Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

The FBI said today that it appears Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan acted alone in the Fort Hood shootings, and was not involved in terrorist activities when a joint terrorism task force crossed paths with him last year. "At this point, there is no information to indicate Major Nidal Malik Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot," the FBI said in a statement.

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Bull excrement!

The guy is a jihadist with SOA SWT in his "business card" and he considers himself a Muslim first and American second. Even if he never made contact with Al Qaeda (which I think he did) shooting up a military installation IS A TERRORIST ACT. Why is the FBI and our whole security aparatus hellbent on whitewashing what this traitorous terrorits has done? The are concerned about backlash against Muslim but I am more concerned about this kind of thing not happening again. And I think most Americans agree with me.

"Why is the FBI and our whole security aparatus hellbent on whitewashing what this traitorous terrorits has done?"

Hmmmmmmmmm ................ no Muslim connection?

The FBI is accountable to who?


So you're a terrorist if you're a Muslim first and shoot up a military base, but not one if you're a scientologist first and shoot up a day care (sorry, scientologists)?

And, of course, mental state has nothing to do with because, you know, it's inconvenient that it should.

he considers himself a Muslim first and American second


Dude, that's normal.

I consider myself Muslim first, Pakistani second.

All Muslim people in all Muslim countries will give you this answer.

Of course, it doesn't mean that we sign up for anyone else's tomfoolerist jihad...


The FBI is accountable to who?


To the guy who bows down before the Saudi King.

I think the mental health defense is abused way to much. Criminals look for any way to get off without being punished. For the victims it doesn't matter that he was mentally ill or not, they were shot dead or wounded. Punish criminals, I don't care if they are mentally ill. Being mentally ill doesn't give people license to go around killing people without consequence.

This guy VOLUNTEERED to join the army and had no problem accepting the army's money to pay for his career. But then all of a sudden he realizes he cares more about Muslims than defending the Constitution (which he swore to do). But now that his mission failed, he clings to the Constitution, now he is an American first. Because if he was a Muslim first we could just apply sharia law on him, right?

How many people consider themselves Christians or Jews first and Americans second?

Tosser, would the fact taht you are Muslim first and Pakistnin second prevent you from carrying out order you were in the army and they ordered you deployed to a Muslim country? That is what I am getting at here.

he cares more about Muslims than defending the Constitution (which he swore to do).


There is NOTHING in the American Constitution that is un-Islamic.

In fact, the American Constitution is one of the most Islamic in the Western world (certainly more Islamic than Saudi Arabia tribal code, for example).

There should be no conflict.


How many people consider themselves Christians or Jews first and Americans second?

#6 | Posted by igmoramus


I can see that I opened a can of warms here.

Even though my parents are from Latin America, if I had signed up for the army I would have no problem being deployed to Latin America and following orders. American first. Very simple.

Well, sure criminals attempt to use mental illness as a means to get off. Doesn't ordinarily work too well at all, though. Hasan will fry.

My point is that a mentally disturbed person might be that and no more. Details such a "Muslim" are just that, details.

I am a Christian first....above all else.

But make no mistake...I LOVE my country.

Tosser, would the fact taht you are Muslim first and Pakistnin second prevent you from carrying out order you were in the army and they ordered you deployed to a Muslim country?


No.

Because Islam is very clear on this, that you have to serve whatever country you are in, with your best intentions.

If the Pakistan Army, orders me to open fore on other "muslims" (taliban), I would have NO problem, whatsoever.

If the Pakistan Govt. orders me, I would have a problem, because they are lairs and cheats anyway.


Bull excrement!


The guy is a jihadist

TH: Is being a jihadist against the law? Mind you Jihad means something significantly different to muslims than what you seem to be implying.

with SOA SWT in his "business card"

TH: Onward Christian Soldiers! hmmmm what exactly does Soldier of Allah mean? I cant find a webpage for this so called militant islamist group. Perhaps you could provide a link with more descriptions than I have been able to find.


and he considers himself a Muslim first and American second.

