Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

A military doctor who reportedly feared an impending war deployment is in custody as the sole suspect in a shooting rampage at the Army's Fort Hood that left 12 dead and at least 30 wounded, an Army official said Thursday night. Suspect Major Nidal Malik Hasan is alive and in stable condition, despite early reports that the gunman was among the dead.

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I have conflcting feelings about this. On the one hand, I wish this asshole was dead, but at least now he'll face justice and will have to account for the people he murdered and injured.

Islamic shooter stated:

"He said, precisely, that maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor."

according to eyewitness sources.

Can we send this slimeball to Saudi Arabia to be crucified?

I guess this guy doesn't appreciate having a fellow muslim as commnder in chief!

At least he lives to have a fatwa issued against all those in our government!

I cannot believe C*IR has stated this was not religiously motivated. Wonder how they'll spin this?

I'm glad he is alive, suicide is the cowards way out. He will have to fucking live with his guilt for a while.

let the circus freakshow begin. there are tv executives wetting themselves to broadcast the next O.J.


I'm glad he is alive, suicide is the cowards way out. He will have to fucking live with his guilt for a while.

Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-05 11:06 PM | Reply

I must disagree about suicide being a cowards way out. I do not believe in all instances it is. Sure there are times where it may apear to be cowardly but unless You can get into their mindset You shouldn't say that. Just a friendly suggestion is all.

Larry

I'm glad he is alive, suicide is the cowards way out. He will have to fucking live with his guilt for a while.

#6 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-05 11:06 PM


Whoa there, Andy. You're assuming this Muslim shooter would have feelings of guilt rather than pride for the killings he did today.

We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out, but unless he truly just "cracked up" due to his upcoming deployment to Iraq which he did not want, the killings could have been a Muslim religious/political motivation on his part in which case he would have been proud of his actions.

I have to say, this is just amazing. The news on TV has been reporting him dead all evening. Someone should have clued them in unless there was a real purpose in keeping us all in the dark.

Larry, yeah if he was having these feelings about the deployment he shouldve killed himself rather than going on a spree.

It's not always the cowards way out, if you know someone that's killed them self than I'm sorry for saying that. For murderers that end up killing themselves at the end, they are cowards because they don't want to live with guilt.

Big brother is doing his best to spin this as anything but "jihad". I saw Dr phil almost come unglued when some ex army guy suggested that this MAY be a terrorist act. All of the phonies at Cnn are throwing out harrassment as causing this poor headchopper to go insane. Next, look for the creepy lawyers to start throwing out the beloved INSANITY line. Forget it Big Brother, that creepy Maddow dude is not going to tell me what to think. And you can tell Leonardo Di'craphead to shove it

Danni, the news doesn't care about facts. They just want to grab peoples attention under the auspice of "and understand this is just a developing story so this may not be entirely true". They can say whatever they want with that as a fallback. Reporting is a disgrace.

It's not always the cowards way out, if you know someone that's killed them self than I'm sorry for saying that. For murderers that end up killing themselves at the end, they are cowards because they don't want to live with guilt.

Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-05 11:23 PM | Reply


Hey chill it's no biggie. I just am just touchy on that particular subject is all. No harm no foul. It's ALL good.

Larry

In the telephone conversation his cousin had with Shep Smith today - the cousin reiterated what "a good American he is" - over and over. Yeah, because what he did is what all "good Americans" do. ::spit::


Too bad that Muslim fuck is still alive.

#16 - careful there - we don't want a time out now, do we? Rcade is on an izlamic apologetic kick lately. Besides that, this guy is innocent in the eys of ala - he killed only infidels!

"eyes" not "eys" - oy vey!

Martha Raddatz of ABC news:

"Cryptically, ABC's senior foreign affairs correspondent, Martha Raddatz, concluded a story on reaction at Fort Hood: "As for the suspect, Nadal Hasan, as one officer's wife told me, 'I wish his name was Smith.'" So, a concern this will lead to groundless fear of Muslims?"

Because we all know how much more palatable this would be if whitey had committed this atrocity...::SPIT::

CBS and NBC fail to ID shooter as muslim:

www.outloudopinion.com

Does this kind of crap happen with other military forces (i.e the UK, French or German military forces)? Every couple of months we read about our guys shooting at our people ... something is just not right.

And what a pu$$y this guy is. If he had a problem with the military - QUIT! I am so mad that innocent people have died because a crappy doctor couldnt deal with his problems.

I put money down Tosser will start posting on how we Americans deserve this ...

Tosser and Klifferd are suspiciously silent on this issue...hmmmmmmmmmmm...

It is now clear to me why our government put those Japanese in concentration camps during WWII. It made sense at the time. I wonder what we should do now, hmmmmm.

Give them to the tolerant left?

"Troubling online postings
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades."

from this source:

www.msnbc.msn.com

"Why couldn't he have been a Christian?"

the left

Obama could run back to the ME and kiss some more Muslim ass.

Geeeeeeeeeeeez, Thom - he's sent out a blanket apology AND celebrated ramadamalingding in the w.h.!

He took 2 minutes of his telepromptered speech before saying anything about the Ft Hood killings while smoozing with some Native organization.

He thanked everyone for coming to see him--waived at the indian guy who got the Congressional Medal of Honor--from him last month....

And then mentioned the tragedy..

Over two minutes.

What leadership.

What a moron.

It should be on you tube tomorrow--if ever.

What an eternal embarrassment.

And folks think Bush was bad for the pet goat crap.

This was even worse.

Now Miss Murphy - it's too late for you to have some fatwaback and collard greens! WATCH YOUR MOUTH!

