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Muslims in many countries are increasingly rejecting Darwin's theory of evolution, under the influence of conservative elements in Islam, a science conference was told yesterday. Dr Guessoum, who is a Sunni Muslim, said that in countries such as Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia, only 15 percent of those surveyed believed Darwin's theory to be "true" or "probably true". This stand was equally prevalent among students and teachers, from high school to university. Most alarmingly, he claimed, science teachers were misrepresenting the facts and theories of evolution by mixing it with religious ideologies.

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Dr Guessoum, who is a Sunni Muslim, said that in countries such as Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia,


A little known fact....

Pakistan has more world class universities than all the Muslim majority countries combined.

When just a generation ago, we were nothing but farmers, we didn't get to do all the stuff we did by denying science. Today, we make everything from cars to submarines, to warships to nuclear attack aircraft and missiles.

Keep Pakistan out of your nonsense, Dr.Whats-your-name. LOL

BTW, Richard Dawkins is regular guest at the best Pakistani blog, "3 Quarks Daily".

3quarksdaily.blogs.com

www.3quarksdaily.com

As for Turkey, there is basically only this one guy who is behind all of the anti-Darwin movement.

Look up "Haroon Yahya".

Some of his thoughts on various other topics are damn interesting... I even agree with some his stuff... but his anti-Darwinism is just crazy.

The article mentions Adnan Oktar.

Adnan Oktar IS Haroon Yahya, the weirdo Turkish Muslim Darwin denier who for God know what reason has been pushing anti-Darwinism for 11 years now.

He does produce some interesting stuff but a lot of his writings are anti-communist, anti-democracy tracts.

My guess is that he's pushing the anti-democracy views of some pro-Turkish military faction within Turkey's own deep state elite.

Most alarmingly, he claimed, science teachers were misrepresenting the facts and theories of evolution by mixing it with religious ideologies.

Taliban meet Taibaptists.

The idea the the religious ideologues and extremists of the Muslim world have a lot in common with the their Christian extremist counterparts in the west is not a new one.

The fact that the Muslim world has their own version of the science denying, religious text inserting Creationists/IDiots in the western world is therefore as unsurprising as it is depressing.

Be Well.

The fact that the Muslim world has their own version of the science denying, religious text inserting Creationists/IDiots in the western world is therefore as unsurprising as it is depressing.


It's even more silly since the Koran supports evolution very clearly, something I was taught in school.

www.author-me.com

As far as I'm concerned, the guy who made this claim in the article (about creationists taking over), is talking out of his ass.

At least, I have noticed no such trend in Pakistan.

Allah sez, that he made us to be what we are today from something so insignificant, it wasn't even worth mentioning.

What is that, if not evolution?

Evolution is God's way to improve the species and only an idiot would deny the science behind it.

And Haroon Yahya is just such an idiot. (Good catch YS. Adnan and Yahya are indeed the same guy)

His parents took him to the loony bin where he got electric shock therapy, which was given to him by the "Illuminati" (he sez).

When he got out, he wrote like a million books, and assaulted a few women along the way.

Pakistan has more world class universities than all the Muslim majority countries combined.
......#1 | Posted by Tosser

.......does'nt seem to have helped very much......

....they're still backward................

.......does'nt seem to have helped very much......

....they're still backward................


Oh it has helped a great deal. You don't see us doing this ".............................
..............................
....................." do you? LOL

......... i can't seem to start a sentence with a capital..............


........... and I don't know what a full stop looks like................

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Christians, Muslims...WTF...wake up, have a cup of coffee, turn on the brain, think a little. It's not so bad, you'll see.

...............why............
....

................the hell...........

..........does everything I write.............

..........end up................

.......... like I need...............

.......... an enema................

Oh it has helped a great deal. You don't see us doing this ".............................
..............................
....................." do you? LOL
#10 | Posted by Tosser


......yes......I can see it quite clearly.......

Christians, Muslims...WTF...wake up


..........i don't believe.........

........this report..............

........is accurate..............

...........but what.............

.......... does a ...............

.............stupid fuck...........

..............like me.............

.............know.............
....


...............why............
....
................the hell...........
..........does everything I write.............
..........end up................
.......... like I need...............
.......... an enema................
................#13 | Posted by Tosser

....perhaps it's all the goatmeat somozas that you eat......

.......... hi...........

.........i'm skidmark...........

..........and i don't...........

..............know my.............

..........ass from my brains.............

....perhaps it's all the goatmeat somozas that you eat......


