ACLU Sues Over Anti-Islam T-Shirt School Suspensions

Monday, November 23, 2009

After students in Alachua County, Florida, were suspended for wearing "Islam is of the Devil" T shirts in a campaign instigated by the evangelical Dove World Outreach Center, the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida has filed a federal lawsuit against the school district for unlawfully censoring students' free speech rights. The lawsuit asks the court to find the school policies on banning "offensive dress" unconstitutional.

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Apparently, this "branch" of the ACLU in Florida has been infiltrated by lawyers who possess both the God gene and the Reich-nut gene.

clearly, this cannot stand. and, Bong Hits For Jesus was robbed!

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-23 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

islam is of the devil?

nanc designed the shirts?

#2 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-23 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

dove world outreach center?

world outreach??

lololol morons

#3 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-23 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I used to be absolutely against the ACLU. They defended Rush during his drub abuse toils and also consistently defend free speech no matter the opinion.

Either way, whoever wears shirts like this are intentionally getting rises out of people and have serious attention needs issues.

#4 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-23 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

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#5 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-23 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

tudents in Alachua County, Florida, were suspended for wearing "Islam is of the Devil" T shirts in a campaign instigated by the evangelical Dove World Outreach Center

Step 1 of world outreach: piss everyone off.

#6 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-23 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the cycle continues. I'm sure they'd love some of these T's down at the local Jihadi recruitment camp: "See? They do hate us. It's up to you to fight against them."

I don't understand how the ACLU can protect this as free speech. It feels like incitement of hate to me and I'm sure it would to a first year Muslim kid too. They could've settled on the standard ol' Jesus Saves slogan.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2009-11-23 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just visited their website, SCARY.

But them again, radical Muslums sacre me as well.

I can't wait for sharia law to come to the good ol' USA.

#8 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Students don't have free speech rights!!! *sarcasm*

They should all be forced to wear uniforms and knock off all the crap about a dress code.

The t-shirts are wrong--to wear in school that is.

Just like the color blue and red--can't wear those either.

#9 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-23 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

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#10 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

ok righties... start your bitchin'

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whoever said $3.00 Aldi wine isn't potent?

#5 | Posted by andyuhenet

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#12 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

where you at Miss Lisa???? Oorah??? wheel CHAIRBORNE?RisR??

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

where you at Miss Lisa???? Oorah??? wheel CHAIRBORNE?RisR??

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Oh ye sad little man....

#14 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-23 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

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#15 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-23 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The phrase Islam is of the devil sounds offensive by definition as a given.

ACLU has their place but at times when they go off like this or when they are supporting the nazi/KKK hate speech I depart from agreement with them.

#16 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-11-23 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh ye sad little man....

#14 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-23 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

is that a weak attempt at an insult?

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chick, I've got a new found respect for you.

Us Cisco drinkers have to stick together.

Hey, you little bastards get off my lawn. And stay off, goddamn it!

Fuck, my head hurts.

#18 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2009-11-23 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 | Posted by Monstman

I see that you want the ACLU to "go off" on liberal ideals only?

I am a conservative, but I think what these kids were wearing was unaccepable.

#19 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2009-11-23 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Dude, how the hell are you?

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | Posted by silver_ironist

Thanks for the laugh....... The Bats, someone help me, the're everywhere

#21 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh ye sad little man....

#14 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-23 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lemme get this straight... the ACLU sticks up for Const. rights and I'm a "sad little man" OK i see where this is going .... dumbass...

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am a conservative,

#19 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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"I'm a W. Apologist" TFIFY

#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Do they, or are they trying to rewrite it?

#24 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm a W. Apologist" TFIFY

#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Deflection, I love it.

#25 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Deflection, I love it.

#25 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-23 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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yeah right .... please do try again chicken rancher...

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-23 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 POSTED BY MONSTMAN: ACLU has their place but at times when they go off like this or when they are supporting the nazi/KKK hate speech I depart from agreement with them.
The purpose of the ACLU is to bring cases such as this to the courts and to fight for them vigorously. Only then do we find out ultimately what 'rights' are really consistent with our highest law. Our 'rights' aren't just what feels good to you. They are what are defined (as interpreted by courts) in our legislation and constitution.

#27 | Posted by mad_as_hell at 2009-11-23 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

from the article -

...students went to school wearing shirts with "Jesus answered I am the way and the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father except through me'"...on the front and "Islam is of the Devil"on the back....

I stand where I've always stood on this issue -- a school has the absolute right to enforce its own dress and moral codes on its students during school hours and/or while on school property.

The ACLU is nuts if it thinks teenagers have a freedoom of speech right to wear t-shirts with any slogan or picture on it the student feels like wearing if it is deemed outside the boundaries a school has set as its dress code for appropriate attire.

This applies whether it pertains to banning students from wearing gang colors, offensive slogans, or clothing the school finds to be too sexual and distracting. And it makes no difference whether or not the school is public or private one.

The slogan on the back of the t-shirt -- "Islam is of the Devil" -- is offensive the same as if it said "Christianity is of the Devil" but the wording on the t-shirt not the issue here.

What is at the crux of this matter is a school's absolute authority and right to set the rules it feels is appropriate for its students while under the school's jurisdiction. The ACLU is barking up the wrong tree on this one.

#28 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-11-23 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stupid T-shirt slogan to wear anywhere and the school district has every right to forbid the wearing of these t-shirts during school and on school property.

Nevertheless if the nitwits want to wear these t-shirts elsewhere that's their God-given right I just hope they can find an emergency room nearby when their asses get kicked

#29 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-11-23 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

CalChris, Hopefully we can all agree that the T-shirt is offensive, very much so. Should the school have the authority to prohibit this. That is the question. What does the law and the constitution say? Should 'freedom of speech' trump or not? If not, why not? These are important questions. There are always gray areas in the law and that is why we need the courts.

#30 | Posted by mad_as_hell at 2009-11-23 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-23 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Students don't have free speech rights!!! *sarcasm*

They should all be forced to wear uniforms and knock off all the crap about a dress code.

The t-shirts are wrong--to wear in school that is.

Just like the color blue and red--can't wear those either.

I believe that students have free speech on school grounds until it become berating, degrading, humiliating and/or inflammatory. School administrators have a duty to keep peace in school and allowing berating, degrading... language undermines the environment of a school. If a student wants to express his or her ideas that are berating... he or she can do so off school grounds. I also think that school uniforms are a good idea. It would prevent children from coming to school in $200 sneakers when some kids have sneakers from Wal-Mart and level the playing field.

#31 | Posted by Referee06 at 2009-11-23 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

The neocon attitude toward the ACLU is proof of their latent fascist yearnings. They love liberty when the democrats are in power, or when a christian's free-speech is limited, but the second a republican is in the White House or an athiest speaks, the Constitution gets buried under a pile of executive orders, signing statements, and thinly veiled threats of physical violence.

I have a hard time deciding whether I hate the D or R party more, but my blood pressure seems rise more for R nonsense. The Ds may have the capacity to destroy this country, but the Rs are more likely to destroy the entire world.

#32 | Posted by Unisphere at 2009-11-23 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

but the second a republican is in the White House or an athiest speaks, the Constitution gets buried under a pile of executive orders, signing statements, and thinly veiled threats of physical violence.
#32--Unisphere

But the second a democrat is in the WH or an atheist speaks, the Constitution gets buried under a pile of executive orders, signing statements, and thinly veiled threats of physical violence.

FTFY

#33 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-23 11:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 | Posted by Referee06

This t-shirt is degrading and caused a disruption in the school--since it violated the dress code and they were asked to leave/change it.

The ACLU won't get this one.

The school district makes the rules. Some may be considered dumb--but hey--thems the rules...

#34 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-23 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

If parents raised their children with manners, and personal responsibility; if they raised them with the knowledge that 'sticks and stones can break their bones but names can never hurt them' then the ACLU would not have to step in to protect their civil liberties. Tolerance with differing viewpoints is paramount to a civil society.

A minors child's free speech is protected under the 1st Amendment, and though I feel that within the halls of compulsory educational buildings all students should be made to focus on academics I also believe that no superintendent, school board commissioner or teaching staff has the right to prohibit a student's freedom of speech.

The State of Florida DOE provides the guidelines for student handbooks that explain the requirements for academic performance and the rules for behavior when on school grounds.

If in those rules there exists a violation of the state constitution then the ACLU will win the case.

I hope they do because it's about time that the responsibility of student's behavior (ie. 'words hurt me') is taken off the shoulder's of the state and is slammed down hard on the shoulders of parents...where it belongs.

#35 | Posted by UpL8 at 2009-11-24 01:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Religious Robots are not Free Thinkers!!!

When or how can "Free Speech" be differentiated from "Advertising"?
Advocacy for any Organized Religion can't be seen as "Free Speech" because the advocates for that religion are definitely not "Free Thinkers" because they've come by their views as a result of religion indoctrination a.k.a. "Brainwashing"!!!

#36 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2009-11-24 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by Anti Cadillac

Free your panties out of your crack and settle down. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech go hand in hand. You guys keep forgetting the Constitution and the Amendments are restrictions on the Government, not the people. You can tell me how much my southern baptist church sucks all you want and I can say the same about the heavy petting zoo you attend every tuesday. That's what's so great about America. In some countries they would kill you if they caught you with that goat.

#37 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-24 06:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

and make them pull their fucking pants up to their knees at least.

#38 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-11-24 08:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

I always get a giggle when the ACLU defends something that the left finds reprehensible and some of them just can't fucking believe it.

#39 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-11-24 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Should 'freedom of speech' trump or not? If not, why not? These are important questions. There are always gray areas in the law and that is why we need the courts.

#30 | Posted by mad_as_hell

Freedom of speech is not an absolute.

Great example is that you do not have a right to yell fire in a crowded theater.

However yelling Theater in a crowded fire is apparently ok!

I am all for defining gray areas - this is not a gray area.

#40 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-11-24 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I have a hard time deciding whether I hate the D or R party more, but my blood pressure seems rise more for R nonsense. The Ds may have the capacity to destroy this country, but the Rs are more likely to destroy the entire world."

I'm usually more criticial of the party currently holding the power.

Doesn't make sense to pick on an impotent party.

#41 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-24 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think this is going to be an interesting argument. I do think what the so called christians were doing was trying to provoke a response. But I think the question is "how do you define offensive". It's easy to look at these nutjob's T-Shirts and come to the conclusion that they were offensive to Muslims. However, you can also make a strong argument that when Muslim children are allowed to wear their religeous garb into a classroom setting, they may be equally offensive to some non-Muslims. IMO, the real case here is how and where do you draw the line? Personally, I think that it is actually past time to have the debate. Religeous tolerance, be Christianity, Islam, global warming, or any other religeon, is necessary if we are all going to live in peace together. But then again, there are those whose intent is not to live in peace at all.

#42 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2009-11-24 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

ACLU has their place but at times when they go off like this or when they are supporting the nazi/KKK hate speech I depart from agreement with them.

#16 | Posted by Monstman
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Why? Wasn't it you lefties that informed the rest of us that Westboro Baptist Church had a right to protest soldier funerals and how even though you don't like the message, they still have free speech?

Now all of a sudden you can't say these students are within their rights? Rights that the idiots at Westboro baptist church are extended don't apply to school children?

Like Larry Mohr said, "Even though their message is disgusting, they have a right to say it!" Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that only applies to messages that the liberal party endorses. My bad.

Lonnie

#43 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-11-24 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

The ACLU has always fought for American liberty. Whether fighting for the rights of The Klan to assemble, or for freedom from religion in American public schools, they are a steadfast legal barricade against oppressive tyranny, and a bellwether for the legal boundaries of our civil liberties...

The fact that they piss off everyone, regardless of: race, political affiliation, gender, sexual orientation, religion and ethnic background is a testament to their effectiveness at this difficult task...

#44 | Posted by Capt_Of_Uranus at 2009-11-24 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

the aclu takes one of these cases for every one of the other 5,000 they take against Christianity

#45 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-11-24 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some things they favor......

Federal government bans religious references on ornaments for 2009 Capitol Christmas Tree-

Trashing free speech: Oregon State Univ. piles student paper's distribution bins next to dumpster-

NH Christians arrested, asked: Where is your God now?'

(against)Churches sue city of Phoenix over ordinance prohibiting ringing of church bells-

NH court orders home-schooled child into government-run school-

NY nurse threatened, forced to assist in late-term abortion-

3rd Circuit: NJ ministry will be heard on right to use property according to beliefs-

Free speech forbidden in free speech area' at Georgia Southern Univ.

(against)U.S. Supreme Court should stop ACLU's attacks on veterans' memorials

Phoenix bishop sentenced to jail for ringing church bells

(against)Choose Life' plates-

NY woman arrested for sharing faith in public park files suit against Oyster Bay

(against)in defense of Boy Scouts at U.S. Supreme Court -

student for not affirming homosexual behavior-

#46 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-11-24 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Disabled children lose fight against ACLU

www.alliancedefensefund.org

(against) Mt. Soledad Veterans Memorial cross is constitutional

National Day of Prayer

Illinois High School Association: Private schools can't pray before games-

Religious Freedom at Risk on Tax-funded College Campuses-

Indiana's 'In God We Trust' plate in, Indiana woman's 'GOD' plate out

ACLU threatens La. town over festival with Christian participants

period of silence' in Illinois schools -

Wis. school district charges fees to Christian groups, not others -

#47 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-11-24 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12, i'll take a case! :P

#48 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-24 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

i'm not #16, but...
#16 | Posted by Monstman

I see that you want the ACLU to "go off" on liberal ideals only?

I am a conservative, but I think what these kids were wearing was unaccepable.

no, clearly this lawyer hasn't read shit for supreme court cases on Free Speech in public schools.

i say again: Bong Hits For Jesus wasn't even on school property! his dad was fired and WON his lawsuit (in $, anyway).

