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A chief spokesman for the conservative American Family Association called for Muslim soldiers to be purged from military ranks in the wake of the tragic killings at Fort Hood. Bryan Fischer, AFA's Director of Issues Analysis, put up a blog post Friday where he wrote, "It it is time, I suggest, to stop the practice of allowing Muslims to serve in the U.S. military. The reason is simple: the more devout a Muslim is, the more of a threat he is to national security. Devout Muslims, who accept the teachings of the Prophet as divinely inspired, believe it is their duty to kill infidels. Yesterday's massacre is living proof."

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Should people put their religious beliefs above their duty in the military? Absolutely not. Do thousands of muslims serve honarably? Yes.

Whoever thinks we should ban a certain religion is a nutbar. On top of that, if someone is found to make questionable statements regarding their country while serving, they should be investigated.

Agreed

"Should people put their religious beliefs above their duty in the military? Absolutely not"

if you believe in God, God comes first.

i however think that by signing up for the Military, your duty to God is also to serve the role the military is giving you to best of your ability.

There are legal and better ways to fight injustice to your faith if you believe it being attacked especially in the USA where military religious bias is against the law.

Murder is murder is murder and God (or diety(s) of choice) is clearly against murder and aggression at least in the major faiths.

you can be true to your faith and true to your military responsibilities and oath all at the same time. They don't contradict each other.

Muslims in the US military serve to prove that we are NOT at war with islam and our enemies are also Islam's enemies.

What a life.

Giving your life to God and your Soul to warmongers. How low does ones' self worth have to be?

Have fun explaining that one later.

If you feel God is before country, you should not be allowed to serve. When joining you are making a contract to defend the constitution of the US from all enemies foreign or domestic, regardless of your interpretation of what the big guy thinks.

If this is a conflict for you, you are free to not volunteer (and also be a conscientious objector in the even of conscription).

you can be true to your faith and true to your military responsibilities and oath all at the same time. They don't contradict each other.

Unless you have already joined but start thinking they contradict eachother...at which point you should be shown the door.

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First is the report the perpetrator was dead and then hours later the revelation that he was still alive. Exactly how long does it take to determine if a person is dead or alive? Could it be no one knew whom the shooter or shooters were and a story had to be concocted for public consumption? What happened to the two other "suspects" that were detained? What did they do to qualify as suspects and more importantly, what information surfaced that led to their release? One of the suspects reportedly stated he "was with the shooter."

chief spokesman for the conservative American Family Association called for Muslim soldiers to be purged from military ranks in the wake of the tragic killings at Fort Hood.

We would be far better off if the AFA is purged from the United States.

The AFA overlooks the fact that America is a pluralistic swociety. That's what e pluribus unum means. Odd that they should forget that with all their yearning for the good old days. Their version of them anyway.

I don't feel that keeping muslims out is a smart way to do business. However, when someone makes the comments this Piece of shit made, they should be shown the door. It's bullshit that people ignored this man's obvious signs that he was an extremist.

I'm just curious as to how high up the rotten nut tree this goes. Someone with rank had to know Hasan was a terrorist. Once they knew this, they become his enabler. Someone is going down in flames for ignoring this POS.

Lonnie


What a Great Idea!!!!

Purge all the Muslims from the military. And then, when all the muslims became automatic enenmies to the united states, we need to just kill them right now. Why wait, the holidays are coming up? We need to go ahead and kill them all now, rape their women, violate their goats and slaughter their children. There is this one muslim girl at work, don't worry about her, I'll take care of her personally.

And let's do all that with a firm committment to our true faith - hatred. Isn't it exilerating to breathe in that clean fresh air of diceit?

Oh, and Do Not be distracted by those squealing Muslims that will try to tell you that they were born here, love america, apple pie AND andy griffith. We will kill them twice for being lying Muslims.

That'll teach them to pray to a different god than I do. What can I do anyway, 'IT'S GOD'S WILL'.

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A second gunman is in custody after a shooting at the Army's Fort Hood in Texas in which at least seven people were killed and 12 wounded, reports KCEN-TV of Waco. The report comes about two hours after a first suspect was captured, shortly after gunfire broke out.

Authorities say the gunmen were dressed in fatigues, though it's not confirmed whether they are military personnel. It's also not known if the victims were military personnel or civilians.

It's bullshit that people ignored this man's obvious signs that he was an extremist.

It's a tremendous failure on the part of some agency. I think we got lucky that this nut wasn't able to get in contact with al qaida or other extremist organizations. Instead of a lone gunman inflicting a few dozen casualties, we might be burying hundreds of servicemen and women right now.

That being said, the difficulties he had expose the flaws in the AFA's logic. If Muslims in the military are so untrustworthy, why did Hassan need to reach out to an overseas terrorist organization when he could have found co-conspirators far closer to home?

What happened to the two other "suspects" that were detained? What did they do to qualify as suspects and more importantly, what information surfaced that led to their release? One of the suspects reportedly stated he "was with the shooter."


#7 | Posted by IraqiBukkake


I think CNN reported that those two suspects were running for their lives to an adjacent building.

They were checked out and cleared.

Like I said, I don't think this is the right way to do business. I've known too many trustable muslims in the US military to say that they are all bad. Again, I think more than one agency screwed the pooch on this. First off people needed to report these comments to their local OSI/whatever the agency is for the Army. Secondly, they should have been looking around at this guy and talking to co-workers based on the comments he'd made. I don't suggest doing this to all muslims but the ones that want to make themselves a target by making anti-US military comments. We have to do this. We've now seen what happens when people don't report this kind of behavior and it's not worth the 13 lives this piece of shit took.

Lonnie

This is overreaction to the problem.

The terrorist only needs one time to wreck havoc and death.

We have to be right every single time to prevent the chaos.


Reports are that Hasan will be tried in military court.

So it took McVeigh and the DC Sniper to be brought to justice by the death penalty--what 5 to 7 years?

And I think that the military needs to check out everyone in the military that exhibits what Hasan was doing.

At least share information with FBI and CIA (and visa versa) on people that are spewing this kind of garbage.

This guy was a walking red flag.

I don't think it is necessary, desireable or practical to "purge" all muslims from the military (this may change though). I certainly think that the Army really fell short on doing thier duty with this last Jihad terrorist. If they come across another Islamic radical, hopefully they will not be sooo pc this time, and kick them the hell out. I feel that the military in genreal, needs to take a lot closer look at all Islamists in uniform and civilians serving the military.

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The AFA has shown exactly what kind of human garbage make up their organization.

The AFA has shown exactly what kind of human garbage make up their organization.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2009-11-09 08:24 PM


I'm just currious how you feel if one of your family were killed in a situation like this.

The Japanese fought with US troops in WW 2, but not in their country of origin. There was good reason for that, but many people won't look at things for what they really are.

Where AFA's Logic Leads!!!

"It it is time, I suggest, to stop the practice of allowing Muslims to serve in the U.S. military"

Really? By the AFA's logic it follows that the since the US Military "Murdered" over a million "innocent" people in Iraq and Afghanistan,then its well past time for "NOT" allowing "Americans" (who are all War Criminals) in the US Military!!!

We also don't need a Muslim Persident as Commander in Chief over the Military, Impeach him, and the 2 Devout Muslims he and Nopalitano appointed for politicial offices on Aug 20, 2009..
Obama appoints Two "Devout Muslims" to Homeland Security posts...

When individuals, for whatever reason they chose, join the military they accept the fact that Uncle Sam owns them until they get out. If an individual puts his religious ideology above his military duties then the machine breaks down. In any branch, in any country, you can't have that failure. If you have a muslim (an adherent to islam) so devout that he's praying 5 times a day towards mecca then I'm all for profiling that soldier. The military owns their people and it is up to the military branches to act and remove a problem before it escalates. Any enlisted/officer's actions are open to being monitored and if it takes profiling within the departments to ensure no chaos is done by a zealot bent on carrying out a religious edict then profiling should be done; the subject's actions watched and swift and sure decisions made to ensure that the objectives of the various branches of the military be carried out with no insurgency within the ranks.

My feelings aren't reactionary.

#22 | Posted by Dr_Feelgood

Heavy into his Rushbo bag of Oxy ...

how does it feel dr. dickfour

that your grandkids are going to be devout muslims.

hahahhaha

we're humping our way to a town near you.
run bitch.

Yah, purge them all, especially the ones who are fluent in arab culture. Send in a fresh load of red-headed crackers from Utah to do all the field intel. They'll do sooooooo much better.

If you feel God is before country, you should not be allowed to serve.


Allah commands Muslims to serve the country they belong to... not go out on their own private crusades.

This guy was stupid and should not have chosen to be in the army in the first place. He should've known that America being a petrol-thief of a country, would sooner or later go after muslim people.

Also, it is the fault of the American security services not to have removed this guy as he was already under observation.

"Also, it is the fault of the American security services not to have removed this guy as he was already under observation."


Of course you already know that any action against him would have been violently opposed by liberals, to whom political correctness trumps security. Even profiling won't protect us from liberals-in-charge.

Even profiling won't protect us from liberals-in-charge.


Are you trying to tell me that your "liberals" have such a hold on you that your security has been compromised?

Come on now! I don't believe it.

Come on now! I don't believe it.

Posted by Tosser


House, Senate, & POTUS.......libs-in-
charge...PCness reigns.

House, Senate, & POTUS.......libs-in-
charge...PCness reigns.


Such people aren't supposed to have any effect on how the FBI or whoever, works.

If they have had such an effect, as you suggest, then your goose is cooked.

toss this guy is full of shit.

liberals wouldn't allow it?

please
the guy is being a douchebag

please
the guy is being a douchebag


I know, I know...

In places like the US, it doesn't matter really who is running the damn Govt.... the machinery of the state continues to work regardless.

A political appointee or two at the head of some arm of the US Govt. shouldn't be able to make too much of a difference no matter where his/her political compass swings.

Which means the trouble is systemic and more serious than they realize. Having an election won't help. LOL

"Of course you already know that any action against him would have been violently opposed by liberals, to whom political correctness trumps security."

Is there a bull shit flag???

I think it would be pretty interesting to see how it would go after we expelled all Muslims from our military and then tried to convince Afghanis that America is their friend who wants to help them create a democratic government. I'm sure Ahmadinijad wouldn't use that also to destroy American credibility in Iran. Other allies in the War on Terrorrrrrr like Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc. would also then be forced to accept the idea that our "War on Terrorrrrrr" really is a religiously inspired Crusade.

It's bullshit that people ignored this man's obvious signs that he was an extremist.


Not only did they ignore his actions that indicated he was coming unglued, they denied his request to leave the military and then promoted him to Major.

The shortage of qualified mental health professionals in the military to deal with PTSD and the trauma of war that 500,000 GI's are going through is the cause for the military ignorring his requests for help and are in part responsible for the deaths.

Pakistan, etc. would also then be forced to accept the idea that our "War on Terrorrrrrr" really is a religiously inspired Crusade.


Many of us already accept it and know it to be true (just look at the Christians frothing at the mouth on DR).

Kicking all the muslims out would just be confirmation that we can use to convince some idiots in Pakistani political circles that yeah, we were right all along.

In 2 weeks, US will run out of supplies in Afghanistan as President Zardari loses his job (as he might do anyway) and the supply line is cut.

Kaput.

What a great idea. Now if we could just purge the Christians and the Jews too, we could abolish war altogether. The Buddhists don't like to kill each other. They believe in karma.

Murder is murder is murder and God (or diety(s) of choice) is clearly against murder and aggression at least in the major faiths.

#3 | Posted by klifferd

Then explain to us then why so many of 10s of millions of people have been killed and so many civilizations destroyed all in the name of God if God is so against murder?

So much suffering. So much pain. So much destruction.

The inhabitants of the Americas were not a threat, but their god/s was/were different. These people were slaughtered and/or enslaved in the name of God and Jesus Christ. Of course the fact that gold was involved helped a lot. Or land. What was that niggling little thing about coveting your neighbor's goods? I guess that didn't apply if the neighbor's skin was red, or black or olive or yellow for that matter.

History is rife with mass killings in the name of somebody's god.

There was even the Holy Burning Shrub who said he was told to invade Iraq by god.

If this is a conflict for you, you are free to not volunteer (and also be a conscientious objector in the even of conscription).

#5 | Posted by andyuhenet

But then you are labeled coward, yellow, pussy, and subsequently demeaned, insulted, and belittled. To be a man, you must be ready and wanting to kill, kill, kill. Otherwise you are no man at all.

Don't forget, this isn't the first Muslim in the military to attack other soldiers. Remember the guy who threw a grenade into some soldier's tent? It may not be a rampant problem but it definitely is a problem that needs to be dealt with in some fashion. Maybe extra psych screenings of Muslims or something. I don't know, but something needs to be done.

A fair number of Christains would agree that the deeply religious, including themselves, should not be in uniform, for the simple and practical reason that they will not be able to reliably follow orders.

In and of itself, this does not bother me. However, its does open a door for fakers wishing to avoid duty (not an issue right now with no draft, but something to keep in mind)

As for a blanket "No Muslims" policy, that would be as stupid as saying that Islam does not have a SERIOUS problem with violent militants that other religions do NOT have.

Sadly, avoiding the temptation of a "no Muslims" policy will be pointless unless Islam makes headway on an internal shake up, rejecting the root theological teachings that give power to groups like Al Quada. This will involve FORMALLY and PUBLICLY rejecting some ancient scholars who have not yet been rejected, AND making the rejection stick.

In short, the entire premacy of the militant suras needs to be rejected, and MADE TO STICK.

But then you are labeled coward, yellow, pussy, and subsequently demeaned, insulted, and belittled. To be a man, you must be ready and wanting to kill, kill, kill. Otherwise you are no man at all.

A real man wouldn't care what others think of him.

There was even the Holy Burning Shrub who said he was told to invade Iraq by god.

#39 | Posted by ZOT

Yes, we all know that there have been more wars and deaths in the name of religion and some god. The problem is, it's not going to stop any time soon. Until this world can reach a higher consciousness as a whole this will continue to happen. And most other countries are way behind America in this.

Bush was an idiot for allowing his religious views to govern his actions and policies. At least we now have a president who didn't let his church to allow too much God into his head. He just got a full dose of racism and America bashing. So, he won't start a war in the name o9f God, but he may allow harm to come to America in other ways. I believe he already has.

'Devout Muslims, who accept the teachings of the Prophet as divinely inspired, believe it is their duty to kill infidels.'

Is that statement true?

Until this world can reach a higher consciousness as a whole this will continue to happen.

#44 | Posted by everlong

I don't know what this means. What, we all become Buddhists? Nothing will ever get done then.

well let me ask this again

hey obama.

how is that muslim outreach and apology program working out for you?

and it continues in iran as well as they give him the finger while getting closer to military action or just let them have the nuke.

remove them all..I dont know

but sure as hell remove the ones with the GLARING RED FLAGS that this asshole was flying.

Obama has been in office longer than Bush was on 9/11. So, I assume that the same wack-jobs that blamed Bush for the intelligence failure that lead to 9/11 will now blame Obama for this intelligence failure. Since he was CIC from day one, I guess they could even say that this terrorist was part of Obama's military and worked under his command.

Can we get an ABSURD flag? some times offensive/abusive just doesn't quite fit.


Obama has been in office longer than Bush was on 9/11. So, I assume that the same wack-jobs that blamed Bush for the intelligence failure that lead to 9/11 will now blame Obama for this intelligence failure. Since he was CIC from day one, I guess they could even say that this terrorist was part of Obama's military and worked under his command.

#48 | Posted by Redman at 2009-11-10 02:06 PM | Reply |

To be clear you don't seem to know what the fuck you're talking about as it relates to Bush and 9/11. It had little to do with his time in office.

I don't know what this means. What, we all become Buddhists? Nothing will ever get done then.

#46 | Posted by ZOT

It means reaching a level of understanding that war is not the way to end disputes. It's not a Buddhist thing necessarily but it probably does come from that line of thought. In other words, we all have a lot of growing up to do.

I have to take off my shoes every time I pass thru airport security.... the Military should find some measures to check Muslims in the army....

#48 | Posted by Redman at 2009-11-10 02:06 PM

Did Obama receive briefings and warnings like Bush did? Nope. And:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Did Obama receive briefings and warnings like Bush did? Nope

I'm sure you have the inside scoop on what briefings little o receives, but if he didn't then it's an intelligence failure on his watch. I suspect he was just too preoccupied having a beer with Prof Gates and campaigning for the Olympics to be bothered with a little matter like Islamic terrorists in his military.

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