34.5% of Young Black Males Unemployed

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Joblessness for 16-to-24-year-old black men has reached Great Depression proportions -- 34.5 percent in October, more than three times the rate for the general U.S. population. "Give me a chance to show that I can work. Just give me a chance," said Delonta Spriggs, 24, who is on probation for drug possession and sought job training to avoid going back to selling drugs. "I don't want to think negative. I know the economy is slow. You got to crawl before you walk.

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If it's a matter of the benefits being better than what they can make at McDonalds, then some reform is needed.

#1 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Many of them get the job and fail to show up. Attendance is a huge problem with them.

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-11-24 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Attendance is a huge problem with them."

Link, please.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-24 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Courtesy of libbies, blacks don't have jobs to begin with. White kids in suburbia get their minimum-wage increases at the expense of inner-city kids, all while the libtards rail on about how unfair it is not to give it to them.

As if businesses needed ANOTHER reason to leave urban areas, libbies just gave them the biggest one of all. My point of view is that if I'm a black kid--or anybody, for that matter--I would rather have a job at $5 an hour, than not have one at $6.50.

Still--they know best! Gobama!

#4 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-24 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Courtesy of libbies, blacks don't have jobs to begin with."

Twenty-Six Percenteese.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-24 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think the federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour now. It's no surprise that there are fewer cashiers and baggers at all the retail stores than there used to be. That means fewer jobs for young and unskilled workers.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

7.25 is still terribly low. I couldn't survive on that.

#7 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's no surprise that there are fewer cashiers and baggers at all the retail stores than there used to be. That means fewer jobs for young and unskilled workers.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 10:26 AM | Reply |

I worked in food service in High School and College, and the turn-over in those places is really high.
They are always hiring. If somebody wants a minimum wage job, it's theirs for the taking.

Every fast food place I've driven past seems to have a "Now Hiring" sign.

#8 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

7.25 is still terribly low. I couldn't survive on that.

Then borrow your way through school to make your skills and services worth more than $7.25/hour, like everyone else has to do. BTW, if you can't survive on $7.25/hour, you're doing something wrong. Having children is a choice you shouldn't be making if you don't have the money to support them, but $7.25/hour is enough to support one person.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

If somebody wants a minimum wage job, it's theirs for the taking.

I agree, based on turnover. But overall, there are less people working in those positions than there were a few years ago when the minimum wage was less, which means poorer service for consumers thanks to mandatory wage hikes.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2009-11-24 10:48 AM

Not where I was raised, 7.25 would not even pay rent in Norcal.

#11 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hopey and Changey need a job!

#12 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009-11-24 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Unfortunately for them and working American's, many of these young men derived their value and worth based on the size of their reproductive organ and the frequency of using it.

#13 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009-11-24 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

When I started working in 1968 I earned the minimum wage of $1.60/hour. That would be equal to 9.94 today.

data.bls.gov

#14 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-24 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Twenty-Six Percenteese.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
* * * *

Uh huh. But what do I care? 90+ percent of blacks voted for Obama. Let him give them a job. Obama and libbies like yourself think you can increase the minimum in an economy where even Social Security benefits are being frozen, because there's no inflation, but that employers will hire them anyway.

That kind of stupidity needs to have consequences. So, please libbies, quit pretending to care what happens to "young black males".

#15 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-24 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Attendance is a huge problem with them."
"Link, please."
#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

There is no link to personal experience and observations.

#16 | Posted by KBM at 2009-11-24 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

This must be the thread where all the rightwingers criticize black people in implicitly racist ways, but pretend they are making valid observations.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no link to personal experience and observations.
#16 | Posted by KBM

Oh, I see: Anecdotal information that cannot be sustantiated beyond whatever it is you pick up on your personal perceptual goggles. Thanks for the clarification.

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-24 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

But what do I care? 90+ percent of blacks voted for Obama. Let him give them a job.
#15 | Posted by rightisright

Could you check and see how much is left after that 8-year-long slurp at the public trough by you thirsty GOPiggies?

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-24 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

7.25 would not even pay rent in Norcal.

Wrong again. Here are a number of apartments in the SFBay area that are between 500-800/month. Granted, they may not be in the best areas, but nobody said $7.25/hour is going to get you hardwood floors, granite and a hopping nightclub scene.

sfbay.craigslist.org

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Could you check and see how much is left after that 8-year-long slurp at the public trough by you thirsty GOPiggies?

