For the last couple of months, rwrs have been telling us how Obama will never pass healthcare legislation and it will be his "waterloo".
And I kept saying:

It ain't over til it's over.
Yogi Berra

Now, that it's obviously going to pass, and their repug reps stonewalled it, rwrs are saying it's not good enough. LOL

Whatever bill the senate comes up with will have to be compromised with the house bill.

It ain't over til it's over.
Yogi Berra

To the contrary, our COUNTRY voted in Nov 08 for a platform of healthcare reform.....it is the repugs who refuse to understand what is in the best interests of their constituents.....oh, wait, repug constituents ARE the healthcare/pharma corps......and not the PEOPLE of the USA....

Nevermind

Riddle you back "JIM"

Why do you hate the American system of govt and want to change it and/or destroy it? I'm thinking of Grover Norquist's bathtub quotation.....are you familiar with it?

Every bill ever passed has had some compromise.

Many senators are beholding to healthcare/pharma corps for election money. Dems and Repugs, eh?

btw, Bribery is paying someone to do a bad/wrong thing. Positive reinforcement is paying someone to do the right/good thing.

I know that's difficult for lock step, all on the same page, same ideology folks like rw neocon supporters, but the rest of the country.....which is a significant amount of people considering how many have defected from the repug party thanks to failed neocon policies AND how many never even bother to vote......the rest of the country believe in individual thought and freedoms, not those prescribed by a particular ideology only.

When all think alike, no one thinks very much. Albert Einstein

btw, I find the faux outrage at providing healthcare for all Americans for less than a trillion humorous, considering their support of unnecessary invasions/occupations that cost 2 TRILLION and counting......and that money did NOTHING for any Americans, except for giant global war/oil corporations.......and simultaneous tax cuts for the richest 1%, who don't need them....(141,000 people who average $7.4 million a year income)

The country is bankruped and China is holding the morguage.

#36 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2009-11-23 12:33 PM

Again, where was your outrage for the last 8 years?

What has gone unnoticed over the past two and a half years is the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress ignoring that its
fiscal policies have resulted in a colossal increase in the federal debt.
Increased interest payments mean higher taxes on Americans next year and every year thereafter, but this reckless increase in federal debt has also exposed a very troubling aspect of the Administration's budget plan passed by a Republican House and Senate --Asian countries are purchasing our debt in record amounts, with China registering the most rapid increase.

These developments not only adversely impact our economy, but leave our country susceptible to a potential national security threat. According to the Treasury Department, major foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury securities total $1.38 trillion. Over the first seven months of 2003, Mainland China and Hong
Kong have accumulated $177 billion of U.S. debt.

Currently, China is the world's secondlargest buyer, exceeded only by Japan. Furthermore, China's purchases of U.S. government
securities rose 20% over the first half of this year and have exploded by more than 105% since the beginning of 2001.

This situation is dangerous because it is how the Bush Administration is in part funding the federal government by selling our debt to the Chinese.

Rep. John Tanner, D-Union City (blue dog dem)

Eb, are you sure that isn't the "freeper" dictionary? LOL

Isn't using positive reinforcement to strengthen behavior the same as bribery?

Absolutely NOT!

The dictionary definition of bribe is "Something, such as money, offered or given to induce or influence a person to act dishonestly." As such, other than situations in which a positively reinforced behavior is dishonest or illegal, eg one parent giving money to the child to hide something from the other parent, positive reinforcement cannot be termed bribery.

We live in a society where using positive reinforcement to motivate children is less familiar than using punishment and other methods of aversive control. Therefore, when someone proposes using positive reinforcement in a context where punishment is typically used, there is a tendency to compare positive reinforcement to bribery.

Our original for of government died a quick death at the end of the Civil War under the ultimate 'big government' president lincoln. That is when state lost their rights and the feds took over.

#42 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2009-11-23 12:45 PM

I see.
Those damned republicans, eh? LMFAO
How dare Lincoln end slavery, eh?

Why don't you and your 20% group of American govt haters SECEDE and begin your own fkn govt in Wyoming or Montana or off shore with those giant global war/oil/pharma/health corporations you love so fkn much?

Hey Dumbass....
The 'People' are still speaking....
From Rasmussen Reports

Welcome to 2009 sport...

#54 | POSTED BY 2008ATL AT 2009-11-23 01:24 PM

Tell you what, "sport".....when a ratsmelly poll means more than our election results, get back to me.....

Welcome to 2009, 2010, 2011......LOL.

Sniper

So, if election day was a referendum on bushco and the failed neocon policies of the last 8 years (actually nearly 40, dating back to nixon), then tell us, WHY has your failed party not adopted some new ideas?

GOP=Status Quo/Stay the Course

Sorry, not good enough after the total abject failures of those policies.

Sniper

States rights?

Repugs are for state's rights?

Not when their legacy candydate gets APPOINTED by his daddy's scotus cronys after they stopped a legal recount approved by a STATE supreme court, eh?

It is what it is.

A govt OF, BY, and FOR the people. It's a FEDERAL GOVT.

If you don't like what it is, try forming a party to change it.

The repugs had control of scotus, potus and congress for 6 years, ....how'd all that work out for us?

Got anything NEW, besides those same FAILED policies?

Repugs=What a bunch of whiny asses......

Even after aWol allowed 911 to occur on his watch, 90% of Americans rallied behind him, until he invaded/occupied a country that didn't attack us and didn't respond to katrina victims for 5 days........

At least get behind the potus that inherited his foreign and economic policy disasters until he fails...

GOP=party over country....

Bush's daddy's scotus cronys stopped a legal recount approved by the state of Florida's supreme court.

To pretend that a the FEDERAL court ruled for state's rights in that case is ludicrous.

The state ruled for a recount.

The FED scotus overturned the STATE ruling.

And then a whole bunch of dems began whining and crying on national tv and holding tea parties all over America, whining and crying about losing the election and then when aWol allowed the usa to be attacked on his watch, those dems said, we told you so and demanded he be impeached for incompetence......

Oh, wait, none of that last part happened.....eh?

In fact, 90% of Americans still rallied behind our potus.

(until he screwed the pooch again and again.....iraq, delayed katrina response, outing our own cia ops, torture, etc...)

What has changed?

Are we better off now? Less debt? Decreased terrorist threat?
Still have troops in harm's way?

What has changed is a dem potus and a group of sour grapes, party over country repug/neocon supporters are unable to support our countries potus because of their partisanship.

eh?

Considering that the failed neocon repugs still have nothing new, just the same old, same old policies that already failed, same old same old....insults, smears, etc and now that party is busy eating itself up from the inside........welcome to 2009, 2010, 2011.....and beyond, eh?

Every potus since Teddy Roosevelt has given lip service to the need for healthcare assistance and reform for citizens of the USA, and now, finally, we are on the brink of history, as that will soon occur, thanks to Barak Hussein Obama.

Meanwhile, the do nothing repugs did their usual obstructionist, no plan, party of no, schtick......

Hilarious!

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Stay the course, ATL, stay the course....that's all we heard from you for the last what?, 5 years or so?

deregulate banks, corps, utilities, no oversight, reform welfare and bankruptcy on the poor individuals but never on the corporations, tax breaks for those who avg $7.4 million.....bust the American working people's unions, allow outsourcing, free, not fair trade, let energy corps set policies, let pharma/health corps set policy, off shore tax offices, many giant global corps pay no taxes at all, lie us into unnecessary wars for profit of a few, torture interrogations, indefinite detention, rendition, spying on Americans with on probable cause, double the national debt to 10 TRILLION, out our own cia ops for retribution on having lies outed, attempted politization of justice dept.....harriet miers for scotus......

shall i go on?

Obama's got a long way to go to get anywhere near the bar that your neocon heroes set below sea level, "sport"; you'd be smarter to just stfu, eh?

LMFAO

Well, that's interesting, because from where I'm standing, you partisan neocon supporters have not waited for Obama to fail, you are cheering for it, wishing for it and screaming it's already occurred, while totally ignoring the fact that your party FAILED miserably for the country and for the republican party.

Either propose some new ideas and not the status quo neocon policies that put us where we are, or get behind some chance for success.

I mean, here you are on a "liberal" blog, still championing the same failed policies and slamming any changes as failures.

Stay the course, right off the cliff, eh?

That your idea of a good plan?

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Our constitution allows for taxation to fulfill whatever things the PEOPLE decide.