Calling this potus a "moron" is insulting to retarded and moronic people EVERYWHERE!

It is now clear to me why our government put those Japanese in concentration camps during WWII. It made sense at the time. I wonder what we should do now, hmmmmm.

Should we have interred all Catholics after Timothy McVeigh?

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Small brained assholes are letting the fear and paranoia take over.

And just who might we have to fear Dhimmy?

Should we have interred all Catholics after Timothy McVeigh?

Was McVeigh a practicing Catholic?

Did McVeigh murder the people he did in the name of Catholic dogma?

Hmmmmmmm.

Small brained leftist shitstains are letting the incandescently stupid equivocation and amazing contortions of reason take over.

Tosser .... suspiciously silent on this issue...hmmmmmmmmmmm...


That's because... hmmmmmm... I made a bet with Moder8 that I could behave like an American for one week (and he a Pakistani).

I am an American till Sunday.

Ask Moder8 why he's silent. He's yer Paki. hmmmmmmm

Hoosier paki?!?

What kind of American are you being, Tosser...I mean wannabe moder8?

Does this kind of crap happen with other military forces (i.e the UK, French or German military forces)?


No.

Just with American forces and with your Indian soldiers in places like Kashmir (commander shot dead, etc).


I put money down Tosser will start posting on how we Americans deserve this ...


Not yet, Indian.

What kind of American are you being, Tosser


50% Goatee
20% Moder8
10% you (typical disingenuous fundo, I meant)
The rest is all Redneck.

Did McVeigh murder the people he did in the name of Catholic dogma?

From what I have read this guy dreaded being deployed overseas from the news organizations.

If you have something other than wingding conspiracy theorist claims of a jihad please do share.

Until you do you should reflect on your notions of contorting rational thought.

I, as an American, fought for this great country of ours (over a parking space) so I know what the soldiers and their families might be going through.

May they find strength and peace in Jesus. Amen.

#39 - FF THAT! Thing is - I'm at least 30% redneck so you could be 30% me and be correct most of the time! Well, if you add my 30% to Goatman's 50%. All else is but nebulous grey area.

#41 - moder8 isn't a Christian - you should be cursing Yeshua if you are being him. oy.

Small brained leftist shitstains are letting the incandescently stupid equivocation and amazing contortions of reason take over.

#35 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao


Damn that gets me hot! Don't stop now babe!

--JeffJ

"whitey"? Join the human race "negro".

I'm sure there was a very good reason for this islamic gentleman to go on a shooting rampage, killing 12 and wounding over 30. They'll tell U.S. tomorrow what to think. Sure hope I am able to sleep tonight awaiting the orders of the leftist-think/speak tanks!

moder8 isn't a Christian


Oh?

Nobody told me.....


you should be cursing Yeshua if you are being him. oy.


He's Jewish???

He once swore to me he wasn't Jewish! hahahahahahahahaha.... bastard....

Jewish-Paki... I don't know how such a person would act at all. LOL

He appears to be at the very least agnostic.

He appears to be at the very least agnostic.


So is Goatee.

But I still chose a Christian persona. Easy to do.

Anyway, get Moder8 down here if you want to see a Paki mouth off.

I ain't yer man for that... not till Sunday.

I will say however, someone failed to see the signs and take action.

I understand this guy was being watched because his feelings were known?

I'm sure there was a very good reason for this islamic gentleman to go on a shooting rampage

Of course there is.

He's obviously a victim of the injustice and alienation inherent to being something other than a white Christian male in the sexist, homophobic, and bigoted culture of the U.S. military.

Where is he from actually?

His ancestry, I mean?

Is he an American who converted or is he some kind of an immigrant?

Seems to have an odd name... "malik" and "hasan" are usually Paki names, and "nidal" is Arabic... sounds like a convert who couldn't get his names right...

Tosser; He was born in the US. VA I think?

So he was an American who converted?

Oh... he's from Jordan.... at least his family is.

Not a convert.

en.wikipedia.org

"He was dealing with some harassment from his military colleagues. I don't think he's ever been disenchanted with the military. It was the harassment. He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything."
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According to Hasan's aunt, he had sought for several years to receive a discharge, due to harassment relating to his religion, Islam.
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Hasan had come to the attention of federal authorities at least six months before the attacks because of internet postings he may have made discussing suicide bombings and other threats.

from news.yahoo.com
Hasan, whose family said he was born in suburban Washington, is single with no children. He graduated from Virginia Tech, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001 and was at Walter Reed for six years for his internship, residency and a fellowship.

BBC news.bbc.co.uk says he's an American born Muslim.

His former boss was on and said that he has said several troubling statements about kill the aggressors. This was terrorism straight up. We'll patch his sorry ass up so we can kill him later after he's convicted of treason.

Treason comes with an automatic death penalty. This is going to cause the fucking ACLU to have fits of rage because muslim members of the military will be looked at harder before deployments. That's probably about the only thing we can do to make sure this does not happen again.

Too bad treason isn't carried out by a firing squadron, seems really appropriate in this case than drugs.

Lonnie

Apparently, the issue was all about the way the military was handling the war. The guy was about to get sent back to a stupid war he didn't start and didn't believe in anymore. Probably 3/4ths of the military feels that way who have been there already. He's not the first army psycho to crack. Trying to make this into a jihad issue is as stupid as the guy who started this illegal war in the first place.

BTW that "send him Saudi Arabia" comment was about as ignorant as it can get. Who the hell do you retards think sent the 911 terrorists over to do Bush's bidding in the first place?

FWIW:

Hasan, who dealt with troops returning from combat and faced his own imminent deployment, had been harassed by his military colleagues because of his "Middle Eastern ethnicity," said his cousin Nader Hasan.

"I don't think he's ever been disenchanted with the military," Nader Hasan told Fox News.

"It was the harassment.

"He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything."

Nader Hasan says his cousin did not want to be deployed to Iraq.

Also:

Hasan was born in the United States to Palestinian parents who had emigrated from a small town near Jerusalem, his cousin said.

He was raised in Virginia and attended school in Roanoke before going to Virginia Tech university, the scene of another mass shooting in April 2007.

While living in Washington DC, he attended prayers at a local Muslim community centre at least once a day, seven days a week, according to Maryland imam Faizul Khan.

Mr Khan, a former imam at the centre, told The Washington Post Hasan was "very devout," and asked him various religious questions.

"But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration... He never showed any... wish for vengeance on anybody," Mr Khan said.

A former colleague of Hasan's disagreed, saying the Army major had expressed a desire to see Muslims "fight against the aggressor".

"He said, maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor," Colonel Terry Lee told Fox News.

"At first we thought he was talking about how Muslims should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan, but apparently that wasn't the case."

All from ABC www.abc.net.au

At first we thought he was talking about how Muslims should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan


So our American military still believes we are seen as the good guys and muslims will welcome us?

Dudes... have I got news for you....

Shhhhhhhh Tosser You still have 3 days left. You are doing soooooo good. Don't fuck it up now.

Larry

Shhhhhhhh Tosser You still have 3 days left. You are doing soooooo good. Don't fuck it up now.


Don't worry.. I speak only as a concerned American.

These views have been expressed here before by us all.

In the meantime, we should keep a strict watch over who we put in the military and where they come from.

Better safe than sorry, I say.

Actually Ringmaster, I'm willing to bet you money that he did it not because he opposes the war on any liberal grounds but because he was muslim. Remember, I said it was terrorism.

Lonnie

Remember, I said it was terrorism.

No, what he did was mass murder. Just because he was a Muslim doesn't make it terrorism. Terrorism is when you kill a bunch of innocent people for religious or political gain. Bombing a church is terrorism. Bombing a city is terrorism. Bombing a train station is terrorism. Was that puke they just found in Detroit with a yard full of dead women a terrorist?

Was bush a terrorist for bombing the crap out of Baghdad? Until you figure it out you will just be another hateful person with a sick opinion with a racial tone.

Was bush a terrorist for bombing the crap out of Baghdad?

~Ringmaster

Yup, an act of state terrorism but still terrorism nonetheless.

I'm willing to bet you money that he did it not because he opposes the war on any liberal grounds but because he was muslim.

~Loonie

Well obviously he's gonna see the war from a muslim perspective and that certainly informed his stupid chooice here but the reality remains that despite the fact that his actions were unjustifiable, unforgivable and just batshiat crazy the war in Iraq is itself an unjust one and has been from the start

Ever think of that?

Be Well.

Wonder how they'll spin this?

The same way any other group of religious fruits spin it.

"He doesn't represent insert religion here. We believe in peace and love and understanding."

He will have to fucking live with his guilt for a while.

If it turns out that he said the things they're reporting he said, what makes you think he'll feel guilty?

I cannot believe C*IR has stated this was not religiously motivated. Wonder how they'll spin this?

#5 | Posted by nanc

I think that a more accurate statement is that CAIR has stated that religion does not justify this action not that the act was not religiously motivated.

so he is a muslim that was against the war, argued with soldiers, and threatened to kill them.

hmm, islam the religion of peace..


so he is a muslim that was against the war, argued with soldiers, and threatened to kill them.


hmm, islam the religion of peace..



BUT he does not speak for his religion. Or........does he?

Hey I know, let's ask CAIR. Yeah, that's the ticket

news channel surfing last nite to see who had the most disgusting and outrageous claim against the military on this, of course msnbc, a reporter from salon.com. now see it cant be blamed on his numerous lengthy deployments since there were none, no he has ptsd from treating soldiers with ptsd, i kid you not that is the salon.com reporters take on it. amazing.

He's still alive.
Waterboard him.

Find out what he knows

Rep. Sue Myrick (R-N.C.) continued to accuse a Muslim advocacy group of attempting to place interns on key national security committees to sway policy in its favor, a day after the group's spokesman received a death threat.

Asked for her opinion on CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper receiving a death threat after the accusations she made on Wednesday, Myrick's office reiterated her calls for Congress to stop dealing with the group.


"Why would anyone allow a group, who the FBI says is tied to terrorism, to influence national security policy, or any policy for that matter?" she said in a statement. "If the FBI has cut ties with CAIR, Congress should wake up and do the same."


thehill.com

I think that a more accurate statement is that CAIR has stated that religion does not justify this action not that the act was not religiously motivated.

#69 | Posted by Cowboy at 2009-11-06 07:27 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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This is a much more accurate interpretation of what they said.

However, much like the police acted "Stupidly" their assertion was made without any facts to back it up, and difficult to accept on its face.

I think that a more accurate statement is that CAIR has stated that religion does not justify this action not that the act was not religiously motivated.

MMMM Hmmmm

Yeah

I guess that this piece of shit yelling ALLAHU AKBAR ( God is great) while shooting has no significance that CAIR want to acknowledge.


Wake up, drudge reotort retards.

As far as I can determine by reading multiple sources the shooter did

1. accuse the US of being an aggressor against Iraq and Afghanistan,
2. refuse to be deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan,
3. act as an aggressor against the United States and it's military personnel, and
4. murder multiple US citizens on US soil in retaliation.

In my book...whether one of a group or acting alone, Nidal Malik Hasan is a terrorist.

If Bush was still POTUS, I would at least have the comfort of knowing Hasan was en route to Syria for some severe torture before being shipped back to the States to be executed in front of the whole country.

I'm sure the libs will give him three hots and a cot for the rest of his life.

allahu akbar!

I hope they do Wurster.

The death penalty (and abortion) are both wrong in my book.

Killing because they killed doesn't make sense to a 3rd grader. it shouldn't make sense to a caring adult.

C*IR will probably find a way to have this guy represented to the hilt.

....a flesh eating MRSA descending upon the Major's epidermis would be nice. That; and lots of untreated pain would warm my heart. But that's just the way I am; others may feel differently.

And a doctor of all the professions he could have been. Doctors are supposed to preserve life and this guy did his damn best to kill as many people as he could. Unbelievable. And because he feared deployment? He would have been in almost no danger at all. In all likely hood he would have been way behind any front line busy patching up the guys who were on the front line. What a fucking coward. He didn't even take his own life. Even more of a coward.

He was a shrink, Everlong - not exactly an effective profession in the military - otherwise would there be so many soldiers with PTSD?

This was a cold and calculated mass killing - he had to have prepared beforehand:

1. He was giving away personal belongings to his neighbors
2. He was handing out korans to neighbors
3. He used two nine mm's and had to reload at least once

I don't care what his relatives say - he was NOT a good American.

Thanks, Nanc, I didn't read the article, obviously. Wow. Handing out Korans and shit. I don't care what anyone says, this guy was playing for the other team. In my opinion this is the first terrorist attack on our soil during Obama's administration. I know I don't know the whole story but I would bet on it.

The left is still desirous of talking about Bush reading for six minutes after the 9/11 attacks...

p.s. - His handing out korans yesterday morning was reported to FOX news by one of his neighbors.


Remember, I said it was terrorism.


No, what he did was mass murder. Just because he was a Muslim doesn't make it terrorism. Terrorism is when you kill a bunch of innocent people for religious or political gain. Bombing a church is terrorism. Bombing a city is terrorism. Bombing a train station is terrorism. Was that puke they just found in Detroit with a yard full of dead women a terrorist?


Was bush a terrorist for bombing the crap out of Baghdad? Until you figure it out you will just be another hateful person with a sick opinion with a racial tone.

#66 | Posted by RingMaster
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Obviously, you haven't heard the interview with Colonel Lee who stated he made jihadist type statements. If you make terrorist type statements + go on a shooting rampage that ='s terrorism. You can spin it however you want if you like to lie to yourself to justify your opinion but that don't make you right.

Lonnie

~Loonie


Well obviously he's gonna see the war from a muslim perspective and that certainly informed his stupid chooice here but the reality remains that despite the fact that his actions were unjustifiable, unforgivable and just batshiat crazy the war in Iraq is itself an unjust one and has been from the start


Ever think of that?


Be Well.

#67 | Posted by dethspud
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Dud Spud,

Actually you can say it's unjust all you want to. Legally that does not make it so. The dirty little secret you forget is that the democrats in congress voted for it. Legally a soldier cannot say I refuse to go to this war because it's unjustified. As far as a soldier goes, the president sent him and the congress voted for it.

I stand by my summarization that this is a terrorist attack because of his jihadist comments in front of Colonel Lee. Keep spinning, maybe someone new will believe you.

Lonnie


I hope they do Wurster.


The death penalty (and abortion) are both wrong in my book.


Killing because they killed doesn't make sense to a 3rd grader. it shouldn't make sense to a caring adult.

#80 | Posted by ABH
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So your a 3rd grader? It makes perfect sense. When you have a dog that starts attacking people you destroy it. When you have a person that commits mass murder you destroy him. Takes the repeat offender title away from them because they can't be a repeat offender and dead at the same time.

Lonnie

However, this man is guilty of treason and 12 counts of murder and will face the death penalty. What baffles me is how can such a intelligent person be so fucking stupid? If he wanted out, all he had to do is tell the military he was gay and they would have got him out. Why go on a killing spree unless your a jihadist? This dumbass deserves the death penalty.

Lonnie

Allahu Akbar, my brothers!

This is obviously a terrorist plot.

So what, the guy was a shrink, the guy was this, the guy was that.

You think a terrorist mole is going to ACT like a terrorist mole????

My fear is that there are more of these moles at military bases and they will carry out their part in this plot soon.

I suppose there IS the option of rounding up all muslim servicemen of middleastern origin and executing them.

While this sounds attractive and effective, I suppose there could be a problem b/c there MAY be some innocents killed.

It's a tough call.

So your a 3rd grader? It makes perfect sense. When you have a dog that starts attacking people you destroy it. When you have a person that commits mass murder you destroy him. Takes the repeat offender title away from them because they can't be a repeat offender and dead at the same time.

Lonnie

#90 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-11-06 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yeah that makes sense. Killing is wrong so lets kill him. I would rather pay the money for locking him away and throwing away the key.

Though I am laso for removing all television programs, prison law libraries, and letting them live on bare sustenance for that entire time. A few books, and endless time to refelct on the lives they stole.

I am not a vindictive ass like you.

"So your(sic) a 3rd grader?"

LOL!

I am not a vindictive ass like you.

#93 | Posted by ABH at 2009-11-06 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag

just an ass, huh?

Obviously, you haven't heard the interview with Colonel Lee who stated he made jihadist type statements. You can spin it however you want if you like to lie to yourself to justify your opinion but that don't make you right.

You and Colonel Lee and Fox news can spin it anyway you want, but a American who served in the military for 6 years listening to the war stories of soldiers with PTSD and who was himself no doubt the subject of great ridicule from these same soldiers and his fellow soldiers because of his race and religion is not a sleeper cell waiting for the day he can wage holy war on his own countrymen.

He was a victim of the military just the same as a soldier who gets shot in battle and he is not the first or the most notorious guy in the military that flipped out under the pressure. It comes with the territory. I doubt he would have ever done this had he pursued a career in a civilian hospital.

All you have to do is listen to the comments of the ex military guys here to understand the pressure he was subjected too. The military and the press is as responsible as Hasan was for this disaster.

just an ass, huh?

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Won't ever deny that. I especially enjoy being an ass to those that deserve it.

You and Colonel Lee and Fox news can spin it anyway you want, but a American who served in the military for 6 years listening to the war stories of soldiers with PTSD and who was himself no doubt the subject of great ridicule from these same soldiers and his fellow soldiers because of his race and religion is not a sleeper cell waiting for the day he can wage holy war on his own countrymen.


He was a victim of the military just the same as a soldier who gets shot in battle and he is not the first or the most notorious guy in the military that flipped out under the pressure. It comes with the territory. I doubt he would have ever done this had he pursued a career in a civilian hospital.


All you have to do is listen to the comments of the ex military guys here to understand the pressure he was subjected too. The military and the press is as responsible as Hasan was for this disaster.

#96 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-11-06 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Wow! what has it been? 24 hours? great jon ringmaster! Way to wait for the facts to come in before passing judegment.

#96 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-11-06 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can you please explain how millions of other soldiers go through similar stress and do not go on a shooting spree shouting allahu akbar?


Yeah, I heard Col Lee. He seemed eager to express his opinions on why this dirty Muslim did what he did.

Uh-huh.


After which elcid will explain why millions of other ebil gubmint haters don't go out and blow up Federal buildings with Thomas Jefferson quotes on their t-shirt.

With this follower of the "peaceful religion of islam" face a military court or a civilian court?

All you have to do is listen to the comments of the ex military guys here to understand the pressure he was subjected too. The military and the press is as responsible as Hasan was for this disaster.

#96 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-11-06 01:06 PM | Reply

The post #96 is from a God Damned fool.

After which elcid will explain why millions of other ebil gubmint haters don't go out and blow up Federal buildings with Thomas Jefferson quotes on their t-shirt.


#101 | Posted by Corky at 2009-11-06 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many people worship Thomas Jefferson again? How many people have Thomas Jefferson Quoted on a Tee shirt exactly?


Lotsa you Teabaggers, apparently.

I feel sorry for the US Troops who were killed and wounded. My Granddaughter's boyfriend was only a week or two away from going to Ft. Hood. Luck he didn't join sooner.

Now what will The Messiah say about his "perfect record" of no terrorist attacks on America since he took office? Didn't even take a year to lose that title.

Keep up the good work there barry....
Change YOU can believe in, of course he never mentioned that it would be change for the WORSE!

#106 | Posted by TheShyGuy at 2009-11-06 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Poor Baby! Flag.... the Army lied to him and told him it wasn't a terror attack. Poor Baby!

All you have to do is listen to the comments of the ex military guys here to understand the pressure he was subjected too. The military and the press is as responsible as Hasan was for this disaster.

#96 | Posted by RingMaster
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Well I spent 20 years in the military so I'm supposed to talk to others? Ohh he was a victim, I see. The only bullets in his carcass was the ones the first responders put in it after he'd already done his damage but you want me to believe he was a victim.

Hell maybe I should have gone on a shooting spree. I mean you realize how much shit I took cause my last name is walker? Around 84-85 there was a guy who stole US secrets and gave them to the Russians...His last name was Walker. I laughed it off and joked about it. He could have done the same thing. Obviously, I'm 100 X's the man he'll ever be.

This changes absolutely nothing. Your willing to paint this piece of shit as a victim, he clearly was not. Obviously, these people were right about him. He was a terrorist scumbag and he'll die squeeling like a little b*tch. I'm sure we'll see you at his execution, you'll be the one out there with a sign stating how we shouldn't impose the death penalty on him when he clearly deserves it.

Lonnie

Theshyguy can rest easy knowing that his boy McCain's body count on the Forrestal makes Hasan's look paltry by comparison.

#109 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-11-06 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag: ooooh! Nice one!


Theshyguy can rest easy knowing that his boy McCain's body count on the Forrestal makes Hasan's look paltry by comparison.

#109 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-11-06 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, because we know that those deaths were caused on purpose and with malice. Tool.

#23 | POSTED BY FWTHOM AT 2009-11-05 11:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

FWTHOM - Muslims are no more collectively guilty for Hasan's crime than the soldiers who were killed by Hasan are guilty of killing regular people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You're pissing your pants a little right now. You probably scowl at women wearing headscarves in the goddamn grocery store. You need to stop dancing at the ends of the strings held by extremists like Hasan and McVeigh.

Can't wait to see what they find on his p.c. - should be interesting. Apparently he had been online spewing islamic hatred of the west - one source reported - probably in one of my many links above.

Jono - but-but-but - it's open season on Christians!

::smirk::

He was probably just feeling a little disenfranchised - people do strange things when they're feeling that way...you know, like the riots in France a few years ago...

"Yes, because we know that those deaths were caused on purpose and with malice. Tool."

