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I grew up in a fundamentalist missionary family that in the 1970s and 80s morphed into my father's activity as one of the founders of the Religious Right. We would hobnob with Republican leaders from Ronald Reagan to Gerald Ford and the Bush family, Jack Kemp and many others. One day it dawned on me that the far right of the Republican Party --- in other words its base --- actually hates America.

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The idiots in the republican party have lost their way. Now the conservatives realize that it is the Dems who are standing for what America was meant to be. Repubs had better get rid of the kooky tea baggers if they ever want to regain the average American.

#1 | Posted by jackass

America was never meant to be a socialist country.

Nice try, thanks fro playing.

What a stupid article. Hope he got paid.

The free-market and individual enterprise were strictly curtailed based on not just the needs of the community but, when it came to things like banking and lending, the Old Testament teachings that frowned on "usury" --- in other words banks making more money than they should from ordinary people-- were upheld.

President Obama is a conservative.
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Uh huh. I wonder if it bothers him, that Obama just kited a trillion four to send to Goldman Sachs, AIG, and Citigroup?

Probably not. Ironic, though, to see those two sentences in a row like that.

Party on, former-con-now-lib. Goldman needs you to keep being stupid, so they can pay another round of bonuses.

Repubs had better get rid of the kooky tea baggers if they ever want to regain the average American.

#1 | Posted by jackass

hmm, ya always seemed like a jackass . . now you are concerned how best the Repubs regain their power??

Ok don't get rid of the tea baggers, become the party of 20%.

Why is this a stupid article? I thought he made some good points. (Not that I can agree that Obama is a conservative, but he's certainly not the socialist commie pinko Nazi Kenyan born secret Muslim that so many here want him to be.)

And my father, a lifelong Republican, would largely agree with this writer. (Yes, my father, a very smart and well-informed man, is part of my barometer for reasonable conservatism/Republicanism. And no, I'm not 12 years old. He indoctrinated me then; I grew up and learned to think for myself. : ) ) Dad has been saying for years that his party abandoned him a long time ago (though he did vote for Reagan twice and GWB once).

It wasn't a stupid article.

RIR is one of the idiot sheeple who still touches himself to his Duuuhhhbya wearing a flightsuit poster.

He's stupid because he pretends that Obama believes in the things he does. No conservative could support bailing out Wall Street, using money borrowed from Main. But Obama did, along with all the other "progressives". The author rails about usury and banks, then throws his support to a guy who ran up $4 trillion in US government guarantees to keep those banks in business.

Even John Lennon might be surprised to hear that his silly "brotherhood of man" Imagine song should be used to justify bailing out Goldman Sachs. No, this author is just a tool, just one of many.

Jerry loved the article, though. And that's who it was written to. People who are able to read a sentence and realize they're not clever enough to have done it themselves, but can't think critically enough to see it's just a fluff piece.

You know--liberals.

Hey, Right, thanks, but you didn't answer my question. First you said the article was stupid, and I asked you what about the article was stupid. You answered that the writer is stupid. Wasn't my question.

And you're going to one specific issue--the bailouts--when you should be looking at the author's overall points. Central, to me at least, was the idea of corporation over common good, individualism as perpetrated by modern conservatives over good of the nation. Did I misread, or are you deliberately ignoring those points? (I agree that the bailouts were wrong-headed, but of course, they didn't start under this allegedly liberal president, and the argument is that they saved the economy. They saved capitalist ventures. Did the gov't take over banks? Not to my knowledge. I may be wrong, but the only stock buyout that happened was of an auto company, right? GM, right?)

"Hey, Right, thanks, but you didn't answer my question. First you said the article was stupid, and I asked you what about the article was stupid. You answered that the writer is stupid. "

That kind of idiotic response was good enough to get him through Bumfuck Junior College, so why stop now?


Jerry loved the article, though. And that's who it was written to. People who are able to read a sentence and realize they're not clever enough to have done it themselves, but can't think critically enough to see it's just a fluff piece.


You know--liberals.

#10 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-07 11:01 AM
That would be one more sentence than you read, drone.

Yes, Prag, you are wrong. Stock buyouts also happened at Citi, AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, just to name the first few that popped into my head.

Conservatives believe in individual rights, not "community rights". It's liberals lately who are saying that it's okay for a town to condemn property so that a developer can build condos. It's liberals who say that if a company fails, the taxpayers need to be on the hook for the money.

The author pretends to prefer individual choices and decisions. But the progressives he's lining up with now are saying that it will be illegal to decide to self-insure for health, for example.

But whatever. Just another guy who got the chills running up his leg during an Obama speech, and now feels the need to justify pulling the lever for the party of big bailouts. CIT declared bankruptcy last weekend; they were the primary vendor to millions of small- and medium-sized businesses. Unfortunately, small biz owners tend to be conservatives. No bailouts for them. Goldman needs bonuses, just in time for Christmas.

That would be one more sentence than you read, drone.

#13 | Posted by jerrytarkanian
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Someday maybe dumbasses like you will realize how badly you've been played. I work in financial services, and always resented the influence the big Wall Street banks had in Washington.

Doesn't bother you, though. Ever since Goldman and Citi started big campaigns to re-elect Democrats, you're cool with trillions of dollars headed to most badly run firms in the world.

Hope you didn't need the money. Gobama!

"No conservative could support bailing out Wall Street, using money borrowed from Main."

Oh yes some conservatives would have supported that because they, as conservatives, would never have supported the irresponsible creation of the national debt and unregulated banking that led to the crisis. Conservatism does not require such ideological purity in a time of crisis, only ideologues who value philosophical purity over the welfare of a nation would be so willing to risk the lives of millions. Those folks' are generally so egotistical that they don't doubt they are right even though everything they've preached about economics for thirty years has now been thoroughly discredited.

"I work in financial services, and always resented the influence the big Wall Street banks had in Washington."

But are you willing to support federally funded election campaigns, breaking up of the monopolies that own the media and forcing more fair access to the airwaves which the people own as a requirement for having a license to broadcast???

No conservative could support bailing out Wall Street

A stockbroker raging against keeping the Wall Street crap game running.

Now I've seen everything.

America was never meant to be a socialist country.

Nice try, thanks fro playing.

#2 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-11-07 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

What do you think the UNITED stands for in the UNITED States of America? Just the military? Is America only to be UNITED when it comes to war? Do you think the Health Care plan is a socialist plan? Are you that dim? Are you that easily brainwashed by the rightist media? There is very little socialism in America, and what there is, is good for the country. Which socialist programs would yu like to eliminate?

But are you willing to support federally funded election campaigns, breaking up of the monopolies that own the media and forcing more fair access to the airwaves which the people own as a requirement for having a license to broadcast???

#17 | Posted by danni
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I don't support federal funding of almost anything. If you want fair access to the airwaves, get a license like everyone else.

Give me a break on Wall Street, please. If Bush and the Republicans in Congress had pushed it through, you would be taking to the streets. But because it was Bush and the Democrats, you don't know what to think.

$1,400,000,000, plus another $4 trillion in government guarantees of crappy paper. Instead of asking how many teachers can be hired for the cost of one aircraft carrier, maybe you should ask Obama how many job could have been created with $4 trillion.

But you don't. Tools. And you say we're the drones?

Gobama! Water-walkin', Wall-Street savin', healthcare providin' savior of us all. Especially Wall Streeters and hedge fund managers.

A stockbroker raging against keeping the Wall Street crap game running.

Now I've seen everything.

#18 | Posted by silver_ironist
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I'm not a stockbroker.

No, you should have said that you've "seen everything" when the Democratic Party decided that Wall Street should have $4 trillion in taxpayer dollars.

But you didn't. You sat by, quietly, and didn't say a word. They couldn't have done it without you.

The only way to break up the monopolies that own the media is simply don't listen to them. Really easy. Who is going to buy advertising on a program nobody watches?

The public needs to ostracize these people, not rely on our nanny state to shield our eyes and ears from the evil corporate.

It is government regulation that cut off independent broadcasters and centralized it into the hands of a few in the first place.

"Yes, Prag, you are wrong. Stock buyouts also happened at Citi, AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, just to name the first few that popped into my head."

Thanks for pointing out my wrongness. : )~ I don't have time to look up the facts right now.

"Conservatives believe in individual rights, not "community rights"."

I didn't say a damned thing about community rights. I said common good. Conservatives used to give a shit about people other than themselves, or so I hear.

"It's liberals who say that if a company fails, the taxpayers need to be on the hook for the money."

George Bush and hundreds of Republican legislators are liberals? I guess that's a surprise for them.

I believe capitalism dictates we let 'em fail. Bad businesses should go out of business. But, hm, how did we reach the "too big to fail" situation? (Hint: one-word answer. Starts with "der.")

"The author pretends to prefer individual choices and decisions. But the progressives he's lining up with now are saying that it will be illegal to decide to self-insure for health, for example. "

I heard that they have to _be insured_. But I haven't read the bill. Have you?

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"I don't support federal funding of almost anything. If you want fair access to the airwaves, get a license like everyone else. "

Well, there you go. He answered that question neatly. If you have enough money, you can have whatever you want. Monopolies rule!

Oh, I'm soooorry, RIR. Was I putting words in your mouth? You'd never do anything like that, would you?


It occurs to me that rrr (rir) is the sound a car makes when it can't quite start.

With a slight fix, Wurster is correct:

"It is government DEregulation that cut off independent broadcasters and centralized it into the hands of a few in the first place."

Track the history of FCC regs and compare it to the rise of the media oligolopoly.

"It is government regulation that cut off independent broadcasters and centralized it into the hands of a few in the first place."

Riiight and anti-trust laws created monopolies.
Well, it must be true because we have anti-trust laws and we also have monopolies.
OH yeah, you have to enforce the anti-trust laws in order for them to work.
Oh yeah, the same with immigration laws.

"One Big Happy Channel?

By Eric Boehlert, Salon. Posted July 10, 2001.


The Telecommunications Reform Act paved the way for just two companies, Clear Channel and Infinity, to dominate the nation's commercial radio stations. Will TV be next?"

www.alternet.org

"I don't support federal funding of almost anything. If you want fair access to the airwaves, get a license like everyone else."

But you pretend to resent the influence WAll Street (corporate America) has in Washington. Hell, if you let them buy all the media, buy all the politicians then what do you expect????

Conservatism hasn't changed. This guy did. Forgive me for not celebrating.

You libbies carry on. You don't need us.

And Wurster is right. The media oligopoly is broke across the board, and Washington is now considering a bailout of THEM.
Those "progressives" again. "Too big to fail", and all that. Gobama!

"Conservatism hasn't changed. This guy did. Forgive me for not celebrating."

One day, perhaps you can meet my father, who is 68 years old and remembers a _very_ different Republican party from the one we have now--and a very different brand of conservatism than is practiced today.

"You libbies carry on. You don't need us."

My snarky self say, "You're right; so go away." My serious self says, "Yes, we do. We need all citizens to have reasonable conversations and come to consensus on important issues and reach compromises on others. That's what government and civic engagement should mean."

"And Wurster is right. The media oligopoly is broke across the board, and Washington is now considering a bailout of THEM.
Those "progressives" again. "Too big to fail", and all that. Gobama!"

Link, please. And Wurster is wrong on regulation--see my and Danni's posts.

"Conservatism hasn't changed."

BAloney. Ronnie RAygun was the darling of Conservatives and he ran up 3 trillion in debt. Sorry, no conservative prior to him would have ever supported that. The conservatives elected since used him as their model. Conservatism changed when it switched from being small government, fiscally responsible to just an expression of the power of the military industrial complex. REagan's build up of the military was anything but conservative yet he still stood for conservatism. Yet, he still does.
I still hear them saying they want another good, Reagan conservative.

I would suggest that conservatism has changed even since Ronnie's days. I agree with Danni about the military-industrial (Eisenhower is rolling in his grave), but I think the Republican party and the conservatives who vote with it have become even darker, angrier, and more negative since the 80s. But my father points out to me that it started long before then. He cites the late 60s, I think. I'll have to ask him again about that.

jack,

Did you check your last unfortunately brainless posting results? You attempted to show up 'Conservatives' with Boehner's error, but actually exposed even worse your own ignorance on the Constitution and Declaration.

Drudge

I cut and pasted that article. He did get them confused. Stop trying to cover up a rethugs mistake.

#33 jack
I cut and pasted that article. He did get them confused. Stop trying to cover up a rethugs mistake.


LOL

Nobody on the right hates the government. We simply oppose liberals and the clusterfuck they are trying to create out of the federal government.

Liberals want to control every aspect of our lives and they use the every nasty means possible. If they can't pass a law they go to court looking for liberal activist judges to rule on existing law and implement a solution where no legislator has voted on that solution.

The California farmers plight this summer is a perfect example. Liberals went to court to fight over a teeny tiny fish and got a judge to block the use of water by farmers thus causing massive unemployment in the region. Crops failed due to a lack of water to grow them. Now certain food cost have risen due to this. But hey, the little fish still get eaten by the bigger fish.


Thanks liberals for all the shit you have caused with this and a million other things. Don't worry you can lather it all up with catch phrases like "progressive" or "open minded" or "social justice". In the end your just a bunch of leftwing schoolyard nazi's who want to make others lives miserable because your weenies are small.

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