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
* * * *

Gee, Doc, I dunno. I tried, but I couldn't get through the big libtard investment banks and hedge fund, the big libtard-supported car companies, the big libtard-funded mortgage agencies, the big libtard teachers unions, and the big libtard AARPAMAAmericanBarAssociationT
ortLawyersEnviromentalist Lobbies.

Those guys are the best investors in the whole world. A couple of million dollars zipped over to some community organizer and his pals, and their payoff is over 100,000 - 1. Geniuses, they. Gobama!

#21 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-24 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

$7.25 per hour.

40 hours= $290/week

$290 x 4 = $1,160/month

Shift 9:00am to 5:00pm

That leaves time for a second job

6:00pm to 11:00pm

5 hours x $7.25 = $36.25
$36.25 x 4 = $145

Per month total = $1,305

Estimate 33% in taxes up front.

Net $874.35 per month.

Corson county is pretty cheap in South Dakota.
Average housing per the Census is under $550 a month and that includes utilities.

That leaves $324 to pay for food and a car.

www.tiffanyinsurance.com

$554/year average car insurance. So, $46/month for car insurance.

That leaves $278/month for food and gas. Figure $30/week on gas, at $120/month, leaves $150 for food.

$150/month for food.

If you cut out the Internet, Cigarettes and Alcohol, the latest in Cellphones and Large TV's, eating out...

It is possible.

It is also possible to work more hours on weekends.

Imagine working 8 more hours on Saturday @ $7.25/hour.

That's $58. x 4 = $232/month. minus 1/3 for taxes, leaves $155.

Add that $155 to the $150/month makes a nice $305/month for food - or maybe put some away in a savings account.

#22 | Posted by Petrous at 2009-11-24 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

The average person making minimum wage is usually not living on their own let alone supporting a family. Additionally, anyone with their salt would get a increase after a few months. These are entry level positions - rarely a 'career'.

#23 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-11-24 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much does a meal at Popeyes cost?

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

This must be the thread where all the rightwingers criticize black people in implicitly racist ways, but pretend they are making valid observations.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag

Couldn't figure out a way to spin 34.5% unemployment rate amongst the africanus americanus, huh?
Aren't facts a mother fucker?...And racist too!

#25 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing to spin. Times are tough. And they are even tougher for some groups than others. Get over it.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it tougher for a black man to get a job flipping burgers but not for a white man?

No education required, simply work ethic, and pride, or lack there of.

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's hear your explanation. I'm actually interested to hear it.

#28 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Estimate 33% in taxes up front.

Why would you estimate that? Someone making minimum wage likely pays close to zero in income taxes over the course of a year depending on exemptions, and they likely receive a boatload of tax credits in April that result in a federal return that exceeds whatever they paid in FICA and state taxes.

That leaves $324 to pay for food and a car.

And in many areas you do not need a car. Pay $80/month for the train/bus and you are set.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's hear your explanation. I'm actually interested to hear it.

#28 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:05 PM | Reply

Why are you dodging the question? You're the one that claimed it was tougher for some groups (blacks). I asked why you think that.

Why do I have a feeling you're afraid to follow through on this...

#30 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

And in many areas you do not need a car. Pay $80/month for the train/bus and you are set.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 02:08 PM | Reply |

Not to mention you could save that $80 simply by working at a minimum wage job you could walk to.
There are gas stations, restaurants, pizza joints, McD's, etc everywhere with-in walking distance.

#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that racism certainly plays a role. Many (white) store owners would rather have white people working for them than black people. I'm just not sure to what degree. For example, if you were a storeowner Chairborne, I suspect (but of course can't prove) that all things being equal you would be more likely to hire a white person than a black person.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now let's hear your explanation.

#33 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag: SO FULL OF CRAP I RESEMBLE A BACKED UP TRUCK STOP TOILET

#34 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mod is simply trying to apply or should we say reapply racism again.....

This one is a one....no two trick pony.

It is hate or racism or both. Too bad Mod is the one displaying it most often.

Typical.

