Sniper's Children Cope with Execution

Thursday, November 12, 2009

When the death of Beltway sniper John Muhammad was announced, his children John, 19, Salena, 17, and Taalibah, 16, went into different rooms and cried, their mother Mildred Muhammad said. "It was very difficult to see them in that kind of pain," she said. "Because I know what was going through their head -- 'this is my dad, he should be in my life, this should not be happening.'"

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I wonder about the kids who this sniper killed.

#1 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-12 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

dangit, the kids of the people* the sniper killed.

#2 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-12 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dude just STFU and have some sympathy for the Children for a minute, you ass.

That has got to be a heavy psychological blow.

#3 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-11-12 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank God most people can not relate. Who wants to see their Dad executed, not just killed but legally executed? You hope they put the blame where it belongs but it has to be just horrible.

#4 | Posted by FrankA at 2009-11-12 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope the kids get a sensitive therapist that won't inject his personal beliefs, or needle these kids about their father's pastime, so they don't shoot up the place like pop.

#5 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-11-12 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Victims of the State of Virginia. Sad really sad. Why can't America grow the fuck up????

Larry

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

The dad is (was) a piece of shit.

Too bad for the kids - but it ain't my fault.

That's not to say that liberal kissy-snacks won't
blame:

1. racism
2. society
3. Reagan
4. Howard Stern

#7 | Posted by dean_buvia at 2009-11-12 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why can't America grow the fuck up????

We are trying Larry.

Perhaps if we didn't have so many mouths to feed and take care of.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2009-11-12 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am one of those who feel for the kids - - of the victims. I guess daddy was not thinking too much of his kids or he would have not murdered.

#9 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-11-12 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder about the kids [of the people] who this sniper killed.

Do they matter more than the kids of the sniper? Do you think it hurts less to have your father executed by the state than murdered by a criminal?

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-12 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why can't America grow the fuck up????"

Consequences are for adults. Its the Polly Annas who think we're obligated to house, clothe and feed pieces of shit like this for the rest of their lives because we need to prove we are "better" than they are who need to grow up.

#11 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-12 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do you think it hurts less to have your father executed by the state than murdered by a criminal?"

Actually, from a closure standpoint, I'm sure it does hurt less.

If your father was killed by the sniper, you'd spend the rest of your life sayig "Why? What did my father do to deserve this? Was there some way this could have been avoided? Why him?"

If your the sniper's kid, you know the answers to all these questions.

#12 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-12 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

If your the sniper's kid, you know the answers to all these questions.

#12 | Posted by Sully

no... they don't they are kids. We as a Nation do not care... their father was an "animal" and so deserves to die....right? At least we all feel better now that he is dead...right? Are we really safer now then if the sniper was in prison for life? No.. because now there are 3 kids who will grow up and have serious issues and so the cycle continues.

We really haven't learned a thing nor are we any safer than we were last week. But we sure taught that "animal" a lesson right?

Right?

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-11-12 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's worse for the kids of the DC Sniper because You know the state of virginia is about to kill Your father and there ain't a fucking thing You can do about it. Now THAT is barbaric in and of itself. The State claims to be about victims rights but what about the rights of the DC Snipers Family?? NOBODY thinks about them and if they say they do while supporting the death penalty they are a damned liar.

Larry

#14 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

If someone premeditates My killing for G=d sake do not give them the Death Penalty to that person because I will be G-d damned if I am going to be like Him/or Her. Now if it's a Her and She is Smoking Hot make sure She gets a comfortable bunk somewheres in Prison. But I digress.

Larry

#15 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

No.. because now there are 3 kids who will grow up and have serious issues and so the cycle continues.

Right?

#13 | Posted by donnerboy

Not necessarily. Probably has the opposite affect. Perhaps one of these kids will grow up to start a private organization that helps people. Maybe one of them becomes the next Mother Teresa.

#16 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-11-12 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are we really safer now then if the sniper was in prison for life? No.. because now there are 3 kids who will grow up and have serious issues and so the cycle continues.

I agree. We aren't safer. However these kids are going to have issues either way. They have to drag around the crime of their father regardless of whether or not we executed him (which I happen to disagree with)

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2009-11-12 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

So because he was executed his kids are now basket cases? But somehow locking him up for the rest of his life somehow makes it all OK? How is the carrying out of any sentence to be justified then? If a fine is levied, that's unfair to the kids because they'll go without? If imprisonment is declared, how do we justify separating the family? If we do anything to the perpetrator, there are always other victims. So do we simply not imposed justice?

Of course not. He killed 10 people. Period. He must be hel responsible for his actions. Remember, he had 100% of the responsibility here. If he was a good dad, he wouldn't have done what he did and his kids need to understand that. You do the crime, you do the time and you pay the piper at the end. PERIOD.

UFM82

#18 | Posted by UFM82 at 2009-11-12 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, from a closure standpoint, I'm sure it does hurt less.

I don't know how you can possibly know that. These kids not only have a dead father but they must be wrestling with guilt and shame, even though they had nothing to do with it. And they must be wondering what made their father murder all those people and whether the madness is another thing he left them.

So because he was executed his kids are now basket cases? But somehow locking him up for the rest of his life somehow makes it all OK?

Life in prison at least gives the children of criminals a chance to have a relationship with them.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-12 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Life in prison at least gives the children of criminals a chance to have a relationship with them.

Not slaughtering random people gives those people the same kind chance, too.

#20 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-12 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kid are better off without that piece of shit screwing up their lives even more.

No joke.

May he rot in hell.

#21 | Posted by USAF242 at 2009-11-12 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Followers of Islam are in an accursed religion"

What a farkin' moron.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-12 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Koran itself is filled with historical errors and plagiarism"

BFD...so is the Bible.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-12 09:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, I'm sorry for the kids and I bet it is very difficult right now. They did get closure, like everyone else.

Knowing your Dad is being/been executed is horrid, but imagine finding out your Father is the D.C. sniper. That is fucked.

Victims of the State of Virginia.

They are victims of Muhammad.

#24 | Posted by wurster at 2009-11-12 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama has high praise for Muslims..."

He also has praise for other beliefs.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-12 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess he is being PC... or diplomatese....

#26 | Posted by takitez at 2009-11-12 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Koran itself is filled with historical errors and plagiarism.... a manmade religion concocted by a mass murderer and pedophile. But liberals have incentive to ignore the terrors followers of this 'peaceful' religion has and continue to perpetrate on mankind... bacause Obama has high praise for Islam.

Posted by takitez at 2009-11-12 09:02 PM | Reply

If You have a problem with the Koran/Quran then You have a problem with the Old Testament of the Holy Bible because that's where the Quran came from. Oh and FYI Muslims are Your Christian Cousins cause We both share a patriarciacle Grand Father in Abraham.

Larry

#27 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade,

"Life in prison at least gives the children of criminals a chance to have a relationship with them."

These children will be better off in the long run to never hear from or talk to their screwed up father ever again.

They need distance, not a relationship.

If they hold hard feelings towards the justice system, that only shows they're as screwed up as their dad was.

These children need to accept the fact their father is who caused all this grief.

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2009-11-12 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

These children will be better off in the long run to never hear from or talk to their screwed up father ever again.

They need distance, not a relationship.

If they hold hard feelings towards the justice system, that only shows they're as screwed up as their dad was.

These children need to accept the fact their father is who caused all this grief.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2009-11-12 09:36 PM | Reply

So since Their father was fucked up they shouldn't of had a relationship with Him huh?? That's unreal. Just because of the crimes of the Father You want to punish the kids as well by taking their father away from them?? Seems to Me that's no better than the Father taking the original victims kids parents away from them by the DC Sniper. Unbelievable.

Larry

#29 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

With a limited amount of resouces to go around, we can chose to keep scumbag alive in prison at the cost of 50k/year x 30 years (1.5 mil), or we can chose to put that 1.5 mil into schools, infrastructure, and so on.

I am pleased that the we have chosen children, the elderly, and regular citizens to spend the moneyo on rather than murders. Some people don't understand there is a choice.

#30 | Posted by gooddog at 2009-11-12 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am pleased that the we have chosen children, the elderly, and regular citizens to spend the moneyo on rather than murders. Some people don't understand there is a choice.

Posted by gooddog at 2009-11-12 09:43 PM | Reply

Costs more to kill an inmate on death row than it does to house them for the rest of their natural life. So that excuse for the Death Penalty is shot to hell.

Larry

#31 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

A rope is free. That is the way it should be done. Short of that, you could hand them over to me, and for $100 I would do it.

Cheap enough?

#32 | Posted by gooddog at 2009-11-12 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry,

"You want to punish the kids"

No...I believe the children will be better off in the long run.

Maintaining a relationship with him will only prolong the pain.

It's not like the guy admitted his guilt, and could possibly have anything to teach his children of value from his mistake.

No...He maintained his innocence.

Again...in this case these children will be better off to no longer be poisoned by his hate and sickness.

I have no problem with capital punishment.

Justice was served.

Not punishment...justice.

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2009-11-12 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

No Biull Johnson it's not Justice it's vengence. I even hear it in Your words unfortunately which is sad. You condemned Me for wanting to punish those Balloon Boy parents with 10 Years in Prison for what they did and You declared and You want to Punish the kids Yet they could have gone to see them on visiting day YET You wanted to Deprive the DC Sniper's children their dad because You was seeking vengence for His crimes. There is no justice in the Death Penalty only vengence in the guise of justice.

Larry

#34 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

What kind of dad was he between the murders?

#35 | Posted by Petrous at 2009-11-12 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson

Don't bother trying to explain it to the bleeding hearts. They will never get it. To get it you need a strong sense of right and wrong as well as morals. They are happy to associate with murderers and butchers....at least enough to defend them and their actions.

#36 | Posted by KBM at 2009-11-12 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not going to argue for or against capital punishment...there are three innocent children among the other innocents involved.

They did not commit those horrible acts either.

They live with the knowledge that their father DID.

And this heartless person carried out one more pathetic act before he died....he refused his childrens wishes to see him one more time.

They were not allowed to say goodbye, ask him any questions they may have had and he denied closure for his very own children.

Not only that, but he left letters for other children by a different mother....nothing for them.

I doubt they were crying because they would miss him although I can't say that with complete certainty, I think they may have cried for themselves. They had a father who not only had any regard for a strangers life, he obviously had no regard for the three of them.

It must be painful to know that one of your parents could be so heartless!

its just a thought.

#37 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-12 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should feel sympathy for John Muhammad's children but at the same time we shouldn't feel any sympathy for John Muhammad. He chose a course of action that savagely murdered numerous people without any regard for their lives and the lives of their children. He hunted those victims and butchered them like they were wild animals. IMHO, he didn't deserve to draw another breath of air. Well, now he doesn't.

#38 | Posted by Vancouver_Bob at 2009-11-12 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Posted by KBM at 2009-11-12 10:05 PM | Reply

Funny I used to be Very Pro Death Penalty so how does That square with Your diatribe on My so called bleeding heart?? I finally woke up to realize I myself had the blood of the killers that I condemned on My hands because I once too lusted after their deaths. So You tell Me how much better a person that is very pro death penalty is any different than the killer that they condemn to death??

Larry

#39 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-12 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

KBM,

thanks...you're right.

they defend criminals and then believe in killing unborn children for no good reason.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2009-11-12 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30.... Larry....

The OT is the original document and the Koran is the fake imitation. Plagiarism cannot come into play unless the authentic one exists.

ABRAHAM.... claim to Abraham alone counts for nothing (Matthew 3:8-9).

#41 | Posted by takitez at 2009-11-12 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

You take a life...you forfeit any right to your own. Period. You don't give your victim(s) a pass...you're not entitled to one. It's galling to value the life of the murderer more than the life of the victim.

#42 | Posted by MACV1972 at 2009-11-12 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me."
- some bleeding heart liberal

#43 | Posted by RastaCyborg at 2009-11-12 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are no winners here. He needed meds and help from Vetrans Affairs. Those relishing the excecution are as worse than murderers themselves. At least this guy can claim mental illness, and Gulf War Syndrome. What's your excuse for the joy murder brings you?

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2009-11-13 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

All the wrangling about the "fall-out" effect does not need to focus on this one event. Death if accidental, or cause and effect is death. Death always has baggage ; usually undelt-with issues.
We as the do-all for every body do not know a thing about :
I am the only one that makes my choice.
I am the only one that learns from my choice.
No one can make a choice for anyone other than themself and can not learn anyone else lesson.
No one can keep the lesson of anyone, from becoming a consequence because of the guilt and fault attached to the "Care-TAKERS" expectations, except the chooser.
Today I learn my own lesson(s) one choice at a time. I do not let a care-taker's consequences become a burden of me - those are not my lesson: i did not make their choice.
It took me the worst half of my life to get to the tipping point, to get into a better half yet to live. It took my willingness to ask for help from people that were not care-taking other people. I began to learn of my responsibilities for just my owe choice; I had to fight the old ingrained care-taker habit of making someones else choice ("You ought to do this"). When I do ought-to's,I am avoiding making a choice I don't want to make for me.
I am able to be a "Care-GIVER". I do not 'You ought to', not even to myself; well not even as frequently as yesterday ( that is the secret in this). I can 'give' by talking about my choice and my lesson (I don't have to 'like' the lesson - just be willing to learn it and quickly make the next choice). I give my experience with no expectations, no perfection, etc.
OH, and GOD does not make choice(s) for me [or anyone else, you can't hang that on Him] - He want ME to be able to learn my lesson freely.
The children attached to their father's choice
should never have become so sensationalized, spun up into this tornado of ought to have or should have done, were any of you care-TAKERS minding your own damned business ...! Then maybe just one of you would be able to be a care-GIVER to the children so they will learn before, during, and after all the events their father chose that brought the lesson of society's nonacceptance of Murder.
Who (besides yourself) benefits from locking a murderer up in a cage. If it could be a sure enough CAGE, I'd sign up for that forever punishment for him. Not one that the care-TAKERS have to make comfortable either. God condemned evil to HELL. Jesus died for my/our sins does not let the unforgiven into heaven. We each have to get right with God. So, Who died and made you god - of what world, not the one Jesus walked.
The people that spin all this @#$%^&* onto the TV, Twitter,etc have an agenda - make MONEY on the stupidness of the care-takers. Ya'll keep coming back for more and more.

#45 | Posted by yazoomiller at 2009-11-13 02:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Consequences are for adults. Its the Polly Annas who think we're obligated to house, clothe and feed pieces of shit like this for the rest of their lives because we need to prove we are "better" than they are who need to grow up.

#11 | Posted by Sully"

You really are a naive little child. you are dependent on society in so many ways that without this support you would die very quickly. That being said capitalism is so dependent on good little worker bees toeing the line. Why shouldn't society look out for it's sick and fallen and not just the strong and profitable?

You just fall hook, line and sinker for the crap spewed by the wealthy to support yourself and screw the weak and fallen. It helps their profit margins.

#46 | Posted by furio at 2009-11-13 03:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

One of the theories the prosecution were werking on in this case was that John Mohammed, aside from being a thrill kill fucktard, was actually planning on including his ex-wife as one of his victims. Idea being that he wouldn't be investigated as she would be dismissed as just another victim of the Beltway Sniper. This theory was tossed out of court due to insufficient evidence but it still holds some water fer Spud.

Ergo if these kids wanna feel sorry fer themselves growing up without a dad at least they can take solace in the fact that they are not orphans.

Glass half full and all that.

Be Well.

#47 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-11-13 04:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

the children will be happy knowing daddy offed some evil infidels and is with the great Muhammad.

#48 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-11-13 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know how someone could love a parent who committed such a crime. I love my dad, but I don't think I could if he was involved serial killings. That would make it pretty difficult to get worked up about his execution.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-13 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am staunchly opposed to the death penalty...or I thought I was.

I am having a very difficult time feeling badly about this guy recieving the death penalty. One of the people he shot was at a gas station just over 4 miles from my home. I stopped at that gas station a couple times a week to get gas.

I remember the fear. I remember not allowing my wife to stop anywhere except for work alone (like it would help, but it made me feel better). I remember watching people run between their cars and the gas station in a crouch to purchase food or to pay for their gas.

I still don't think he should have been killed in an act of vengeance by the state, but I am really not feeling all that sorry for him.

His poor kids though. THEY I feel sorry for.

#50 | Posted by ABH at 2009-11-13 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is there ever a thread on the Death Penalty where we don't see multiple people start off with saying "I'm against the death penalty, but..."?

If you make exceptions, you aren't against the death penalty.

I understand your position, and I agree that there are exceptions, and that's why I'm for the death penalty. I just think it should be swift enough that it satisfies my bloodlust, or creatively used over time to satisfy my sadistic side.

#51 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-13 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can't argue with that 101.

It kinda pisses me off about myself that I don't care.

I may be against it, and I am against it in this case, but it is so personal that I am having a hard time getting worked up over it.

#52 | Posted by ABH at 2009-11-13 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

"no... they don't they are kids."

One is an adult, the other two are old enough to drive. I think the understand the cause and effect of their dad's execution. The family of his victims get to play the "what if" game for the rest of their lives.

"They We as a Nation do not care... their father was an "animal" and so deserves to die....right?"

No, he was a serial murderer who knew he was committing capital crimes while he was killing all those people - so he deserved to die.

"At least we all feel better now that he is dead...right?"

Nope, all the people he killed are still dead. We just don't have to worry about him kiling someone else and we don't have to pay for his care. Feelling better has nothing to do with it.

"Are we really safer now then if the sniper was in prison for life?"

If his execution incents someone else not to go on a spree killing, then yes. No matter how long you think the odds of that are, society loses nothing by betting that it might.

"No.. because now there are 3 kids who will grow up and have serious issues and so the cycle continues."

They are pretty much grown up. And their father wasn't bothering with them when he was free. He preferred the company of that Malvo kid, who he turned into a psycho. Given what he did with Malvo, you'd have to be crazy to think he'd have a positive influence on any kid's life. But why would you let reality spoil your silly, mealy-mouthed narrative? Right? Right? Right? Fool.

#53 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-13 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't know how you can possibly know that. These kids not only have a dead father but they must be wrestling with guilt and shame, even though they had nothing to do with it. And they must be wondering what made their father murder all those people and whether the madness is another thing he left them."

I explained that already. The family of his victims don't know why their loved ones had to die. His family knows exactly why he died. The guilt and shame of being the sniper's son should have been felt whether or not the execution occured. Same thing with asking why their father was a piece of shit and whether they might inherit his shittiness. That is on him, not the state.

#54 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-13 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

These children will be better off in the long run to never hear from or talk to their screwed up father ever again. They need distance, not a relationship.

You don't know that. John Muhammad could have rehabilitated himself in prison -- finding God or some other means of recognizing his wrongdoing -- and formed a better relationship with his children. Where there's life, there's hope.

Though Sully derides that as "mealy mouthed," everyone on this site who calls his or herself a Christian is supposed to believe in forgiveness and redemption.

I'm not saying unequivocally that he should not have been executed -- his crimes were monstrous -- but the toll it takes on his kids certainly puts the cost of capital punishment in sharp relief. Why should society make them pay such a high cost for their father's sins?

#55 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-13 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

The kids: three more victims of John Muhammad's twisted logic.

#56 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-13 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You don't know that. John Muhammad could have rehabilitated himself in prison -- finding God or some other means of recognizing his wrongdoing -- and formed a better relationship with his children. Where there's life, there's hope."
#55 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-13 10:47 AM | Reply

That's a possibility. But isn't it also possible he could have found someone in his life prison stay to carry on his actions? Persuaded them, with his hate, to kill even more people? Could it even have been, perhaps, one of his children? (As long as we're speculating.)
This man was very ruthless and dangerous, and society is better off with him gone. Earlier, someone asked if we feel safer with him gone. Well, maybe his execution will deter someone else from doing the same thing, and maybe it won't, but at least this person will never kill again, and will never persuade anyone else to kill again. And I do feel safer knowing that.

#57 | Posted by hawk at 2009-11-13 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Though Sully derides that as "mealy mouthed," everyone on this site who calls his or herself a Christian is supposed to believe in forgiveness and redemption."

I'm not a Christian. But I agree that Christ would have forgiven him. Then again, Christ would have popped back up three days later if this guy shot him so he had less at stake in dealing with dudes like this than the rest of us. The Bible also says "an eye for an eye" so what Christians should believe is not as clear cut as you are pretending. For all I know there is a God and he's been forgiven, if that makes you feel better.

"Why should society make them pay such a high cost for their father's sins?"

All they've lost is the opportunity to see him in prison once in a while. I don't know why you're pretending this is some great loss either. Its a depressing as hell experience to visit someone in prison. I'm not saying this family hasn't suffered, I just think 99% of it was caused by their father. I don't see the state the executing him as the part of this whole story that is messing them up.

#58 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-13 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dude just STFU and have some sympathy for the Children for a minute, you ass.

#3 | Posted by Monstman

You mean like their father did when he was out killing people? YOU ASS!!!

#59 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-11-13 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr

And, once again, Larry is wrong on this topic.

There are no "victims of the state of Virginia". You need to grow up about this. EVERYONE in this story is a victim of this Muhammad ass wipe!!

The people he killed, their families, his battered ex-wife (wives, I will make the assumption the other one had the same experiences), and his kids.

It IS horrible that they lost their father, but it doesn't sound like they had much of one in him anyway, but he made a conscious decision to do the horrible things he did and HE is to blame for all of this.

Where is the story about all the kid's whose parents were MURDERED by this towel head? USA today, liberal ass clowns, make me sick.

Victims of Virginia, blah, blah, blah... My ass, he deserved to die, but it should have been more painful.

The media is already playing up the Ft. Hood terrorist as the victim, because now he is paralyzed. Well, boo fucking hoo, can't wait till they fry his ass too.

Larry and the rest of you bed-wetters, get a fucking clue and get your head's out of your asses.
These scumbags, not just terrorists, but all premeditated murderers should be put to death in horribly painful ways. They are NOT the victims.

#60 | Posted by seedeez2 at 2009-11-13 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55 | Posted by rcade

Are you serious?

What did you smoke for breakfast?

#61 | Posted by seedeez2 at 2009-11-13 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 | Posted by LarryMohr

That's BS, and you know it. It's somewhere in the 25-50k a rear range to keep someone in prison; avg male lifespan is what, 78, do the math.

Let's assume he would only have spent the next 30 yrs. in prison; that's 750k-1.5 million, NOT including all the court costs the state must absorb for appeals.

Gassing his sorry ass, including the guards and the poison and whatever else, a few grand, tops. That's money well spent.

#62 | Posted by seedeez2 at 2009-11-13 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

That has got to be a heavy psychological blow.

#3 | POSTED BY MONSTMAN AT 2009-11-12 07:23 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

What is the heavier blow, the fact that dad ruthlessly, senselessly, and without remorse killed a bunch of people and terrorized a nation -- or the fact that he paid for it?

#63 | Posted by somoco at 2009-11-13 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You go do the research Seedeez. It costs way more to execute someone than it does to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives.

Larry

#64 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-13 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

These scumbags, not just terrorists, but all premeditated murderers should be put to death in horribly painful ways. They are NOT the victims.

#60 | Posted by seedeez2 at 2009-11-13 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

You are no better than the killer that Your bloodlust causes You to desire and demand the Death Penalty. Congratulations.

Larry

#65 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-13 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

You go do the research Seedeez. It costs way more to execute someone than it does to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives.
Larry

#64 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR AT 2009-11-13 12:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I think you're right, in general. But, this one was pretty clean, and I bet you this one turned out lots cheaper.

#66 | Posted by somoco at 2009-11-13 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've done the research, the cost to execute someone is less than a grand, the process is what cost's the $$, get that process down to a year and look at the savings.

Look up the definition of terrorist, that is exactly what the towel head in Ft. Hood is, maybe not so much the Muhammad clown, but he's no better.

Not blood thirsty, but yes, when you kill this way, you deserve no better!!!

You disgust me, defending these killers.

#67 | Posted by seedeez2 at 2009-11-13 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Normally I would say that removing the father from the family is bad for the children - not in this case. The kids are better off without him in their lives. If he would not have made the selfish decision to cause his family such pain, we would not be talking about his children's pain.

#68 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-11-13 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

OFF TOPIC. Why is My name in ALL CAPS?? It just dawned on Me that it is. Only the L and the M should be capitalized.

#69 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-13 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

You go do the research Seedeez. It costs way more to execute someone than it does to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives.

#64 | Posted by LarryMohr

Only if you use fuzzy math. How could it cost more to keep a man in prison for 50 years than it cost for a small needle full of poison and a couple months in prison?

#70 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-11-13 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You are no better than the killer that Your bloodlust causes You to desire and demand the Death Penalty."

It is just as easy to turn your own foolsih fallacy around on you:

You're the one saying this man deserves much better than his victims so you're no better than he is for agreeing with what he did.

Do grow up.

#71 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-13 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

AGAIN

We are all born human. If you subscribe to traditional values, this means we have inherent value, inalienable rights, and responsibilities.

Some people CHOOSE to flush all that down the toilet.

When a person behaves in a SUB-HUMAN manner, and carries out DELIBERATE, CHOSEN SUB-HUMAN ACTIONS, SUB-HUMAN ACTIONS HE/SHE MADE A 'CHOICE' TO DO,....

.....then that person has rendered THEMSELVES as less than human. NO ONE CAN DO THIS TO YOU, YOU CAN ONLY DO IT TO YOURSELF.

It is not a 'good' thing to have to recognize that some shithead has chosen to stop being human, BUT IT IS 'WORSE' TO NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

I've never dehumanized a person in my life. But I have the self-honesty to recognize when someone does it TO THEMSELVES.

Its all about Free Will.

#72 | Posted by USAF242 at 2009-11-13 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well boo fucking hoo. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for those kids. Their dad caused much more grief for a lot more families and it's his fault that they have to deal with his being put to death. And I see people here calling for compassion for the kids. Bullshit man. They'll get over it unlike some of the families who were given a much more shocking and destructive type of grief. At least these kids knew for a long time that their dad was going to die. His victims just came home one day and it turned out that their husband or wife or kid was shot in the fucking head while pumping gas. Sympathy for his kids. No way man.

#73 | Posted by everlong at 2009-11-13 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's a huge problem with the line of reasoning about the children (if you want to call them that... the oldest is 19). If you assert that the death penalty would be an unfair punishment to them, then you could also argue that imprisonment of a parent is an unfair punishment to them. Forcing a parent to pay a fine would remove resources (food, shelter, clothing) from a child. I think it's a very weak argument to say that justice must be suspended because this man is the father of 3 teenagers.

#74 | Posted by HulkHogan at 2009-11-13 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're the one saying this man deserves much better than his victims so you're no better than he is for agreeing with what he did.

Do grow up.

#71 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-13 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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What an ignorant thing to say which is bullshit and You know it. A reflex action because I called You pro death penalty people out and You can't face the truth.

Larry

#75 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-13 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

You go do the research Seedeez. It costs way more to execute someone than it does to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives.

Larry

#64 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-13 12:50 PM | Reply

That is only because of all the fucking appeals allowed by the bleeding heart liberals...

allow only one appeal and then BAM! your ass is fried and this stat would change!

#76 | Posted by reinsurelaw at 2009-11-13 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't know how someone could love a parent who committed such a crime. I love my dad, but I don't think I could if he was involved serial killings. That would make it pretty difficult to get worked up about his execution.

#49 | Posted by goatman"

Goatman sometimes I think you are autistic. Grief, as you should know, is not something logical to decide, it is an uncontrollable emotion. It is based upon who you are close to regardless of their "goodness." You pride yourself on your knowledge but come off so fucking clueless when it comes to relationships.

#77 | Posted by furio at 2009-11-13 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That is only because of all the fucking appeals allowed by the bleeding heart liberals...

allow only one appeal and then BAM! your ass is fried and this stat would change!

#76 | Posted by reinsurelaw "

Dumb cunt automatically assumes all who are convicted, let alone charged, are guilty. You would cry like a little bitch in jail when you are cornholed by Bubba, wouldn't ya, you little girl?

#78 | Posted by furio at 2009-11-13 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

d upon who you are close to regardless of their "goodness."

And I could never be close to a serial killer -- I don't care who he is.

#79 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-13 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And I could never be close to a serial killer -- I don't care who he is.

#79 | Posted by goatman"

I am so glad you can decide this ahead of time. It's a shame others don't have your prescience.

#80 | Posted by furio at 2009-11-13 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

You would cry like a little bitch in jail when you are cornholed by Bubba, wouldn't ya, you little girl?

I would. But you would probably moan in ecstasy and beg for a double penetration.

