Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

A storm has erupted over the announcement last month that an experimental AIDS vaccine tested in Thailand proved modestly effective. The trial has now been called into question as overblown and possibly destructive.

$10 million of stimulus money was to be used to fund a phase 3 clinical trial of a promising anti-smoking vaccine produced by Nabi Pharmaceuticals. Another company working on a similar vaccine has not been successful.

The moment evidence was found that obesity may be linked to a virus, opportunistic drug researchers were developing an obesity vaccine, which was announce could be ready for market in five years.

Like something out of a sci-fi flick, nano-microchips invisible to the naked eye are a reality that are already being hosted in wide-range of applications.

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Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a Harvard-trained emerging diseases expert

LOL now that's slapping some serious lipstick on that pig.

Lenny boy is a dentist with an MPH and a quack to boot.

For the record I do think vaccines are becoming seen as the easy way out.

What was the best defense against communicable diseases that you'd get regardless of age, sex ect is not being applied as an easy way out for complex problems like obesity and smoking.

jpw, perhaps you get your information from wiki [which tacitly credits him as "DMD, MA, MPH (b. 1952- ); a former dentist, a health industry entrepreneur, and the author of a number of books, pamphlets, DVDs, CDs and articles on public health issues; the books and pamphlets have been published under his own Tetrahedron imprint].

Slight liberal slant there?


Dr. Leonard Horowitz
Biography:

Dr. Len Horowitz is an internationally known authority in behavioral science, public health education, and health practice management. He received his doctorate from Tufts University, was awarded a fellowship to do behavioral research at the University of Rochester, and later earned a Master of Public Health degree in behavioral science from Harvard University and a Masters degree in health education from Beacon College. One of healthcare's most captivating motivational speakers, Len has served on the faculties of Tufts University, Harvard University, and Leslie College's Institute for the Arts and Human Development, directed a multidisciplinary health center for over a decade, and currently serves as President of Tetrahedron, Inc., a nonprofit health educational corporation.



But nice attempt anyways to discredit the whole article when he didn't even contribute to any of it (Mercola commented on him outside of his article).

I'd be really curious to hear educated commentary about nano-particles and use in China as well as the science of nano-microchips, how it's not such a leap with current technology for vaccines as a delivery mechanism in the pharma industry's training of the already dumbed-down public.

LR's posts are like an episode of that fox series "Fringe". It's a chain of entertaining but fanciful ghost stories whose authors cared nothing about plausibility or scientific accuracy.

Somehow on the last episode, a porphyrin-shaped "molecule" (with each carbon substituted by sodium and a sulfur coordinated in the middle) was explanation for a radiation-eating monster. It tries desperately to be the X-Files, but fails miserably. The sad thing is LR actually believes shit that is not even fit for a crappy TV show's plot. WTF.

But of course, the truth is out there. Enough LSD and time spent on the World Net Daily will surely lead you to it...

Then again, I'm giving acid a bad reputation by associating it with the pathologically dimwitted fuckstains who cry wolf over the conspiracy theory du jour.

Clueless,

Most can see through your continued ad-hominem attacks.

Here's a quarter, L_R. Buy a new catch phrase.

Here's Leonard Horowitz' biography.

"Leonard George Horowitz DMD, MA, MPH (b. 1952- ) is a former dentist, a health industry entrepreneur, and the author of a number of books, pamphlets, DVDs, CDs and articles on public health issues; the books and pamphlets have been published under his own Tetrahedron imprint.

Horowitz's theories about viruses and about the dangers of vaccination have been well-received in some quarters. On several websites besides Horowitz's own, Bo Gritz is quoted suggesting that he deserves a Nobel Prize. The Nation of Islam cautioned African-American parents about vaccination of their children, and Horowitz seems to have had significant influence on their decision to make this announcement. On May 28, 2008, Senator Barack Obama's former pastor at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, Jeremiah Wright, mentioned Horowitz's Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola in defense of a statement Wright had made during a sermon: that the U.S. Government "lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." Many might term Horowitz's conclusions conspiracy theories, and it appears that Horowitz himself would be among them, since he was a speaker at Conspiracy Con in 2001, 2004 and 2007.[1]"
en.wikipedia.org

Ah yes. Experts in the field such as Bo Gritz, the Nation of Islam, and Jeremiah Wright. It don't get much better than that.

#7,8 prey
Did you read the posts, or you were too lazy to get past #1? So what do you do, you also paste Wiki biography.

Buy a new catch phrase


Could some lefties be any more clueless?

Continue to listen to self-aggrandizing idiots who have no basis for their hare-brained theories, L_R.

self-aggrandizing idiots who have no basis for their hare-brained theories, L_R.

You just described it to a t.

Interesting the king of pharma has no brainy comments on this one. And he patronizes the even less brainy preyer.

I posted numero uno dumb fuck.

king of pharma

I wish. Then I could drive a much nicer car. Live in a much nicer home. Use my money to lobby for you to get a mandatory, forced H1N1 vaccine. You know, all the good things in life.

JPW

I wish. Then I could drive a much nicer car. Live in a much nicer home. Use my money to lobby for you to get a mandatory, forced H1N1 vaccine. You know, all the good things in life.

You're sort of our honorary medical researcher here on DR.

Give me your honest opinion on the H1N1 swine flu shot. (I already had the other regular flu shot for this year in October.) Is it true that the H1N1 vaccine has already mutated since it first came out and that this particular vaccine is relatively untested? Have you gotten this particular vaccine yourself? Just wondering.

Give me your honest opinion on the H1N1 swine flu shot. (I already had the other regular flu shot for this year in October.)

I'm not a clinician or an influenza expert, so this is solely a personal opinion. However, I feel it is not a bad idea to get the H1N1 vaccine if you can. I've yet to see evidence that the vaccine is dangrous and have seen evidence that it induces a high level of immunity.

Is it true that the H1N1 vaccine has already mutated since it first came out...

I can't give you a 100% answer. Nothing I've read indicates that it has mutated and I wouldn't have expected it to mutate significantly at this point in time. A virus will mutate when a selective pressure is applied. This pressure is usually in the form of wide spread immunity in the population, something we don't have yet.

and that this particular vaccine is relatively untested? Have you gotten this particular vaccine yourself? Just wondering.

Define "relatively."

The H1N1 vaccine trials are currently underway. However, they are several months old and are largely measuring the length of the immune response they induce. Safety is not an issue as this point in time as test subjects (plus many many others) have been inoculated for an extended period of time, a long enough time to expose any significant safety issues.

For your last question- no I have not gotten vaccinated yet. The vaccine are in low supply where I am at and I don't feel I should get one over someone else.

Thanks, JPW, for your #15 answer. Just got back on here and wanted to let you know I read it.

You asked me to "Define 'relatively.'"

By "relatively untested" I mean the short period of time where this new H1N1 vaccine has been available for public consumption and to receive the stats back as to its effectiveness. Of course I'm not reading in-depth medical journals but merely news articles so....

You also wrote --

The vaccine are in low supply where I am at and I don't feel I should get one over someone else.

It's in short supply here in Southern California also. At first the news was reporting anyone who got the swine flu shot in the 1970s would have immunity now over those who never received the swine flu vaccine back then, but later I read that's incorrect as it was an altogether different type of swine flu back then and would not be effective today.

If it is in short supply it should be given to emergency and medical personnel first along with those with compromised immune systems, the very young and the elderly. I feel as you do, if it's in short supply give it to those who need it most.

By "relatively untested" I mean the short period of time where this new H1N1 vaccine has been available for public consumption and to receive the stats back as to its effectiveness. Of course I'm not reading in-depth medical journals but merely news articles so....

The problem with influenza vaccines is you don't have the luxury of time.

Seasonal vaccines have been used for years now, so we know that the process by which the vaccines are made doesn't produce any safety problems.

Trials were started early so that the dosage and safety of this particular vaccine could be assessed. It didn't raise any red flags, so it was OKd for general use.

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