#35 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bullshit. $7.25 will not support you unless you sit in the dark, eat all your meals at fast food places. Will not cover the cost of transportation (more than just gas and insurance).
That so many think it is okay to work, but not have anything to show for it but a severe and very basic survival.
As for the employment numbers, I know just as many young white boys not working. Also, I know many males in their late 20's, early 30's, that are unemployed. Telling them to go into debt for some bullshit schooling is not an option when your primary needs are food, shelter and transportation now.
I know of warehouse and order picker jobs going unfilled because they now require an associate degree, same for cs, and some builders wont look at your resume, if you dont have it as well. As for fast food, many places are not hiring, grocery chains as well. Used to see a differant face at the gas station every few weeks, not any more. I know truck drivers that have changed jobs several times in the past year because they are not making money, no freight.
Problem really is this: No one wants to pay for the shit they take for granted, whether food production, manufacturing, construction and the like. Which, by the way, are the jobs that must be done before many of you would even have a chance to be employed as ass sitters, pushing paper or other peoples money.
And, point of fact, many of you couldnt do the really hard, required work of a society. It isnt in you. You lack the drive, dedication(try working outdoors in -5 for 5 ten hour days), or a slaughter house, packing plant or even an 120 degree manufacturing plant.
From my experience, most of you fail to return from lunch by the 3rd day, even when the pay is $15-$20 an hour. Hell, most of you look like you're having a heart attack climbing stairs.

#36 | Posted by gitmboy at 2009-11-24 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

$7.25 will not support you unless you sit in the dark, eat all your meals at fast food places.

Buying healthy food at the grocery store costs less than eating fast food every meal. Since this is the first sentence of your post, I can only imagine how stupid the rest of it is. Maybe someone else will read it.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Okay Chapel. What is your explanation. I would love to hear it, while I wait to hear Chairborne's explanation as well. The truth is, I don't think you have one.

#38 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chairborne? Chapel? Still waiting.

#39 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect (but of course can't prove) that all things being equal you would be more likely to hire a white person than a black person.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:36 PM | Reply |

I'd hire the best man/woman for the job. If the job required no skill I'd hire the most aggressive/motivated person that was looking to learn.
White, black, hispanic, it would matter not. As long as they weren't Italian.

#40 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chairborne? Chapel? Still waiting.

#39 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 02:54 PM | Reply

Wait no more!
I think it's a cultural "pride" (really lack there of). They'd rather sit around and do nothing than wear a McD's uniform.
The lack of father figures to instill that pride and work ethic is a major part of it, IMO.
Not to mention it's common place in their "community", and there's nothing to be ashamed of in collecting governement bennies. Why bust your ass making minimum wage when the governement will coddle you?

So I do believe it's because they are black that they aren't actively seeking work. I don't think it's a "smarts" thing, just a cultural thing.

#41 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't forget the politicians who are willing to 'assist' them in order to build a power base. All that govm't education at work. The NEA is helping to write the script.

#42 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009-11-24 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So I do believe it's because they are black that they aren't actively seeking work."

Thank you. An honest answer that speaks for itself. I'll leave it to each individual to evaluate that answer for themself. (You probably can guess my fairly strong thoughts on it.)

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

As long as they weren't Italian.
#40 | Posted by 101Chairborne

mama mia!

#44 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-11-24 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

mama mia!

#44 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-11-24 03:10 PM | Reply

I occasionally switch it up (german, asian, polish, etc) but there seems to be an over-abundance of WOPs that post here, so I get more bang for my buck with that one.

#45 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

You probably can guess my fairly strong thoughts on it.

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 03:06 PM | Reply |

Of course I can, because you're a limpwristed liberal.
Speaking the truth is never acceptable to you tools when race is involved. You'd rather coddle the communities destructive bahviors than speak about them.

Lack of father figures and lack of role models is a huge factor in the 34.5% unemployment rate. As well as a lack of pride, and willingness to be coddled by government.
It's a cultural thang, but that bothers you.

#46 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Add in the government dole and drug dealing instead of a reported job.

#47 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

You probably can guess my fairly strong thoughts on it.

I can't. Please share them.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those guys are the best investors in the whole world. A couple of million dollars zipped over to some community organizer and his pals, and their payoff is over 100,000 - 1. Geniuses, they. Gobama!

#21 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-24 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag

Surprised your head don't blow up. You've been unhinged since Obama took office.

#49 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-11-24 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

And lol what is this 40 hours a week at $7.25 crap?