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-13 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goatman, I lost half a glass of Concha y Toro, Don Melchor because of you.

#82 | Posted by furio at 2009-11-13 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What an ignorant thing to say which is bullshit and You know it."

Yeah it was bullshit. But no more than you boiling down the other side of the arguement to the "bloodlust" of people "no better" than the sniper - which is the point I was trying to make. Pretty annoying huh?

#83 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-13 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only ones I don't feel sorry for in this story are Muhammed and Malvo. They deserve to burn in hell. How many lives have they ruined? The kids of the perps are innocent too.

#84 | Posted by Monster at 2009-11-13 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

their mother Mildred Muhammad....

LOL! Mildred?????

#85 | Posted by gotchamedia at 2009-11-14 06:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

#55 | Posted by rcade

Thankfully, we won't need to go down that road!

#86 | Posted by gotchamedia at 2009-11-14 06:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

#55

I agree. People turn their lives around all the time.

And Gothcamedia?

My grandmother's name was Mildred...Millie.

Nothing wrong with it! She was a wonderful woman and my best friend.

#87 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-14 07:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure her last name was not Muhammed!

#88 | Posted by gotchamedia at 2009-11-14 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wiki-Operation Northwoods

US GOVERNMENT PLANNED SNIPER ATTACKS
PENTAGON PLANNED TO CARRY OUT SNIPER ATTACKS IN DC AND MIAMI - Oct 24, 2002.

On April 24, 2001 the Baltimore Sun and ABC News reported on a shocking, declassified Pentagon document, titled Operation Northwoods. In Operation Northwoods the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called for hijacking jet airliners, attacking US military bases, blowing up US ships and wounding civilians in Miami, Florida and Washington, DC using paramilitary sniper teams.

The Northwoods Document spells out the US Government's plan to frame innocent people for the shootings and bombings that the US Government was preparing to commit. Page 9 of the Northwoods Document states that after the Government carried out shootings and bombings in Washington DC that "the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government." Now in 2002 they're telling us that they think that they have the two men responsible for the sniper shootings in DC.

Forty years after the Northwoods plan was rejected by John F. Kennedy, whereas the Northwoods document planned to create a pretext for war with Cuba, the sniper attacks are being used as a pretext to put military on the streets of America and to push for gun control. White House officials are saying that there's a good chance that al-Qaeda or Iraq are behind the sniper attacks and are warning the American people to look for similar attacks in other cities, thus creating a timely pretext justifying military action to capture Middle Eastern and Central Asian oil supplies in a war with Iraq.

...

#89 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-11-14 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

On consultation with many law enforcement and military experts, including Colonel Craig Roberts (formerly of US Army Intelligence, a former Marine Corps Sniper and the Best-selling Author of One Shot One Kill) stated that this operation could only be State-sponsored and was clearly the work of a rogue element from the top levels of global intelligence agencies. Roberts said that the MO of the sniper attacks are indicative of a 2-3 man team trained in the Special Forces ambush tactics of reconnaissance, insertion, concealment and successful evasion.

Best-selling Doubleday Author James Bamford, who broke the Northwoods Story in His Book, Body of Secrets reported on page 82 that, "the plan, which had been written with the approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called for innocent people to be shot on American Streets."

We have a declassified US Government document, approved right up to the President, that advocates carrying out terrorism against the American people to terrify them into accepting tyranny. It is now public knowledge that Roosevelt allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor as a pretext for war and that the Gulf of Tonkin attack that launched the Vietnam War was staged by LBJ. This is all now admitted historical fact, and there is no way to ignore the US government terror plan contained in the Northwoods document. The plan even lists the cities to be targeted, and one of them is DC.

The national media from day one told us that the sniper was a lone gunman. Senator Charles Schumer wants to ban so-called assault rifles and to institute ballistic fingerprinting on all guns as well as on ammunition [CA has now passed a similar measure]. Vice President Cheney has pubicly threatened Congress not to investigate the 911-Government prior knowledge story. He cryptically made the statement on Meet the Press that Congressional investigations would only cause a larger terrorist attack.

#90 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-11-14 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#91 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-11-14 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, if they're anything like their father they are probably denying that he's dead.

#92 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-11-14 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag: