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On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to take the appeal of six American Indians who challenged the name of the Washington Redskins on the grounds that it is racially offensive and thus does not merit trademark protection. An appeals court ruled in Harjo v. Pro-Football, Inc. that they waited too long to challenge the mark. The group has another six plaintiffs ranging in age from 18 to 24 who filed a similar claim in a case that's not yet resolved.

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Ok, let me see if I get this straight, the NFL doesn't want Rush Limbaugh around because of his politically incorrect views on race, yet, they are going to hid behind the judges' robes and not change the name of their team even though it is politically incorrect? Damn hypocrisy. Quit being COWARDS NFL. If you are going to impose political correctness on other people, then lead by example and change the name of teams thought to be offensive, even if you leagally don't have to. C'moen you micropenis chickens! I dare you!


I despise the NFL. I hope dittoheads boycott the superbowl.

"Supreme Court Won't Hear Redskins Name Case
www.nytimes.com

Ok, let me see if I get this straight, the NFL doesn't want Rush Limbaugh around because of his politically incorrect views on race, yet, they are going to hid behind the judges' robes and not change the name of their team even though it is politically incorrect? Damn hypocrisy. Quit being COWARDS NFL."


I have always maintained that the Redskins don't have to change their nickname, all they need to do is change their logo to a peanut.

"I despise the NFL. I hope dittoheads boycott the superbowl."

Great idea. Another way for dildoheads to make themselves miserable.

rush fatbaugh the drug addict is such a total piece of crap loser and his dittos are beyind absurd. it is just amazing

Hey Georgeisadrunk Limbaugh might be a loser, but he is a rich loser with 20 million followers, what do you have to say for yourself?

Why don't they just settle? Keep the name in exchange for a dozen blankets and a case of whiskey.

"he is a rich loser with 20 million followers"

Speak for yourself. A good portion of those 20 million people probably wouldn't refer to themselves as "followers" of someone because they listen to a radio show. They probably think that sounds just as pathetic as the rest of us do.

i am a financially content and happy man, i do not stand in bread lines and i do not do drugs. what do you think about folks who kneel at the words of a loser?

#9 Obama supporters

rush fatbaugh the drug addict is such a total piece of crap loser and his dittos are beyind absurd. it is just amazing

#5 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk

Fat Boy's earnings:

- $285 million salary and bonus for 2001 through 2008 ($35m bonus, salary of approximately $31.25m/year)

- $400 million salary and bonus from 2009 through 2016 ($100m plus bonus - the exact figure was not disclosed, except for "nine digit bonus" - and $38m/year salary)

behindblondiepark.com

That we could all be such a total piece of crap loser.

seems to me that bernie madoff had a lot more than that. he another of your heros?

All native american reference should be irradicated from public.

That should make em happy.

The indians in question are a bunch of filthy stinking bigots, and NEED to be treated as such.

My biggest gripe against the Boston Celtics is that they don't pronounce their name correctly.

The indians in question are a bunch of filthy stinking bigots, and NEED to be treated as such.

Fuck the Redskins. And the Steelers. And Pittsburgh. And the Patriots (suck it Bill Blunderchick).

seems to me that bernie madoff had a lot more than that. he another of your heros?

#12 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk at 2009-11-16 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Madoff spent it all you drunk.

I have to say I am in agreement here. No fan of Limbaughs, find him entertaining from time to time.

But the way the NFL jumped his fat ass when he tried to buy a team was over the top.

If they want to pontificate like that, they should remove any trace of racism from their branding. That would include the redskins. Probably the Chiefs too.

Are there any Aryans out there offended by the Vikings?????

"The indians in question are a bunch of filthy stinking bigots, and NEED to be treated as such."

That post is moronic and needs to be treated as such.

"Redskins" is a word that only had a racist usage before some idiot decided it would be a good team name.

"Celtic" is not a racist term. That would equate the two words as having similar usages betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation.


What about the Fighting Irish stereotype?

I guess what we need to do is take all of them off of the government tit and let them go out and make an honest living for a change. It has been a welfare program that has been around since the mid 1800s and needs to come to an end.

"Redskins" is a word that only had a racist usage before some idiot decided it would be a good team name.

Yeah, but the meaning has changed considerably over time.

