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War-plagued Somalia, with its crumbling government infrastructure, is the world's most corrupt country, according to a global survey by the international watchdog Transparency International. Next are Afghanistan, Myanmar, Sudan and Iraq.

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Here is a link to Transparency Internationals website that has the corruption map:
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The US is not bad, scoring a 7.5, China has 3.6, India has 3.4, and Pakistan 2.4.

Seems like a lot of the Muslim run countries are really low on the list.

But why is the US so far down, with the usual suspects claiming the top 10?

But why is the US so far down, with the usual suspects claiming the top 10?
.......#1 | Posted by bigjohn_1972

......I'm surprised how high we are, considering that we have a system that invites corruption......

......when you think of how many congressman, senators and local politicians get cought greasing theirs palms, its a wonder we are not lower on the list.......

.....we tend to be more comfortable with Democracy as an export commodity.......

.....than a domestic issue that needs improvement...

wow, 4 of the 5 lowest countries were recipients of our recent "aid" in the form of death, destruction and bombs. we should be proud of that.

perhaps this measure of corruption is not a measure of how much illegal activity goes on somewhere, but how inept they are at hiding it.

we should be proud of that.
....#4 | Posted by NerfHerder

.....we would be better off just throwing that money into the street.....

.....at least it would be spent domestically......

"....we would be better off just throwing that money into the street.....
....at least it would be spent domestically..."

random money drops across the country would be cool. i have seen them at baseball games. people go nuts. its much worse than screaming fire in a crowded theater, but more entertaining.

actually that would be a good idea for govt. handouts in general. just fly crop dusters over american cities and throw out the dough. half the time they'll drop wads of cash, the other half, deadly poison...

wall street is in Somalia?

Lack of a pot to piss in does spur corruption. Them Africans probably ain't nearly grateful enough to the good ole Ewe Ess of Ay for bringing them the blessings of capitalism and democracy. herm

"wow, 4 of the 5 lowest countries were recipients of our recent "aid" in the form of death, destruction and bombs. we should be proud of that."

Unless we're dropping bombs that somehow turn people corrupt, I don't see what one has to do with the other.

Countries like Somalia and Afghanistan pretty much force you to bomb them by allowing people to repeatedly attack other nations using their country as a home base. Being poor and corrupt doesn't grant you the right to do whatever the hell you want to others. You want to be the world hub for pirates or terrorists and you're gonna get bombed.

The federal budget could be cut in half if congress wasn't so corrupt.

We raped afghanistan a long time ago, left her bleeding and dying. Did the same thing to iran.
Okay, Sully. What do you call what the cia and other us spy agencies have been doing, mostly uncontested?
Or the fact that the nations my country negotiates with have either nukes or oil, sold in U.S dollars?
Everybody else gets the bullet.

Problem is most of you beleive truth is a matter of
position and view. Semantics.
No matter what position you view it from, truth is truth. If not , then not.
You see, they slammed jets into those buildings because they beleive that that is where the evil is. Just the same as firing missiles into a wedding party from an unmanned aircraft, piloted by some gamer at a console thousands of miles away.
Because that is where they beleive the evil is.

Problem is, they are both right.

And that is truth.

"Being poor and corrupt doesn't grant you the right to do whatever the hell you want to others"

that's right, sully. being RICH and corrupt does. america drives that point home fairly well with its recent foreign military adventures.

"We raped afghanistan a long time ago, left her bleeding and dying. Did the same thing to iran."

We did nothing of the sort to either. The idea that countries that size could be manipulated against their will by a handful of CIA agents is absured. To the extent that in the past they had regimes that sold out to foreign interests, that is their own fault. Just like its our fault that we not only tolerate but elect leaders who sell us out to foreign interests now. A little personal accountability in that part of the world would go a long way to improving quality of life. I'm sick of grading everyone else on a curve (which due to racism in many cases) while we are 100% responsible for everything no matter how small our role. Brown people are responsible for their own lot just as much as anyone else.

"wow, 4 of the 5 lowest countries were recipients of our recent "aid" in the form of death, destruction and bombs. we should be proud of that."
#4 | Posted by NerfHerder

Care to defend that?

Somalia scored 1.1.
Afghanistan at 1.3,
Myanmar at 1.4,
Sudan and Iraq -- both at 1.5

I do believe it is 2 of 5. Somalia we tried to help in the form of aid and were attacked. Don't recall doing anything destructive to Sudan or Myanmar. However we have supplied humanitarian aid to both... Just wondering what slanted news you are reading that's all.

We don't deserve a rating that high. Corruption is rampant in our systems here. When people in this country wake up and take some of the power from those with money and hold politicians accountable politics will clean up and politicians will start to do the right thing and not be so self serving.

"that's right, sully. being RICH and corrupt does. america drives that point home fairly well with its recent foreign military adventures."

You can believe whatever you want even if its the above statement. Just don't pretend that's what I was saying. And it has nothing to do with your initial foolish statement that we should somehow be ashamed every time we bomb a poor country regardless of context.

None of these wars you're talking about has benefited the US in any way so unless you think getting soldiers killed and wasting billions of dollars is getting away with something, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about anyway.



"None of these wars you're talking about has benefited the US in any way so unless you think getting soldiers killed and wasting billions of dollars is getting away with something, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about anyway"

i didn't think so.

"I do believe it is 2 of 5. Somalia we tried to help in the form of aid and were attacked. Don't recall doing anything destructive to Sudan"

here, let me count for you--

1. iraq
2. ffghanistan
3. somalia
4. sudan

and if you don't remember sudan go back 11 years and refresh your memory...

"Countries like Somalia and Afghanistan pretty much force you to bomb them by allowing people to repeatedly attack other nations using their country as a home base. Being poor and corrupt doesn't grant you the right to do whatever the hell you want to others. You want to be the world hub for pirates or terrorists and you're gonna get bombed."

sully does a pretty good job of justifying terrorism. the radical muslim fundamentalist says the same when he prepares to fly planes into american buildings: "america has forced us to bomb them. you want to be a world hub for pirates or terrorists, your gonna get bombed."

Them Africans probably ain't nearly grateful enough to the good ole Ewe Ess of Ay for bringing them the blessings of capitalism and democracy. herm
........#9 | Posted by herm


....for one..foreign aid just distorts their development anyways, usually delaying it........

.....for two...until we have a budgetary surplus, we should be paying down our debts, before we go giving away money that we have to borrow......

"sully does a pretty good job of justifying terrorism. the radical muslim fundamentalist says the same when he prepares to fly planes into american buildings: "america has forced us to bomb them. you want to be a world hub for pirates or terrorists, your gonna get bombed."

LOL. Are you spoofing yourself or are you really this foolish? Afghanistan was literally the world hub for terrorism and Somalia is literally the world hub for piracy while the US doesn't allow terrorists or pirates to operate within its borders.
So to the extent Bin Laden or other terrorist leaders are babbling about US terrorism or piracy- they are lying. But of course, you're the one lying as they have their own justifications for their actions that have nothing to do with anything I've said despite your desperate need to pretend otherwise. My advice to you would be to look up, realize you're in a hole, and stop digging..

I realize you're pretty much still a kid and at your age, you think you're being very "radical" by blaming the US for the actions of terrorist idiots.
But you've really failed to make anything even approaching a sensible point here and there is nothing "radical" about posting blame-America nonsense when there is obviously so little thought behind it. Eventually you'll learn to drop the formulaic nonsense and think for yourself.

The objective of war is to compell your adversary to do your will.

Within the above, even that tactics of Ghenghis Khan are fully legit.... (if we followed such tactics, there would be no life in Bhagdad....)

WESTERN militaries (and some non-western militaries that have adopted the code), over the last several centuries, by deliberate choice, added a LARGE does of ethics into warfighting, in the form of christain influenced chivalry (I'm not a christain).

The SUCCESSFUL addition of ethics into western militaries reached its high point in the 18th and 19th centuries, especially when both sides in a conflict largely abided by similar values (when they did not, it quickly degenerated).

The 20th century saw more aggressive 'strategic war', but even there, an airman in B-17 always believed ('almost' always correctly), that some sort of military target was on the recieving end of his bombs. As before, when both sides abided by modern chivalry, it worked. When fake surrenders were used to make ambushes, it degenerated fast (for example, early in the fighting at Guadalcanal, real effort was made to humanely collect what "seemed" to be surrendering Japanese. Repeated fake surrender and ambush made it a much harsher campaign in the Pacific....).

Ideally, in the modern military mind, a fight would be between military forces, with no non-combatants anywhere around. This NEVER happens these days, even if BOTH sides want it to.

Furthermore, dual use targets complicate things. Taking out the power grid has a number of military purposes, but also affects non-combatants.

But even if bombing a production plant, there is still that underlying military purpose that is the target.

Terrorists don't work that way. AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SUB-HUMAN FILTH. (IMPORTANT NOTE: Not all militants are terrorists, but many are, to one degree or another.)

Terrorists strap bombs to the chests of the mentally disabled, and send them to blow up markets.

Terrorists go for mass body count of ANYONE to terrorize their enemy. They expand their target list to pretty much everything, but seem to delight in whatever is CROWDED with civilans.

but WORST of all, terrorists DELIBERATELY use the cover of non-combatants and non-combatant disguises to MAKE ATTACKS (hiding among non-combatants WHEN NOT ATTACKING is expected. LAUNCHING ATTACKS as while trying to appear as a non-combatant FORCES soldiers to treat non-combatants as posible MILITARY targets, thus radically increasing risk to innocents).

War is Ugly

But if you DEMAND that soldiers either be put in prison, or be suicidal, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME make excuses for terrorist, it Will get uglier that you can possibly imagin.

here, let me count for you--

1. iraq
2. ffghanistan
3. somalia
4. sudan

and if you don't remember sudan go back 11 years and refresh your memory...

#18 | Posted by NerfHerder

How about you just enlighten me? I don't remember the US going to war with Somalia/Sudan.

I remember about 18 years ago trying to supply the starving Somali's with food and getting our asses kicked for it.

I also remember a couple cruise missiles hitting a supposed chemical warfare plant in Sudan the same time they tried to take out Bin Laden and his terrorist links immediately after terrorist attacks on our embassies. Sudan has a corrupt government that supports terrorism and genocide. Of course there are several of those in Africa. It just seems your observation is off base if it means anywhere we have had been involved in any conflict we have caused this sort of thing.

I also remember in Kosovo and the rest of the former Yugoslavia, we were bombing as part of a NATO effort about that time frame. I don't see those countries on the bottom of the list.

How about Columbia? We have done a lot quietly there... I guess I could sit back and list more, but what's the point?

Power corrupts. Period. Those that seek power are more often then not corrupt or easily corrupted. If there is not sufficient accountability and penalty in a system you can not help but to have wide spread corruption.

"Transparency International" ? Wow; and I thought the Roto Rooter guys from Ghost Hunters were in way over their heads. They're correct about their transparency though; we can see right through them.

"while the US doesn't allow terrorists or pirates to operate within its borders."


Are you really that dense? Do americans have to patrol the shallow waters of the world in little boats with jolly roger flags and eyepatches before you call them pirates?

look up the definitions of both pirate and terrorist-- you'll find globalist-minded elements in america that fit the bill quite nicely. if not, well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think, er drink.

Yes, and thanks to this countries INSANE immigration policies we are bringing KABOODLES of these 6th world country immigrants (I would call them savages, but that is not pc) to the good ole USA.

You have seen them folks, the women are usually about 300 lbs and walk around in thier traditional tentlike dresses. The men are usually criminalistic in nature and will be getting bennies from the government for the next lifetime.

Another fine move by Uncle Sam.

#20 | Posted by skizziks

AGREED

wow, 4 of the 5 lowest countries were recipients of our recent "aid" in the form of death, destruction and bombs. we should be proud of that. #4 | Posted by NerfHerder

Yes, after Operation Iraqi Freedumb, Iraq is even more corrupt than under Saddam, same for Operation Enduring Freedumb in Afghanistan with Bush's UNOCAL clown running that circus. Didn't Shrubby say he wasn't going to venture into "nation building" way back in his 2000 campaign, hmmmmmm?