............. i can't tell..........

...........a samosa..........

...........from my turds........

"Skidmark"

..........my pal tosser.........

..........just told me..........

..........goatmeat is called.........

...........mutton.............
...

.............god, i'm...........

..............stoopid.........
.....

"skidmark"

...........but what.............
.......... does a ...............
.............stupid fuck...........
..............like me.............
.............know.............
..............#15 | Posted by Tosser

.....besides fucking goats ?......not much......

............. i can't tell..........
...........a samosa..........
...........from my turds........
#18 | Posted by Tosser

....one smells like shit, and the other comes out of your bottom.......

.....besides fucking goats ?......not much...


I was pretending to be stupid like you.

Seems you lost your sense of humor pretty fast, huh? LOL


....one smells like shit, and the other comes out of your bottom.......


..........and guess which one...........

..........i get to..........

.....eat...............

posted by skidmark

I never realized how hilarious Skidmark is. LOL

..........hi..........

.........i'm skidmark..............

...........and i'm sorry.............

..........i fell on my head.............

.........when i was............

..........a baby...........

posted by skidmark

I was pretending to be stupid like you.
......#22 | Posted by Tosser

......no need to pretend.......

..........and guess which one...........
..........i get to..........
.....eat...............
...............#22 | Posted by Tosser

......depends whether your mother cooked that day, or not,.......

......no need to pretend.......


Meaning you admit, you are stoopid. LOL

Tell us something we don't know Skiddy.

......depends whether your mother cooked that day, or not,.......


.........mommy dropped me...........

.............on my head...........

..........now she wants to..........

...........poison me...............

..........help..............

posted by skidmark


I never realized how hilarious Skidmark is. LOL
....#23 | Posted by Tosser

.......it's not just you Tosser, all of Pakistan lives in deep deprivation, cultural backwardness, and stultifying ignorance........

.....that's why we're here, to shine a little light into your abysmal, plumbing deprived life....

all of Pakistan lives in deep deprivation, cultural backwardness, and stultifying ignorance........


Is that why we don't do this?
".............................

..............................

..............................

..............................

..............................

..............................

..............................

..............................

........................" LOL

cultural backwardness, and stultifying ignorance........


Hey, Skiddy.... I believe in evolution.

You're the one who believes the earth is 6000 years old. LOL


............... oh...........

............ my god..............

.............i'm...........

........stoopid...............

posted by skidmark

...........yaba daba dooooooo...............

posted by skidmark

Hey, Skiddy.... I believe in evolution.

You're the one who believes the earth is 6000 years old. LOL

.......#31 | Posted by Tosser

.....you've got the wrong skizziks.....I'm an atheist who believes that Mohammed was full of shit......

.....and that Muslims are dumb enough to believe in flying horses......

..........flying horses.........


Given enough evolution, horses might fly.

Just like pigs flew when Obama got elected.

"Pigs will fly if Obama gets elected", some American. LOL

.....you've got the wrong skizziks.....


.......... that's what........

.........i would like..........

..........everyone to think..........

......... even though...........

..........i don't even know..........

..........the difference...........

.............between religion..........

...........and atheism.............

.........just like I..............

..........don't know the difference.........

...........my ass and my brains.............

posted by skidmark.

See, Skidmark... let me spell it out for you.

You believe in an atheism that is an absolute just like the creationists believe in absolutes and damn the torpedoes.

Believing in absolutes, absolutely, makes one get mental disease.

Get it?

You have to be flexible and open your mind to possibilities ... not believe in absolutes, like "hell yeah I know EVERYTHING!". LOL

Too bad, what I said will blow over the top of your head like a gust of cool air, being the moron you are. LOL

Given enough evolution, horses might fly.
......#35 | Posted by Tosser

.....congratulations......

....you've proven that you are stupid enough to be a Muslim........

.....congratulations......

....you've proven that you are stupid enough to be a Muslim........


Congratulations. I was arguing at your level of stupidity and I still couldn't get through. LOL

I can't get any lower.

.....sorry........ hahahahahahahahaha

All the life forms on this planet... AND BEYOND... all the millions of varieties... came about because of evolution, my dear stupido skidmark.

but I do know that there is no God, no Allah


How do you know? Can't prove it or disprove it, one way or the other.

Being an Agnostic is logical. Being an Atheist is as stupid as being a Creationist.

I told you, you won't get it.

.....sorry........
#40 | Posted by Tosser

.....don't apologize......

.....it's not your fault that you were born Paki, after all, you did'nt get a choice.......