#111 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2009-11-06 01:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

What's the difference, ElCid? Did Jesus tell you that he approves of one act of killing and not the other?

Theshyguy can rest easy knowing that his boy McCain's body count on the Forrestal makes Hasan's look paltry by comparison.

#109 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-11-06 01:39 PM | Reply

I wonder how many he shot in the back as they ran away? Like Kerry.

What's the difference, ElCid? Did Jesus tell you that he approves of one act of killing and not the other?

#115 | Posted by JonO at 2009-11-06 02:21 PM | Reply |

No, but only a fool would not be able to tell the difference. JonO, obviously you are a fool.

#117 | POSTED BY SLICKSTERWILLY AT 2009-11-06 02:29 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Please explain.


I have conflcting feelings about this. On the one hand, I wish this asshole was dead, but at least now he'll face justice and will have to account for the people he murdered and injured.

#1 | Posted by member2586


sounds good

PROBLEM...look at how its being rported and talked about even here

oh poor thing..people made fun of him and made him do this...ohhhhhhhhhhhh

this govt and media wont call it like it is.

he is a terrorist and ON OBAMAS WATCH too.......
I mean I remember that bush sent the hurricane to NO so hey.

EVEN GERALDO...a liberal..this morning said what I thought.

it happened in texas...LEAVE HIM TO US..

we will 'rehabilitate' him where he will NEVER pull this shit again.

"I wonder how many he shot in the back as they ran away? Like Kerry."

Or like Texans.

#121 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2009-11-06 02:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Whoa there, partner.

Null, you are a idiot. First you try to paint active duty military personnel/veterans as potential terrorists now your saying all Texans shoot people in the back.

Lonnie

I wonder how many he shot in the back as they ran away? Like Kerry."


Or like Texans.

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009


so is this total lack of class..does it come naturally or do you work at it.

I know.
you have been watching reports and are pissed that its the biggest base in the world and OF COURSE its in texas.
maybe its just jealousy

#119 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2009-11-06 02:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I don't think he's a terrorist. He's an assassin. Of course, I don't know, but I don't think he cares whether we're frightened. This was a successful attempt at destroying American soldiers. End of story.

I'm mystified by the surprise and the speculation as to why this guy committed this crime. He's of Jordanian descent. He's a devout muslim. Israel, supported by the U.S., has millions of Palestinians imprisoned on a couple of thin, shrinking strips of land. Iraq is in tatters (getting better but plenty of regular people dead) and no longer a Sunni state. Afghanistan is run by corrupt, opium dealers and warlords. The U.S. military demanded that he contribute to a cause that he viewed (not without justification) as entirely immoral, and murderous. His actions were clearly despicable, but his motivations are not surprising or mysterious.

Or like Texans.

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-11-06 02:41 PM | Reply


Nulli,
Unless the Texans shoot retarded mute teenaged amputees in the back, like Kerry did, I think you're comparing apples and oranges.

"Unless the Texans shoot retarded mute teenaged amputees in the back, like Kerry did, I think you're comparing apples and oranges."

Actually it's even worse than that, Chair. Did you know those teenage amputees were sitting in wheelchairs with broken wheels at the time Kerry did them in?

I had heard that, but couldn't verify it. That's why I only report the facts. I don't want to get called on the disabled wheel part and lose any credibility around here.


I just don't get why Kerry gagged them prior to shooting them if he knew they were mutes. He's one sadistic son of a bitch, and that's all I have to say about that!

jono

as I copied from other thread

state department USED to use the following to define a terrorist attack

when its pre meditated, politially motivated violence against non combative persons..

THIS was just that....AND ON OBAMAS WATCH AS WELl...

or does this go to bush as well because if bush WERE president, there is little doubt that he would have been already accused of pulling the trigger

Hey, his fellow soldiers didn't call him KKK, short for Krazy Killer Kerry, for nothing, you know.

#129 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2009-11-06 03:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Thanks for providing the State Department's definition. I agree that Hasan fits the criteria provided. 'Politically motivated' is where I get hung up, I suppose. I think Hasan's goals were of a more basic nature. I don't currently believe he was trying to steer U.S. policy through incitement of terror. I believe, since he was a member of the U.S. military establishment, that he knew that would be impossible. I think he was acting out his anger, obtaining revenge, and satisfying his own desire to murder American soldiers. Therefore, I say he is not a terrorist but an assassin. It doesn't really matter.

"or does this go to bush as well because if bush WERE president, there is little doubt that he would have been already accused of pulling the trigger"

I'm not keeping score in this regard. Are you? I'm not sure what Obama or Bush could have done to prevent this. It seems to me it was up to Hasan and his commanding officer (Colonel Bravermon? sp?) to sort things out before it came to this.

Jono - They've been investigating him for six months or so - they knew he was a loose cannon.

OBAMAWATCH!

p.s. - for inflammatory remarks...

#132 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-11-06 04:02 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Nanc - Are you joking? If so, then please disregard. ->
I'm not sure Obama has enough time to personally keep tabs on every potential militant and ticking timebomb fruitcake out there. I suspect that the same group of field agents, using the same set of protocols, would have been tracking this guy regardless of whether Obama, Bush, or Mickey Mouse were in office.

Obviously the FBI or NSA or whatever agency is responsible needs to set the bar for intervention to a lower position for military personnel and people in other sensitive positions. If this douche, Hasan, was posting militant or extremist commentary, he should have been booted from the Army. If I was a commanding officer and I had a muslim subordinate telling me he would not contribute to the war efforts in the Mid East, I'd boot him from my unit and petition my superiors to boot him from the military. I've booted team members for less serious infractions, and I work in a much less sensitive environment than a frigging military base.

So, according to the right wing good ol' boys and the know-it-all military vets (most of whom never were in actual combat), the military is hiring and training terrorists to brainwash soldiers with PTSD. Hmmm. Sounds plausible to me.

#132 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-11-06 04:02 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Do you think, Nanc, that one of Obama's first priorities after taking office was to dig into FBI investigative procedures and loosen them up to make them more PC?

Jono - according to this article:

www.timesonline.co.uk

"He attracted the attention of police six months ago for internet postings analysing the motives of suicide bombers but was not formally investigated. Major Hasan had also complained to relatives of harassment by fellow-officers mocking him for "being Middle Eastern", according to a cousin who came forward last night."

Although they dropped the ball on NOT performing a formal investigation, imhb.

This is obama's watch no matter how you slice it - same as 9/11 was Bush' watch - As we're ever so often reminded.

I wonder if he was a sympathizer to his fellow terrorists? I imagine we'll know soon enough when the police release the information they gleaned on him.

"This is obama's watch no matter how you slice it - same as 9/11 was Bush' watch - As we're ever so often reminded" *by petty idiots who are oblivious to reality.*

Fixed that for you.

My complaints against Bush are entirely concerned with his *response* to 9/11.

The FBI, NSA, or whoever is responsible for picking these guys up and preventing them from killing inside the country continue to let us down regardless of who is in the oval office.

I guess the buck stops at the top, but one would hope that the actual agencies and their respective chains of command would clue in, do a risk analysis that takes into account the suspects' position/access (Army medical, flight school in the case of 9/11), and remove these dickheads before they hurt people. More importantly, if a muslim guy in your unit is bitching about deploying and walking around in a long white shirt, it means it's time to wake up, take notice, and get him the fuck off base.

***THIS JUST IN***

news.yahoo.com

"One neighbor, Patricia Villa, said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came over to her apartment Wednesday and Thursday and offered her some items, including a new Quran, saying he was going to be deployed on Friday."

He was an officer - and would not have had to pay a thing to have his belongings either moved or stored - why was he giving his stuff away - more specifically, why would he give his koran away?

#140 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-11-06 04:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

What? He was about to kill other people and himself. He wasn't going on summer holiday. He didn't plan on using his shit anymore. Are you firing on all cylinders today, Nanc?

I have extra cylinders...

Jono - have you ever known someone who was preparing to die? They give all their stuff away.

Oook... I just told you that.

Why were you wondering aloud to cyberspace two posts ago why Hasan was giving his shit away?

We're having a misunderstanding because you're batshit crazy.

Ringmaster, your grasp of reality in matters military are almost hysterically pitiful. You need to stick to economy and political bias, that is definately your forte...

It took a while for my liberal friend to agree with me on this issue. And, though he said Hasan tried to terrorize, he fell short of calling him a terrorist. Something about him being a lone wolf. I think he's afraid to call it muslim extremism, and I don't know why.

He's a Terrorist. Just like McVeigh was.

Don't we call him a Terrorist?

From Wiki:

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 June 11, 2001) was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal government. The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2] He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and executed on June 11, 2001.


Yup - I don't see the difference really.

Wiki? How about the rest of the story?

Federal authorities are also protecting some other very interesting "assets." Some of the most significant references in Louis Freeh's secret January 1996 FBI memo pertain to the Southern Poverty Law Center which evidently had at least one informant inside Elohim City prior to the OKC bombing.

The SPLC, led by attorney Morris Dees, has raised millions of dollars with its high-profile attacks on "hate groups," and admits to being closely intertwined with the FBI and the DOJ. The Freeh memo refers to the SPLC as one source for the information that McVeigh had called Elohim City seeking Strassmeir and that Strassmeir was planning to flee the United States.

Any reasonable reader of the FBI memo would deduce that the SPLC was smack-dab in the middle of the Elohim City rat nest around the time of the bombing. In fact, for the past decade, Mr. Dees and the SPLC have steadfastly supported the official Louis Freeh/Janet Reno line that there was no Strassmeir/Elohim City connection to the OKC bombing.

If that is true, then these references in the aforementioned FBI memo do not make sense: "Information has also been received through the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)"; "Two days prior to the OKBOMB OKBOMB Oklahoma City Bombing (FBI task force field office) attack, when [name redacted] of the SPLC, was in the white supremacist compound."

Trentadue had requested documents referencing Morris Dees and/or SPLC to Timothy McVeigh, Richard Guthrie, Andreas Strassmeir, and a number of other names associated with Elohim City. The FBI responded that their search failed to disclose any "records responsive to the Plaintiff's request." However, the FBI was caught flatfooted flatfoot.
When Trentadue produced the redacted version of the August 1996 memo, proving that FBI "records responsive to the Plaintiff's request" obviously existed.

How did the FBI defendants respond to this embarrassing revelation? FBI officials said they had never claimed that the documents don't exist, only that their "search" failed to disclose them. How had they searched? According to FBI official David Hardy, the agency had conducted a computer search of the "record indices" of its Automated Case Support (ACS (Asynchronous Communications Server) See network access server. ) system; there had been no actual search of the physical files. It was a "search" designed to fail, since the FBI intentionally holds files outside of its ACS, does not enter certain names into its record indices, or--as past cases have shown--sometimes intentionally misspells names so that a computer search will come up empty.

For the past 10 years, the FBI and Department of Justice have been insisting that Timothy McVeigh, except for some assistance from Terry Nichols, acted alone, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary; that there is/was no John Doe even though multiple credible witnesses saw McVeigh with several John Does on the day of the bombing and in the days immediately before the bombing; and that there is no connection whatsoever between Timothy McVeigh and Andreas Strassmeir, Elohim City, or the Midwest Bank Robbers.

All of those assertions were shown to be not only false but ridiculously false years ago by the weight of overwhelming evidence. Now, thanks to the perseverance of the Trentadue family, the government's own hidden documents are providing further evidence and exposing the criminality and conspiracy that have shielded those who aided the terrorists and/or covered up for them after the fact.

#147 baji

He's a Terrorist. Just like McVeigh was.

Don't we call him a Terrorist?



No Baji, we don't "call" somebody a terrorist until they are proven to be.

Nulli

What in the hell is your fixation on anything to do with Texas?

Many of your posts seem to have some thought behind them even when I disagree with you. But if Texas is brought up, frequently by you, you go absolutly nutso. It verges on mental illness.

Nulli

What in the hell is your fixation on anything to do with Texas?

Many of your posts seem to have some thought behind them even when I disagree with you. But if Texas is brought up, frequently by you, you go absolutly nutso. It verges on mental illness.

Posted by Cowboy at 2009-11-06 09:31 PM


If truth be told, it doesn't have so much to do with Nulli being against the State of Texas, per se, as it is Nulli hoping to get a rowdy reaction out of a certain Texan by the name of Goatman, who proudly hails from the Lone Star State and who is never hesitant to let Nulli know it.

It's an ongoing "California vs. Texas" thing between the two of them. Believe me, they both enjoy the battle. lol

#151 | Posted by Cowboy

I'm just having fun, so chill out. Don't take it personally, if you're from Texas. My condolences. Not everyone there is retarded. The late Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower, for example. That's 2.

" as it is Nulli hoping to get a rowdy reaction out of a certain Texan by the name of Goatman,"

#152 | Posted by CalifChris

Wrong. Goatman The Oil Rig Hunk is your obsession, not mine. Let me fix that statement for you.

" as it is Nulli hoping to get a rowdy reaction out of rightwing Texans."

ppfffttt - you don't know what you're talking about -- as usual.


What in the hell is your fixation on anything to do with Texas?

Sour grapes. He's from California. His drug addled brain can't handle too much, much like da bOoB has his handful of things he writes about. Dull's favorite topics are. His are, drugs, Texas, drugs, me, drugs, Ray, drugs.

That's really all you need to know about Dull when questioning his inane posts.

Good Ol'Boys Love Havin New ??????? to Lynch!!!

This pathetically contrived CIA/Mossad "False Flag Op" at Ft.Hood is,on the other hand stupendously,wonderful fodder for the "Frothing,Flag Waving,Lynch Mob" who fill Drudge.Com with their tortured,violence smeared ravings....still what a miracle it truly is for all you Drudge Good ol'Boys to suddenly have a new crop of "Niggrs" to persecute and lynch and Glory Glory ol'CNN is beatin the drum and leadin the pack!!!

Killers committ suicide not because they cannot live with the guilt, but because they fear the retribution and what will be done to them. And those who bleed the tears for this terrorist... I guess you would feel differently if it was you who had those bullet ripped into, or your son, or daughter.

"#157 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2009-11-07 03:06 AM"

Damn, Boy! What in hell are you smokin' or shootin' up at 3:06 in the morning? Drop the needle...put away the bong for for Pete's sake.

Whether this guy is a terrorist or you would prefer to use some other designation is almost irrelevant in comparison to what is truly the most pertinent fact of all-

Nidal Malik Hassan is a TRAITOR! He has dishonored and disgraced his country, his uniform, and the Army. Even more important than trying him for mass murder, or for terrorism, is that he should be tried for the crime he most obviously committed-TREASON!

Once he is tried, assuming he is convicted, he should be EXECUTED for the crime of betraying his country, his fellow soldiers, and fellow citizens.

And as far as I'm concerned, anybody who excuses or justifies Hassan and his crimes are themselves guilty of conduct that is at the very least bordering on sedition, regardless of all the flowery rhetoric about human rights and progressive values with which they try to cloak their treasonous conduct.

I hope this man lives. I hope he is totally concious and paralyzed from the neck down, must remain on a ventilator, is totally bedridden, unable to speak, and must be fed intravenously for the rest of his life. I wish him a long life in this condition and hope he lives for at least another 50 years.

I could be wrong but I think the reason most of the liberals here are not stating the obvious that this man is a terrorist is because if they do, they have to admit that the liberal messiah is weak on national security, which Republicans have long said all along. Their giving "THEIR" messiah cover to the very end.

If Hasan had snapped, he would have been ill prepared because a snapped person doesn't think to bring as much ammo as Hasan did. People who snap take bare minimum and it's a last minute thing. This man purchased bullets and loaded several magazines full of ammo. People who snap don't go giving their shit away because this is a last minute thought. People who snap aren't suspected of posting several pro-terrorist statements on a jihadist website 6 months prior. If you hold any of the arguments the left are making against common sense, those statements fall short. Just because he wasn't alligned with extremist muslim group does not mean he isn't an extremist. He was a lone wolf according to everyone that knew him. The argument that he acted alone cannot be disreguarded. If he'd been in contact with any extremist group, he'd have been hauled into homeland security and he knew it. Again, there are at least 6 months worth of planning right there.

Lonnie

Nidal Malik Hassan is a TRAITOR! He has dishonored and disgraced his country, his uniform, and the Army. Even more important than trying him for mass murder, or for terrorism, is that he should be tried for the crime he most obviously committed-TREASON!

No shit!

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