Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Fox News corrected a recent speech by Sarah Palin in which she implied that a change to the placement of "In God We Trust" on dollar coins was the work of President Obama and the Democrats. Palin talked Friday about how the phrase "In God We Trust" had been moved to the rim of the coin, rather than on the face. "Who makes a decision like that?" said Palin, seemingly pointing to the Obama administration. "It's a disturbing trend." The coins were commissioned in 2005 when Republicans controlled Congress and approved by President Bush. As Fox also pointed out, Congress acted specifically to change the placement in 2007, moving the words to the coin's face.

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You mean to say that Fox News is a real news organization that fact checks things before airing? This is shocking! This must be wrong. Obama told me Fox News was not a real new organization. The people who wrote this are just racists who don't like Obama.

"You mean to say that Fox News is a real news organization that fact checks things before airing?"

Occasionally. Don't forget though that they fought for the right to lie to their viewers and won.

You mean to say that Fox News is a real news organization that fact checks things before airing?

Everyone is entitled to evolve.

Lie to their viewers, like CNN, the Jayson Blair Times and CBS/Rather?

"Obama told me Fox News was not a real new organization. "

Link, please. I"m fairly sure it was someone else who said that. Not Obama himself.

"ike CNN, the Jayson Blair Times and CBS/Rather?"

CNN--huh?

Jayson Blair was fired.

Rather lied? Or was wrong? Please explain, and some proof would be good.

Well, Member, some things right-wing nutjobs like Palin say are so freaking stupid that even Fox feels compelled to challenge them.

Palin - what a piece of work.

Wait a minute, doesn't Huckabee work for Fox, and aren't Huckabee and Palin essentially going after the same demographic? I smell a rat.

Link, please. I"m fairly sure it was someone else who said that. Not Obama himself.

#5 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-11-11 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Open mouth insert foot.


"And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet than that's another. But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over."


www.foxnews.com

"Who makes a decision like that?" said Palin, seemingly pointing to the Obama administration, adding: "It's a disturbing trend."

K, that's weird.

Unless someone has a quote with fuller context it doesn't appear that Sarah Palin actually implied that Obama or anyone within his administration had anything to do with that decision.

zOMFG! Did Spud just defend Sarah Palin?!

*choke*

Ewwww.

Might have thrown up a little in the back of me throat there fer a sec.

Blech.

Be Well.

I wonder what would happen if we took In God We Trust off of our money, would He get mad or something. It's such a bunch of silliness in the first place.

BTW, Subby.

You had Spud at "Fox News Fact Checks"

The Palin stuff was just gravy after that.

Be Well.


I wonder what would happen if we took In God We Trust off of our money...

#11 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-11 10:06 AM

We'd go even further in to debt to make a meaningless change to satisfy .0000000001% of our population.

I smell a rat.

#8 | Posted by taxman at 2009-11-11 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag

Check your diapers.

"And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet than that's another. But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over."


www.foxnews.com

#9 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-11-11 10:04 AM | Reply |

It would help if you post the entire quote instead of cherry picking part of a sentence to fit your talking point.

"I think that what our advisers simply said is, is that we are going to take media as it comes," Obama said. "And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet than that's another. But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over."

""And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet than that's another. But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over.""

Yeah, so? What does that mean?

I don't mean to be a pedant (yes, I do), but I asked when _Obama_ characterized the outfit as not a news organization. Member said "Obama told me." No, Member, he did not. "Top advisers" did.

Just sayin'.

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"Unless someone has a quote with fuller context it doesn't appear that Sarah Palin actually implied that Obama or anyone within his administration had anything to do with that decision."

I had this problem, too, Spud. But I decided to let it go so I could get all particular with Member instead. : )

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Actually, Chair, I'm an atheist and I don't give a shit about "In God We Trust" on the money. Nor "under God" in the Pledge. (My problems with the latter are not about religion or no religion.) I think Danni's comments are interesting because why should anyone care one way or the other? What if we didn't do it as a new production cost, but as new money is printed/coined to replace old money taken out of circulation?

How does the entire quote make it any less true? If anything, it shows he backed her opinion.

