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Three doctors and a nurse have been arrested for allegedly selling newborns after telling their mothers they had died. Police uncovered the scheme after one of the women learnt her baby was alive and had been sold to a woman for 15,000 pesos ($1240), said Mexico City's deputy attorney general, Luis Genaro. The woman gave birth to a girl through caesarean section at the private Central West Hospital in a working-class district in October 2008, Mr Genaro said.

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That poor Daby. I feel for the Dother as well.

Is a Daby a Baby that was birthed out of Her Daddy instead of Mommy??

Larry

The Dillies suck.

"learnt"?

Really?

Conversion of post-birth masses of tissue.

A simple property crime.

Stay Classy!

#1-5
what kind of low-life would react to the story in such a way?

You all have volunteered your next child/grand-child (esp. #5) to the scum who do this regularly [more commonly child-services predators' extraction from home for high-state reimbursement for adoptions]

"Child services predators..."

Like to see the evidence for that. Seems it would be hard to keep something like that hidden in, say, a state like Texas.

The judges approving the removals would have to be in on it, of course. And I suppose counsel for both defense and District Attorney? Maybe Gov. Perry gets a cut?

Perhaps those "doctors" should be incarcerated before any families take up the vendetta.. I would be hard-pressed to not permit it, although I don't condone murder in any form.

Mexican working-class families have been victimized by poverty and a terribly slanted legal system. What a travesty when their own doctors steal their babies. Sickening.

And not one Holdren remark! You guys are keeping it "classy"!:]

Mexico is fucked.

"victimized by poverty"

Notice the libspeak. Victimized by poverty.

Like poverty is a thing that acts upon them as opposed to a condition associated with certain characteristics.

Once people are attacked by poverty, they can appeal to the government for help in defending against that mean poverty monster that keeps attacking them. Oh, and poverty is a predator that seeks out certain groups too.

Stay tuned. Republicans are "victims of an ideology that seeks to minimize intervention in the commercial sphere.


Let me guess. You must have obtained high grades in college.

"As opposed to a condition associated with certain characteristics...."

Laissez faire capitalism?

Want to tell me I'm wrong? I'd enjoy that.

"Seeks to minimize intervention in the commercial sphere...."

"Minimize"? So, there has to be some intervention?

Oh, I see. You and I actually agree. It's just a matter of degree to which you think capitalists create poor people.

What horrible people! I can't understand how they can sleep at night much less look at themselves in a mirror knowing they caused such needless heartache.

I can't even imagine what the families who had this doctor are thinking after hearing this.

"What horrible people...."

I agree. But the quickest way to get some "individualists" to defend these doctors is to mention they also took out insurance policies so they could personally benefit in the event of these stolen infant's death.

That would make the entire enterprize just clever.

Since when does minimize require intervention?

Capitalism creates wealth. Wealth is owned by people. People with wealth are wealthy.

Even poor people in so called capitalist systems are much wealthier than poor people in so called non-capitalist systems.

Please don't cite all the poor people in the US with swollen bellies and TV's with less than 42" screens.

Capitalism isn't a zero sum system. Something libs don't seem to realize.

Didn't Ayn Rand say this was OK, somewhere in one of her screwball books?

I guss your point is that since poverty exists in "capitalist" systems, capitalists create poor people.

What logic!

So which economic system has no poverty again? Poverty doesn't exist in non-capitalist systems? I hope not. You would have to explain how non-capitalist systems didn't create it.

Our unemployment ate is now over 10%. Go on thinking that government is going to create jobs through further intervention.

Government intervention brought us this housing crisis that destroyed the economy to begin with. Without all those government guaranteed mortgages and mandated sub-prime lending, there would have been no housing bubble to burst. No resulting shock wave that could have pushed the unemployment rate to 8% (per Barry) unless we ran up 4X the deficits of the Bush administration.

Here we are over 10% now. Keep stimulating the dems and you will get a load on your face. I guess you like that though.

"Capitalism isn't a zero=sum system..."

You mean to say zero-sum game.

That is, you mean to say a gain for an owner of capital doesn't neccessarily result in a loss for someone who isn't.

I agree "not neccessarily". But zero-sum game play isn't unknown in capitalism either. These situations are represented (among other ways) by circumstances in which there is outright theft by capitalists.

We've just gone through a cycle of exactly that sort of theft, something you may have not noticed.

Hence, in large part, current economic malaise, largely not experienced by a minority of persons who helped create it precisely because they gambled they wouldn't have to experience it.

"Government intervention brought us this housing crisis that brought down the economy to begin with...."

And you really think that's all there is to it? Really? Is there something wrong with you that you don't read newspapers, or does someone pay you to report such silly things on blogs?

"Keep stimulating Dems and you will get a load on your face..."

I have this fantasy financial interventions thus far have allowed you to keep your job.

You do work? Well, employed or not, if you benefited directly or indirectly you should be able to calculate the dollar amount.

You'll have no problem given your convictions returning that money to your fellow tax payers will you, O Rugged Individualist?

Or returning any other money you've received directly or indrectly from government programs (Include tax loopholes) over what I'm sure are the many years of your life?

And remember, no whining when you do so. Wouldn't fit with the image you want to project.

I'm afraid to ask, HOPEYCHANGEY, but just what exactly is the attitude of the Atlas Shrugged crowd towards selling babies?

"You mean to say zero-sum game."

No, economists refer to it as a zero sum system. Try to keep up.

"Hence, in large part, current economic malaise, largely not experienced by a minority of persons who helped create it precisely because they gambled they wouldn't have to experience it."

Yes, name a single government official who has lost his job. Barney Frank perhaps?

Do you really think it was just capitalism that inflicted this mess in spite of regulatory attempts? Is there something wrong with you that you don't read newspapers, or does someone pay you to report such silly things on blogs?

Not convinced of government's inability to manage this disaster? If our government hired a private sector firm that said "Give me hundreds of billions of dollars to solve this problem or the unemployment rate might go as high as 8%", do you think we would still be employing that firm now with 10% unemployment? So who in our government has liost their job?

"I have this fantasy financial interventions thus far have allowed you to keep your job."

Yes, that's a fantasy. I lost my job 5 weeks ago.

I calculate the dollar amount of having lost my job as a result of this economy at VERY LARGE.

How's that economic stimulus working out for me? It ain't and the drag it will create on this economy will just prolong this horror and inflict malaise for many years to come.

"You'll have no problem given your convictions returning that money to your fellow tax payers will you, O Rugged Individualist?"

I have paid over 1/2 of my earned income in various taxes. - sales, property, income, etc. How much of that do I get back under this 'O Rugged Individualist" scenario?

Keep digging.

I'm afraid to ask, HOPEYCHANGEY, but just what exactly is the attitude of the Atlas Shrugged crowd towards selling babies?

#22 | Posted by Zed

The anarcho-capitalist loons don't have any problem with people selling their body parts, or selling themselves into slavery. Given their premise that all human interactions should be reduced to capitalist commodity exchanges, it's consistent, at least.

Now that is the kind of criminal scum that should automatically get death sentences, or life without possible parole.
And why are all the liberal, silly, selfish, left-nut, scumbags not voicing their defence of innocent children instead of defending murderous terrorists, and predjuiced evil lying poloticians???
That reveals their true character I would think...

I hope authorities can track down all the babies that were kidnapped and return them to their mothers. I can't say here what I would like to see done to those who perpetuated these crimes.

"victimized by poverty"

Notice the libspeak. Victimized by poverty.
Like poverty is a thing that acts upon them as opposed to a condition associated with certain characteristics.
Once people are attacked by poverty, they can appeal to the government for help in defending against that mean poverty monster that keeps attacking them. Oh, and poverty is a predator that seeks out certain groups too.
Stay tuned. Republicans are "victims of an ideology that seeks to minimize intervention in the commercial sphere.
Let me guess. You must have obtained high grades in college.
#11 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-11-07 06:17 PM

Yeah, I admit that I'm not the brightest bauble on the tree, but that's no reason to deflect with empire-building rhetoric. Look at what kind of poverty we've created around the globe - South America and the Middle East are particularly where natural resources are exploitable without a military to protect it. Capitalists are vultures, killing the weaker, the most vulnerable and the exploitable. Amoralists such as yourself don't feel pain, or even comprehend the institutions that have been constructed just for those purposes. Air America ring a bell? What about South American Fruit Company? Ford's slave labor? Nike's? Sai Pan? Capitalism is plainly not the best means to the greater good and invariably requires oversight and limitations.

The real reason for the "mortgage meltdown" is the "asset" bundling, re-working those loans into falsely advertised risks and then selling them to other institutions such as foreign banks. The "emergency" bailout was used to purchase smaller, local banks - not to cover the asset loss, the citizen bankruptcies and families who paid their share back on time did lose their homes from that.

I'm glad that you've lost your job only five weeks ago. Good friggin' luck.

"Look at what kind of poverty we've created around the globe"

Kind of seeing the glass 1/10 full aren't we? Look at all the wealth we have created across the globe! The scientific achievements!

Europe, Asia, South America, you name it!

"Amoralists such as yourself"

Please, don't be such a self-righteous ass.

"Capitalists are vultures, killing the weaker, the most vulnerable and the exploitable."

Anti-capitalists have killed and impoverished on a scale that is unimaginable. China under Mao, Russia and the Soviet Union, North Vietnam, North Korea, Cambodia, etc. etc. You really are naive, pumping your fist with your "Down with capitalism" chanting. Still rebelling against your parents and "the man"?

"The real reason for the "mortgage meltdown" is the "asset" bundling, re-working those loans into falsely advertised risks and then selling them to other institutions such as foreign banks."

No. The economy was running at full steam from the housing bubble. Prices rose higher and higher due to increased demand. People puilled equity out of their houses and bought stuff and things because they knew that the equity would be replaced. Those opurchases reated additional demand and prosperity in the economy.

Everyone rushing to buy with low interest rates and 5% or no money down loans. Do you think the free market was responsible for offering loans for 5% and no money down? Remember when you needed 20% down to buy a house? I do. What happened was the government mandated relaxed loan standards. Something the private sector, on its own and having to bear risk, would never have done. The government agreed to bear the risk at taxpayer expense. The reason no one was risk averse was because the government created an unsustainable demand curve under the guise of helping everyone get into a house. All the politicians (repubs and dems) patted themselves on the back.

If the government hadn't required sub-prime loans and guaranteed mortgage securities to begin with, the houising market would have chugged along with people buying $150,000 houses instead of $300,000 houses or not buying a house at all instead of a $150,000 house. They wouldn't have sucked out their equity to buy stuff and things. Banks wouldn't have offered low interest loans to people with 5% or no money down becase of the risk involved. No risk? No reason to verify income or ability to pay the mortgage.

I had clients who would pull the equity out of one house and use it to buy two more. They weren't worried because the demand, fueled by goernment policies kept prices rising.

No I was not in the real estate or banking fields but they were my clients. You can guess the rest.

#28 | Posted by HopeyChangey

--You already got your answer:

"The real reason for the "mortgage meltdown" is the "asset" bundling, re-working those loans into falsely advertised risks and then selling them to other institutions such as foreign banks...."

#27 | Posted by redlightrobot

The GOP couldn't wait to let Wall Street bundle mortgages again. Gramm-Leach did it.

Same mess as '29 all over again for the same reasons.

"The GOP couldn't wait to let Wall Street bundle mortgages again. Gramm-Leach did it."

So what? Explain for me the mechanism by which the institutional investors (the only ones who purchased these) getting hit put the little guy out of his house the street?

The bundling, in the absence of the government forcing lending institutions to relax standards, make loans and and guaranteeing risk of failure couldn't have caused this. PROVE IT!

And look! They are doing it again!

www.reuters.com

Demand could only be maintained at that rate for so long and when it leveled off and the interest rates adjusted, a perfect storm, voila! That's what put the little guy out on the street.


Wall Street bundled derivatives that provided money for a new plethora of new unregulated 'mortgage brokers', who opened storefront offices and gave mortgages to anyone who could breathe and flipped the paper with no risk to themselves.

Gramm-Leech overturned 70 years of prudence in keeping Wall Street and the mortgage industry apart.

"So what? Explain for me the mechanism by which the institutional investors (the only ones who purchased these) getting hit put the little guy out of his house the street?"

I really don't care to take the time to explain it all to you tonight. Suffice it to say that before Gramm-Leech things had been just fine for the 70 years following the Great Depression - the last time Wall Street was allowed to bundle money for mortgages.

"Wall Street bundled derivatives that provided money for a new plethora of new unregulated 'mortgage brokers', who opened storefront offices and gave mortgages to anyone who could breathe and flipped the paper with no risk to themselves."

Almost. But could there have been another reason why storefront lenders sprang up? Read what I said again. No risk to themselves - yes - as in the government assumed these risks in exchange for forcing them to make sub-prime loans and loans that they would never have given if they had to bear the risks. Giving mortages to anyone who can breath - yes - because it was mandated through parts 1 and 2 of the Community Reinvestment Act and if the government is going to guarantee your risks, what's the down side?

What do you mean they weren't regulated? You libs are all the same. Let me explain something to you. Risk is the best regulation of all. There is a simple rule in economics. If you subsidize risky behavior, you get more of it. Let me illustrate with an example. Let's say I want to borrow $100,000 from you and have no job to pay you back. You aren't regulated are you? You are totally free to offer me that loan. DO YOU DO IT? Why? Now what of Uncle Sam says you ought to give me the loan and that he will make good if I default. DO YOU DO IT NOW? Think about that before you respond.

"Suffice it to say that before Gramm-Leech things had been just fine for the 70 years following the Great Depression - the last time Wall Street was allowed to bundle money for mortgages"

Funny, it was just also fine before the government forced lenders to make sub-prime loans and to relax lending criterion with promises to bear the risk for the lenders. Funny how that worked huh?

"I really don't care to take the time to explain it"

Yeah, I noticed. Keep regurgitating liberal talking points. Use good buzz words like "unregulated" and "capitalism" even though you don't understand any of this.

Victimized by poverty?

Really?

Sounds like she was victimized by Government run healthcare to me.

"Yet not a single government official has lost his job...."

I was talking Wall Street but I see you've government on the brain. Makes me think you may not be understanding this interaction very well.

But I do think many government regulators needed to lose their jobs for not having done their jobs.

I also think a number of very rich people need to be in prison. This would be the difference in your values and mine.

I also think a number of very rich people need to be in prison.

Why imprison them when we can pawn their kidneys to pay down the deficit?

"Keep digging...."

I'm sorry you lost your job, HOPEYCHANGEY. I wouldn't wish that one on anybody.

But to be consistent with what seems to be your principles, I know you won't utilize unemployment insurance.

Further, you won't utilize government retraining programs. Or government job banks. Or compete for government contracts to be re-employed; or work for any companies that might do so.

Good luck to you.

"Risk is the best regulation of all...."

Interesting statement. Frankly, though, I think this just puts the rest of us at the mercy of capitalists suffering one or more untreated mental health disorders.

Risk is the best regulation of all...."

Interesting statement. Frankly, though, I think this just puts the rest of us at the mercy of capitalists suffering one or more untreated mental health disorders.

Zed has a point but takes it too far. The level of risk in an investment is a powerful regulatory force if it is honestly presented to all parties.

Say my company makes a lot of money by insuring other companies' investments. I tell you that I will charge you X to insure your mortgage-based securities. If they decline in value, I pay the difference so you break even. What you don't know is that I have made similar agreements with dozens of other companies and I don't have the assets to pay more than a few of you if your investments end up going to shit. What I don't know is that the investments that I am insuring are hordes of high-interest loans given to people who do not have means to repay them.

These contracts are entirely unregulated, so neither party is fully aware of the risks of the agreement. I highly doubt that we would be facing the problems we are today if regulations mandated transparency in these sorts of contracts. The situation is a far more complicated, though, since the government encouraged these sort of reckless, fraud-prone investment strategies with its approach to market deregulation. The conservatives are generally correct in their belief that free markets are self-regulating. Somewhere along the line, though, they forgot that the lassiez-faire mentality provides no incentive for honesty. The government must ensure that free markets are also fair markets.

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