"The fall of the B Wall was an enormous defeat for Obama and the rest of the world's Socialists. "

Indicates: 'Never been to Germany'

Obama was attending Harvard Law School (and President of the Harvard Law Review) when the wall fell.... Bush was drunk in Texas. What's your point?

"Obama is demonstrably a Socialist...."

Oh, is that a fact? I call it 'your opinion'.

Germans are very happy with their 'socialist' system. They'll tell you that to your face if you ever go there.

"People from the West had no interest in traveling to the Socialist/Communist controlled East"

That's absolutely untrue. West Germans could freely travel to East Germany through Checkpoint Charlie. It was fear of the Stasi arresting them and/or not letting them leave to come back that nixed most of that travel West to East. The Wall was built to keep East Berliners IN, not West Berliners OUT.

Making some ludicrous comparison of East Germany to Obama doesn't serve whatever your agenda is.

"We've never had such a blatantly un-American "president" in our history."

A half black son born during segregation who graduated Magna Cum Laude from an Ivy League school, became the first minority president of the Harvard Law Review, a Senator, and now President of the United States.

He'd have no reason to think this is a great country (snark).

"He's the inevitable consequence of a society and culture that has reached a particular stage of rot."

A stage of rot where an inept idiot like George W Bush is elected for a 2nd term by voters with the holes of Swiss Cheese for brains.

"I'll take 20 years of George W. Bush's leadership over one year of Chocolate Carter's."

20 years of George W Bush's 'leadership' and we'd all have been speaking Chinese and wearing Mao jackets. As it is he piled on enough debt for the Chinese to be very happy with his decidership. Bin Laden is a happy man because of W too. W did exactly what Bin Laden wanted him to.

"This piece of shit is doing profound damage to the country." - Jak

Specifically what?

Jak

Here's your beloved President, George W Bush going ahead with a photo op with 1st graders after knowing the first plane hit on 9/11, then sitting silently for what seems like forever while knowing without a doubt America was under attack:

"By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt" - Jak

Facts are Clinton added only %500 Billion to the national debt. The other $12 Billion is Reagan (3 Trillion), Bush 41 (1 Trillion), and George W Bush (7 Trillion). Disappointing to hear, I know.

"...but business in this country is in a holding pattern." - Jak

Duh. That's what happens when we're in a deep recession like George W Bush and the GOP created for us. It took W 2 years to even admit we were in a recession. Maybe Dick "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney wouldn't let him.

"Its amazing how people like yourself take it upon yourself to defend this ridiculous excuse for a president, but can't seem to last a minute or two without defaulting to something you think Bush did at some point." - Jak

Well, someone here said they disdained "Chocolate Carter" because of massive debt.

Excuse me for pointing out THAT massive debt was the creation of Republican presidents, mostly George W Bush - even when it could have been paid off THIS year. Republicans couldn't wait to spend surpluses and then borrow us into the 23rd Century to boot.

By the way, it's $260 Billion last year just to pay the interest on the national debt. Nice going George W Bush and Dick "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney.

And I'll blame Bush until that debt is paid off, which could have happened by THIS year if Bush hadn't been so reckless and spent us into the next century.

Your boy royally f'd up. I know it's hopeless trying to get you to recognize reality, Jak.

Jak,

Business don't spend when we're in a recession, people don't spend. That's the way it works.

By the way, GDP was up 3.5% last (3rd) quarter, The U.S. Labor Department says new claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level in 10 months, housing sales are ticking back up. Hopefully we've seen the worst of this one. Worst one in my lifetime, and I've lived through a few as a working adult.

No.

You'll blame Bush because you're too much of a fucking sycophant to be objective about what an absurd sack of shit Obama is.

#83 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

No, I let the chips fall where they are supposed to.

Facts are we needn't have been in this mess. Thanks to George W Bush and Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney we are. What part of 'the debt could have been paid off THIS year' was hard to understand? What part of '$260 Billion in interest payments last year on the debt' (which was double what it was when W took office by then) was hard to understand?

Rising GDP, falling unemployment claims, rising home sales are the start of a recovery from a recession. Most people would be glad to see a turnaround beginning. Most people wouldn't be railing on a President who didn't put us in the mess we're in.

Whatever you say, Jak. You're entirely free to make up your own facts that have no bearing on reality if it makes you feel better. It's a free country. Later.

"When you're setting the agenda as a little unaccomplished punk with all the macro-economic acumen of a 22 year old youth hostel resident in Prague, all that goes away." - Jak

Jak, I'll to respond to that one.

Bush, business failure extraordinaire. 1000% batting average at failure That probably explains how he managed to fuck up an entire country. Now, if Bush went anywhere in Europe by 22 you might have a point, but he didn't.

I rest my case.

09/30/2009 12,867,512,445,982.43 (Bush 43's last)
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06 (Clinton's last)
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66 (Bush 41's last)
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00 (Carter's last)

"At the risk of repeating myslef, its amazing how people like yourself take it upon yourself to defend this ridiculous excuse for a president, but can't seem to last a minute or two without defaulting to something you think Bush did at some point." - Jak

Jak, when you're railing against debt accumulation as though Obama's responsible for it it's not a deflection to examine the facts as they exist and set the record straight.