Most jobs that are obtained at this rate, do not offer full time. Because to do so in many states would also require extending healthcare coverage as well.

#50 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-11-24 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#40 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 02:58 PM | Reply |

YOU LIE!

#51 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-11-24 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

No education required, simply work ethic, and pride, or lack there of.

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 01:52 PM | Reply |

Why sell you a cheeseburger for 5 dollars, and make 0, when I can sell you a bag of dope for 50 dollars and make 30.

The notion that 1/3rd of young black males being out of work I would think is not quite true. They find other avenues of employment. Dope dealing, stealing, etc.

#52 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-11-24 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

The notion that 1/3rd of young black males being out of work I would think is not quite true. They find other avenues of employment. Dope dealing, stealing, etc.

#52 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-11-24 03:53 PM | Reply

I don't think they corner the market in dealing drugs and stealing. There are more whites than blacks that do it.

I'm not trying to be over the top with my assessment of why the number is at 34.5%. I believe the issues I listed are major factors. I some how doubt dealing weed and stealing copper plumbing contribute much to the number.

#53 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

If people like Knighthawk would get off their ass and invest in the Obama economy, we wouldn't be seeing headlines like this anymore. If they make for such good employees for the money, then offer them jobs.

Let us know how that all goes. How many people have you hired, Knighthawk, since Obama took office? And how many of them are black?

#54 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-24 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's all about that mainstream Rap music, I think, that has crushed the hopes of young people. Almost all major Rap icons are bad influences on the youth. The coveted bling is unattainable for so many, the kids (to obtain "street cred") revert to crime. If America bans hurtful & negative Rap music from travelling the radio/TV waves then we might see an improvement.

They used to rap about shoes, clothes, and the music, dancing and having a good time. Now (and for some time), all I see is money, cars, women/sex, gangs, diamonds and gold. The priorities of the message have changed. Fortunately, the true ideas of hip-hop have remained underground and will stay there due to their non-commercialized stance.

#55 | Posted by phys_ill at 2009-11-24 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

and you people spend your days in dialog with this tripe

what a waste of life, but maybe I'll pop back in in 6 months and see how its going

#56 | Posted by Repugnant at 2009-11-24 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

THIS, I believe can all be linked to larger issues

education for one.
and does it also matter that the rate of unwed mothers in the black community have something to do with it.....I am NOT ragging on black single mothers but instead talking about the HARD job they have when their education may be lacking as well.

is this an institutionalized problem and not one that can be fixed with a check every month???

#57 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-11-24 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

SHIT

FORGOT my goddamn democrat attack

so since black men have been voting democrat for years and years..
why hasnt this problem been fixed....surely all of those feel good libs and the great society people took care of this????

#58 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-11-24 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | POSTED BY GITMBOY AT 2009-11-24 02:41 PM |

You are right, I used to do back breaking labor in a paper factory. Hand packing the back of trucks because we could fit more than just loading it in with a fork lift. I was paid 8.50 an hour. I did it for 3 months. I stayed as long as I could but I couldn't wait to quit. You would have to be really down on your luck to do something like that.

#59 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

AFK, you're exactly right.

the war we need to get out of is the "war on poverty". we keep throwing more and more money at it and it just keeps getting worse

#60 | Posted by Maverick at 2009-11-24 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

so I wonder if maybe giving more black males "CHOICE" in thier education might help instead??????

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

forgot...libs who convulse over a woman not being able to CHOOSE to snuff out innocent life in the womb want NO PART OF choice in education..

never mind

#61 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-11-24 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

back in 1982 my first job offer was "I'll pay you a $150 a week and all the water you can drink". I remember thinking, what am I going to do with all that money?

#62 | Posted by Maverick at 2009-11-24 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reparations!!!!!

#63 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-11-24 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

my first teaching job I pulled down a whopping 6900

NOT A MONTH but the year

and I had a nice apt and a nice car and spending money........

and then CARTER WAS ELECTED and that same amount didnt buy squAT.......HEE HEE

#64 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-11-24 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing to spin. Times are tough. And they are even tougher for some groups than others. Get over it.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Sounds 'implicitly' racist to me. Are you a 'righty'?

#65 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-11-24 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mod is more racist than anyone here.

Just uses it in PC manner.

#66 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Niceville is racist too but he isn't smart enough to make it PC.