......but those dumb Pakis will believe anything.....


But how come the Pakis aren't dumb enough to go "............................" all the time and you are? hahahahahahahahahaha

.....don't apologize......


.........mommy......

.....what is.........

.....sarcasm.........

.........i can't tell what it is..........

........even if it bit me on my ass...........

posted by skidmark

How do you know? Can't prove it or disprove it, one way or the other.
.....#43 | Posted by Tosser

......the existence of an almighty, all powerful god has been misproven.......

.....believers simply close their ears, and when presented with the proof, change the subject.......

......the proof is simple, but it's still too much for them to handle.......

But how come the Pakis aren't dumb enough to go "............................" all the time and you are? hahahahahahahahahaha
.......#45 | Posted by Tosser

.....you seem to be dumb enough.......

......the existence of an almighty, all powerful god has been misproven.......


Did you get a Nobel Prize for that Skidmark?

No?

Guess it was all in your head then. LOL

.....you seem to be dumb enough.......


Then how come you've been the butt of my jokes in this thread and the only answers you give are like you are trying to cure your constipation???


......the existence of an almighty, all powerful god has been misproven.......

Did you get a Nobel Prize for that Skidmark?
.....#49 | Posted by Tosser

.....the existence of god has been disproven through the simple use of logic, hundreds of years ago.......

......but the mullahs and priests and ministers are NOT keen to give you that information, because then they would have to get real jobs.........

Then how come you've been the butt of my jokes
#50 | Posted by Tosser

......jokes ?....

....these were jokes ? but are'nt jokes supposed to be funny ?......

....these were jokes ? but are'nt jokes supposed to be funny ?......


.....everyone else......

........ thinks........

......they were........

......funny as hell...........

.... but then.........

.........i don't get.......

........jokes that easy..........

........everything has to be..........

.......explained to me...........

.........mommy dropped me.........

..........on my head, you see.........

posted by skidmark

........everything has to be..........
.......explained to me...........
#54 | Posted by Tosser

....we understand that you are backward, but we accept you as you are, sort of a drudge affirmative action......

......we are bighearted that way......

Who cares? No matter what they reject they are still the most ignorant, and uneducated population on the Planet.

....we understand that you are backward


Skiddy... all I understand is, you are a bore and I tire of our back and forth.

You can argue with a vegetable only so much.

they are still the most ignorant, and uneducated population on the Planet.


Sez Radio-Boy, the biggest loser on DR whose radio show went SPLAT because he couldn't get his mic volume to work right. LOL

Just like Skizzy.... animal sex references. LOL

Poor sap, can't you even find a classy insult?

can't you even find a classy insult?
.....#60 | Posted by Tosser

......sure......you have no class........

.....all kidding aside, here's my final word in this debate, go to my post on this thread......

www.drudge.com

......sure......you have no class........


Really been touched in the head at some point, huh?

I said YOU have no class... as can be seen in this thread.

All you got is this "......................"


go to my post on this thread......


Oh, a shit joke?

How original... for you! LOL

Oh, a shit joke?
How original... for you! LOL
......#62 | Posted by Tosser

....original ?......no.......

.....but it's the environment you live in, so I just wanted to keep it in terms you are familiar with......

.....dumb Pakis.....everytime they hear a plane, they look up.....

.....but it's the environment you live in


No, the environment YOU live in, trailer-trash. Hell, the shit has reached your brains, boy! LOL


everytime they hear a plane, they look up.....


So you have no idea how the toilets in a plane work?

Figures.

Boring boring boring boring boring boring!

Given enough evolution, horses might fly.

We're fucked when that happens. Horse turds dropped from 500 feet can do some damage.

"Given enough evolution, horses might fly."


We're fucked when that happens. Horse turds dropped from 500 feet can do some damage.

#66 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-27 01:55 PM


Forget flying horses and what they might drop from 500 feet. It's
flying zombies we should all be worried about!

all of Pakistan lives in deep deprivation, cultural backwardness, and stultifying ignorance........

Much like the south.

Always said taliban afghanistan was one messiah short of being a conservative Christian's idea of paradise.

#69 | Posted by coolforsale130 at 2009-11-27 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you still here?

Are you kicking back profits to rogers?

Most alarmingly, he claimed, science teachers were misrepresenting the facts and theories of evolution by mixing it with religious ideologies.

Taliban meet Taibaptists.

The idea the the religious ideologues and extremists of the Muslim world have a lot in common with the their Christian extremist counterparts in the west is not a new one.

The fact that the Muslim world has their own version of the science denying, religious text inserting Creationists/IDiots in the western world is therefore as unsurprising as it is depressing.

Be Well.

#5 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-11-27 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:YYYYEEEEEAAAA. THAT JUST ABOUT NAILED IT.

Tosser, you are the most rational of the believers on this thread today.

Too bad the evangelicals and the fundees cant experience the awe and majesty of the real world as an expression of the creator.

We are truly from nothing. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust. Evolution makes perfect pragmatic sense.

Hope your country can wipe out the cultural malaise of fundamentalism.

Hope we in the West can do the same.

Hope your country can wipe out the cultural malaise of fundamentalism.


The most a fundo-party has ever got in any election, is 13% votes. LOL

No, it's not a problem in that sense.

Does this look like a fundo land to you? LOL

www.youtube.com

There is no way in hell a country can progress if it goes fundo. Look at Iran. They basically destroyed themselves. Now they can't even grow their own food and have to get it smuggled in from Pak.

I am sure the fundos get wet dreams about this or that, but as far as evolution is concerned it is supported in the Koran in black and white.

How anyone can argue against that and still call themselves Muslim, is beyond me.

The Muslims, by and large, are still in the dark ages, we got out of those dark ages except for the Christian Fundies and wingnuts. They often state "I didn't come from no monkies" and are clueless as to why that statement reveals their ignorance.

the lifesaving innovations sprouted as a result of the theory of evolution are countless. Those who don't see these contributions claim there is no evidence as they cover their eyes and ears at the same time.

The Muslims, by and large, are still in the dark ages, we got out of those dark ages except for the Christian Fundies and wingnuts. They often state "I didn't come from no monkies" and are clueless as to why that statement reveals their ignorance.

the lifesaving innovations sprouted as a result of the theory of evolution are countless. Those who don't see these contributions claim there is no evidence as they cover their eyes and ears at the same time.

The Muslims, by and large, are still in the dark ages, ..... They often state "I didn't come from no monkies"


And I am calling you an ignorant liar.

By and large, we believe in evolution. Anyone who has read the Koran has to agree with evolution. Sorry.

(When asked merely if they accept evolution, 45 percent of Americans say yes. The figure is 70 percent in China.) When the movie Jurassic Park was shown in Israel, it was condemned by some Orthodox rabbis because it accepted evolution and because it taught that dinosaurs lived a hundred million years ago--when, as is plainly stated at every Rosh Hashonhan and every Jewish wedding ceremony, the Universe is less than 6,000 years old. [Carl Sagan, _The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark_, p. 325]



The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir. [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark]

Crazy religious nutbags

" 'The Muslims, by and large, are still in the dark ages, ..... They often state "I didn't come from no monkies'


And I am calling you an ignorant liar.
By and large, we believe in evolution. Anyone who has read the Koran has to agree with evolution. Sorry.
#77 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-28 12:50 AM"


I'm not certain if that was the intent of the post: #76 | Posted by VMA224 at 2009-11-28 2:43 AM

If one reads their post carefully, the "They" refers back to "Christian Fundies and wingnuts".

Another job for America? But, don't we have enough problems on our domestic front? We've got plenty of similar fools in important positions in this country. Why can't we fix our own problems first?

Tosser - I can't explain Skizziks' anti-Pakistan rants. He's usually pretty rational. For what it's worth, most Americans have a neutral opinion toward Pakistan, neither pro nor anti. We're a little worried about its leaders, the Taliban, and what might happen if its nukes get into the wrong hands, but Pakistan is not hated here by any means. Maybe Skizziks' ex-girlfriend was a Pak who tried to poison him.

If evolution of man were true, then why don't crocodiles use the internet too?

Tosser - I can't explain Skizziks' anti-Pakistan rants.


I can.


He's usually pretty rational.


I have never known him to be rational. The most he is capable of is are a few trashy words here and there.

He's a useless chap.


most Americans have a neutral opinion toward Pakistan


Doubtful.


We're a little worried about its leaders, the Taliban


Why?

Pakistan is the only one around here who got rid of the taliban.

America can't do it since 9 years. But we did it ... and are continuing to do very well in Waziristan.

Nothing to worry about.

Pakistan is the only one around here who got rid of the taliban.

While our fucking MSM still reports that the Taliban are a threatening to take over Pakistan.

While our fucking MSM still reports that the Taliban are a threatening to take over Pakistan.


American MSM always lies.

When was the last time they told the truth?

"Pakistan is the only one around here who got rid of the taliban.

America can't do it since 9 years. But we did it ... and are continuing to do very well in Waziristan.

Nothing to worry about.
#85 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-28 09:30 PM"


Maybe.

Hopefully your statements are more reality than a wish:

www.dawn.com

Hopefully your statements are more reality than a wish


Old news and that too an opinion piece.

Try this. This will give you a better idea.

www.dawn.com

More pics after the latest taliban defeat in South Waziristan. (North Waziristan is calm right now)

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Captured taliban weapons and ammo


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.

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A Pakistan army officials shows a book of information about making explosives, recovered from a militants hideout after a gun battle in Ladha, a town in South Waziristan along the Afghan border.

New Pakistani weapon responsible for most taliban kills.

The taliban have no answer to this weapon designed for urban warfare. LOL


www.youtube.com

en.wikipedia.org

Oh and according to Americans, we designed this weapon by denying evolution! hahahahahahahahahaha

Re: #88 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2009-11-28 10:01 PM

"Old news and that too an opinion piece.

Try this. This will give you a better idea.

www.dawn.com
#89 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-28 10:13 PM"


Maybe so.

My link is from November 15. Granted it's not yesterday, but it seems a bit extreme to dismiss it as "old news".

Also, if my link is just an 'opinion piece', there's no more indication of that than your link.

Meanwhile, although your link is from Novemebr 28, it does state this:
"An official said the forces attacked militants in Bara subdivision with heavy artillery, killing 19 of them. The claim could not be verified from independent sources."

Again, hopefully your statements are more reality than a wish.

there's no more indication of that than your link.


It's an ISPR press release, dumroo. That makes if "official".

Direct from the horse's mouth. Not an opinion piece.


The claim could not be verified from independent sources."


Reporters are not allowed in the immediate area of the fighting.

But they will be in a few days or weeks as the war fighting moves ahead.

Whatever the ISPR has said so far, has turned out to be super-accurate.

So,

So all those pics I have been sending here since the last few weeks, are from reporters in the area.

But in the immediate area of fighting, they are not allowed. Taliban like going for soft targets.

ISPR = Inter-Services Public Relations.

Army, Navy, Airforce, info.

Again, hopefully your statements are more reality than a wish.


You can't win a war by a bomb here and car-bomb there.

You win by area-denial.

That is what we are doing to them in Waziristan. Their area of ops is getting smaller and smaller.

Pakistan has a large media base. Many people shit their pants when they hear, "oh taliban used a car-bomb on a building!"... and these people then write an opinion piece that sez "we are so screwed". That is how they sell papers.

However, the ISPR can't afford to lie because lies are always caught later and they will never put the army in an embarrassing position.

Which is why all newspapers and blogs link to the ISPR.

All their reports have later been verified and confirmed by independent sources. Yes, the taliban are dying and the rest are on the run.

So no need to worry.

Area-denial is progressing.

I do wonder though, if the taliban believe in evolution?

I honestly don't know! LOL

Never even asked anyone since it never crossed my mind.

Probably not...

"Reporters are not allowed in the immediate area of the fighting.

But they will be in a few days or weeks as the war fighting moves ahead.

Whatever the ISPR has said so far, has turned out to be super-accurate.

So,
#94 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-29 12:46 AM"


Your 'dumroo' comment aside, I'm aware of the ISPR.

Does your faith in them as a news source extend to these comments:

"Taliban escape South Waziristan operation
By Bill Roggio
November 26, 2009 11:37 AM

The Taliban leadership and the bulk of its fighters have eluded the Pakistani military during the current operation in South Waziristan."

and

"Not one single senior Taliban leader has been killed or captured so far," a senior official said. "I don't think this was by accident."

www.defence.pk

Taliban escape South Waziristan operation
By Bill Roggio

Yeah, I should ention, this guy Roggio is like Centcom's privatised ISPR; he doesn't lie either; but he always spins things relating to Pakistan to give them a sting in the tale. E.g, always refers to Pakistan Army victories as Pakistan Army "Victory".

Chutiya. Translation = Fucker.

Forces us into a war and when we start winning becomes a hissy bitch.

I understand your point, YS_1.

Then again, when has a war correspondent/report not utilized spin?

Is not one man's spin, another man's truth?

FWIW, here's Bill Roggio's blog:
www.longwarjournal.org

At a minimum, his blog will expand one's understanding of the geography in this area of the world.

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