Although it's good that Catholics believe that Jesus is their Savior, at times I feel that they ignore some of His teachings and take matters into their own hands. This is one of those times.

1 Cor 27-32 clearly states that man must examine HIMSELF prior to Communion NOT to have man judge him to see if he is worthy by having a clean and pure heart.

It does not say to "take and eat" or "take and drink" unless you are a homosexual or unless you are pro choice.

And those who withhold this command made by Jesus will be the ones who are judged.

This is what I was trying to get across to Booj a while ago. This branch of Christianity has taken it upon themselves, thinking they know better than Jesus and try to "rewrite" what Christ had done by ignoring Scripture, the meaning of this practice and deny followers of Jesus who THEY feel have sinned so unforgivably.

It was argued that Catholics do read the Bible outside of having the priest read it to them.

Then I fail to understand how they don't recognize some of their practices to actually go against Scripture.

And millions of souls are in jeopardy because of it.

Sitdown:

I strongly disagree with you.

There are many branches of Christianity that follow the teachings of Jesus. It is a way of life for us....not just something we do on Sundays.

My husband and I are Blessed to have found a church that does not include man made rules and twisting of Scripture.

We are not perfect, Sitdown and we do fall short at times from living a life of Christ. Jesus was the only perfect person to ever walk this earth.

As Christians we pick ourselves up after sinning, repent, ask for forgiveness and move forward continuing to strive to walk Jesus walk.

I think it's unfair of you to claim what you had without attending every church of Christianity on order to make such a proclamation.

"disclaimer--I'm not a catholic)"

Do you belong to any church .at? Believe in God/Jesus?

Just curious.

Well hello Gimme!

I hope you are doing well!!

Actually Danni, we were instructed to do this by Jesus regardless of what someone thinks of it's meaning.

Catholics do this because they are concentrating on the actual sin which is why they have no problem with an adulterer, liar or thief accepting communion. They believe homosexuality and abortion to mean murder as being worse than any other sin....again thinking their word is of higher authority than God's since no sin is worse than any other but one. And it isn't either of those two.

And there is ONE reason we are allowed to divorce.

Mad:

I'm just trying to explain that Catholics single out those two reasons for not allowing one to receive communion.

Truth is...no sin is any worse than the other except for one.

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LMBO

So saeth Brother Bong.

I found it hysterical that someone who uses drugs the way you do didn't see the irony in using the word "delusional".

Go fire up another one!!

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And all YOU have is atheist after atheist insulting religion.

Well....duh!!!

LMBO

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Whatever Null!!!

LMBO

"What Kennedy is doing through his pro choice advocacy is saying that he doesn't believe that abortion is a sin. That's the basis of the church's exclusion. In this he is being very vocal in stating that he is not catholic. He's trying to have his cake and eat it. I'm no longer part of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic, but I have to agree with them here."

If you think Kennedy is making a statement, what do you think the Catholic church is saying to God, HC?

That Jesus didn't know what He was talking about?

That we don't think your commands are important?

He's a sinner. As we all are. Who gave the Catholic church the authority of God to say who is and who isn't forgiven? In fact, who gave them the power to sit in judgement of what's in a person's heart or what that person may have discussed with God in prayer??

"HOLY Catholic and Apostolic..."????

I don't find going against Scripture as Holy, HC.

Oh Null...taking a "man's" book and using it to discredit the Bible and God's word is a hoot!

Thanks for playing though.

LOL

I watched about 3 minutes of it and saw the problems with it.

But....hate away!!!

"I don't think they're going against Scripture in this instance."

Ok. Then show me in this section of Scripture where you see that anyone else should sit in judgement of the one receiving communion?

Show me where Jesus states that we should only take and eat or drink unless one is homosexual, divorced or are pro choice.

"23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood[c] of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner[d] eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's[e] body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

Seems to me that Jesus put NO restrictions on who can receive it, but it does state that one must examine HIMSELF. AND...the punishments are laid out for those who don't.

Sorry HC. I was raised Catholic. I'm well aware of their practices and some of them are not Scriptural, actually going against them while they beleive they are in a higher authority than Jesus.

"Absolutely and unequivocally"

Awesome Brother!! : )

Clearly, HC...this is NOT up to the church to decide.

Good grief HC!

Does Jesus state that no sinner can accept communion?

Wasn't he sitting around a table with sinners who He had SHARE in that?

"No they don't. "

If that were true than why did they modify Jesus's command?

Why did they not follow the last part of that Scripture instead of putting themselves as judge and jury, thinking Jesus's way wasn't good enough?

" Kennedy doesn't believe that his stance on abortion qualifies."

Can you show me where Kennedy states he doesn't think abortion is murder?

Or is he one of the folks that think abortion is morally wrong but feels the government shouldn't decide what a woman can or can not do with her body?

And can you show me where Kennedy states he is not a sinner?

Even the Apostle Paul said that he does what he does not want to do, HC.

Well HC, I'm against abortion. Can I control the government in their decision to stop them?

Would your opinion be that since they still continue even though I am against them, mean that I am for them?

Ok HC....let's take a different view:

Is advocating abortion worse than lying, stealing, murder, adultery, etc?

How is that moving the goal post, HC?

It's a VERY valid point.

Who are they to decide if one sin is worse than another especially when Scripture says this:

"And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, 'He has Beelzebub,' and, 'By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.' 'Assuredly, I [Jesus] say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation;' because they said, 'He has an unclean spirit'"

BTW...Do you think those people issuing communion or the others that are receiving it, only commit the sins they have commited once? Repented and never did them again?

"And get this, I think its wrong, but give tepid support to choice. The difference between me and Kennedy is that I believe that position disqualifies me as a Christian."

Christians are suppose to be perfect?

I'm heading to bed...we have painting to do tomorrow.

Thanks for the discussion.

Yea, it's so much worse than Islam.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

I see your point in chastizing Christians.

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Of course Kliff.

Everything anyone EVER says or quotes about your faith is wrong.

Yet...you offer nothing to back up your stance.... just think that denying it is enough to make others believe.

" certain extreme christians imposing their illogical interpretation of the bible on others."

LOL

You know so much about the Bible and it's meaning to make a statement like that??

Odd you know so much about a faith your people want to kill for, yet you can't back up your denials about your own, with quotes that are factual for your beliefs.

"The point hinges on his public advocacy for which he has not demonstrated admission of sin or sought forgiveness."

I've asked for support in your statement that Kennedy actually stated that he doesn't think abortion is a sin.

And....is that any worse than other people who are not public figures who are receiving communion and have been cheating on their spouse, stealing, drunkardness, etc...and the priest just doesn't know it.

"Christians are suppose to be perfect?"

"No, but they are supposed to be honest about their sin."

Like the rest of the congregation? How do you know that they aren't repeating and defending the same sin over and over without repenting?

"God requires acknowledgment of sin and the desire for repentance before forgiveness."

Same response as above.

Can you see the problem with man made laws? Can you see why Scripture says to "examine himself" and not rely on man to do the judging?

This is between that person and God and know one knows what has been said between the two...least of all a priest who appointed himself judge and juror.

The priests responsibility is to dispense communion, not sit in judgement of what is in someone's heart.

"Remember to keep the windows open."

I always sleep with the window slightly opened! : )

:)