#67 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag: REAL NAME IS ACTUALLY DUMBASS

LOL. What a line from the resident cretin.

#68 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Niceville is the resident hypocrite. Loves to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Does his BS religion a disservice.

#69 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

education is a whitey thang

#70 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-11-24 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag: FANCY MYSELF A PSYCHIC CRETIN

#71 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing is gonna change in the black community until the black folks do one thing. Turn in the Law-Breakers. Stop protecting them.

I'm talking about the real criminals, not the teenager that slips behind his grandma's house and smokes a joint. I'm talking about that guy that lives down the street that deals in guns and violence.

We have had several killings of promising and educable young black men recently. Killed by other black men. Black men that show promise are the object of ridicule by the gangsters. Until this stops, and is stopped by and within the black community, we will continue to have two things;

1) General distrust of black men based on the examples we can see (dead smart black men and the dangerous stupid black men that killed them).

2) Lack of opportunity and investment into communities by entities that would otherwise happily do so. A merchant will take a black person's money as easily as a white person's, but he won't open a store in an area where there is a 100% of getting robbed.

#72 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-11-24 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

And BTW, thanks for agreeing Mod is racist.

Maybe there is hope for you yet.

#73 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-24 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

worked 12 to 12 six days a week in a pool hall for 15 dollars a week and glad to get it.

#74 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-11-24 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sem were you in prison or alive during the civil war? 15 bucks a week?

#75 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Attendance is a huge problem with them."
"Link, please."
#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

There is no link to personal experience and observations.

#16 | Posted by KBM

I've noticed (no link) that blacks with some education have as good an attendance records as comparable whites---the reason that some posters may feel it's a particular problem for blacks is possibly equated to education patterns with lower levels of education probably on a % basis higher for blacks---Any comments?

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#77 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2009-11-24 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it tougher for a black man to get a job flipping burgers but not for a white man?

No education required, simply work ethic, and pride, or lack there of.

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-24 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Classic.

Don't forget about the Jews too! Why are whites better than them? Irish? Italians? Portugese? Natives? Muslims? The [Race/Color/Creed] are all lacking what white christians have......ummmmm yeah.

#78 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2009-11-24 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm in a position to hire people. I would be happy to hire any number of young black men it only it was in my power to fire one middle aged black man.

#79 | Posted by Kspeck3 at 2009-11-24 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Joblessness for 16-to-24-year-old black men has reached Great Depression proportions -- 34.5 percent in October...
...who is on probation for drug possession and sought job training to avoid going back to selling drugs.

Gotta hate making those career changes.

#80 | Posted by Tedly at 2009-11-24 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bullshit, 18-24 year olds are at 50% unemployment.

#81 | Posted by nutcase at 2009-11-24 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goldman Sachs (GS) announced last week that it is...to launch 10,000 Small Businesses, a $500 million initiative aimed at assisting low-income entrepreneurs.

Oh great now we have to bail them out AGAIN!!!

#82 | Posted by Tedly at 2009-11-24 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is it race related, or is it politically related? Is there a connection between the fact that most of these unemployed blacks live in Democratic-governed communities. I'm certain it's Bush's fault, but the vast majority of urban communities are run by Democrats, working off the liberal/social playbook. Welcome to the new world order of Obama and Liberal Victim politics.

#83 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2009-11-24 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see the racists have finally found a thread they can feel comfortable in. Have at it Chapel and Spokanejim. It's yer big moment. Un-fucking-believable.

#84 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-11-24 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dear Mr. Moder8, please tell me one thing in the few words that I posted that were racist? Anything. It's amazing that closed minded fucks like you automatically scream racism whenever someone disagrees with you. You have no idea what my race is, or what I believe. So please, explain yourself.

#85 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2009-11-24 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just another exxample of The Man keeping a brother down with a boot to the back of his head, facedown, in the crick.

#86 | Posted by briwo at 2009-11-24 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Learn how to speak english that other people can understand and stop dressing like a thug that inherited clothes 20 sizes too big, and maybe I'd hire you.

You wanted to stand out with your bling and your ghetto speak and your baggy pants and loud ghetto cars and your window shattering gangsta rap, now you get to reap what you've sown. Tough.

#87 | Posted by unklegwar at 2009-11-24 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh yeah, and define "unemployed" and then take a look at your cracker ass in the mirror.