#49 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-24 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tinker v Des Moines
(1969, black arm bands as protest of 'Nam, allowed (USSC).)

Broussard v School Board of Norfolk (tee-shirt: "DRUGS SUCK", not allowed).

#50 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-24 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is at the crux of this matter is a school's absolute authority and right to set the rules

that is wrong. the school walks the edge as:

Tinker v Des Moines
The court's 7 to 2 decision held that the First Amendment applied to public schools, and that administrators would have to demonstrate constitutionally valid reasons for any specific regulation of speech in the classroom. Justice Abe Fortas wrote the majority opinion, holding that the speech regulation at issue in Tinker was "based upon an urgent wish to avoid the controversy which might result from the expression, even by the silent symbol of armbands, of opposition to this Nation's part in the conflagration in Vietnam," and, finding that the actions of the Tinkers in wearing armbands did not cause disruption, held that their activity represented constitutionally protected symbolic speech.

Justices Hugo Black and John Marshall Harlan II dissented. Black, who had long believed that disruptive "symbolic speech" was not constitutionally protected, wrote "While I have always believed that under the First and Fourteenth Amendments neither the State nor the Federal Government has any authority to regulate or censor the content of speech, I have never believed that any person has a right to give speeches or engage in demonstrations where he pleases and when he pleases." Black argued that the Tinkers' behavior was indeed disruptive and declared, "I repeat that if the time has come when pupils of state-supported schools, kindergartens, grammar schools, or high schools, can defy and flout orders of school officials to keep their minds on their own schoolwork, it is the beginning of a new revolutionary era of permissiveness in this country fostered by the judiciary."

Harlan dissented on the grounds that he "[found] nothing in this record which impugns the good faith of respondents in promulgating the armband regulation."

for LOTS more read the full text of Tinker:
www.bc.edu

#51 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-24 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I always get a giggle when the ACLU defends something that the left finds reprehensible and some of them just can't fucking believe it.

#39 | Posted by Axiom

Really?

Lefties are surprised that the ACLU sticks up fer Free Speech?

Dude, that's wot they do.

When the ACLU sticks up for the KKK, Neo-Nazis or, as in this case, Talibaptist Teeshirt wearers, libs are aware that they are not sticking up for the organization and individuals but for their rights under the Constitution.

Spud likes these stories from the opposite perspective.

Which is to say, conservative, who generally hate both the ACLU and all things Islam, find it hard to bash both simultaneously.

They do find ways to do so, of course, but that just makes it all the funnier.

Spud's down with the vast majority of posters here who feel that these teeshirts are unneccessarly provocative and insulting and that the school did well in banning them in the first place.

Be Well.

#52 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-11-24 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27, this case will never make the USSC; the school will win at the District and any appeal. the fundies will lose early and often, here; and it will be denied cert.

#53 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-24 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

if free speech existed in schools same as everywhere else... oh wait... we have "free speech zones"...

well, if it did, then politicians and anyone else could leaflet in the hallways.

know what the greatest nation in the world is?
A DONATION!

thank you. elvis has left the board.

#54 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-11-24 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#45 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-11-24 05:39 PM
***"The aclu takes one of these cases for every one of the other 5,000 they take against Christianity"

So, you're saying that Christians are 5,000 times more offensive to American civil liberties than the rest of the world's cults???

I totally agree with you on that Dave...

;~}

#55 | Posted by Capt_Of_Uranus at 2009-11-24 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

But... but... but... mah momma told me that Islam was the devil!

#56 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-25 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

#56 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-25 12:53 AM

"Yes child, him and all the other self proclaimed "Gods""...

#57 | Posted by Capt_Of_Uranus at 2009-11-25 01:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lefties are surprised that the ACLU sticks up fer Free Speech?

Axiom thinks tater has missed at least one lefty post on this thread.

Like this one.

The phrase Islam is of the devil sounds offensive by definition as a given.

ACLU has their place but at times when they go off like this or when they are supporting the nazi/KKK hate speech I depart from agreement with them.

#16 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-11-23 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

In other words..."I find it offensive and hateful, it should be banned."

Let's do an experiment. Find a kid who describes himself to be an atheist, give him the same t-shirt and let's see how guys like Monstman feel about it when the ACLU defends his right to freedom of expression.

The next day, let's give the same kid a t-shirt that replaces Islam with Christianity and see how butt-hurt people get over it. We know the fundies will go ape shit; that's a given.

#58 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-11-25 08:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

It seems like every shirt I wore I was suspended for.

Peace-tika

Liquor up front - poker in the rear

Free Dahmer

Pansy Division

Impotent Sea Snakes

...

#59 | Posted by yougothurt at 2009-11-25 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag: