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Vitaly L. Ginzburg, the Russian physicist who helped develop the first Soviet hydrogen bomb and went on to win the Nobel Prize, died in Moscow on Sunday. He was 93. After World War II, Ginzburg worked with Andrei Sakharov, later one of the Soviet Union's most famous dissidents, to develop the Soviet hydrogen bomb.

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nobel peace prize for the developer of the h bomb. how fitting. i mean it really is, since nobel invented dynamite. what a screwed up world we live in. peace prizes from weapons makers awarded to other weapon makers.

Knowledge tidbit. The Peace Prize is awarded by Norway, not Sweden.

Had Ginzburg not developed the hydrogen bomb for Russia, America and the Europeans in NATO would have eventually fought another war with Russia. It would have made Hiroshima and Nagasaki just a foot note in history. WWIII would have been even more notorious.

BTW...dynamite was originally invented for mining and building the railroads. It was the war industry world wide that developed its use as weapons, not Alfred Nobel.

"Had Ginzburg not developed the hydrogen bomb for Russia..."

...someone else would've done the job.


He won the Nobel Prize for Physics for work in superconductors and superfluids, not for creating the USSR atomic weapon.


But then again, I know many here aren't long on using real facts, just imagined ones.

dynamite was originally invented for mining and building the railroads. It was the war industry world wide that developed its use as weapons, not Alfred Nobel.

#3 | Posted by RingMaster

Any technology can and will be perverted and abused if a use can be found to kill each other.

Howzat for the Cheery Thought of the Day.

It was a Commie nuke. That means it was only defensive.
--Drunk_Dwarf

So will he be seated with Einstein and Oppenheimer at their table.

#1 - "nobel peace prize for the developer of the h bomb. how fitting. i mean it really is, since nobel invented dynamite. what a screwed up world we live in. peace prizes from weapons makers awarded to other weapon makers."

It wasn't the Peace Prize he won, it was the Nobel for Physics. The Peace prize is one of several Nobels awarded each year, there are also awards for physics, economics, mathematics and other disciplines as well.

Had Ginzburg not developed the hydrogen bomb for Russia, America and the Europeans in NATO would have eventually fought another war with Russia. It would have made Hiroshima and Nagasaki just a foot note in history. WWIII would have been even more notorious.

The US should have listened to Patton and just kept on fighting and defeated Russia during WWII. It would have made the world a safer place and would have saved millions of lives from death at the hands of communism. If Stalin would have lost power, Mao never gets off the ground - that alone saves 20M+ Chinese, 10M+ Vietnamese, 5M Cambodians, countless Koreans, etc. Pretending that cooperating with communistist and the US not defeating them before they went nuclear is simply foolish. By the way, has anyone ever read the theory the the bombs dropped on Japan were actually Nazi bombs? The story is that the US program was a failure and that was the reason for only 2 bombs as they were captured German bombs when Bavaria fell to the Americans.

He also spoke out against the increasingly close relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church. In 2007 he and several other scientists signed an open letter to Vladimir V. Putin, who was then Russia's president and is now its prime minister, expressing concern with the "increased clericalization of Russian society."

No wonder the righties hate him.

By the way, has anyone ever read the theory the the bombs dropped on Japan were actually Nazi bombs?

No. The Manhattan Project versus the failed German project makes that pretty clear.

The US should have listened to Patton and just kept on fighting and defeated Russia during WWII.
-GoodLittleNazi

So the Good Little Nazi thinks the US should have gone after the USSR... maybe he should read up on what happened to his Nazi pals when they tried to do that in 1941.

It would have been a foolish endeavour, but satisfying since Stalin originally wanted to keep the USSR neutral and do the same to the west at the close of WWII. Even if we had emerged victorious, management of the postwar environment would have been extremely difficult. The Germans began their invasion of the USSR in late June and arrived at the gates of Moscow by December. Had the US kept going after Germany surrendered in late April, we may have arrived at Moscow before the worst of winter set in. Even if the US was lucky enough to take Moscow by that time, how do you occupy the Soviet Union in winter? We would have faced the same tooth-and-nail resistance as the Nazis.

I imagine a Good Little Nazi would also revel in the abomination of nuclear warfare. We only had enough fissile material for two deployable nuclear weapons since a test was needed for the implosion-assembled plutonium bomb. Those weapons would not be ready until July/August of 1945 and it would be months before more were ready. Neither were needed in the Pacific conflict, so they would probably have been used on the USSR. Would the US drive to Moscow with conventional forces or hold a perimiter and nuke them once the weapons were ready? How would the resolve of the Japanese have been effected had the US continued to fight on a second front? In addition to the millions killed by the war itself, how many millions more would die from radiation poisoning and starvation? I imagine it would be enough to give Good Little Nazi an erection even without the little blue pill's help.

Well, obviously Nazi boy never read about the butterfly enigma.

The Germans began their invasion of the USSR in late June and arrived at the gates of Moscow by December. Had the US kept going after Germany surrendered in late April, we may have arrived at Moscow before the worst of winter set in.

I don't think that would have been the case. I think the Allies would have been unlikely to get out of the borders of greater Prussia in 1945 as the Red Army was fully scaled up and in Berlin at the end of the war. On the plus side, the Allies could have taken the 1M former Soviet prisoners that were fighting for the Nazi's and used them to fight for the Allies against the Soviets easing the burden.

I think it is estimated that 60M people died in WWII, that is less than Moa killed in China alone as a result of unconfronted communism. Yes, more people would have died fighting the Soviets, but less would have died than allowing communism to take root.

but less would have died than allowing communism to take root. Still would have. To take on the Russians would have meant gutting the Pacific fighting forces. Think the Brits and Aussies would have been up for taking the lead in the Pacific? The europeans for joining in Europe?
Mao was winning his war in China even as the war in the Pacific raged on. Think japan and russia wouldn't have partnered up with a deal for mao in China?

And without those millions dying, including probably a million Americans, communism is all gone bye-bye, except for that little island in the Gulf that gets righties all bent out of shape.

Now if you had of suggested taking out saudi arabia after 9-11, I might be a bit more interested...

Nazi,
I strongly recommend you read The Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer before you start mouthing off about how the Germans made it to Moscow. They paid dearly for their folly and we would have paid the same.

The United States and NATO had a responsibility to eliminate the Soviet Union as an on going military threat and with a supreme lack of courage allowed the evil empire develop nuclear weapons and enslave Eastern Europe and the captured asian lands. A lot less people would have died if Stalin (the original Obamist) would have been stopped as soon as possible.

Oh, did I write Obamist? I meant evil communist dictator.

A lot less people would have died if Stalin (the original Obamist) would have been stopped as soon as possible.

#17 | POSTED BY CONSTUCT

I didn't think there was actually anybody on here that was capable of rational thought - you have proven me wrong. You are 100% correct in seeing Stalin as the true evil in the world. 60M dead Chinese alone as a result of communism. The Communists Black Book cited 90M+ all told but they are severely under counting as they did not include any the homodor or the millions of Poles killed by the Soviets.

Booboy - where did I mouth off about marching on Moscow? If you read and understood my post, I said that they would have had a hard time just reaching the border of old Prussia.

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