My God you're an idiot.
Unbelievably gullible.
#7 | Posted by jpw at 2009-11-07 01:12 AM

Of all of our educated people you need to show more patience and encourage debate. Some people profess blindness to many horrific things, but I would rather consider all probabilities.

So, read the following excerpt and tell me what is wrong with it:

.. The resulting vaccination map would allow swift intervention in neighborhoods left vulnerable to the fast-moving respiratory illness.

The trial starts this afternoon, when several hundred people are expected to queue up for immunizations at the headquarters of the Boston Public Health Commission. Each of them will get a bracelet printed with a unique identifier code. Information about the vaccine's recipients, and the shot, will be entered into handheld devices similar to those used by delivery truck drivers.

Infectious disease specialists in Boston and elsewhere predicted that the registry approach could prove even more useful if something more sinister strikes: a bioterrorism attack or the long-feared arrival of a global flu epidemic. In such crises, the registry could be used to track who received a special vaccine or antidote to a deadly germ.

"Anything you can do to better pinpoint who's vaccinated and who's not, that's absolutely vital," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy at the University of Minnesota. "I wish more cities were doing this kind of thing."

Boston is believed to be the first city to embrace this particular approach to tracking vaccinations against the seasonal flu, estimated to kill 36,000 people each year in the United States, principally the elderly.

But when Boston bought the monitoring system from a Milwaukee company in 2006, emergency authorities had a far different use in mind: tracking people injured in big fires, plane crashes, or other disasters.

"When there's a large catastrophic event, people end up in a variety of healthcare facilities," said Dr. Anita Barry, Boston's director of communicable disease control. "Of course, their family members and loved ones are trying to find out where they are and how they're doing."

To see how well the system would work, emergency crews tested it at the Boston Marathon and the Fourth of July extravaganza on the Esplanade. The trial proved successful.

"If we can make it work in the Boston Marathon medical tent, then you have to think about making it so that it can work in other environments as well - whether it's a community clinic or a doctor's office or a flu shot clinic," said Rich Serino, chief of Boston Emergency Medical Services. Thus, the idea to use the registry as a flu vaccine tracker was born. ..

jpw - please find the CDC data showing how many people die from pneumonia each year in the United States. I'm guessing the number is around 34,000?

"#10 redlight
So, read the following excerpt and tell me what is wrong with it"

Let's be clear. Are you challenging the pharma pushers to justify the draconian readiness planning echoed by multiple inside sources and confirmed by the international swine flu conference that all have no correlation to each other based on a few excerpts you cut out of it?
I want to be sure I'm understanding your position first.
#13 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-11-07 04:03 PM

How does the CDC come to the conclusion that 36,000 United States citizens die every year from influenza? They word it slightly differently - "seasonal flu-related causes", which means that influenza may or may not be part of the equation. Divided into the correct categories - 2,000 die from influenza, 34,000 from pneumonia.

So, if the data is skewed, the vaccines questionable, the threat misdiagnosed, then the real purpose for the tracking is most certainly a classified national security secret.

"They word it slightly differently - "seasonal flu-related causes", which means that influenza may or may not be part of the equation."

They word it that way because it's not cut and dried. Influenza infections can increase susceptibility to all sorts of things that may kill you, hence the designation as "influenza-related" causes.
It's just like HIV. HIV itself doesn't actually kill you, it's the assortment of opportunistic infections that you get BECAUSE you have HIV that kills you. It's a grey area that can be caused by a complex series of events.
As is usual for conspiracy theorists, Contrarian takes something that has a kernel of truth and is based on actual facts, but spins it into this twisted web of government deceit and lies without any real evidence to suggest it's true. In this case he posts an article that claims two inside sources. I question two anonymous "insiders" who are basing their credibility in the matter on their word alone. Sorry, but that's not going to cut it with me.
#15 | Posted by jpw at 2009-11-07 07:08 PM

Either they are infected with influenza or they are not. That seems cut and dry to me. Why the highly improbable death toll attributed to influenza? Misdiagnosis or purposeful 18x skewing? I'd assume that medical practitioners would also be able to determine the strain, but again, if they misdiagnose the initial symptoms, the virus and the prognosis..

So, if the 2000 actual influenza deaths is off by a factor of 18 they still find meaning in the tracking of those inoculated - just not the factual relationship between the infected, the inoculated and those who die. Suspicious rationale to spend billions yearly on vaccines which we they don't prepare enough of anyhow. If we made our own local immunizations we'd cover the less mutated strains earlier, but what the hell do I know. China makes these vaccines cheaper and "better" according to WHO and CDC acquisitions.

In my experience conspiracy theories usually have some basis in reality, from the Warren Commission to Israeli bioweapons to UFO sightings. The WHO, AMA and the CDC are no exceptions, and in fact would need to be much more insidious at hiding their malfeasance.