White boys ain't shit.

#88 | Posted by briwo at 2009-11-24 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Slavery ended 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it.

#89 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2009-11-24 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unemployment among young black males was always excessively high. Drug laws destroyed their families. The government run school systems are inferior. And unemployment laws priced them out of the market.

#90 | Posted by Ray at 2009-11-24 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow! Doesn't this thread make you proud to be an American! (Not!)

#91 | Posted by mad_as_hell at 2009-11-24 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

White boys ain't shit.

#88 | Posted by briwo

But we're paying Federal and State taxes.

#92 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-11-24 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

But we're paying Federal and State taxes.

Well, actually Texas white boys don't pay state income taxes.

#93 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-24 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Drug laws destroyed their families. The government run school systems are inferior. And unemployment laws priced them out of the market.

#90 | Posted by Ray at 2009-11-24 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ray demonstrates the real issue by claiming they have no personal responsibility in any of this. It is all someone else's fault.

Stupid is as stupid does.

#94 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009-11-24 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

15% real employment, and while the US economy crumbles, the criminals in Washington are partying. Anyone watching the parade of crooks going into the WH to entertain the Indian dude? Why in the hell are Katie Curic and Sanjay Gupta being entertained with my tax dollars? I thought they were journalist. This just shows they are not journalist but entertainers.

#95 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009-11-24 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

MidTown,

What is wrong in what Ray posted? Yes a black man can rise up but the fact is they have to rise a lot farther than a white person, and many of the reasons cited are why they have to rise farther. Screaming personal responsibility is great but if there were not farther for blacks to climb then it would not be an issue. Look at trailer trash, I wonder what unemployment is like in a trailer park? Same problem different race.

#96 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2009-11-24 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ray demonstrates the real issue by claiming they have no personal responsibility in any of this. It is all someone else's fault.
Stupid is as stupid does.
#94 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNCOWBOY

Families broken up by drug laws. Bad school systems. Priced out of the market. That's a calloused attitude.

#97 | Posted by Ray at 2009-11-24 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're paying to lock the Black Texas Savages up. Think about it.

#95 | Posted by wisgod

what's the downside?

let'em free range?

in your city?

om your block?

#98 | Posted by RODEGLIDE at 2009-11-25 02:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it tougher for a black man to get a job flipping burgers but not for a white man?

No education required, simply work ethic, and pride, or lack there of.

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Isn't so-called black entertainment at least partially to blame?

As long as Hollywood continues to portray young black men as nothing but thugs...

...who only want to wear your wife's jewelery and inpregnate your teenage daughters...

...then young black men will continue to be viewed that way by many who might...

...hire them.

Ring, ring, ring... "You called Harpers. What up nigga?"

There's your problem.

#99 | Posted by BENDOR at 2009-11-25 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

think that racism certainly plays a role. Many (white) store owners would rather have white people working for them than black people. I'm just not sure to what degree. For example, if you were a storeowner Chairborne, I suspect (but of course can't prove) that all things being equal you would be more likely to hire a white person than a black person.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at

And you expect Whites to somehow become super-human and simply ignore human instinct?

All races have a natural affinity for members of their own race.

Why do I see blacks working in black owned stores, Asians working in Asian owned stores, Latinos working in Latino owned stores, etc.?

Human instinct combined with perceptions, thanks in no small way to Hollywood, of young black men, results in huge unemployment numbers whenever the available labor pool increases (unemployment increases).

Blacks continue to have a perception problem...

...and why it remains a mystery to me that they tolerate Hollywood's criminal depiction of their entire race.

#100 | Posted by BENDOR at 2009-11-25 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Pimping jobs and crack sales are down...

#101 | Posted by reinsurelaw at 2009-11-25 09:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

We all know of one more black male who should be unemployed. Unfortunately, he's under contract at least through 2012.

#102 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-25 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"We all know of one more black male who should be unemployed. Unfortunately, he's under contract at least through 2012."

He finally got his first Real job in his late 40's.....makes sense he can't handle a bit of it correctly.
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#103 | Posted by 2008ATL at 2009-11-25 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

...and why it remains a mystery to me that they tolerate Hollywood's criminal depiction of their entire race.