Run a few totals stupid.

Its Wall Street hands down.

There is a belief by MORONS that if a wealthy country does ANY SORT of business with a poor country (with possible exception of just giving them money...), then the rich country is somehow "exploiting" the poor country.

Furthermore, the MORONS believe that if the rich country refuses to do business with a poor country, for ANY reason, then the rich country is 'victimizing' the poor country.

Morons will be morons, but more effort needs to made to keep the morons in the gutter of irrelavence where they belong. When moron ideas get traction even in tiny amounts, there is a problem.

Might there be a trade a U.S. trade regulation or three that even when looked at in context, is not fair? Almost certainly...... But you'll find that all over, and in the overall, the U.S. is at least fair as anyone else. (Gee, I must be deluded, right???).

As for regular old corruption. #19 sounds about right. There is certainly room for improvement, mostly by gutting groups like the ACLU (force them to be treated as political groups...), and by things like tort reform.

USAF242 is part of the 51% US population of morons. Here's why.

His contention that the ACLU is "corrupt" is absurd on its face. Like Judicial Watch, they pick their battles based on prioritized principals and their probability of success (which is why they never touch the totally fucked up family law arena). Thus we see them representing the right wing drug smuggling murderer Ollie North, based on an inportant principal. The point being they stay out of moronic partisan arguments.

Like many allegedly "conservative" claims there is a thread of truth in "at least as fair as anyone else" in that there really are many Governments and Dictators worse than ours. But the larger picture is that the US enjoys reserve currency status and uses its CIA and 716 foriegn military bases to aggressively extract fortunes from other peoples natural resources. In the Congo, the last US Energy Secretary paid miners 30 cents an hour while extracting billions in minerals. This was how South America was managed until local populations gathered the strength and will to kick us out. Now a conservative alliance is wiping out the wealth of working class Americans at an astonishing rate, in broad daylight. This is because other countries have wised up and kicked us out.

The history of man is the history of man's enslavement of man. In this sense USAF242 is right again. But no one has ever had the global reach of the US. Boiling al Qaida suspects alive and raping their children with broken bottles puts the BushCo regime back in th dark ages. I hope Obama is better than that, most liberals are. Most violence is justified through moronic fundamental religious arguments.

Wall Street is not corrupt. (or at least not to any excessive extent).

Wall Street is stupid. (No, I'm not saying this to be funny. I'm dead serious.)

There is a difference between 'corrupt' and 'stupid', even when execs take advantage of 'stupid'.

"Stupid" is a system that rewards short term over long term.

"Corrupt" is protection money, even if in the form of an extra 'permit' where the money strangely ends up paying for the Mayor's villa.

"Are you really that dense? Do americans have to patrol the shallow waters of the world in little boats with jolly roger flags and eyepatches before you call them pirates?"

No, they'd have to board ships and steal other people's stuff from those ships because that is what pirates do. You're asking me if I'm dense? You might be retarded.

"look up the definitions of both pirate and terrorist-- you'll find globalist-minded elements in america that fit the bill quite nicely."

Horseshit. You're lying.

"if not, well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think, er drink."

Please kid, I was smarter than you at your age and now you are way out of your league. The only American pirates play baseball in Pittsburgh, you idiot.

NEWS TODAY

somalian pirates attacked that SAME SHIP again..
the alabama something

but they were repelled this time..

"Boiling al Qaida suspects alive and raping their children with broken bottles puts the BushCo regime back in th dark ages"

Nutcase, we reviewed your links together and found that neither British nor US agents performed any of these acts. And we also found that the Al Qaida in question in Uzbekistan was local and not international. What the Brits and the US were guilty of is complacency and accepting any fall out intellegence from the U's when they offered it.

I'm just going off the links you provided me.

Your being a bit inflammatory here.



Kinda hard to call Somalia a "country" at this particular point in its history. There's no real central government to speak of. Isn't it really just a vague bit of land bordered by actual countries and the Indian Ocean?

I'm surprised how high we are, considering that we have a system that invites corruption...... -- #2 | Posted by skizziks

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