Granted, I don't think it's the least bit significant that a President has a problem with a news org.

Actually, Chair, I'm an atheist and I don't give a shit about "In God We Trust" on the money. Nor "under God" in the Pledge. (My problems with the latter are not about religion or no religion.) I think Danni's comments are interesting because why should anyone care one way or the other? What if we didn't do it as a new production cost, but as new money is printed/coined to replace old money taken out of circulation?

#16 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-11-11 10:14 AM | Reply


I'm an atheist as well, and I could care less about the mention, or lack of mentions in regards to god. It's just not important to me.
I respect the fact that some people are religious (the nuts drive me crazy, but so do the over the top atheist retards like skizziks and zat).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I say it now, and would have said it prior to adding "In God We Trust" and "under God".
Why rile up the people by changing it now? Again, I don't care if they change it, but I don't see the point in stirring up controversy in that regard.

"We'd go even further in to debt to make a meaningless change to satisfy .0000000001% of our population."

If it's a meaningless change the bible-thumpers should have no objection.

"How does the entire quote make it any less true? "

Because Member said "Obama told me." That's what I took issue with: foolish and inaccurate rhetoric.

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"I'm an atheist as well, and I could care less about the mention, or lack of mentions in regards to god. It's just not important to me.
I respect the fact that some people are religious (the nuts drive me crazy, but so do the over the top atheist retards like skizziks and zat).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I say it now, and would have said it prior to adding "In God We Trust" and "under God".
Why rile up the people by changing it now? Again, I don't care if they change it, but I don't see the point in stirring up controversy in that regard."

Oh fuck. Now I'm agreeing with Mr. Chair. (Actually, sir, if you were generally more serious and less provocative, we'd probably agree more often. But then you'd be less fun. Or have less fun. : ) ) Oh, okay, so I don't agree with the use of the word "retards"--but other than that. Heh.

I also don't think Danni was suggesting said removal of text, but rather cracking wise. But I don't know that.

Why rile up the people by changing it now?

You mean changing it now as in 2005.

"You mean changing it now as in 2005."

In context, Chair was talking about _removing_ In God We Trust. This was a tangent, sparked by Danni's #11.

Palin should run for President in 2012. Her intellect accurately reflects that of her base. And she's got really big tits.

We should remove "In God We Trust" from our currency, since we know it would piss off Palin.

#22 | Posted by pragmatist

Ah, okay.

If it's a meaningless change the bible-thumpers should have no objection.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-11-11 10:21 AM | Reply


The point was it's ridiculous to make a change to satisfy .00000001% of the population that cares enough to make a stink about such a stupid cause.

It's there, it isn't harming anyone. Why bother?
Again, if it wasn't on there, I'd say "It's not there. It hasn't harmed us. Why bother".

Fox has been taking a lot of heat lately for their less than objective "news". They're just trying to create the illusion that they're "fair and balanced". They've got a long way to go.

She thought that when Obama coined the phrase, "Change you can believe in" he was talking about currency.

The coins were commissioned by the Mint and the Federal Reserve... the Presidential Coin Act of 2005. Would not have been a Congressional decision, thereby the original coins, which did not have the "In God We Trust" on the face, were redone in 2007, by a decision of Congress. Fox is being an ass, joinging all the other media???? and not omitting all the info. Look it up.

She thought that when Obama coined the phrase, "Change you can believe in" he was talking about currency.

Is there any evidence that Fox News gets their facts wrong at a higher rate than the other networks? Does anyone look at that kind of thing?

Near as I can tell, the complaint with Fox from the lefties is that they're not willing to deify The Great Obama to the extent the other media are. Free country and all that, and if you're heavily invested in Obama, you naturally would want to have your blind loyalty reinforced when you switch on the news. Just wonderin'.

You mean to say that Fox News is a real news organization that fact checks things before airing?

Even Rupert has recognized Palin ain't worth shit any more, after the "values voters" and NY23. But it does point out Palin is indeed bat-shit crazy.

"Near as I can tell, the complaint with Fox from the lefties is that they're not willing to deify The Great Obama to the extent the other media are."

Sort of ridiculous when you consider most of our opinions of Faux News were formed before we had ever even heard of Barack Obama. For me my dislike of that news outlet came when George Bush's cousin, working at that news outlet, called the election for him in the middle of the night, then increased when they called opponents of the Iraq invasion traitors and such.

If MSNBC fact checked any of the cockeyed crap it pretends is learned opinion, there would only be dead air on that network.

Is there any evidence that Fox News gets their facts wrong at a higher rate than the other networks? Does anyone look at that kind of thing?

Near as I can tell, the complaint with Fox from the lefties is that they're not willing to deify The Great Obama to the extent the other media are. Free country and all that, and if you're heavily invested in Obama, you naturally would want to have your blind loyalty reinforced when you switch on the news. Just wonderin'.

Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-11 10:52 AM | Reply

www.huffingtonpost.com

If Fox News does Fact Check it does so by turning to MSNBC..........

"Who makes a decision like that?" said Palin, seemingly pointing to the Obama administration, adding: "It's a disturbing trend."

How do people become this stupid?

Is Sarah Palin going to forget to believe in God if she doesn't have a pocketful of change to remind her?

It must have been a slow day at Faux News if they checked a "fact".

Near as I can tell,

nnear as you can tell, RIW, Pluto is about 3 miles outside of Earth.

^.^

"Rather lied? Or was wrong? Please explain, and some proof would be good."

Yes, Rather lied, or allowed a lie to pass off as news, and that's why he was forced to resign.


JEB

Dayummmmmmmm Pluto is only 3 Miles out of earths orbit?? Yayyyyyyyyyyyy if I put on My business looking Wingtips I might be able to go visit Pluto?? Gnarly dude now I just have to figure out the best stochiometric of fuel to lift My fat ass off of the ground.

Larry

JEB, I'll say it again. Please explain, and some PROOF would be good. And being wrong is NOT the same as lying. Even if he was irresponsible, that's not lying. I was asking the person who asserted the point to prove it. Or retract it. If he didn't actually lie, saying he did and asserting that CBS is a bunch of liars is, er, a lie. Get it?

The party of Palin! And Malkin, Coulter, Michelle Bachman. Don't forget (how could one?) Carrie Prejean. Gives whole new meaning to the word boobs, don't it. Bigger bust measurements than IQs ... herm

If Fox News does Fact Check it does so by turning to MSNBC..........

Actually, I think they were quoting Politico.

But after yet another bit of Palin bat-shit craziness, one so bad even FOX is embarrassed, aren't we all glad McCain lost?

^.^

The "proof" I have about Rather was in what happened to him after he allowed the bogus story to go on the air ... a lie about George W Bush that was allowed to go on the news a few days before a national election ... so not only was a lie passed off as news, but it was done so in order to influence an election.

The results were that a number of people connected with the actual concocting of the story were put in jail, and Dan Rather got relegated to doing small-bit news until he resigned.

Sorry I jumped in on that line of conversation however. I too would like the actual details of what went down and when ... we'll probably both be disappointed however...


JEB

They say that even a blind pig finds an acorn occasionally, so Fox is entitled to an occasional slip, when it lets the truth actually get out.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

That language was inserted onto our currency in the forties. Part of a conspiracy to make life easier for the Pat Robertsons to manipulate that sucker born every minute.

First off--she didn't point to Obama as the source of the disturbing trend.

That was journalistic license from Politico. And Fox picked up on the story.

"Who makes a decision like that?" said Palin, seemingly pointing to the Obama administration. "It's a disturbing trend."

"seemingly pointing to the Obama administration"

The journalist words--not hers.
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Second--there have been a couple of things done lately--under Bush--but done by whoever is in charge of the WA Monument for one. There was a brouhaha over wording on the monument and God.

And when they put up a speech in DC from FDR--they omitted the part where he said God Bless America in the speech.

There are lawsuits in this country to stop the Pledge of Allegiance and In God We Trust on money.

So is there a disturbing trend--maybe..

And she pointed to it--as that is her opinion.

The Rather story is actually rather (pun intended) more complicated. I think it started when a college-age Karl Rove was working for Chuck Colson and the Nixon Dirty Tricks squad. Nixon's hatred for JFK transcended his assassination and Nixon was always trying to find ways to smear his reputation. One plan that Howard Hunt and others tried to implement was to forge a document that, if true, would have implicated Kennedy with some secret agreements with Fidel Castro. They leaked this memo, but it was discovered to be a fake very quickly. They were stupid enough to create it on a version of the White House letterhead that hadn't been created until years after Kennedy's death.

I think that Rove took away from that the lesson that even the truth can be made to seem like a lie if a faked document is created and then immediately discredited. It doesn't matter what the document said, or whether there was an original document somewhere that this was a copy of, the proof of forgery would forever brand the content of the document as false.

In this case, the six documents were purported to be documents dictated by the late Lt. Colonel Jerry Killian about Lt. Bush's misdoings in the Texas Air National Guard. The original documents had been typed up by Killian's secretary, who was interviewed during the scandal, but basically ignored. She stated that the contents of the documents were just as she had remembered them when she originally typed them up, but the hard-copy documents didn't look like the originals. Killian's son Gary also identified some of the documents as containing truths about Killian's thoughts on Bush.

Just hours after Rather held them up to a camera on the CBS news, a blogger on the right-wing FreeRepublic reported that he had recognized the typeface on these documents as Microsoft Word's TrueType version of the Times Roman font.

Having written page layout and typography software, even creating typefaces, I can assert absolutely that even the creator of the particular font in question would not be able to recognize it that precisely from a low-resolution glance at the documents on a TV screen. First of all, there are scores of fonts that look indistinguishable from Microsoft's Times Roman to anybody but a typographic expert. And that even an expert would have to examine the documents carefully under magnification, measuring kerning and other characteristics to determine what font was actually used.

Yet, here's this blogger on FreeRepublic (who was later identified as a lawyer and Republican Party operative from Texas) who made an impossible identification with inadequate information to do so. And he did it just hours after the documents were shown on TV for the first time. Soon bloggers on other right-wing sites like Powerline and Little Green Footballs were making exactly the same claim.

It just doesn't pass the smell test.

One argument was that no normal typewriter had proportional spacing at the time the documents were supposed to be typed, but this was false. The IBM Selectric Elite with a Times Roman typeface used proportional spacing. I've seen samples of both and I dare the original bloggers to identify under the same viewing conditions which document was typed with the IBM Selectric Elite, or used Microsoft Times Roman (or for that matter, any of dozens of Times Roman clones, like Book Antiqua, Georgia, Palatino Linotype, Sylfaen, and others).

cont..

...cont

However, I think that Rather got punked by one of Rove's typical diabolical dirty tricks. Take real evidence that made several damning points:

1) Bush was ordered to report for a flight physical in 1972 (the first year that drug testing was included) and refused the direct order.

2) A note that Killian had grounded Bush because of the refusal to take the physical and because of "failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards.

3) An indication that Killian wanted a flight inquiry board to be convened to investigate Bush's refusal to take the physical.

4) Notes of a telephone conversation between Killian and Bush in which Bush told Killian he didn't have time to attend ANG duties because he was working in the Senate campaign for Winton Blount in Alabama.

5) A note in which Killian claimed he was being pressured from above to improve Bush's grades on his yearly evaluation. He said he was being pushed to 'sugarcoat' Bush's performance records with marks Bush had not earned.

[We know that he didn't take that physical or any subsequent one, and was grounded for the remainder of his service, and we know he spent a year in Alabama campaigning for Blount, during which the only 'evidence' that Bush was going to ANG meetings was Bush's own submission of statements requesting payment for various meetings. There never was any actual proof in the Alabama ANG records that Bush was ever on base there.]

and create a provably forged copy of the real thing.

So, given that this would have blown Bush's campaign out of the water and was already creating a stir in the newspapers, Rove remembered the discrediting of the forged JFK memo and realized you could discredit truth as easily as fiction by using the same technique. So, I think somebody on his staff recreated the exact memos that Killian had originally dictated (and we have his secretary's word that the contents were identical to what she had originally typed). But, they created the new documents in a format that did not exist at the time the originals were typed.

Then they contrived through several shady characters, Bill Burkett and Ben Barnes, to pass the forgeries to CBS. Once Rather showed them on TV, several Republican operatives, already primed with the technical details about how to prove the documents forgeries began blogging that they "just happened to identify the typeface as Microsoft TrueType Times Roman."

Once the documents themselves were labeled forgeries, the charges in them were discredited and one of the most telling weaknesses and failures of George W. Bush ceased to be a campaign issue.

Its the only explanation that covers the big holes in the Republicans' version. First, that Killian's secretary acknowledged that the documents weren't the ones she typed, but the contents of the documents were what she remembered typing. And, second, how Republican party operatives who lacked the ability to identify MS TrueType Times Roman if they had the papers in front of them with a microscope and measuring tools, somehow managed the extraordinary feat while merely viewing some low-resolution images of the documents on a TV screen. And, third, how bloggers on a number of right-wing websites were almost simultaneously making the same identification under the same impossible conditions.

No, the only conclusion that covers ALL of the facts is that Rather got punked and Bush got rid of a controversy that was a potential campaign breaker. Not the first or last time something like that happened in a Karl Rove managed campaign.

FoxNews fact checked Palin? Is this like the blind squirrel finding an acorn? A welcome but totally unexpected event, probably never, ever to be repeated.

Murphy, I, for one, would love to see the phrase "Under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.

It was NOT in the original Pledge that was written in 1892 by a Baptist minister, Francis Bellamy, and used for 60 years without mention of any god.

In fact, although religious people are now outraged about lobbying groups trying to restore the Pledge, it was religious lobbying groups, led by the Catholic organization, the Knights of Columbus, and a Presbyterian Minister named Rev. Dr. George MacPherson Docherty, an immigrant from Scotland, who finally convinced President Eisenhower to add the phrase "under God" to the Pledge in 1954, 62 years later.

This changed the entire meaning of the Pledge from a pledge of one's primary allegiance to one's country, the United States of America, to a pledge of primary allegiance to a christian god and,secondarily, only subsumed "Under God," the nation.

If you can't find any reason to be outraged that overtly religious pressure groups lobbied for years to have the phrase added to a perfectly good 62 year old Pledge of Allegiance, why do you get outraged that others are putting on precisely the same sort of pressure to return it to its original form and intent?

The religious wackaloons are bloody hypocrites, if you ask me...

"There are lawsuits in this country to stop the Pledge of Allegiance and In God We Trust on money."

To stop it, or only to take out "under God," which wasn't there when it was written anyway.

I'd like to see it stopped 'cause I think it's an absurd remnant of the fealty oath to kings.

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Thanks for your explication of the Rather situation, Bluesun. Of course, you'll be accused of lies and Bush-bashing. : )

we should all be grateful to SARAH!! for pointing out the anti-Christian sentiment in the GOP.

There, I said something nice about SARAH!!.

Fox-news is the only NEWS media that is not in OBAMA's hip pocket and the Muslim organizations he supports.
Fox-News is the only NEWS media that is not afraid to air the truth about what's happening in this Obama, WANT-TO-BE POLITICAL led Islamic Muslim coup, soon to be under the regulation of Shariah law, if citizens don't wake up from their stupor, and stop supporting this Islamicist coup d'e'tat.

Everyone of the main based Biased propaganda-spued NEWS media, habitually spues out NOTHING but garbage, out-right lies, and Communist propaganda, and every left nut in the country accepts it as pure gospel truth. Such idiots...

"We'd go even further in to debt to make a meaningless change to satisfy .0000000001% of our population"

Your blind stupidity has no ends does it?

It would actually cost less to add LESS words/engravings on to newly minted coins. No one is saying round up all the money and change it, damn you are top of the heap moronic!

LM

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Sill clinging to that sinking ship I see.

Everytime palin opens her mouth I am reminded of this song......

www.youtube.com

Rest in peace LeRoi Moore

LM


You mean to say that Fox News is a real news organization that fact checks things before airing? This is shocking! This must be wrong.
........#1 | Posted by member2586

.....not necessarily.......

.....but it is a first.........


......sort of like when you hear Shep Smith on Fox.......

.....you say....."Hey! This guy's not crazy, how did he get on Fox ?"........

So give Sarah! the 2012 GOP presidential nomination now and start focusing on her running mates: Prejean, Bachmann, Coulter and Malkin would all give new meaning to the phrase "Party of Boobs."

Carrie could say it wasn't sex - like Clinton not having sex with That Woman. Malkin would add prestige to eating one's young. Coulter would have to tone it down to - say - Glen Beck levels. Bachmann? Can they vote in asylums? I'm sure Newtie, Jindy and Hucky would forgo a shot just to bring Republicanism back and restore prestige to that forgotten word, burlesque. herm

There are lawsuits in this country to stop the Pledge of Allegiance and In God We Trust on money.


So is there a disturbing trend--maybe..


And she pointed to it--as that is her opinion.

#48 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-11 03:01 PM


Maybe.

"and the Muslim organizations he supports. "

HUH?

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As for costing money to take the words off, I think Chair's point was that if we pull all that back now and re-mint, that costs money. Money we don't have to spend now. And by the by, printing fewer words doesn't cost less money, I don't think. It's a mold, innit?

"Who makes a decision like that?" said Palin, seemingly pointing to the Obama administration. "It's a disturbing trend."

Kind of reinforces all those less than flattering portraits of Palin out of the McCain camp, doesn't it?

"As for costing money to take the words off, I think Chair's point was that if we pull all that back now and re-mint, that costs money. Money we don't have to spend now. And by the by, printing fewer words doesn't cost less money, I don't think. It's a mold, innit?"

It's not only on coins but paper and type print is by the letter, as well as the cost to cast a mold is by complexity, thus more letters, more complex. All of which equates to higher cost to add the phrase.
I already addressed the idea of pulling the money back, that's absurd. It wasn't done when added, just phased out by new prints.

LM

No they engrave everything. Even the plates for the bills are engraved. Those people that do the engravings are better people than I'll ever be because they have the patience of Job.

Larry

...are better people than I'll ever be...

#65 | Posted by LarryMohr

There is hardly a day that goes by when you don't say that one way or another and I personally find it extremely depressing Larry that a fine lad of 38 such as yourself has such serious self-worth issues.

Grow up man!!!!

...Fox News corrected a recent speech by Sarah Palin in which she implied that a change to the placement of "In God We Trust" on dollar coins was the work of President Obama and the Democrats...Who makes a decision like that?" said Palin, seemingly pointing to the Obama administration. "It's a disturbing trend..." The coins were commissioned in 2005 when Republicans controlled Congress and approved by President Bush....

Anybody wonder why Sarah Palin's book is priced at only $4.95 before it even hits the book stores.

"I already addressed the idea of pulling the money back, that's absurd. It wasn't done when added, just phased out by new prints. "

I mentioned that, too. In another post.

the value of the coin itself equaling the entire fact-checking budget over at oxFay. and they go and spend it all in one place -- all on this disturbing trend.

yet they persist. good for them. i honestly don't know how they do it.

#43 More constructive input from Herm Carnegie (Dale's evil twin)

Jesus.


Sarah Palin is a reckless politician.

How many times has she proven to be demonstrably wrong with her wording?

Jesus.
Sarah Palin is a reckless politician.
How many times has she proven to be demonstrably wrong with her wording?

How many times has she opened her mouth?

Wasn't it Fox that broke the Bush DUI story?

If I recall his 4-5 point poll lead evaporated with the release of that story a few days before the election.

"Wasn't it Fox that broke the Bush DUI story?"

No. Bill O'Reilly claims it was. But -- brace yourself for whiplash-quality shock -- he's wrong. Here are a couple of links: www.ajr.org and www.democraticunderground.com

"If I recall his 4-5 point poll lead evaporated with the release of that story a few days before the election."

Apparently not.

"The revelation certainly got quick currency: By Friday night, 91 percent of likely voters had heard or read about it. But it didn't change a thing: Bush has 49 percent support, Gore 45 percent, Ralph Nader three and Pat Buchanan one essentially where the race has been, give or take a few points, since Labor Day."
a.abcnews.com

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