TH: Crime?

Even if he never made contact with Al Qaeda (which I think he did)

TH: which he didnt as far as I have heard.

shooting up a military installation IS A TERRORIST ACT.

TH: well that is debatable, it seems that it should involve a conspiracy with a larger group of "terrorists" but I will agree that even if operating alone it could have been in support of terrorism. Though it seems more likely to be a lone gunman type situation.

Why is the FBI and our whole security aparatus hellbent on whitewashing what this traitorous terrorits has done?

TH: 13 charges of premeditated murder is a white wash?

The are concerned about backlash against Muslim

TH: Link or sink son.

but I am more concerned about this kind of thing not happening again. And I think most Americans agree with me.

#1 | Posted by member2586


TH: every american is with you, but we are not all panty waste cry babies who run and hide under the bed in fear of TERRORISTS!

This guy was under surveillance and investigation. Investigators did not find any evidence to indicate he would do what he did. So are you advocating that every American citizen be arrested if they are what? muslim? is somewhat unstable? not sure if the evidence exists that he was committing any crime


this is still america and we still have rights

There should be no conflict.


#8 | Posted by Tosser


SHOULD. But his guy did not want to deploy to Muslim countries to follow orders. Does anyone else see that as a problem? When you volunteer for the miliarty, you can't pick and chose what orders to follow, even if you believe a particular conflict is unnecessary.

open fore = open fire

But his guy did not want to deploy to Muslim countries to follow orders.


Does it say in the American Constitution to make fake wars?

No?

I was only talking of the Constitution... the core of America.

"The guy is a jihadist"

Please, check out the difference between jihad and irhad.

Letting terrorists capture the term jihad is akin to letting violent Christian fanatics capture the word "salvation."

I think it was a terrorist attack.

But that being said, I'm not sure it makes any difference one way or the other.

It's still a heinous act.

Whether or not it was a terrorist attack doesn't change that.

Also, if you remember Mohamed Ali, heavyweight Champ, refused to go to Vietnam.

His beliefs didn't allow him to be drafted into a fake war that didn't do anyone any good.

Punish criminals, I don't care if they are mentally ill. Being mentally ill doesn't give people license to go around killing people without consequence.

#5 | Posted by member2586


wow! You are advocating some whacko shit here. You are saying that for example someone with an IQ of say 40 who care barely breath without help should be thrown in jail with the key lost for a crime he commits. just wow.

son, some people's brains just dont function right. It is tragic, just tragic but that is life.

Is insanity used too often as a defense. Yes. But to ignore mental illness as a reality, well that is just plain sick.

American Constitution

I actually own two different copies of it and I've read the whole thing back to front a couple of times. Got to say its a decent piece of work. It does sound dated where they talk about not calling congress in difficult to reach areas, et al.

But yeah its a decent piece of work.


Tosser, would the fact taht you are Muslim first and Pakistnin second prevent you from carrying out order you were in the army and they ordered you deployed to a Muslim country?

Nah - Muslims work according to whatever government they've sworn loyalty to.

Plus the question is moot since this Nidal Hasan guy is simply CRAZY.

His explosion is a test case for what you Americans call GOING POSTAL.

I never came across the concept of "Going Postal" in Pakistan but you come across enough American culture to recognise the case and I would have to say; he's a text book case of Going Postal.

I can see that I opened a can of warms here.


Even though my parents are from Latin America, if I had signed up for the army I would have no problem being deployed to Latin America and following orders. American first. Very simple.

#9 | Posted by member2586


and yet the military does allow exceptions for conscientious objectors whose religous beliefs preclude killing people, amazing how the military is more progressive than you.

#20

If I were the victim of a crime it would make little difference to me what the perp's IQ was. If my life changed because of it, id doesn't matter what his IQ is. Lost in all this conversation are the victims are crimes who don't get appeals and whose lives are ruined. I am more sympathetic to them.

We have a VOLUNTARY military. If you religion prevents you from serving, why do you sign up, is if for the college career they pay for? Conscientious objectors was valid when we had drafts.

Hassan strikes me as a sad, sick, lonely man. No social network to deal with his stress. He was on a downward spiral without the tools to rectify his situation. What gets me is the reports of his disjointed thinking, his inability to communicate, his mixing of fact and conjecture (ie religon) into his reports. He turned to islam for comfort.

It seems he reached a breaking point. He of course should be held accountable.

However, we as a nation should not react like scaredy cats, which was typical during the Bush administration. This incident does not warrant further intrusions into our rights. We should not overreact. Crimes like this while unfortunate are rare and unavoidable. Further intrusions on our rights will not solve it.

This guy was under investigation and surveillance. Though even that raises some concerns for me (i.e. Big Brother and all), but I will accept for now that the FBI etc have to do these sorts of things and that the invesigations were done legally.

But it seems from the evidence that people with experience on terrorism could not string the clues together that this guy was going to break and like it or not, it is impossible to determine that in advance. In hindsight the clues are obvious. But not so in foresight.


#20


If I were the victim of a crime it would make little difference to me what the perp's IQ was. If my life changed because of it, id doesn't matter what his IQ is. Lost in all this conversation are the victims are crimes who don't get appeals and whose lives are ruined. I am more sympathetic to them.

#23 | Posted by member2586 at


well member i feel sorry for your lack of compassion. In fact I find it disturbing, but I presume you just have no experience with dealing with seriously mentally handicapped people. Compounding tragedy will not relieve the suffering of the victim.

Our legal system is based on justice not vengence.


How will you react when in a few years there are many crimes attributed to veterans of our current wars suffering from PTSD who just snap? Would you accept some culpability in their crimes having supported the wars that put them in the situations to be so stressed to break down?


We have a VOLUNTARY military. If you religion prevents you from serving, why do you sign up, is if for the college career they pay for? Conscientious objectors was valid when we had drafts.

#24 | Posted by member2586 at


So a soldier in war does not have the right and obligation to ignore orders that are morally objectionable? The defendants at Nuremburg would have loved you on the jury.

Nuremberg Principle IV states:

"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."


This does NOT excuse Hassan from his crimes, BTW.

1. I have compassion for the victims of crimes, not the perps.
2. I thought justice was supposed to be blind. But it isn't when we have hate crime laws and when minors can't properly be punished.

Being mentally ill doesn't give people license to go around killing people without consequence.


#5 | Posted by member2586



Who is advocating this man be let off without any consequences?

when minors can't properly be punished.

Does a 4 year old know right from wrong?

So a soldier in war does not have the right and obligation to ignore orders that are morally objectionable? The defendants at Nuremburg would have loved you on the jury.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts


If a soldier wants to ignore an order because he believes it comflicts with his principles he doesn't have to shoot up an army base. Whatever happenened to peaceful civil disobedience, I am sure it works in the military too. Of cource, there are consequences to disobedience, like being court martilaled, discharged dishonorabley, etc, but if people are willing to defend what they conside a higher principle, so be it. As long as it's done in a peaceful way, no one would care.

726, when was the last time you heard of a 4 year old raping a 72 year old and sending her to the hospital to have surgery for it? Nice strawman thought.


1. I have compassion for the victims of crimes, not the perps.
2. I thought justice was supposed to be blind. But it isn't when we have hate crime laws and when minors can't properly be punished.

#29 | Posted by member2586


again, I do feel sorry for your limited capacity for compassion.

You do not seem to understand the concept of blind justice. Blind Justice is the theory that law should be viewed objectively with the determination of innocence or guilt made without bias or prejudice.

That is irrelevant when it comes to a defendants ability to commit a crime, his capacity to know right and wrong and is ability to aid in his own defense. You may be willing to go back to the dark ages when things like that didnt matter but fortunately we have evolved beyond that.