1. forming a more perfect UNION enables us to come together to collectively bargain>
2. to promote the general WELFARE

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Now, tell me. WHY do you people HATE the US Constitution and American WORKING people?

Blah, blah, blah......state's rights=unless the feds stop a legal recount approved by a state supreme court....Blah, blah, blah, we can't provide health insurance for Americans, but we can do it for iraqis, afghanis and the very terrroists who attacked us, Blah, blah, blah, social security is a failure=but if it fails it will be due to reagan/bush/bush RAIDING it's funding......., Blah, blah, blah, we know what the founding fathers believed, Blah, blah, blah.....we know better=except our neocon policies have been overwhelmingly implemented for nearly 40 years and have been total, complete, abject failures.....Blah, blah, blah....listen to us....Blah, blah, blah.

IKE saw the neocons coming, but didn't believe Americans were stupid enough to fall for their bs.....

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
Dwight David Eisenhower

I guess he didn't realize they would join forces with the military industrial complex he also warned us about....

In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

Only Americans can hurt America.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.

Dwight David Eisenhower

Hopefully, most Americans have woke up from the neocon nightmare.......

situations that founders couldn't have even envisioned
Jeff J

Homework for you Jeff J

List ALL the things occurring NOW, that you believe there is no way the founders could have envisioned........telephones to cell phones to nukes......nearly everything has changed in that time.....

let me guess....do you also read the bible LITERALLY only?

Do you understand that throughout the last 230 years, our government has added to and subtracted from the document to make it a living breathing thing that allows our govt to function better than any other country and that it is the of, by and for the PEOPLE who decide?

Wait, maybe you believe some other form of govt is better?
Fascism for instance= preemptive invasions/occupations, nation building, allowing torture interrogation, denigrating dissent, no due process, spying on Americans with no probable cause, claiming you are the only true patriots........

Jeff J

Extra credit homework:

Compare those social expenditures and their benefits with spending HALF A BILLION dollars annually for DECADES on unnecessary invasions/occupations and pentagon expenditures....

Let me ask you.....did spending half a billion a year for decades keep us safe?

It damned sure kept a handfull of war/oil profiteers RICH, though didn't it....

Time to anne' up to the taxpaying American working people for a change now......

Buck up boys....

Your constitutional interpretation is completely dependent upon cherry-picking the text to suit your ideology.

#94 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2009-11-24 06:11 PM

Ok, then show me where it says your neocon heroes could use my tax money to invade/occupy/destroy a country that never attacked the usa, which just coincidentally also filled (and continues to fill) the coffers of giant, global, oil/war profiteer corporations, one of the biggest of which was directed no bid contracts from the veep who used to be their CEO.

??

No problem for you, eh?

But provide healthcare for 45 million Americans, most of them the WORKING POOR(thanks to the failed policies of the last 8 years) , including 9 million kids, and insure those who are covered are not screwed over by insurance companies, oh, that's just fkn terrible, eh?

WHO THE FK are YOU people??

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What's that? Landrieu is a DINO? I didn't know that.

Louisiana lawmakers among earmark leaders

By Associated Press
Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - Updated 258d 6h ago

NEW ORLEANS - Louisiana's U.S. senators added hundreds of millions of dollars in pet projects to the $410 billion spending bill awaiting President Barack Obama's signature, ranking them near the top of the list of lawmakers who placed so-called "earmarks" in the measure, according to a nonpartisan watchdog group.

Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Democrat, ranked second with more than $332 million worth of earmarks in the bill, according to the analysis from Taxpayers for Common Sense. Republican David Vitter ranked fifth, with more than $249.1 million.

Didn't say that, stalker.

When will you ever begin to speak for yourself instead of trying to misrepresent what is posted by another?

BWAAAAHHAAHAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAH
AAAA, assign you a position.

Well, let's ask the DR regulars. Did jeff have any problem with invading/occupying/staying the course in iraqnam?

Again, Jeffy

It's perfectly fine, (no tea parties, no complaints, no problem) about "nationbuilding"=(invading/
occupying/destroying/killing/
maiming/displacing hundreds of thousands to the tune of 2 TRILLION and counting), with all that money going into the pockets of giant global war/oil profiteering corporations....

But God forbid any of our tax money might go to help American citizens, most of whom are WORKING poor.....

You are so transparent, eh?