Today when I hear the word "Redskins," I think "Fuck the redskins, they're that team that's not the Colts". I don't see anything in there about casinos or smallpox-tainted blankets.

101, here you go:

www.doglegs.net
www.indymedia.ie

"What about the Fighting Irish stereotype?"

Does anyone view this as negative? I'm sure if you somehow worked the stereotype of the "Irish curse" into a mascot, there would be plenty of people of Irish ancestry howling about that........

My favorite Irish stereotype is the "Irish Goodbye" - which I had used many times before ever hearing the term. I was about to link to the Wikipedia article on it, which had a very nice description, but some jackass deleted it.


Generally I think it's inappropriate and disrespectful to take a human being as your sports team critter.

Let's put it this way, it wouldn't happen today.

But if we lose the Redskins let's also lose the 49ers, Chiefs, Raiders, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Vikings, Packers, Texans, and Saints.

Wow, 10 of the 28 teams have people as mascots. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL is the most anthropomorphic-mascoted sports league in the world.

don't forget the Vikings.

"But if we lose the Redskins let's also lose the 49ers, Chiefs, Raiders, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Vikings, Packers, Texans, and Saints."

Why do some of you insist on pretending that "Viking" is a blatantly racist term like "Redskin" is? Is it that hard for you understand the difference between a racial slur and just a word used to describe a profession - like "Cowboy" or "49er"? You're embarassing yourselves - or should be at least.

Okay Snoofy....surely you can give a pass to the Patriots.

LOL

good result. if they change their name, it should come from market pressures from their fans and fan-base. not some court on a trademark issue.

Does anyone view this as negative?

#21 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-16 02:53 PM | Reply


It's supposed to be a negative stereotype, but the Irish aren't a bunch of thin-skinned cry-babies, and they (we) could care less because there are more important things to do, like drink.

You'd think the gut eaters would be just as preoccupied with their spirits as well.

but he is a rich loser with 20 million followers,

Mouth breathing disciples of a drug addled gas bag.

Dittoheads is an appropriate description of them.

SULLY

I'm a FSU grad. We get the same crap from bigots not wanting FSU to use the name "Seminoles" for our team.

Fortunately, a large element of the tribe has common sense and approves, so FSU can ignore the knuckle dragging moron bigots.

Although truth told, needing permission is simple lunacy. No one asked me about the Celtics...

"It's supposed to be a negative stereotype, but the Irish aren't a bunch of thin-skinned cry-babies, and they (we) could care less because there are more important things to do, like drink."

The live mascot looks like a little ballbag but I've never heard anyone say "Fighting Irish" is offensive (other than me and that's just to annoy Notre Dame fans). More than likely, it was an Irish-American that coined the nickname (looked it up and it appears nobody is sure). So how you going to compare Irish administrators at a school putting "Irish" in a team name with white dudes in DC naming their team with pretty much the Indian N-word? Not even close.


If an English sports team named itself after a pejorative for Irish people, you could bet there would be some pissed off people in Ireland. The closest parallel I can think of in real life would the Orange marches in Northern Ireland (people who took their land rubbing it in their faces) and those were routinely met with riots.

"I'm a FSU grad. We get the same crap from bigots not wanting FSU to use the name "Seminoles" for our team."

Seminole is not a racist pejorative term. Redskin is.

I don't understand why this flies over so many of your heads. It is really not that tough to understand.

Are there any Aryans out there offended by the Vikings?????
#15 | POSTED BY BOOJIBOY
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Not this year!

www.nfl.com

My biggest gripe against the Boston Celtics is that they don't pronounce their name correctly.

#13 | Posted by USAF242

If the rules of pronunciation are employed, the word is correctly pronounced. Perhaps you would prefer "Keltics."

How about the USC Trojans? I would assume there are some rubbers out there that are offended.

he another of your heros?

#12 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk

No hero of mine. Stopped listening to his babbalage many years ago.

Agree with him or not. Listen to him or not. He still is a very rich Fat Boy "loser," no denying that.

Oh well.

"what do you think about folks who kneel at the words of a loser?"

I'm a bit late in the game here, but seriously, who can logically call RL a "loser?" You may not agree with his ideology, you may think his opinions are insipid and stupid, but a loser? He has more money than God, does exactly what he wants when he wants, has millions of faithful listeners, and can, buy simple comments, send presidential administrations (and millions of additional liberals) into an absolute tizzy. I sure wish I was that much of a "loser."

If we were to get rid of every team name that had bad connotations we'd be left with little more than cartoon animals. The 49ers displaced native populations, Cowboys certainly did. But animals rarely conjure up image of fierce battles. Cardinals? Seriously the Miami Kitty Cats would kick their butts. And the Colts? The little baby horses would be quickly [b]eaten by the Bears. I guess the Oregon Ducks and the Oregon State Beavers could play, or even combine into the Oregon Platypus. Should we go on?

Before long we'll have PETA objecting about the animal monikers; although in regards to the Detroit Lions they probably would have a point.

But the Lions are doing to themselves. Perhaps we should only use soft, cuddly creatures. The Cardinals cans stay, as can the Dolphins. But the Bears would have to be changed to Teddy Bears, Seahawks to Baby Seals, Buccaneers to Blue Jays, Titans to Turkeys (should always play on Thanksgiving against the Dallas Calico Kittens), the Rams to Robins, the Panthers to Pussies, and so on...

name them the washington skins and offend everybody.

Maybe the Detroit Lions become the Detroit liberals because of their self-flagellation (beating themselves) and wanting to win without effort.

How about the Washington Brave And Independent Native Americans With Strong Values And Traditional Mores Who Have Been Improperly Relieved Of Their Land and Lives By Elitist While Europeans And Are Now Only Allowed To Live On Tiny Reservations and Run Casinos For The Benefit Of Their Great White Fathers.

How about the Washington Brave And Independent Native Americans With Strong Values And Traditional Mores Who Have Been Improperly Relieved Of Their Land and Lives By Elitist While Europeans And Are Now Only Allowed To Live On Tiny Reservations and Run Casinos For The Benefit Of Their Great White Fathers.

Only one problem with that. I've never met a "Great White Father" that benefits at an Indian casino. The reservations have cheap cigarettes, though. Or so I hear.

Yes, or the Washington BAINAWIFULSPCIKERS for short!

Thank you, Bendor! Best laugh I had all day! This whole subject is laughable, at best.

SULLY

I see your point. Grudgingly. NOT saying I agree its an insult word, I'm saying I see that you feel its an insult word.

People are FAR FAR FAR FAR to quick these last few decades to claim offense. It needs to be ACTIVELY and AGGRESSIVELY resisted. If anything, needs to be pushed back.

...20 million followers... #6 | Posted by member2586

Now THAT is one hell of a Freudian slip.

It sounds like they don't have a legal standing since they have had the name since 1967.

Even the new lawsuit--filed two years after the youngest turned 18 appears to have missed the statute of limitations.

Normally you have one year to file something after turning the age of majority- or 19.

It could be different for this matter--the age issue.

How is this racist and Seminoles or the Braves or the Indiansor or the Aztecs not?

They are attacking the trademark--but that is protected.

And there is nothing derogatory within the name of Redskins--isn't it a warrior thing?


And there is nothing derogatory within the name of Redskins--isn't it a warrior thing?



#49 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-16 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, it's a sunburn thing.

"The Washington Casino Whores"

I think that using team names like "redskins" is incredibly offensive and insulting. Yes, I know that it's a tradition and something we all grew up with...but it really isn't any different than it would be to have a team called the "Alabama N****rs" or the "San Francisco Chinamen". And then some team have mascots that are caricatures as well that, if using a different minority, would offend almost everyone's sensibilities.

But somehow it's still OK to do this with native Americans. I think that they have every right to be upset; these team names are racist, pure and simple, even if some of them are intended to evoke some positive characteristics attributed to native Americans.

I like my team's name...you don't offend anyone with a red sock. And it's useful for kicking a Yankee fan's butt.

I think that they have every right to be upset

Except they're not upset.

The only ones "upset" by it are the Professional Indians---that is, the various gut-eater interest groups whose sole job is to look for new and exciting grievances to become agitated about.

Add to that to the supporting sentiments of stupid-ass, lilly-white liberals *ahem* who never saw a "cause" they won't embrace and Voila!....we've got ourselves a "social justice" controversy!

I think that using team names like "redskins" is incredibly offensive and insulting.

Why, of course you do.

What would you do with yourself if you didn't?

Honest to God, the mentality of people like you is fascinating to me.

What sequence of life events leads up to a person who can earnestly craft the following sentence:

I think that using team names like "redskins" is incredibly offensive and insulting.

What causes that?

How did that happen?

Seriously.

Speaking of courts...what's the latest? Have BHO's minions stopped this yet?

"Federal Judge Carter sets Trial Date for Obama's Eligibility!

The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010!

Many concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.

Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. Obama would prefer a "kangaroo court" instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).

The judge, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, repeated several times that this is A VERY SERIOUS CASE which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama's attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous."

WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE

OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY

He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!


Sounds like this guy should recuse himself

Why? Truth hurts?

You have a problem with a "former" Marine judge?

" think that using team names like "redskins" is incredibly offensive and insulting.


Why, of course you do.


What would you do with yourself if you didn't?"

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I don't dwell on topics like this, jackoff...

But I do recognize offensive racist language. And team monikers based on an ethnic group are offensive, as in the examples given.

We are just used to it. Just like my parents learned 'eenie meenie...' ending in "catch a n****r by the toe" (and that's what they taught me) and thought nothing of it. But the fact of the matter is that it is degrading and offensive.


But I do recognize offensive racist language.

Why, of course you do.

What would you do with yourself if you didn't?

But the fact of the matter is that it is degrading and offensive.

But everything's "degrading and offensive" to a self-loathing, white liberal.

People like you amaze me.

Just when you think the prevailing characterization of liberals is all a caricature and hyperbole, someone like you comes along and honestly lapses into self-parody.


You have a problem with a "former" Marine judge?

Not really.I think it was more of the posters capitalizations,sufficient american

I've also heard "once a marine always a marine"no such thing as former.

But that actually has nothing to do about what we're talking about

Just... sufficient American? Not Great? lol ...pasted caps, not mine.

Those redskin peanuts are tasty, but offensive.

"But everything's "degrading and offensive" to a self-loathing, white liberal."
...
#61 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

You need some new materiel, psycho. Maybe something about Volvo-driving Hegelians.

pasted caps, not mine.

Oh,I restore you to greatness,LOL

Right on cue.

"Oh,I restore you to greatness"

Link, please? heh...

You need some new materiel

This is coming from the guy who is incapable of generating any kind of contribution to the website that isn't originated by a previous post from one of his intellectual superiors.

All you need to know about Texas:

* Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores
47th

Link, please?

Sure.

images.google.com

Ignore city of god part

Sausages? OK - How about: http://www.nutsonline.com

Averageamerican

#56 | Posted by Greatamerican

Same folks tried it in a couple other Federal District Courts and been made laughingstocks and fined hefty $'s.

Adequate American,

I must be getting senile.

.nutsonline.com

Took me 20 minutes to get it.

I bow to the master

"I bow to the master

Posted by bruceaz"


et tu, Brute? LOL

all they need to do is change their logo to a peanut.
......#3 | Posted by NerfHerder

.....or a potato.....a red Russett potato....

....the way they're playing it could be really appropriate to call them the Washington Spuds (no offense to our resident potato).......

JAK SE MAO

We have had the same "professional victim" indians complain about the Seminole name at FSU.

Whatever happened to pride? I live in the south, and have toyed with joining a Civil War re-enacter group, but have made clear that I am a "damn yankee" and proud of it. (1st Minnesota "Last full measure"). In WWI, the Kaiser called the British Army a "contemptable little army", thus leading to the British veterans calling THEMSELVES "the old contemptibles" The term "Quaker" was originally used to mock the Society of Friends, but was then adopted by them...... The list goes on.

And to add to what I said above.

I still don't buy "Redskin" as an insult AT ALL.

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Its funny how people here can type any profane word they want without using @#$%...but when they want to use the "N-Word"...they feel compelled to use: "N***er".

Maybe they should be called the "Washington R******s"

"And there is nothing derogatory within the name of Redskins--isn't it a warrior thing?"

Are you fucking serious? Its an insulting term other people made up. You really think Indians called themselves "Redskins" on their own? Do you think their skin is really red too? Do you think they think their skin is red?

"Except they're not upset.

The only ones "upset" by it are the Professional Indians---that is, the various gut-eater interest groups whose sole job is to look for new and exciting grievances to become agitated about."

What you are saying defies common sense. How could you possibly claim to know this? Obviously, only certain people are offended enough to take it to court. But that means that nobody else with that background finds it offensive that a pro sports team is named after a racial pejorative that applies to their ethnic group? You meet an Indian, you call him a redskin and he's cool with it? Bull-fucking-shit. There's no way the majority of these people are cool with "redskins" despite your inexplicable claim to the contrary.


hehe...."Yankee" was deragotory slang brits used to use to refer to americans a few hundred years ago.

In fact, an argument can be made that the word is still deragotory. I hear lots of southerners use it very much like a swear word when describing folks that are not from the south.

So...way to go supreme court! thanks for perserving freedom of expression

"hehe...."Yankee" was deragotory slang brits used to use to refer to americans a few hundred years ago."

Nope. Brits didn't invent the word and they say "Yank" not "Yankee" anyway. It originated here and has meant alot of different things from pirate to resident of New England. And obviously, unlike Redskin, people who the word describes came to embrace it hence the song Yankee Doodle Dandy. "Redskin" is uniquely racist among American pro sports team names.

"So...way to go supreme court! thanks for perserving freedom of expression"

The lawsuit had nothing to do with freedom of expression. The lawsuit aimed to invalidate the trademark on the basis that you can't copyright a racist term, which would actually make the use of Redskin and the associate images more "free". Problem is that makes exclusive merchandising impossible for the team, so they'd probably have to change their name over money. And the ruling did not do anything to affirm the right of the team to trademark the term. The ruling was a punt. They basically said the plaintiffs would have to be younger because if they were offended by Redskin, they should have said so sooner. Younger people have already file the same suit and its pending. Might want to read the article before commenting on its contents next time.

#85 | Posted by Sully

Are you kidding me? Let it go, get over it.

They are a conquered people, as were the Scots, the Irish... Jeezzzz get a life pal. Move on.

So, Fighting Irish (racist/derogatory), Sun Devils (seperation of Church and State),SDSU Aztecs, I don't have time to go on and on but I am sure you get the idea.
Maybe PETA will sue over animal names.

Get a fucking life

Wrong!

"In 1758 British General James Wolfe made the earliest known use of the word Yankee to refer to Americans... Later the term as used by the British was often derogatory, as shown by the cartoon from 1775 ridiculing Yankee soldiers..."

And what is even more enlightening is "Yankee Doodle Dandee" was coined by a brit poet to make fun of the american revolutionaries a bunch of puffs (i.e. homosexuals).

In addition, when federal judiciaries tell folks what names are allowable is a prime example limitation of freedom expression (whether that be couched in trademark or not).

So...Sully you are a grande mal manipulator who is either stupid or getting free society ready for Ingsoc.

I like how Chickenshit is telling me to get a life while double posting replies that don't even come close to making a valid point.

Don't tell me what threads you think it is OK for me to post on, Chicken. Your opinion means nothing to me.

"In addition, when federal judiciaries tell folks what names are allowable is a prime example limitation of freedom expression (whether that be couched in trademark or not)."

They aren't saying what names are allowable. It is already illegal to trademark a racist term. Two different isssues. You clearly don't understand the lawsuit but still jackassedly insist that you're right about this.

I found completely different info on the origin of the word "Yankee", BTW.

www.straightdope.com

But that hardly matters anyway. "Yankee" is not a racist term as it has NEVER been used to describe a race. Futhermore, as a northeasterner I can assure you that nobody here is offended by the term. "Redskin" is still a uniquely racist term for American pro sports teams names (and before one of you retards start: "Fighting Irish" is not racist and not a pro sports team).

Anyway, the point stands, when you name your team after a person you're bound to offend someone with the ability to sue. Just stick with animals or maybe very fierce plants and the issue is avoided.

I think even you right wing teabaggers must realize it because you don't dress up like Indians at your tea bagging rallies, but the original tea partiers did just that.

Remember when the Tampa Bay Devil Rays dropped Devil from their name? Don't use a "person," even if it's Old Charlie. It's tacky and displays a wholesome lack of tact.

I understand that political correctness is out of control in the US but I find it funny that so many people over react by pretending that NOTHING is racist.

Bottom line is that if you don't understand that "Redskin" is a racist term, you're a moron.

Hey it is really simple. The justices did not want to lose their season tickets.

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