As for your new issues brought into the debate regarding hate crimes and child criminals, well I actually agree that the implementation of hate crimes laws does seem biased to prosecution of white on black crime and that is a problem. Recognizing crimes as being biased is not a problem in my mind due to the unique nature of the crimes, but I can see where someone would have a problem with them.

As for child criminals, you have to understand that developing children are mentally incapable of knowing right and wrong in many instances. How many stupid things did you do as a teenager or younger? Many children do stupid things and I for one am glad that we recognize that fact and act accordingly.

Justice is not vengence.

Your argument keeps changing member and you are using strawmen. noone is defending hassan's actions or excusing them because of his religous beliefs.

You stated that you as a hispanic wouldnt have aproblem fighting in Central America. I responded that may be fine for you, but hassan saw things differently and Hassan's views do hold some logic as he believed his higher moral law trumped the orders to go to a war zone to fight against muslims.


726, when was the last time you heard of a 4 year old raping a 72 year old and sending her to the hospital to have surgery for it? Nice strawman thought.

#33 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-11-13 09:41 AM | Reply |

Well for you to argue that all minors should be charged as adults is absurd.

#33 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-11-13 09:41 AM | Reply |

Can a 9 year old murder?

Justice is not vengence.



They are interchangeable in the righties mind, hence their love of the death penalty.

I am a Christian first....above all else.
But make no mistake...I LOVE my country.
#11 | Posted by Lisa

What?! I thought you were a Packer's fan first!


726, when was the last time you heard of a 4 year old raping a 72 year old and sending her to the hospital to have surgery for it? Nice strawman thought.

#33 | Posted by member2586

I believe 726 was being extreme for effect

12 yr olds kill someone

findarticles.com

11 yr old
www.indiebound.org


9 and 10 yr old rapists

www.foxnews.com

TH,

Awe, you had to ruin my fun.

8 year olds kill. Do they understand the consequences of their actions? No.

BULLSHIT!

BULLSHIT!

#42 | Posted by Unclesam


Another emontional response from what I presume is another rightwing chicken

#39

Lol

The Pack is in my top 5 things of importance.

But God always comes first!

#44 I would like to apologize today for the shellacking the 'Boys will give the Packers Sunday.

Sorry!

#45

The Boys??

My schedule says the Pack plays the CowGIRLS!


I hope that doesn't make it hurt worse...lol

I am still thinking about that American first or second business. I wasn't alive in 1960, but from what I know of history, people were concerned about then candidate Kennedy being a catholic, thinking he would be a catholic first and and American second resulting in him possibly taking orders from the Vatican. This isn't a trivial matter. For many people it was and continues to be important.

And what about Joe Lieberman? Many of you Libs probably think he is Jewish first and American second because you dislike his foreign policy stance.

Well Corky, since the Pack has some gentlemen on the team, they'll probably go easy on those girls!

At least that's the story I'm gonna stick to!!! : )

SoA(SWT)

Argument over. TH - get your head out of your ass. The guy was a kook, he was also a terrorist. In fact he was a MUSLIM TERRORIST. FACT. UNDISPUTABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise is a fool.

Are all muslims terrorists? Of course not. Are all democrats libtards? Of course not. But most terrorists in recent history are muslims and all libtards are democrats. Profiling works.

We take our shoes off now because of what? 80 year old women are frisked because of what? Pregnant women are taken out of line and their purses searched because of what?

Fuck you and your PC libtard agenda TH. If it hurts your feelings or the feelings of muslims - too bad. The 13 killed last week deserve better. They also deserve for those they left behind to be protected from this happening again.

SOA SWT on his business card.


SoA stands for Soldier of Allah.


What does SWT stand for??

I heard that SWT stands for somehing like "glory to god."

You stated that you as a hispanic wouldnt have aproblem fighting in Central America. I responded that may be fine for you, but hassan saw things differently and Hassan's views do hold some logic as he believed his higher moral law trumped the orders to go to a war zone to fight against muslims.

#35 | Posted by truthhurts

This is BULLSHIT. He is being sent there to PROTECT muslims. If he didn't agree, then he could ask not to be sent (he did not).
The Middle East is full of Muslims. We are there to stop the WACO Muslims from killing ANYONE! We don't let them kill Muslims and stand by and say, oh, they only killed Muslims this time, so it is OK. NO! We want them to stop killing. PERIOD.

Subhanahu Wa Ta'all

SWT - Single White Trash.


Subhanahu Wa Ta'all

#54 | Posted by LarryMohr


Are you taking Arabic courses?!

LOL!

"Many of you Libs probably think he is Jewish first and American second because you dislike his foreign policy stance."

Or because he claims we can't afford real health care reform for America but we can afford to give billions to Israel who incidentally has a national health care plan. I don't like people who think Americans should help pay for benefits for Israelis but not for Americans.
I guess I'm just funny that way. How about you, do you support money for Israel but none for health care for Americans???

He is being sent there to PROTECT muslims.


No, he was being sent there as a public relations stunt... a shield to hide behind ("hey look! we got Muslims in the army too!") while more weddings and birthdays are bombed.


then he could ask not to be sent (he did not).


I think he did ask to be let out of the army but was refused.

Anyway, if I had been a born American Muslim in the army and they were going to send me off to help kill more innocent muslim people, I would never disobey the Constitution of the US.

You are sworn to protect the nation against enemies "foreign and domestic".

America's main enemy is domestic.

How much of American's spirit did your Dubya and his team trash?

And Obama? He is too weak, stupid or compromised to make any changes.

So what would I do?

I certainly wouldn't shoot at the same uniform I wear.

I would launch a YouTube campaign or some kind of online shit with some buddies who would think like me and become such a pain, they would either throw me out of the army or throw me in jail.

Either way, there are enough bleeding hearts in America for me to become an underground hero. After which comes the book and the movie.

In the end I get rich. Of course, I would have to swallow a ton of shit on the way, but hell what's the fun if it isn't a challenge?

You all also have some idea what shit I can pull online... I am only on my best behavior on DR because RCADE runs a tight ship and I want him to deputize me one day.

YS and Klifferd will smuggle cigarette cartons to me in jail using drop by high flying kite (old Pak technique to send love letters to next door girl friend).

I don't smoke but they will be useful for bribing the guards.

And, of course, mental state has nothing to do with because, you know, it's inconvenient that it should.
#3 | Posted by Zed

What would you call the mental state of those that flew planes into towers? SANE?

The real question is what is terrorism? Does the scientologist do things in the name of scientology? Or because of some personal wrongs?

I would claim that anyone commiting acts of "man-made disasters" on indiscriminate victims in the name of an ideology would be considered an act of terrorism. Yes, even those pro-lifers that killed Tiller, bomb churches, any form of violence aimed at those of ideology you oppose. Terrorism is a hate crime.

"Because Islam is very clear on this, that you have to serve whatever country you are in, with your best intentions." - tosser

Are you claiming muslims in Isreal are not true muslims? I only have heard of what you mention in the Druze sect in Isreal, they are excellent soldiers for the IDF.

It would be the true test of being muslim, if an Isreali muslim fought for the IDF, if of course the IDF would have them......

If I decide to make a break for it, Goatee will always be around with a 4x4 with engine running at some agreed upon time.

Prison Break - Tosser Edition.

It would be the true test of being muslim, if an Isreali muslim fought for the IDF, if of course the IDF would have them......


I don't know about the IDF but I do know Mossad has Muslims working for them.


It would be the true test of being muslim, if an Isreali muslim fought for the IDF


It would a true test for Israel if it allows a Muslim to be elected Prime Minister or President.

You shoot 13 of your fellow countryman - proclaim yourself a "Soldier of Allah" and scream Allah Akbar while shooting them...YOU ARE A TERRIORIST

It's understandable why all the pubbies think Hassan was a terrorist. Bush told them to watch out for all the terrorists hiding in America. He just never told them how to tell the difference between a terrorist or a criminal. What the heck? What's in a name anyway? You can't protect Americans like these with the truth.

What's in a name anyway?
#65 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-11-13 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Would you prefer his name be John Smith and have SOA and SWT on his business card? You need to change your handle to bullshitmaster.

Don't see many "criminals" screaming god is great in a foreign language do ya? Or not at all.

The FBI said today that it appears Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan acted alone in the Fort Hood shootings, and was not involved in terrorist activities when a joint terrorism task force crossed paths with him last year. "At this point, there is no information to indicate Major Nidal Malik Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot," the FBI said in a statement.
Well, that settles it then.

I guess one committing these types of crimes has to be part of an organization or group in order to be considered a terrorist.

Still baffles me, that one bent on killing for political purposes isn't considered a terrorist, but whatever. The FBI's position is clear.

LoD,
At the time they crossed paths with him (a year ago) they cleared of of terrorism links.
I doesn't say that they don't consider him a terrorist now, IIRC.

Fair enough.

Tosser, you are incredibly lucid and objective today.

Me like.

You are all missing the mark here kiddies.

Terrorist or not terrorist is not the issue.

What is the issue here is:

1. Multiple counts of premeditated murder and attempted murder.

2. Treason.

Why is no one focusing on the fact that this fucker is a traitor pure and simple?

I don't care if he shouted Jesus Christ or Hare Krishna.

www.newsmax.com

same reason that the DIrector of homelamd security said the first priority was bringing him to justice

NO ITS NOT
NOT FOR HER ANYwaY,..
the person in charge of keeping us safe??

you would think she was more concerned with finding out how and why he wasnt allowed to do this.

He deserves a quick and speedy trial and a speedy death penalty, get it over with...He committed a treasonous act of terror denighing his obligation to Country first, and defense of the constitution of his Country, the U.S.A. The FBI has been bought off in this case, anyone can see by the evidence presented it was an act of terror.

He committed a treasonous act of terror against his Country and fellow soldiers and does not deserve the right for any appeals in my book.
A treasdonous turn-coat deserves to be hung.

No one should give a shit if he would ever be denighed of appeals, he has plainly demonstrated his allegance to Islamic Muslim faith, and denighs any or all obligation to the constitutional laws of America,

...does not deserve the right for any appeals in my book.

Why is it republicans always want to deny everyone their basic constitutional rights? This is the same kind of jackass that thinks Hassan should have been shot before he committed the crime. What a sickly hair ball DrFG turned into.

Terrorism isn't (okay, wasn't) determined by the number of conspirators. It's about the motivation behind the act; is it an attention ploy to espouse or bring attention to a specific ideology? The idea is to get the most media coverage for the least effort. Without a declaration of some sort...
Tim McVay is still considered a "homegrown terrorist", acting in a conspiracy of two. Many similiar indicators from what I've seen.

Just so we have our facts straight:

Hasan tried to contact al Qaida (unsuccessfully).

Hasan delivered speeches to US Troops which characterized our military efforts as evil.

Hasan put religion before country and considers suicide in support of Islam a righteous cause.

Hasan might be a spy, absolutely crazy, or just another typical true believer always considered "good" when consistent with majority opinion.

The British labeled American Revolutionaries "Terrorists", we just call them heros.

timothy mcveigh was not muslim and he did not enter a military base and kill soldiers during a war against islamic extremism, yet he was widely considered to be a terrorist.

if hasan had used an explosive vest instead of a pistol, would we be having this argument?

it makes no difference what you put on his toe tag. he'll be dead soon enough.

add a ramp to the gallows and hang him in his wheelchair.


I guess I believe he acted alone. He is a terrorist.

Ans. to Post #66-67 ringmaster
Hasan denighed his allegiance to protect his Country and his fellow soldiers, in a planned conspiracy wherer he planned out these murders because of his personal allegiance to protect the enemies of our Country, and to kill as many Americans as he possibly could. That alone is an act of Terror, but he even went further than that.

He stated his allegiance to his warped foreign enemy religion first and formost before Country and constitution he was sworn to protect, thereby denighing his allegiance to Country and comrads first.
And if that is not enough he shouted allegiance to his muslim god allah while shooting down his fellow soldiers... That is an act of terror if ever there was one.

The FBI are absolutely wrong in not labeling this crime as a terrorist crime, for whatever reasons, and suspiciously because of fearing a backlash from Muslims which are the origination of this evil crime.

Now you try to drudge up Tim Mcveigh to make Hasan
look less guilty...It want work, slimeballs always point fingers and blame others as a diversion to try in vain to make their scum they love to protect look innocent.

Tim McVeigh was no comparrison, to the Treasonous Murdering Terrorist Muslim Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan that killed 13 innocent fellow soldiers, in the name of his god, allah, and his enemy religion Islamic Muslim Jahadist faith...

Are you taking Arabic courses?!
LOL!

#56 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-11-13 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Me no speaky Arabic. Me speaky the language of the Googles.

The piece of shit president has forced this politically correct bull shit to the detriment of the safety of the soldiers. While the shit in charge runs around the world acting like fucking royalty, including the mental illnesss associated with such from all the inbreeding, our troops die.

What the fuck does 'Soldier of Allah" mean then?

"What would you call the mental state of those who flew the planes into the towers, sane...?"

They probably were. Time to resurrect more apt words, such as "evil".

you don't suppose reinsurelaw is an ignorant racist pig do you?

Did you morons read the article?

"he was not involved in terrorist activities when a joint terrorism task force crossed paths with him last year"

US Media's (Pathetic) "Al Qaeda Connection" is the Tip_Off that Ft.Hood was a CIA Operation!!!

No organizaton such as al Qaeda exists,except as a fiction invented & perpetrated by the CIA to facilitate CorpoRat America's phony but extremely profitable "War on Terror" and their Iraq and Afghanistan "Oil & Opium Wars"!!!

Damn Anti-Cadillac, do you have to be so direct? Most of these people here don't even know that the CIA is a public relations front for another agency they don't talk about ever. Shhhhh...it, I just did!!!

I'm moving!!!

and yet the military does allow exceptions for conscientious objectors whose religous beliefs preclude killing people, amazing how the military is more progressive than you.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts
-------------------
absolutely no exceptions dude, we boot conscientious objectors out of the military. It's called failure to go/incompatibility to military service or plain outright desertion/AWOL.

Lonnie


Hassan strikes me as a sad, sick, lonely man. No social network to deal with his stress. He was on a downward spiral without the tools to rectify his situation. What gets me is the reports of his disjointed thinking, his inability to communicate, his mixing of fact and conjecture (ie religon) into his reports. He turned to islam for comfort.


It seems he reached a breaking point. He of course should be held accountable.


However, we as a nation should not react like scaredy cats, which was typical during the Bush administration. This incident does not warrant further intrusions into our rights. We should not overreact. Crimes like this while unfortunate are rare and unavoidable. Further intrusions on our rights will not solve it.


This guy was under investigation and surveillance. Though even that raises some concerns for me (i.e. Big Brother and all), but I will accept for now that the FBI etc have to do these sorts of things and that the invesigations were done legally.


But it seems from the evidence that people with experience on terrorism could not string the clues together that this guy was going to break and like it or not, it is impossible to determine that in advance. In hindsight the clues are obvious. But not so in foresight.

#25 | Posted by truthhurts
-----------------------
break? Fuck, I swear you guys come up with your victimization theories all of the time and are rarely right!

If the dude did just break down, do you think he'd have a gun in his home to penetrate kevlar and body armor? btw, he was sending money to pakistan too. This scumbag was living off 30,000 and sending upwards to $58,000 to pakistan. Oh I know, he was really trying to help the needy. Give me a break, I can connect the dots. He planned this like a soldier of allah.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. I'll guarantee you it is a duck. Not to mention that Barak Huisane Obama removed the lone wolf provision from the patriot act. What a coincidence?

Let's not forget Allah Ackbar. Yeah right, I'm sure you said the same fucking thing when you were outside killing the ants in your backyard. He said the same thing every other terrorist says as he's mowing down people.

So repeat after me. Cheney was right. We aren't safe under the incompetent policies of Obama. Or is it the fact that you guys acted like a cat that just ate a mouse after 9/11 and saying that bush owned 9/11 well your liberal messiah owns this. There is no way around it, it was a terror attack on our soil because the liberal messiah made changes to policies that were meant to keep us safe.

Lonnie

So repeat after me. Cheney was wrong. Nobody is ever completely safe from terrorism and America was made less safe by the incompetent, greedy and corrupt policies of BushCo.

FTFY.

Not to mention that Barak Huisane Obama removed the lone wolf provision from the patriot act.

Actually, Obama wanted to keep the lone wolf provisions depsite the fact that A) They have never been used and B) The goals of the provision are already obtainable under existing law.

Other Dems fought against Obama's desire to retain the provision among the most notable there, one Mr Russ Feingold.

/Shout-out to Russ.
//"Finestkind" Feingold is wot Spud calls him.

Liberal lawmakers defy Obama on Patriot Act

By LARRY MARGASAK (AP) Nov 5, 2009

WASHINGTON Defying the Obama administration, the House Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to remove from the USA Patriot Act a tool for tracking non-U.S. citizens in anti-terrorism investigations.

The committee, dominated by Democratic liberals, also voted to amend the anti-terrorism law to curb the government's surveillance and seizure powers.

The bill went to the full House on a 16-10 vote along party lines, with Republicans casting all the votes in opposition. GOP lawmakers said the legislation would hinder law enforcement and intelligence agencies in fighting terrorism.

The legislation would allow the Patriot Act's never-used "lone wolf" section to expire at the end of the year. The provision permits the government to spy on non-Americans even when they're not linked to a recognized terrorist group.

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Sorry fer the reality break, Loonie.

You can get back to yer narrative now.

Be Well.

No, he was being sent there as a public relations stunt...

#58 | Posted by Tosser

I guess he joined the army and got his degree as a public relations stunt. You do twist things to fit your warped mind.

Sure, he volonteered but he also wanted out. Why did they not let him go ?


Did you morons read the article?


"he was not involved in terrorist activities when a joint terrorism task force crossed paths with him last year"

#87 | Posted by John_Galt at 2009-11-13 09:06 PM


Yep. He wasn't last year but he was ramping up.

The FBI is playing CYA in a PC America getting its nuts cut off by Non PC SoA.

This country is screwed.

Look!!!! A platapus!!!!

Nice fake Drudge Retort liberal headline. From the story:

"At this point, there is no information to indicate Major Nidal Malik Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot," the FBI said in a statement."

So to say that he was a terrorist acting individually in what was a terrorist attack is entirely consistent with him not having co-conspirators or being part of a broader terrorist plot.

Interesting how libs suddenly want to redefine terrorism as necessarily requiring at least two people active in the terrorist act.

So under that construct, someone who identifies with and idolizes Al Qaida, wants to advance their agenda and acts alone in an act that if Al Qaida performed it would be a terrorist act is not a terrorist?

Yeah. Nice try.


This guy was a terrorist--period.

This guy was a nutcase who went postal--period.

Yeah, Al Qaida is just a collection of nutcases who plan out "significant postal events."

Yeah,Al Qaeda is just a collection of nutcases who make up the CIA,FBI and other willing_ pathetic_spineless Suck-Holes of CorpoRat America! In other words they're absolute fucking S-H-I-T!!!

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