Hollywood is only giving the people what they want. The immature fucks we call "Kids" have all the money they need to attend movies that glorify the gangsta lifestyle. To hell with education, honest work, and morals.
Why wouldn't Hollywood produce these kinds of movies?
Oh wait...maybe we should look closer to home. Mom, Dad, where are you?
Wait, I have an idea. Let's taint the water supply with birth control chemicals and when you reach the age of 25 and receive a parenting license we give you the antidote. Go figure, you need a license to drive but not to breed.

#104 | Posted by Tedly at 2009-11-25 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hollywood is only giving the people what they want.

#105 | Posted by Tedly

Of course you're correct.

But why does the community they so terribly malign allow them to continue depicting them...

...as thugs, criminals, bastards, and drug dealers?

Is Bill Cosby the only black man in America that see's this?

It's not right and the black community needs to stand up against it...in my view at least.

#105 | Posted by BENDOR at 2009-11-25 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think there is a typo here...

"34.5% of Young Black Males Unemployed" Hmmmm...

should it be...

"34.5% of Young Black Males Unemployable"...

#106 | Posted by yougothurt at 2009-11-25 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"7.25 is still terribly low. I couldn't survive on that."

if you can't survive on that, how can you possibly expect to survive on nothing?

"The average person making minimum wage is usually not living on their own let alone supporting a family. Additionally, anyone with their salt would get a increase after a few months. These are entry level positions - rarely a 'career'."

The BLS has all sorts of metrics on who works what jobs. I understand that it has probably changed a little, but back in 2007 there were approximately $550k single income americans that were reliant on minimum wage jobs. That's approximately .1% of the total population. that probably speaks more about the worker than the working conditions...

#107 | Posted by madbomber at 2009-11-25 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

7.25 is still terribly low. I couldn't survive on that.

#7 | Posted by jackass

Maybe not, but many people earning minimum wage still live at home and have less bills and responsibility than others. I don't know the numbers but I would suppose that a majority of people earning minimum wage have other means of supporting themselves.

#108 | Posted by everlong at 2009-11-25 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing to spin. Times are tough. And they are even tougher for some groups than others. Get over it.

#26 | Posted by moder8

Why is it that almost every fast food drive thru I go to there is a black person working the window and others in the back? If you ask me, it's the illegal aliens who are taking the lower paying jobs from black people. At fast food restaurants the workers are either black or Hispanic.

#109 | Posted by everlong at 2009-11-25 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not counting drug-dealers, full-time robbers, and ACORN employees.....

#110 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-11-25 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

7.25 is still terribly low. I couldn't survive on that.

#7 | Posted by jackass

Of course not. You have 200K in student loans and are planing on going to law school next year. lol..

You really should look into the job at Disney. It pays better than minimum wage and you can get spousal insurance for your long time companion.

#111 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-25 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Telling them to go into debt for some bullshit schooling is not an option when your primary needs are food, shelter and transportation now."

Uh, actually the best way to acquire large sums of money, especially for a poor person, would be to get accepted into and attend college. Once you express your desire to attend college the government immediately begins to offer you money. If you are of any means, it might be loans, but the poorer you are, the better the terms get. You might not even have to pay it back.

So, if you really need money for food and lodging now, the best option may be to go to college. It's also going to have the unintended side effect of making you a higher income earner on the backside.

"No one wants to pay for the shit they take for granted, whether food production, manufacturing, construction and the like."

Actually, people are perfectly willing to do so. If they weren't they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. What people don't want to do is pay higher than market rate just so that someone else can enjoy a higher standard of living. Because whatever standard of living increases the producers or manufacturers realized would mean a correlating decrease in purchasing power for consumers. And being rational, consumers will always want to maximize their own purchasing power. This is why consumers have made Wal Mart the most successful company in History.

#112 | Posted by madbomber at 2009-11-25 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

34.5% of Young Black Males Unemployable"...

#107 | Posted by yougothurt

I think you hit the nail on the head. HArd to get a job when you drop out of school or are a gangbanger.

#113 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-25 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Democrats economic polices are a shell game for the poor, because they are the ones that get hurt the most.

The Democrats are driving up the cost of living which hurt the poor the most and affect the unemployment rate.

Companies are not going to hire as long as the Democrats are threatening a big intervention into the free market.

#114 | Posted by 90c2cab at 2009-11-25 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

IMO, there are 2 possible solutions for young black men (and quite frankly any other un-empoyed individual) to solve their plight. :
1)move to where the jobs are..that means you got to get out of Detroit or Chicago and out from under mommas skirt and,
2)get an education....it means your going to have to work your ass off to qualify for a job along with everyone else and then your going to have to work your ass off even more to get and keep the job ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

#115 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2009-11-25 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here's my true take on this. If someone is making minimum wage at the age of 22 or greater then it is their own fault. We all start out at minimum wage. Well, most of us do. Then, as we get older and more educated and more experienced we begin to get higher paying jobs. If you are stuck at the minimum wage level it is your own fault and no one else's.

I'm sick and tired of people blaming society or the government for this issue. If someone lacks the determination and will to better themselves and thus make more money, they have only themselves to blame. And the minimum wage is high enough for the people who should be earning it. Those being people who still live at home or still have help from their parents. And I realize not everyone gets help from their parents and they are the ones who should be doing everything they can in order to earn more.

With government grants for school available to almost any minority and trade schools, there is absolutely no reason why anyone can't move up in wages.

#116 | Posted by everlong at 2009-11-25 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

If somebody wants a minimum wage job, it's theirs for the taking.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-24 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag

If anyone is proof that you can survive on nothing at all, it is you.

Still no job?

#117 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-11-25 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

republicans are to blame.

#118 | Posted by somoco at 2009-11-25 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Elect another black ass President that will solve all the blacks problems...

#119 | Posted by Dr_Feelgood at 2009-11-25 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I smell China town everywhere

#120 | Posted by cmsa1r at 2009-11-26 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

As Bruce Hornsby sings...

GET A JOB

#121 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-11-26 08:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

GET A JOB

In a job market that is shrinking, it's a game of musical chairs.

Granted, there are the lazy among the unemployed. Everlong shows a complete disregard for the social and government factors that destroyed the job market.

#122 | Posted by Ray at 2009-11-26 08:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

You would have to be really down on your luck to do something like that.

#59 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-24 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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What an arrogant, lazy, dumbass.

Doesn't have a clue as to how his bread gets buttered.

How in the hell do you think you get your cheap goods and services?

Let the mesicans do it, right, jackass?

#123 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-11-26 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Companies are not going to hire as long as the Democrats are threatening a big intervention into the free market.

#115 | Posted by 90c2cab at 2009-11-25 12:39 PM

Don't worry. Card check will strighten all this out.

Amazing that people who can't find a job aren't even smart enough to sell themselves to mow grass, paint fences, pick up garbage or a plethora of other chores home owners would be willing to pay for somehow think they have the answers to markets.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Card check.

#124 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-11-26 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ray, these communists will never understand that government (central planing) is the problem.

I'm a small businessman and am more regulated today than 15 years ago, and it increases daily.

#125 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-11-26 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

"When I started working in 1968 I earned the minimum wage of $1.60/hour. That would be equal to 9.94 today.
data.bls.gov
"

but take into account what the minimum wage earner gets today in federal and state aid. Take into account everything from food stamps, grants for education tax credits for almost everything. There are so many welfare programs available that needs to be calculated in addition to the minimum wage

#126 | Posted by bph320 at 2009-11-26 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

JOBS??? JOBS???? Why fo you think deh need go woke? Missuh Bmama be payin' deh mogage an puttin' gas in deh cah. An' you know you kain't be cawlin' yoself black if you ain't suppotin' dat free gubment healf care. Why woak when deh be a perfectly good honkey be woakin' tah pay fo yeh?

#127 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-11-26 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

LO-fucken-L at the knee-jerk racist comments! "I'm just telling it like it is, durrrr, it's racist because it's true, duhhhhhht"

#128 | Posted by Scrumplet at 2009-11-26 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

As I read most of the post I have to laugh at both sides.

Joe is just out in left field living in some other world of reality but that has always been the case for him.

The stupid lefties along with the righties suggest getting a better education. Well how nice, the only problem there is is there actual jobs available out there for those who do get education.......NOT.

It is far cheaper for the economy to be rid of those jobs dealing with true unskilled low pay than to be rid of the skilled well paid. Governmental thing and revenue outflow.

#129 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-11-26 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

When in doubt: Blame Bush.

#130 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-11-26 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag: