was this before or after McCain told him that he "hate(s) gooks and will hate them for the rest of his life"

Are you a sore winner? McCain got walloped and is a non-factor. He is 1 vote in a 40 seat Republican Senate presence.

Jackass - the Democrats that voted against healthcare reform, they were doing so because their constituents were against it, trying to save their political life. Did they do the right thing? Or do you think they did it because of healthcare lobbying? How much money has big pharma given to the Dems that bucked Speaker Pelosi and went their own way?

726 I was referring to the House Dems that voted against it. Joe is threatening to filibuster because he's received money from health ins. cos in his state. The house dems that voted against the bill come from conservative districts, that is what I was addressing.

Klifferd I'm not a sore loser. What have I ever said that would lead you to believe that? Republicans got our asses kicked due to fucking around for a near decade. Elections have consequences, and I expect the Dems to take advantage as they should. You are obsessed with trying to make yourself feel better by insulting a guy who isn't a factor.

What purpose does that serve? You should take your energy and put it into making sure your party passes the agenda that you voted them in for, not making cheap and easy shots at the losing parties candidate, a vanquished foe. Maybe you feel your party is failing you and attacking the Reps makes you feel better? I'm not sure. You'll have to figure that out on your own.

Good luck!

726 single payer is the way to go, I wonder how many dem reps would rather see that path be taken. It would actually lower costs. I think that this bill will increase cost and just have another government bureaucracy fumbling around, but single payer would reduce paperwork, make access 100%, lower costs (like if you pay cash for a dr. visit as opposed to what the insurance company pays due to paperwork / processing).

I wonder how many votes Pelosi could drum up if there was a vote for single payer (which would be a bill well under 2,000 pages).

Jackass - You either want coverage for more Americans or you don't. Those who voted for it are worthy of praise. Those who didn't are rotten scum sucking evil parasitic bastards.

I'll accept your premise entirely and ask: What if their constituents are rotten scum sucking evil parasitic bastards?

726 - If you're right and 52% of his district was for it (you didn't provide a link so I'll just accept that number) he was probably friendly with healthcare lobbyists, or the intensity of the 48% not pro health reform called his office with more intensity. I'm sure he won't be getting support from the DNC in 2010, which he shouldn't.

There were more Dems voting against the legislation than this guy though, and I'd assume that some of them are doing so due to opposition in their district.

Klifferd, this is a tired point, so you will probably ignore it, but you aren't embarrassed of Byrd? I'm glad you can spend so much focus on making sure the Republican party "purges itself of haters" while the Democratic party is filled with people as pure as the wind driven snow.

Or is there some nuance I am missing that allows a former KKK member to be justified?

Pass Medicare Part E through reconciliation and be done with all of this before the end of the year.

Danni thats what I thought they would do until I learned that you have to get 60 votes to get to a vote, which could then be done through the nuclear option.

Klifferd - sorry to call you a Dem. It sounded like you were coming from a Dem point of view, and it is a 2 party system, regardless of how shitty that is.

Both parties are filled with morons, but thats just the way it is. You just have to try to encourage the group of morons closer to your view to pass (or kill) legislation that you like or dislike.

That being sad, McCain and other Rep's downfalls don't make their parties any less legitimate than the competition, which is the angle I thought you were taking.