This recession and the financial meltdown did not happen on Obama's watch. His actions, however, are starting to show positive results, such as an annual growth in real GDP since he took office of 3.5%. That's considered pretty good. Things are starting to turn around.

The chart I posted in #95 is accurate to the penny. Bush added $7 Trillion to the national debt when it could have been paid off THIS year and SS shored up. Hardly a deflection when you tried to blame Obama for our debt. That's what happens in a mature 'debate'. You make a claim and I refute it with facts, which I did. To the penny.

Crispee

It came up during when I asked Jak how Obama is 'destroying this country':

Specifically what? - Timex

By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt while simultaneously cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth.

#69 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

By the way, added to a recession is the financial meltdown that has eliminated avenues of credit businesses have historically relied on to survive during a recession, and build with during good times. That's a double whammy.

"...while simultaneously cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth."

#69 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Taxes haven't gone up. In fact, tax credits have been passed in recent weeks to help businesses. So, I don't know what Jak's talking about when he says "cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth'.

Credit is dry. We're in a recession. Hurts everyone - businesses and individuals alike.

Health care reform will SAVE businesses money by keeping costs down. Since it currently stands at an average cost of $12,000 per year per employee, I'd think Jak would be happy to see competition in insurance that helps businesses keep costs down.

Hard to figure out where Jak's coming from in light of the facts except that he just hates Obama's guts for some reason only Jak knows.

Jak, when you're railing against debt accumulation as though Obama's responsible for it it's not a deflection - Timex

But when you're defending an unprecedented accumulation of debt by simply referring to other instances of the same behavior, you're being a dumbass.

#102 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

I never defended debt. I showed you who accumulated it ... to the penny. You refuse to acknowledge it and continue to blame Obama for it as though he created our debt - like blaming the paramedics instead of the drunk drive who caused the wreck.

Can you not comprehend my point that we wouldn't have ANY debt if Bush hadn't blown the pooch and paid it off instead? Obama's first budget didn't begin until 38 days ago.

You and other right wingers want to conveniently forget what and whom got us into this mess to begin with.

"That's because we're only 12 months into this travesty, dumbass." - Jak

Speculation and hyperbole is so easy even a 4 year old can do it. There's some wacko group right this minute in their backwoods fortified compound doing just what you're engaging in. Most of them have the IQ of an armadillo and follow cagey schmucks who sound a lot like you do on a nightly basis, ranting and raving and sounding half out of your mind. lol

I predict you'll still have your fingers in his ears in 12 months going "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA OBAMA'S DESTROYING US!!!!" even when the economy is much more improved than it's starting to be now compared to a year ago. You can take that to the bank. It's a home run prediction. Take it to the bank.

FTFY

UPL8

That was really neat to watch live on TV, wasn't it?

You can accumulate debt so long as you generate the capital to pay it off. - Jak

Well, according to the Bush WH times were good. So, why didn't we pay off or pay down the debt?

"I showed you who accumulated it ..." - Timex

No you didn't. - Jak

Yes I did. Came from the Treasury Dept's own website. You're so intellectually incurious you've ever taken a good look at anything that might destroy your little paranoid fantasies.

You should start your own hate church, Jak. You have a real David Koresh touch. You and a few hundred dumbasses with the IQ's of rutabaga hanging on your every pronouncement, no matter how outlandish. All riled up against the "Chocolate Carter" because of dumbass reason X Y and Z. Slam dunk!

You're so intellectually incurious you've NEVER taken a good look at anything that might destroy your little paranoid fantasies (and alternate reality).

"The economy is going to improve eventually despite this silly little child in the White House, not because of anything he's done." - Jak

Oh, OK, Jak. I'd really consider going "Koresh" and starting your own hate church. You have the spiel down pat. Now all you need is a plot of land, a fortified compound, and 2-300 right wing idiots all too willing to believe what you say. Start recruiting at Teabagger's events. Ripe pickins for 'dumbasses'.

Here's a 10 minute video of your people, Jak. They are fightin' mad, although when questioned they admit they don't have a clue about the hyperbole they're babbling about. Especially check out the part about 'Czars' at about 6:30. THESE ARE YOUR PEOPLE, JAK!!

Jak

I don't sit here waiting for Jak's posts. You're a grown man with internet access. Find your own links. What icebergs have to do with debt is something that can only be known inside your David Koresh-ish head. Now, go forth and start your church. I've led you to your flock.

ok Jak. I don't want you to cry. Here's your link:

No, I don't sit here waiting for your posts, Jak. Your tune stays the same even when presented with hard facts. It's your right to live in a fantasy world of wild speculation and mine to live in the real world where facts matter.

Specifically what? (is Obama doing to 'destroy' this country) - Timex

(all Jak talks about):

Jak: "By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt..."

#69 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-07 12:15 AM

Bush did it. Never forget! Obama's budget's 38 days old. You're a meshugener

09/30/2009 12,867,512,445,982.43 (Bush 43's last)
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06 (Clinton's last)

Yav

Jak should start his own hate cult/religion. He's perfect for the role of crazed leader. For members, Jak only need fish among these equally misguided and uninformed folks who expose themselves as dumbasses who thought they knew it all too. lol: