the Provider and especially NOT THE GOVERNMENT!

#37 | Posted by 726 at 2010-01-22 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag: Caged Monkey throwing excrement

EDDIE! This Appalachian-American, or maybe you think "redneck," is offended by that "ignorant and arrogant" label. Most "rednecks" work hard, love America and are patriotic, respect the flag, and love mom and apple pie. If you're referring to those folks in Detroit, Philadelphia, New York City, Chicago, L.A., and San Francisco, THEY aren't rednecks.

#32 | Posted by jestgettinalong

You're right. There are people who proudly call themselves Rednecks and I respect them for the same reasons. Even though I grew up in Louisiana (East Baton Rouge) and that's a Redneck as you get in Louisiana, I am not a Redneck, but have many in my family who are as you describe. I also label this class of people as Americans.

However, I am assuming Pragmatist's point of view and what he thinks of White America and threw it back in his face -- simply, "asserting" he is a hypocrite.

#38 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-01-22 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Wiping Monkey Excrement off his face.

#39 | Posted by 726

LOL!!! Classic!

Was that a brain fart, 726?

It's funny to see 726 making fun of Palin as if the attack by the media has had any negative effect other than making Liberals appear as desperate fools.

It's so pathetic, that they don't realize how stupid they look when they repeat that same lies and exaggerations about Palin over and over again!

This is how they won the election in Nov '08.

But, thank Gd America has completely rejected the evil of the far left influenced media and we are getting our country back.

BTW, since Palin was brought in, this thread is hijacked.

It's like saying "you are a racist"

Argument is hijacked and turns into bikering.

Your messiah is a disaster, even the Germans are starting to realize that. Soon the rest of the world will wake up to this fact and be pissed at themselves for believing his crap.

#40 | Posted by chickenrancher

Actually, they don't. Most Europeans hate America because America has been so successful in the past.

Obama was a Gd-send to the rest of the world as to give them opportunity to not have to take the crumbs from the American table.

The Obama promise was to end Capitalism.

One Senate seat, not even a full term, against a woman who ran a terrible campaign and you interpret this as a complete repudiation of the Democratic agenda. Hilarious.
The Dems still hold strong majorities in both houses and the presidency.

#44 | Posted by danni

But Danni, they did so poorly so far. They are unable to accomplish anything positive -- probably is they had the correct agenda, they'd be more productive.

Here's the problem with the Dems. They actually believe that Americans want their far-left agenda. They do not.

I believe you are in denial, Danni.

Moving dysfunctional Corporatism to the Federal government is not the answer. Breaking up monopolies and giving control back to Americans is what Americans want.

Americans want jobs! They don't want this goofy Stimulas Package. Excuse me, Danni, but What the fuck was that piece of shit legislation?

Americans want a great health care system. We are sick of the Corporate style of for-profit providers. I want Doctors to make huge paychecks, not the administrators and Insurance executives.

What Obama wants to do is take the dysfunction of the Corporate-run health care and move that to the Federal Government. No! No fucking way this will ever happen!!

One election? Yes. It signals the turning point.

Now, if Obama moves toward the Center, is another complicated story by itself.

Wow! So many RNC talking points in one post! Garsh you sure showed me.

LOL!!!

When you ass is being kicked, you bring up Palin lies or call me a racist or say it's a talking point.

LOL, what an idiot you are 726?

Say something smart or go away.

"Randolph the redneck voter,
You're a victim just like me!!!!!"

#51 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

LOL!!!

"Very Funny" Flag.

Kanrei is funny. i like how he puts thought into his posts even though I almost never agree with his politics

I love how quickly some people on Obama's side are giving up. Their slogan has become "Yes We Can, But Only If It's Not Too Hard."
#55 | Posted by rcade

I see them coming back toward the center. They tried in the first year of the current administration, but I suspect that Obama will be moving toward the center and will be re-elected in 2012. If he does not he will lose. In fact, if an election were held today, he'd lose, in my opinion.

I pay $85.00 twice a year for doctor visit and paying cash(including AAA discount)for the prescription I take daily is about half what it would be under the best Insurance plan.

#62 | Posted by crispee_oc

Why don't you look into a high deductible plan? or a 50/50, high deductible? I'm 50, border-line overweight and on BP and colesteral meds. I am paying 210/month for a 2700 50/50 plan. And, then find good doctors willing to give me a good rate. It takes some getting used to, but it can be done.

To whom? It's easy to think a politician will lose when he's running against nobody,
#63 | Posted by rcade

McCain/Palin

Eddie is a fucking dickhead. Prime example of what is wrong in this country.

#68 | Posted by micawber

What kind of statement is this? You can't argue my point, so you call me names?

Is it that you are so frustrated with your own failures that you lash out at others?

Comeon! coward. say something.

McCain/Palin

John McCain will be 75 years old in 2012 and pushing 80 by the end of his potential first term. A majority of Republicans don't want Palin to run for president today. I don't see either running next time.

#67 | Posted by rcade

I said if the election were held today, not 2012. But nevermind it's a strawman anyway. I take it back.

My point is that if Obama does not move to just left of Center (Clinton), then he will not win in 2012. If he does, he will win easily.

It's still going to be a show and I really think Palin is going to run (in the Primaries, anyway). And, I won't be voting for her, but I hope she runs. It will be enormously fun to watch!

BTW, I wouldn't vote for McCain either.

I'm going to write in Ron Paul or his son.

Dear sweet irony.

#72 | Posted by 726

This makes no sense. What are you talking about?

Wishing it, doesn't make it so...

It takes one district to save America. Just don't re-elect Pelosi.

#71 | Posted by kanrei

I am surprised that the Dems are leaving her there or at least telling her to back off a little.

I just can't understand the blind and unmitigated push to get this health care bill through. It was like they were on the far side of the moon for the last six months.

#68 | Posted by micawber

I'm still waiting on why you think people like me are the problem with this country.

Let me guess at your answer:

People like me stand in the way of Socialism. We think that Capitalism under the American Constitution is the only way that humans can coexist fairly where everyone has equal opportunity. People like me also detest large for-profit monopolies set up by the government because they are too lazy to regulate something like health insurance at the state level.

12:50 MST. Is anyone listening to Obama right now with his frustration explaining his healthcare plan and why it is still a good idea? He sounds like a desperate person trying to explain something that is total bullshit

#76 | Posted by bph320

or trying to explain something when you are really fucked up, especially on pot. That shit makes you believe the strangest things.

I thought, according to the last election pundits, that John McCain was soon to die...

What's this talk about him running in 2012?

#77 | Posted by homerj

that was the Palin is a heart beat away from the Presidency. But, these dumbasses forgot that

Nobody forgot; that is just how little faith we have in Palin's ability to think her way out of a wet paper bag.

#80 | Posted by kanrei

What? Really? You really believe that or do you just hate her politics and the fact that so many people think she's got the right beliefs to run the country.

But, wait, before you answer. I would vote for her for President because I think that there are a few who has tons more experience. With that line of thinking, how'd Obama get elected?

But really, you think she's that dumb? She's not dumb, just uneducated.

Dude! Really? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

You think that Joe Biden would do a better job of running the country than Sarah Palin? Really? You suckers will say ANYTHING!!!

If you're a Bush fan, and NOTHING has changed (according to you), then what are you upset about?

#83 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

I am no fan of Neocons.

I support Ron Paul and his own and I tend to believe the same as the Tea Party.

Tell us then, why did the first tea-bagger fest take place three weeks after President Obama took office?

#85 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

To keep dumbshits like you confused...